Farve released and if he signs with the Vikings...

[HeirCoryell 0]

I think he throws a nice spiral. And he's the closest runner to Randall Cunningham and Vick I've seen in this league. Really reminds me of Vick they way he runs so effortlessly. He's got a strong arm. He's young and still developing. From everything I've heard and read he picks up things quickly and is continuing to work really hard. Once he cuts down on mistakes I think he could really help the Vikings.

 

 

You must have been watching a different Tarvaris Jackson than the one I saw last season. Basically he was horrible from my point of view. And as for the picking up things quickly statement, I'll ask you how much better he was at the end of the season compared to the beginning? Keeping in mind of course, that defenses were putiing 8 and 9 in the box to stop the running game. I will agree on the strong arm and youth part but, I honestly cannot give him more than a 20% chance of making it past this year if he is the starter and they don't somehow get their hands on Favre. One man's opinion.

[kutulu 1,680]

TIME FOR PACKERS TO PUNT

Posted by Mike Florio on July 31, 2008, 6:30 a.m.

 

We’ve tried to be as neutral as possible regarding the situation between the Green Bay Packers and Brett Favre. In our view, each side bears responsibility for a situation that has tarnished the reputation of the team and the legacy of the player.

 

But in light of multiple reports that the Packers have offered Favre huge money to stay retired, we think that the time has come for the Packers to do the right thing and release Favre.

 

It’s obvious that the Packers don’t want Favre on their team. It’s obvious that the Packers don’t want him to be a member of any team they’ll play twice this season.

 

It’s obvious that they can’t have it both ways.

 

There have been suggestions that, if/when Favre reports for training camp, he’ll be limited to individual drills, presumably to avoid the appearance of a quarterback competition and to prevent an injury that would require the team to pay him $12 million over one year as opposed to $20 million over ten.

 

Though there have been many situations in which a team has had the right and the ability to squeeze a player in similar ways (the Falcons are currently doing it to receiver Joe Horn, in our opinion), none of those players has had Favre’s stature. And though I’ve criticized Favre for thinking that the rules that apply to other players don’t apply to him, maybe the rules shouldn’t apply to the man who holds every career passing record (including one he likely didn’t want to set) whose team inexplicably would prefer to go with an unproven quarterback over a well-known commodity.

 

If the Packers don’t want Favre, that’s fine. But don’t put the guy on ice, don’t play games with him, and don’t make unseemly bribes in order to keep him from playing football.

 

Our guess is that, bright and early on Thursday morning, Commissioner Roger Goodell will get on the horn with Packers president Mark Murphy and ask whether the reported offer of pay-for-no-play is true. If it is, Goodell likely will give the Packers the closest thing to a direct order that he possibly can to let Brett go.

Goodell got involved because he knows it’s good for the game for Favre to be playing for someone. With the Packers unable to dictate where Favre will play and unwilling to let Favre play for the Packers, there’s only one answer.

 

Cut him loose. Give him his freedom. If he’s earned the ability to make $20 million to stay in Mississippi, he’s earned the ability to be able to play anywhere he chooses, if he’s truly not wanted in Wisconsin.

 

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[coyote-kid 0]

He most def. will not sign with the Vikings.

[Dr. Octopus 0]

You must have been watching a different Tarvaris Jackson than the one I saw last season. Basically he was horrible from my point of view. And as for the picking up things quickly statement, I'll ask you how much better he was at the end of the season compared to the beginning? Keeping in mind of course, that defenses were putiing 8 and 9 in the box to stop the running game. I will agree on the strong arm and youth part but, I honestly cannot give him more than a 20% chance of making it past this year if he is the starter and they don't somehow get their hands on Favre. One man's opinion.

 

In his defense he threw a number of nice deep balls that clanged off of his receivers hands. I think its unfair to judge a young QB so strictly, as most take some time to develop. Hell Manning threw well over 20 INTs his first season as a starter.

 

I think Tavrais shows some nice skills, but hasn't been a great decision maker so far and lacks a little compusre, but most young QBs do. I'd give him at least another year to show some results before I think its time to throw him on the scrap heap.

[kutulu 1,680]

He most def. will not sign with the Vikings.

 

Never say never

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[coyote-kid 0]

Never say never

 

Why?

Do you know something that others on Earth don't know?

[kutulu 1,680]

Why?

Do you know something that others on Earth don't know?

