Did Favre really make a difference?

[The Moz 69]

Jones ran great with Rex Grossman at QB before too.

Oh...and this year...Favre in NY, Faneca in NY, several #1 draft picks on that line another year into their careers.

This year in GB, Clifton on gimpy knees, Wells misses time, Tauscher misses time....oh...and Grant has still run pretty good at times.

 

 

just can't focking play along can you

[Sho Nuff 720]

Actually now that I actually look at things we're all wrong.........the Pack have about the same rush avg as last year and are actually running a bit more often this year for 12 extra yds per game. It's the passing game that's fallen off 42 yds per game.

 

Part of that difference in average is also that GB sucked so bad running the ball early last year and were so good later in the year. They had to creep out of a huge hole to get the year long average up to respectable last year as the run game was nearly non-existant.

 

Thru 12 games passing, Rodgers has about 600 fewer yards than Favre on about 30-40 fewer attempts. 2 fewer passing TDs, same INTs, 4 more rushing TDs and a little less on the throwing percentage.

 

As I have said...a small dropoff was expected and I think he has made it an even smaller dropoff that I and many thought.

[AintNoStoppinMeNow 68]

I like Jordy Nelson as a player, he was outstanding in college. I just didn't like the fact that he was the Packers first pick when that was obviously not a position of need coming into the draft. I also think one of the main reasons he was drafted was as an eventual replacement to Greg Jennings, not Donald Driver. Jennings is up soon and you and I can both agree he's going to seek and deserve big time money. If you've learned anything about Thompson it should be this, he doesn't like FA's. Doesn't like paying them and he doesn't like acquiring them. Thompson is always about the draft and that's why the Packers will always be thinking about next year. Don't be shocked to see James Jones and Jordy Nelson as the Packers starting WR's very soon.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I like Jordy Nelson as a player, he was outstanding in college. I just didn't like the fact that he was the Packers first pick when that was obviously not a position of need coming into the draft. I also think one of the main reasons he was drafted was as an eventual replacement to Greg Jennings, not Donald Driver. Jennings is up soon and you and I can both agree he's going to seek and deserve big time money. If you've learned anything about Thompson it should be this, he doesn't like FA's. Doesn't like paying them and he doesn't like acquiring them. Thompson is always about the draft and that's why the Packers will always be thinking about next year. Don't be shocked to see James Jones and Jordy Nelson as the Packers starting WR's very soon.

 

Jennings will get paid this offseason IMO.

I think Nelson is there so they have 3 solid guys once Driver is gone. All pretty young.

 

You can keep saying that about THompson...yet he gave Pickett good money, Woodson, Kampman, Barnett, Harris, Driver, Rodgers.

He has shown he will pay good $$$ to keep his guys. If they play the right way and don't try and make an issue of it (like Walker).

Jennings probably would have already been extended...but he did not want to do it during the season and thought it would be a distraction.

Thompson is about the draft...but also about keeping his core guys...especially if the guy is one he drafted.

[AintNoStoppinMeNow 68]

Jennings will get paid this offseason IMO.

I think Nelson is there so they have 3 solid guys once Driver is gone. All pretty young.

 

You can keep saying that about THompson...yet he gave Pickett good money, Woodson, Kampman, Barnett, Harris, Driver, Rodgers.

He has shown he will pay good $$$ to keep his guys. If they play the right way and don't try and make an issue of it (like Walker).

Jennings probably would have already been extended...but he did not want to do it during the season and thought it would be a distraction.

Thompson is about the draft...but also about keeping his core guys...especially if the guy is one he drafted.

 

I hope for the Packers sake you're right and they pay Jennings the money he deserves. I'll believe it when I see it though.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Simms has not shown to be any better than Hawk right now.

 

I have nothing to prove I am right and you are wrong, but I disagree.

 

Don't blame him for playing on one of the worst teams ever. When i watch him play he gets to the ball carrier better many LBs in the league. He plays with passion. He flys around and creates plays. To me he is definatly a better player than AJ Hawk.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I have nothing to prove I am right and you are wrong, but I disagree.

