Extremely Stupid Baseball Questions

[GobbleDog 1,014]

No, he should not do that. The likliehood of a triple play is so minute, that it's not worth risking the 2 sure outs you'd get by interfering with the throw. But on the other hand, if you were so gung-ho about winning the WS that you'd be willing to risk your life by trying to headbutt a 90 mph fastball on it's way to second base...I can't imagine anyone would hold it against you. That would be a well deserved "team victory".

 

Ah-HA!!!!!

 

So as crazy as it is for a runner to knock the ball down with his hands or whatever part of his body - it would technically be worth it, IF the runner was certain he'd prevent a triple-play. But because it's so unlikely that they'd actually turn the triple-play, that no runner would ever risk it. Right?

 

 

I think I got it.

 

[kilroy69 1,271]

 

6-4-3 ..... that's obviously some kind of baseball code for the scenario I gave, but only guru's understand it.

In any case, answer the question dabit! In my scenario, the runner to 2nd base would actually help his team if he LITERALLY knocked the 3rd baseman's throw down with his hand because the team would only be penalized for 2 outs instead of 3!?!?!

 

Pick one:

 

YES or NO

Actually I was wrong on the designation of 643. Because of this the number jumps by 20. From 52 to 72 in the history of baseball.

 

In this case it would be a 5-4-3 triple play.

 

1 - Pitcher

2 - Catcher

3 - First Baseman

4 - Second Baseman

5 - Third Baseman

6 - Shortstop

7 - Left Fielder

8 - Center Fielder

9 - Right Fielder

 

 

 

And yes it would be to the benifit of the team if the runner could interfere with the throw in some way without getting killed.

[GobbleDog 1,014]

Resolution

 

 

[pimptastic69 0]

 

6-4-3 ..... that's obviously some kind of baseball code for the scenario I gave, but only guru's understand it.

In any case, answer the question dabit! In my scenario, the runner to 2nd base would actually help his team if he LITERALLY knocked the 3rd baseman's throw down with his hand because the team would only be penalized for 2 outs instead of 3!?!?!

 

Pick one:

 

YES or NO

 

He meant 5-4-3 (3rd basemen to 2nd basemen to 1st basemen).

 

You're talking of an extraordinary situation. Prolly a 1 in a hundred billion shot.

IF it would ever happen, the umpires would simply gather together, and come to a consensus, and that would be it.

 

Umpires are like judges, and during the WS, they become supreme court judges.

[GobbleDog 1,014]

Last question...

 

 

 

Is that "2-out rule" in the rulebook, or could the umpires technically decide to charge the team with 3 outs? Is it up to their discretion - even if we all agree that they'd never actually do it because triple-plays are so rare?

[GobbleDog 1,014]

Umpires are like judges, and during the WS, they become supreme court judges.

 

I think that answered my last question.

[kilroy69 1,271]

He meant 5-4-3 (3rd basemen to 2nd basemen to 1st basemen).

Yea for some reason I had a brain fart. Maybe its the weed. Even as I typed 6-4-3 I knew something was wrong. I guess I am so used to saying 643 for the double play.

[Me_2006 14]

This thread is awesome. God bless America.

 

 

 

and not to sound stupid since I'm a baseball kid from a baseball family, but why the hell do you have to tag up on the infield fly rule? I realize it's treated like a regular fly ball if caught, but who the hell runs on it and thus need to tag up? Why not just freeze the runners and call the play dead to prevent that from being a problem?

[nospk 230]

the infield fly rule isn't the same as a regular fly ball.

the play is called dead when the ump rules it an infield fly.

no one can tag up and advance.

are you thinking of something else besides the infield fly?

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

the infield fly rule isn't the same as a regular fly ball.

the play is called dead when the ump rules it an infield fly.

no one can tag up and advance.

are you thinking of something else besides the infield fly?