 

Yes, but that really has nothing to do with the topic at hand. A few days ago it was an absolute no about trading him within the division....now they are at least considering it.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I think he throws a nice spiral. And he's the closest runner to Randall Cunningham and Vick I've seen in this league. Really reminds me of Vick they way he runs so effortlessly. He's got a strong arm. He's young and still developing. From everything I've heard and read he picks up things quickly and is continuing to work really hard. Once he cuts down on mistakes I think he could really help the Vikings.

 

I don't think we are watching the same player.

I have yet to see Jackson look electric as a runner (and Young is much closer to either of those than Jackson).

His throws don't look as pretty as you are leading on.

He looks lost out there many times...and Im not sure what kind of grasp of the offense he really has.

In addition, I would not be confident in the coaching he is getting from Bevell and Childress.

[Sho Nuff 720]

no, i told you..I live close to the stadium..so Im closer to this team than you are..its not as if I have to wait for the paper to come out to get some news..im here..and no..the snow game didnt hurt me..im pulling for the qb who lit seattle up..ive been a favre diehard since the 92-93 years when my friends and i would see him at mcswiggins serving beers to us...plus ive seen TTs act in seattle..im not 1 to automatically go with the organization with every move they make...

 

i dont care if u are bothered by me trying rattle aaron or not...im here..i cheer for seattle but my taxes go to the packers..so yeah..i have a real interest..as for what outsiders think? we dont care...but u are entitled to say whatever, i guess...

 

and the yelling isnt bothering the team..they want favre back...

 

The point being you keep taking them as a possessive...like you are a fan of their team. Its kind of humorous.

Your vicinity to the team means very little.

I don't automatically go with the organization either. Though, TT has done a hell of a job with this team...while making several mistakes and he is making a few of them now.

I just think Favre has put them in a bad position and there is no great way to do this right now.

 

Im not bothered by you trying to rattle Rodgers...he is a big boy...I just find it funny that you spend so much time worrying about the Packers.

 

Outsiders? Hah!!!!

[kutulu 1,680]

and he is making a few of them now.

 

 

A few? The dude is rewriting the book on how to screw up a good thing. Did they think the 20 million dollar thing would go over well? Focking major dumb move on their part.

[Belushi 9]

A few? The dude is rewriting the book on how to screw up a good thing. Did they think the 20 million dollar thing would go over well? Focking major dumb move on their part.

 

While I agree the bribe was a dumb idea (and it wasn't TT who offered it by the way), I really don't see what else the team has done wrong in this situation. They gave Favre every opportunity for months now to come back, and he kept insisting that he wanted to retire. So the team made Rodgers the starter and started planning around that. What else were they supposed to do when Favre changed his mind? Just say, ok, you're the starter again, screw you Rodgers? Then you'd all be yelling at the organization for screwing over their QB of the future. Should they just release him? He guided the team to within minutes of the Superbowl. You're just going to release that kind of an asset to go to your main rival for the division this season? Someone tell me what they should have done differently. I'm sure all the future NFL GM's on these boards have lots of ideas.

[kutulu 1,680]

While I agree the bribe was a dumb idea (and it wasn't TT who offered it by the way), I really don't see what else the team has done wrong in this situation. They gave Favre every opportunity for months now to come back, and he kept insisting that he wanted to retire. So the team made Rodgers the starter and started planning around that. What else were they supposed to do when Favre changed his mind? Just say, ok, you're the starter again, screw you Rodgers? Then you'd all be yelling at the organization for screwing over their QB of the future. Should they just release him? He guided the team to within minutes of the Superbowl. You're just going to release that kind of an asset to go to your main rival for the division this season? Someone tell me what they should have done differently. I'm sure all the future NFL GM's on these boards have lots of ideas.

 

 

I realize it was the President who offered the 20 million buy off (see where I said "they"). I see these two as focking this thing up together. The coach has done as good as could be expected in the circumstances, IMO.

 

IMO, they should have brought him back with the stipulation that it would be an open competition for the QB spot.

[KSB2424 3,148]

While I agree the bribe was a dumb idea (and it wasn't TT who offered it by the way), I really don't see what else the team has done wrong in this situation. They gave Favre every opportunity for months now to come back, and he kept insisting that he wanted to retire. So the team made Rodgers the starter and started planning around that. What else were they supposed to do when Favre changed his mind? Just say, ok, you're the starter again, screw you Rodgers? Then you'd all be yelling at the organization for screwing over their QB of the future. Should they just release him? He guided the team to within minutes of the Superbowl. You're just going to release that kind of an asset to go to your main rival for the division this season? Someone tell me what they should have done differently. I'm sure all the future NFL GM's on these boards have lots of ideas.