 

Don't blame him for playing on one of the worst teams ever. When i watch him play he gets to the ball carrier better many LBs in the league. He plays with passion. He flys around and creates plays. To me he is definatly a better player than AJ Hawk.

 

No problem...and he might prove to be better.

But I don't think even he is worthy of that 5th pick either.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Oline. Running game. Defense.

 

And yes...they hung with them this year. Do you, or anyone think that this team is playing like they did last year? The Packers that is?

Are they?

You say its not a strong reason for the difference in record...but do you agree or disagree that some player are not playing up to how they did last year? Ill name you a few.

Clifton

Bigby

Hawk

Pickett

Colledge

Wells

Grant

 

Add that up...while missing your top 2 DEs on the right side and now your MLB. Missing 2 safeties and now putting Woodson back there. Missing your #3 WR and putting Nelson out there and rarely going with the 4-5 Wide looks this year (hell, many games they have only had 4 active WRs).

 

I think there are plenty of reasons for the record. Those two issues mentioned above are pretty big as they involve some key players on this team.

QB play has actually dropped off about the least at this point.

 

I agree some players haven't played like they did last year.

 

But off of this list, Bigby and Grant were no name guys with less than 1 season of good play, so to expect them to be very good players for years is risky.

 

Pickett was a bust, he came to teh Packers and played pretty well, but still he is not a player to bet the house on to hold down the Dline.

 

Colledge and Wells are very average Olinmen. Colledge shouldn't start on any team in the league.

 

To you where does the GM come in? I still like my fantasy football comparison. Things change year to year. On every team in the NFL, every year, players have good years and players have bad years. The GB Packers are no different.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

No problem...and he might prove to be better.

But I don't think even he is worthy of that 5th pick either.

No he's not, not many LBs are. But he is at least a guy that looks like an athlete, I have been unimpressed with AJs speed and agility ever since he came into the league. He seemed to tackle better his 1st 2 years, this year I have just had it. To me sure he is better than Poppinga, but that isn't what I'm looking for. The D as a whole is slow. Ouside of Collins and Barnett, and now Chiller....no one has speed for their position.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_8YE-qbgL0

 

Not the AJ Hawk I have seen in a GB Packer Uniform. Nothing close to this actually.

[Dallas_Empire 0]

Favre will most likely torch the niners this Sunday further proving how big a mistake the Packers made.

[hines86rules 0]

http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/

 

I can't find the biggest T.V. in the world hanging in Lambeau! Do you guys even have cable in that dump? Take the tour on the website and listen to Jerry Jones. Our new building costs $1.3 billion.

Way to ignore the fact that you were comparing Texas Stadium and Lambeau. I love how you reason. You just throw random statements with no solid backing behind it.

 

The sky is red, deal with it haters.

[BMoney 0]

http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/

 

I can't find the biggest T.V. in the world hanging in Lambeau! Do you guys even have cable in that dump? Take the tour on the website and listen to Jerry Jones. Our new building costs $1.3 billion.

 

 

you think a tv will work when its -30? we dont have a roof for *gasp* when it starts to rain....

 

we go to the games to watch the football on the field....if the upper deck is that far away where you need a tv to watch the game, it sucks....lambeau has satellite and the seating area doesnt have 1 obstructed view...

 

i love the line that you can watch the tv and not even look at the field....nice pretty expensive seats to go watch tv in

[Dallas_Empire 0]

you think a tv will work when its -30? we dont have a roof for *gasp* when it starts to rain....

 

we go to the games to watch the football on the field....if the upper deck is that far away where you need a tv to watch the game, it sucks....lambeau has satellite and the seating area doesnt have 1 obstructed view...

 

i love the line that you can watch the tv and not even look at the field....nice pretty expensive seats to go watch tv in

 

 

I can see you are jealous of the $1.3 billion stadium we are building. It is the envy of the world and Lambeau is like a Mcdonalds playground in comparison.