 

Interesting because the definition of "infield fly" in the MLB rulebook states:

 

An INFIELD FLY is a fair fly ball (not including a line drive nor an attempted bunt)

which can be caught by an infielder with ordinary effort, when first and second, or first,

second and third bases are occupied, before two are out. The pitcher, catcher and any

outfielder who stations himself in the infield on the play shall be considered infielders for the

purpose of this rule.

 

When it seems apparent that a batted ball will be an Infield Fly, the umpire shall

immediately declare “Infield Fly” for the benefit of the runners. If the ball is near the

baselines, the umpire shall declare “Infield Fly, if Fair.”

 

The ball is alive and runners may advance at the risk of the ball being caught, or

retouch and advance after the ball is touched, the same as on any fly ball. If the hit becomes

a foul ball, it is treated the same as any foul.

[NewbieJr 541]

Interesting because the definition of "infield fly" in the MLB rulebook states:

PatsFat is right. The ball is not dead on an infield fly. You can tagup and advance.

 

You can't be thrown out at the next base if the infileder drops it. Before the rule was put in place, infileders would let the ball hit teh ground and then throw out the runner(s) who are on base.

[Thornton Melon 651]

The Infield Fly rule is also a part of the answer to the question I posed in Post #98, which no one paid attention to

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Can a fielder be credited with an unassisted triple play without ever touching the ball? If so, how?

We did not ignore this post, we just don't know the answer.

 

Two men on base. Batters hits an infield fly...he is out. Man on first accidentally runs past the runner on second. He is out. The man on second gets hit by the ball while off base. He is out. Triple Play

[Thornton Melon 651]

We did not ignore this post, we just don't know the answer.

 

Two men on base. Batters hits an infield fly...he is out. Man on first accidentally runs past the runner on second. He is out. The man on second gets hit by the ball while off base. He is out. Triple Play

 

You used the interweb, didn't you?

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

You used the interweb, didn't you?

 

Of course. I did not want you to go on thinking that we were ignoring you.

[Thornton Melon 651]

Alright, this one is easier: What is the maximum number of hits a team can get in a 9 inning game without scoring a run?

[posty 2,844]

Alright, this one is easier: What is the maximum number of hits a team can get in a 9 inning game without scoring a run?

 

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[OD99 0]

Have they corrected that? Are all NHL rinks the same size today? Along with the nets and all that?

 

This is the only interesting thing in this thread...I can't believe that you guys don't know all the rules of baseball.

 

All NHL rinks are not the same size, but they all fit into a definded max/min. The nets are all 4' X 6'

[BMoney 0]

I still wonder why....if a pitcher gets a grounder and throws it away...and if runs later score that inning, they are considered unearned...

 

i get the reason for why its called an unearned run..as the hitting team didnt really earn it..it was given to them...but it really lets the pitcher off the hook statistically for something that was clearly HIS fault...

 

he could finish the month with an ERA under 2..but you may not realize that in 2 games, he had glaring errors that cost his team the game

[OD99 0]

I still wonder why....if a pitcher gets a grounder and throws it away...and if runs later score that inning, they are considered unearned...

 

i get the reason for why its called an unearned run..as the hitting team didnt really earn it..it was given to them...but it really lets the pitcher off the hook statistically for something that was clearly HIS fault...

 

he could finish the month with an ERA under 2..but you may not realize that in 2 games, he had glaring errors that cost his team the game

 

He does get charged with an error though so you would know he focked up a little. It would be cool to see a stat that shows unearned runs created by a pitchers errors though

[GobbleDog 1,014]

I never liked the Infield Fly Rule. It goes against the most basic principles of the game - hitting and catching. They only made it to change the weird quirk within the game. They should have just left it alone and enjoyed the hilarity.

 

 

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

I still wonder why....if a pitcher gets a grounder and throws it away...and if runs later score that inning, they are considered unearned...

 

i get the reason for why its called an unearned run..as the hitting team didnt really earn it..it was given to them...but it really lets the pitcher off the hook statistically for something that was clearly HIS fault...