1. Either welcome him back and let him be the starter unless Rogers beats him out in camp.

2. Release him/trade him to where he wants to go.

 

These are the only two options that make any sense. The fact that the Packers are doing neither as of right now is stoopid. He WAS the focking Packers for almost two decades. Did Favre himself create kind of a mess with his waffling? Yes. However the Green Bay franchise needs to suck it up and do the right thing. Bottom line.

[Sho Nuff 720]

A few? The dude is rewriting the book on how to screw up a good thing. Did they think the 20 million dollar thing would go over well? Focking major dumb move on their part.

 

I would not go that far with it.

If its true...yes...an idiotic move (I have said that from the moment I first heard it).

[BLS 314]

1. Either welcome him back and let him be the starter unless Rogers beats him out in camp.

2. Release him/trade him to where he wants to go.

 

These are the only two options that make any sense. The fact that the Packers are doing neither as of right now is stoopid. He WAS the focking Packers for almost two decades. Did Favre himself create kind of a mess with his waffling? Yes. However the Green Bay franchise needs to suck it up and do the right thing. Bottom line.

 

Agreed. They need to maek this go away, and by offering him 20mill, it clearly shows they are desperate.

 

So desperate that they'll be releasing him soon.

[Sho Nuff 720]

While I agree the bribe was a dumb idea (and it wasn't TT who offered it by the way), I really don't see what else the team has done wrong in this situation. They gave Favre every opportunity for months now to come back, and he kept insisting that he wanted to retire. So the team made Rodgers the starter and started planning around that. What else were they supposed to do when Favre changed his mind? Just say, ok, you're the starter again, screw you Rodgers? Then you'd all be yelling at the organization for screwing over their QB of the future. Should they just release him? He guided the team to within minutes of the Superbowl. You're just going to release that kind of an asset to go to your main rival for the division this season? Someone tell me what they should have done differently. I'm sure all the future NFL GM's on these boards have lots of ideas.

 

I detailed this out in the options early in this situation.

In no particular order

 

-talk to Favre, get a firm committment from him whether he is playing one or two more years. You don't take him back only to have to go through the will he or won't he crap again after this year.

-gather the core group of players...vets and some younger guys both (Driver, Barnett, Hawk, Kampman, Harris, Jennings)...and let them know what is going on and how they would feel about Brett coming back. You don't let them make the decision...but you have to know how the team is going to react.

-sit down with Rodgers and explain to him that Brett may be coming back...you do this after you get the committment from Brett...then you give Rodgers options. Does he want to stay and offer him an extension because his contract is up soon...or that they now have Brohm and if Rodgers does not want to be around GB anymore...that they would be open to trade him.

 

I said that long ago. They went a different direction and I understand the reasoning for sure...which is what I have been defending.

[Sho Nuff 720]

1. Either welcome him back and let him be the starter unless Rogers beats him out in camp.

2. Release him/trade him to where he wants to go.

 

These are the only two options that make any sense. The fact that the Packers are doing neither as of right now is stoopid. He WAS the focking Packers for almost two decades. Did Favre himself create kind of a mess with his waffling? Yes. However the Green Bay franchise needs to suck it up and do the right thing. Bottom line.

 

Option 2 makes no sense at all as far as running a football team. Also, Favre has yet to tell them where he wants to go. Sure it has been insinuated its the Vikings...but they have asked him for a list of teams he would be traded to and he has failed to produce one.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Option 2 makes no sense at all as far as running a football team.

If we were talking about a 4th year player named Joe Schmoe you are correct. However that is not who we are talking about. As tired as I am of hearing about how great Favre is in the media, he did mean everything to that franchise for 16 years. Either welcome him fully back or trade/release him now. Do the right thing.

 

In any profession a 16 year veteran employee that made the company loads of money and was the standard at his profession, gets treated differently than the rest of the employees in the company. HTH

[Sho Nuff 720]

If we were talking about a 4th year player named Joe Schmoe you are correct. However that is not who we are talking about. As tired as I am of hearing about how great Favre is in the media, he did mean everything to that franchise for 16 years. Either welcome him fully back or trade/release him now. Do the right thing.

 

In any profession a 16 year veteran employee that made the company loads of money and was the standard at his profession, gets treated differently than the rest of the employees in the company. HTH

 

How is releasing him the right thing? Because some fans think it would be the "nice" thing to do?