[hines86rules 0]

I can see you are jealous of the $1.3 billion stadium we are building. It is the envy of the world and Lambeau is like a Mcdonalds playground in comparison.

Dallas based AT&T just layed off 12,000 people, congrats on your $1.3 billion dollar sandbox

[Sho Nuff 720]

Favre will most likely torch the niners this Sunday further proving how big a mistake the Packers made.

 

Because he torches the 9ers?

[Dallas_Empire 0]

Because he torches the 9ers?

 

 

You just cant see how badly your team needed Favre. The guy is a stud QB and he has alot of gas in the tank. Why not admit you messed up?

[Sho Nuff 720]

You just cant see how badly your team needed Favre. The guy is a stud QB and he has alot of gas in the tank. Why not admit you messed up?

 

Because the numbers don't support your hypothesis.

[BMoney 0]

Because the numbers don't support your hypothesis.

 

 

right..becuase its all about numbers...the saints are undefeated, right?

 

the only numbers we should concern ourselves with is....8-4 and 5-7....

[Dallas_Empire 0]

Because the numbers don't support your hypothesis.

 

 

It is a fact, not a hypothesis! Favre was an MVP candidate last year and his leadership skills are excellent. You dumped him because you thought the window for a title run was there and you didn't want the old man messing it up. Now it appears the only reason for the Packers success last year was Favre. Just admit he is a stud and you made a mistake.

[Sho Nuff 720]

It is a fact, not a hypothesis! Favre was an MVP candidate last year and his leadership skills are excellent. You dumped him because you thought the window for a title run was there and you didn't want the old man messing it up. Now it appears the only reason for the Packers success last year was Favre. Just admit he is a stud and you made a mistake.

 

Favre was an MVP candidate last year...and Rodgers is basically just under 600 yards behind his numbers through 12 games last year...2 passing TDs, same INTs...but Rodgers adds 4 rushing TDs.

And this defense...is 6+ points per game worse.

This team was not winning it all this year.

It does not appear it was the only reason for their success...only to braindead morons like you.

[Dallas_Empire 0]

Favre was an MVP candidate last year...and Rodgers is basically just under 600 yards behind his numbers through 12 games last year...2 passing TDs, same INTs...but Rodgers adds 4 rushing TDs.

And this defense...is 6+ points per game worse.

This team was not winning it all this year.

It does not appear it was the only reason for their success...only to braindead morons like you.

 

 

You need to get some medication to take care of that denial problem you have. I think the Favre departure has damaged your well being.

[AintNoStoppinMeNow 68]

Favre was an MVP candidate last year...and Rodgers is basically just under 600 yards behind his numbers through 12 games last year...2 passing TDs, same INTs...but Rodgers adds 4 rushing TDs.

And this defense...is 6+ points per game worse.

This team was not winning it all this year.

It does not appear it was the only reason for their success...only to braindead morons like you.

 

You just have to keep mentioning those four rushing TD's don't you? All you're doing is p*ssing off Ryan Grant owners!

 

Today should be a very interesting game for the Packers. It's must win and should be a rather easy win. Home game in the cold and snow against a dome team. The Packers should be able to dominate but I could also see this game possibly turning into a shootout like last week.

[Sho Nuff 720]

You just have to keep mentioning those four rushing TD's don't you? All you're doing is p*ssing off Ryan Grant owners!

 

Today should be a very interesting game for the Packers. It's must win and should be a rather easy win. Home game in the cold and snow against a dome team. The Packers should be able to dominate but I could also see this game possibly turning into a shootout like last week.

 

Yes...I keep mentioning them. Because its part of Rodgers game. Not just the TDs...but some of the other plays he has made with his feet to gain first downs. Its part of his game that Brett did not really have anymore (he used to run pretty well in his early days).

Look at 3rd and short numbers this year and 4th and short. They are better than last year. Some of it is the line, some of it is Rodgers sneaking more than Favre did in recent years...and that helps keep the defense off balance, not knowing if its going to be FB, RB or QB running the ball in those situations.

Today should be interesting. Owen Daniels scares me if Chillar cannot go (have not heard the latest but he was having issues earlier in the week).