 

he could finish the month with an ERA under 2..but you may not realize that in 2 games, he had glaring errors that cost his team the game

 

Now this is one thing that I agree with. I think that if the pitcher makes the error, then the runs should be earned.

[GobbleDog 1,014]

Now this is one thing that I agree with. I think that if the pitcher makes the error, then the runs should be earned.

 

This mentality defines "baseball fans" vs "sports fans who occasionally watch baseball". Stats have absolutely nothing to do with the outcome of the game, so sports fans could care less how they calculate it. Baseball fans love 'em. It's not surprising that fantasy sports started with "rotisserie" MLB.

[GobbleDog 1,014]

All NHL rinks are not the same size, but they all fit into a definded max/min. The nets are all 4' X 6'

 

I'm surprised they aren't all the same in this day and age. By now, all the old rinks have been re-built since the NHL started. They could have mandated new rinks to meet new standards. Did they, or is it still optional?

[GobbleDog 1,014]

Steinbrenner: NL responsible for Wang injury

 

Hank Steinbrenner knows where to place the blame for Chien-Ming Wang’s devastating foot injury: With the National League and its outdated rules. The Baby Boss told The Associated Press Monday that the NL needs to join the rest of professional baseball and adopt the designated hitter, pronto.

 

“My only message is simple: The National League needs to join the 21st century,” Steinbrenner said. “They need to grow up and join the 21st century. I’ve got my pitchers running the bases, and one of them gets hurt. He’s going to be out. I don’t like that, and it’s about time they address it. That was a rule from the 1800s.”

 

Actually, pitchers batted in both leagues until the DH was added to the American League lineup in 1973.

 

“This is always a concern of American League teams when their pitchers have to run the bases and they’re not used to doing it,” Steinbrenner said. “It’s not just us. It’s everybody. It probably should be a concern for National League owners, general managers and managers when their pitchers run the bases. Pitchers have enough to do without having to do that.”

 

Finally! Somebody who agrees with me that MLB rules should be the same throughout the sport. Although I'm on the opposite side of Steinbrenner - I think all pitchers should have to hit.

[nospk 230]

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Interesting because the definition of "infield fly" in the MLB rulebook states:

 

PatsFat is right. The ball is not dead on an infield fly. You can tagup and advance. really

 

You can't be thrown out at the next base if the cecilinfileder drops it.

Before the rule was put in place, infileders would let the ball hit teh ground and then throw out the runner(s) who are on base.

 

ok technically you are correct and so my bad.

If the infield fly falls to fair ground untouched, or is touched and dropped, runners need not tag up.

In either case, since the batter is out, the force play on other runners is removed.

 

the batter is always out.

 

when was the last time any pro game involved a "sacrifice" infield fly

where the runner tags up and attempts to advance on a ball ruled

"infield fly" by the ump, or in the other example, tries to advance on a little bloop pop fly

that the infielder "tricks" him into the ol' not gonna catch it, but go for the dp instead play?

[Thornton Melon 651]

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Correct. Which brings up another stupid baseball question: Why the hell should a batter be credited with a SINGLE when he hit his teammate with a batted ball? The runner is OUT, and the nearest fielder get credited with the putout, so why isn't it considered a fielder's choice? The whole purpose of declaring the runner OUT is because he interfered (intentionally or not) with a fielder's chance to make a play. Stupid rule.....One of these days, a pitcher is going to take a no hitter into the 9th, he'll walk a batter, and the next batter will hit the runner with the ball. There goes the no hitter due to a lameass rule. You watch, it'll happen, I'm tellin' ya......

[Snoopy1 0]

Steinbrenner: NL responsible for Wang injury

Finally! Somebody who agrees with me that MLB rules should be the same throughout the sport. Although I'm on the opposite side of Steinbrenner - I think all pitchers should have to hit.

 

 

Love baseball, don't care either way---even though the Brewers are in the national. IMO, there aren't enough quality pitchers now---and having quality ones getting injured is the suxor....

 

I mean if it had been Eric Gange---well that's okay-cause he sucks....but a good pitcher...