 

Meanwhile...he then goes to Minny...has a shot at the title...and if he wins it...TT, McCarthy, Murphy are all out of jobs if this happens.

I have said it before (and this was prior to this damn 20 mil offer thing)...the biggest threat to Thompson's job comes if he releases him, or trades him to Minny (barring huge compensation for him).

[KSB2424 3,148]

How is releasing him the right thing? Because some fans think it would be the "nice" thing to do?

 

Meanwhile...he then goes to Minny...has a shot at the title...and if he wins it...TT, McCarthy, Murphy are all out of jobs if this happens.

I have said it before (and this was prior to this damn 20 mil offer thing)...the biggest threat to Thompson's job comes if he releases him, or trades him to Minny (barring huge compensation for him).

If he is still that good then why is he not coming back as the starting QB of GB? That is the rub.

 

If the Packers think he can lead Minny to a title then he needs to be welcomed back and focking play for GB. If they think he is not, and want to go with Rogers, then trade/release him. Real simple.

 

I just love GB's stance: We love you Brett! But if you come back here you better grab a clipboard. But you are so good we are scared to let another team have you. So we will bribe you to stay away from the NFL.

[Gepetto 1,369]

If he is still that good then why is he not coming back as the starting QB of GB? That is the rub.

 

If the Packers think he can lead Minny to a title then he needs to be welcomed back and focking play for GB. If they think he is not, and want to go with Rogers, then trade/release him. Real simple.

 

I just love GB's stance: We love you Brett! But if you come back here you better grab a clipboard. But you are so good we are scared to let another team have you. So we will bribe you to stay away from the NFL.

 

Exactly

[Sho Nuff 720]

If he is still that good then why is he not coming back as the starting QB of GB? That is the rub.

 

If the Packers think he can lead Minny to a title then he needs to be welcomed back and focking play for GB. If they think he is not, and want to go with Rogers, then trade/release him. Real simple.

 

I just love GB's stance: We love you Brett! But if you come back here you better grab a clipboard. But you are so good we are scared to let another team have you. So we will bribe you to stay away from the NFL.

 

Why...because he may not be the best thing for the franchise and they are thinking beyond just this year.

Its not as simple as just letting him back...I have said this quite often (despite that I think it could be done...there is reasoning behind it).

Them moving forward with Rodgers has nothing to do with Favre's ability to help out Minnesota.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Exactly

 

That is why you two and Michael Wilbon are not NFL executives.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Why...because he may not be the best thing for the franchise and they are thinking beyond just this year.

Its not as simple as just letting him back...I have said this quite often (despite that I think it could be done...there is reasoning behind it).

Them moving forward with Rodgers has nothing to do with Favre's ability to help out Minnesota.

So Green Bay wants their cake and eat it too even if it means making a complete mess of the whole thing, looking like asses, pooping on the face of your franchise HOF QB for the past 16 years, creating division between your fanbase as well as possibly your team, and did I mention looking like asses?

[KSB2424 3,148]

That is why you two and Michael Wilbon are not NFL executives.

Please let us know which NFL team you run? TIA

[ieatchickens 0]

If he is still that good then why is he not coming back as the starting QB of GB? That is the rub.

 

Because Green Bay has a quarterback they can count on for not only this season but possibly for the next 10 years. If Rodgers were only in the 2nd or 3rd year of his 4 year contract than Favre probably would be starting this year. The Packer organization is not willing to throw away Rodgers since he is in the 4th year of his 4 year contract. They think he has a shot at being pretty good and want to see exactly what they have before they resign him

 

What most NFL fans truly do not understand is that a teams GM makes decisions years in advance and do not only think about their chance of winning this season.

 

If the Packers think he can lead Minny to a title then he needs to be welcomed back and focking play for GB. If they think he is not, and want to go with Rogers, then trade/release him. Real simple.

 

Favre has a 12 million dollar contract. That is something that you just don't "give away". How often do you give away your 401K balance to someone more needy because it is the right thing to do?

[surferskin 30]

Because Green Bay has a quarterback they can count on for not only this season but possibly for the next 10 years.

I guess we'll just have to take your word for this.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Favre has a 12 million dollar contract. That is something that you just don't "give away". How often do you give away your 401K balance to someone more needy because it is the right thing to do?

So you offer him 20 million instead?

[Sho Nuff 720]

So Green Bay wants their cake and eat it too even if it means making a complete mess of the whole thing, looking like asses, pooping on the face of your franchise HOF QB for the past 16 years, creating division between your fanbase as well as possibly your team, and did I mention looking like asses?

 

Brett has looked like a bit of an ass pooping on the Packers as well.

[kutulu 1,680]

Brett has looked like a bit of an ass pooping on the Packers as well.

 

 

Yeah, but TT and Murph have done such a worse job with the situation you don't even notice the stench from Farve.

[Belushi 9]

So doing the right thing is telling your QB of the future, after telling him he's the starter, too bad, Favre wants to come back and be the starter? I'm glad none of you are running NFL teams. You're supposed to do right by Favre, but you can totally screw Rodgers? Favre has been the face of the Packers and deserves respect, but last I checked he got paid to play all those years. And how about what Favre owes to the Packers? They traded to get him and gave him a chance to start in the NFL (everyone else seems happy to look at the past as justification). Shouldn't he "do the right thing", after multiple chances to come back and be the starter, and just stay retired? Why does he get a free pass and the Packers organization that's done everything right, including offering him the starting job all off-season, get creamed?

 

And why in God's name would you release him? Yes, he's a very good QB and probably still better than Rodgers, but I've outlined why the Packers shouldn't just screw Rodgers over. So you don't release a guy just because he wants it. It's a business, and you have a very valuable asset who's burned his bridges and can't come back as the starter. But, he would be a massive upgrade for the Vikings or Bears. I don't care if you think he earned it. The Packers earned his loyalty in return and he's screwed them over. It works both ways.

 

But I'm done arguing. Most of you people are just on here to slam the Packers because you've got nothing good to say about your own teams. Hopefully they trade him to the Bears so they don't match Miami's record from last year, but are still irrelevant.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Yeah, but TT and Murph have done such a worse job with the situation you don't even notice the stench from Farve.

 

Hard not to notice the stench when he is doing interviews on TVs calling the front office liars and airing his grievances there rather than trying to work crap out.

Its one of the biggest reasons I simply cannot just give him a pass for this.

[surferskin 30]

So doing the right thing is telling your QB of the future, after telling him he's the starter, too bad, Favre wants to come back and be the starter?

Then have an open competition! Why is everyone so worried about coddling Rodgers? If he can't beat out Favre's old ass, then maybe he's not their QB of the future anyways.

[kutulu 1,680]

But I'm done arguing. Most of you people are just on here to slam the Packers because you've got nothing good to say about your own teams. Hopefully they trade him to the Bears so they don't match Miami's record from last year, but are still irrelevant.

 

 

My team won the last year.

 

I think they need to trade him now to anybody, for something, to save some face.

[kutulu 1,680]

Hard not to notice the stench when he is doing interviews on TVs calling the front office liars and airing his grievances there rather than trying to work crap out.

Its one of the biggest reasons I simply cannot just give him a pass for this.

 

True, yet by comparison to Packers management he is blowing out soap bubbles

[ieatchickens 0]

I guess we'll just have to take your word for this.

 

Never said that QB would be Rodgers.

 

It's either Rodgers, or if he stumbles miserably, you go with Brohm and let Rodgers go. This way you know what you have at QB. If Favre plays for GB this year the organization will never know what they have in Rodgers. They need him to play this year to see if he is worth resigning. Farve may be the best this season but this the real world.

[surferskin 30]

Never said that QB would be Rodgers.

 

It's either Rodgers, or if he stumbles miserably, you go with Brohm and let Rodgers go. This way you know what you have at QB. If Favre plays for GB this year the organization will never know what they have in Rodgers. They need him to play this year to see if he is worth resigning. Farve may be the best this season but this the real world.

Well, all I can say that Rodgers might pan out but there's a better chance that he will suck. Just look most situations when organizations try to replace franchise QB. Steve Young is the exception but everyone new he was good before they let Montana walk.

[ieatchickens 0]

Well, all I can say that Rodgers might pan out but there's a better chance that he will suck. Just look most situations when organizations try to replace franchise QB. Steve Young is the exception but everyone new he was good before they let Montana walk.

 

Surf, we should quit right now. We actually agree for once!

[surferskin 30]

Surf, we should quit right now. We actually agree for once!

[kutulu 1,680]

ESPN is reporting that Brett Favre has chartered a plane to Green Bay, leading to the possibility that Favre could head north this afternoon or evening and show up at Packers training camp tomorrow.