Plus if they allow Slaton to break one...it could be bad.

But I don't see this Houston D being able to slow down the GB offense much this week.

[AintNoStoppinMeNow 68]

Obviously that's all true, but it's really unfair to compare a 24 year old's rushing numbers and scrambling ability to a 39 year old QB. Let's be realistic here. Also, even at his advanced age, Favre is still more mobile in the pocket than QB's half his age (one of the main reasons he's never missed a game since 1992).

 

I'm pretty sure Schaub is back in this week so I would expect a HUGE game from Owen Daniels against Green Bay's linebackers. And by huge I mean 100+ yards and a TD. He could be the difference maker keeping drives alive. For whatever reason Sage Rosenfels didn't throw to him but Schaub loves Daniels. Dare I say it but I think the Packers D steps up this game and creates a few turnovers and maybe even return one for a TD. Schaub is prone to turnovers and the Packers have to take advantage or else they'll have a repeat of last week. Either way it should be a fun game to watch.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Sho Nuff,

 

D. Bishop, A career STer has made more plays in a quarter than AJ has made all year. FF at the 1, and blew up a run 4 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

 

AJ Hawk so far is looking his normal average self. If someone didn't know football and watched a whole game, they wouldn't know who he was.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Bishop sack.

 

Followed but AJs half ass effort to tackle Sloton on a screen. 1st down Texans.

[AintNoStoppinMeNow 68]

I told you the game would be closer than people thought, although I expected a little more high scoring. What a crushing defeat for the Packers. If the season wasn't finished last week, it's done now.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

After the huge pass play to Driver to what the 35? How sad was it not to even get a FG attempt up?

 

There is no pass rush.

[AintNoStoppinMeNow 68]

After the huge pass play to Driver to what the 35? How sad was it not to even get a FG attempt up?

 

There is no pass rush.

 

That was more gutless playcalling from McCarthy (remember last week anyone?). You have a great cold weather and strong footed kicker in Crosby, give him a chance to win the game instead of playing for OT again. It was only last week that conservative play calling to try and get into OT failed and they do it again! Unbelievable!

[AintNoStoppinMeNow 68]

You just have to keep mentioning those four rushing TD's don't you? All you're doing is p*ssing off Ryan Grant owners!

 

Today should be a very interesting game for the Packers. It's must win and should be a rather easy win. Home game in the cold and snow against a dome team. The Packers should be able to dominate but I could also see this game possibly turning into a shootout like last week.

 

Just had to quote this since I find it hilarious Favre ends up with a rushing TD today (first one in two years).

 

I was thinking when the Lions were down one point and with Tavaris Jackson in the game that maybe just maybe the Packers could still come back and win this division. Looks like that won't be happening now.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

That was more gutless playcalling from McCarthy (remember last week anyone?). You have a great cold weather and strong footed kicker in Crosby, give him a chance to win the game instead of playing for OT again. It was only last week that conservative play calling to try and get into OT failed and they do it again! Unbelievable!

 

Not so much conservative. 2 pass plays, 1 was a sack, 1 was a 2 yard pick up as Rodgers just got rid of it to Lee. I wish they would have rolled Rodgers out once so he could run/hit the TE.

[AintNoStoppinMeNow 68]

Not so much conservative. 2 pass plays, 1 was a sack, 1 was a 2 yard pick up as Rodgers just got rid of it to Lee. I wish they would have rolled Rodgers out once so he could run/hit the TE.

 

I just didn't like that whole sequence at all. And I know it was 4th and 23 on the 38 but you have to consider kicking the FG there instead of punting. Your defense has shown you it can't stop anyone and you're going up against one of the better offenses in the NFL. Was McCarthy really thinking his defense would suddenly step up and they would get the ball back with any type of considerable time left? Just a lot of questionable decisions.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Ugly ugly game.

First thing...you get the long pass...then a holding call. Rodgers cannot take that sack there...you just can't. In addition...why not run again right there? Keep the clock moving or force Houston to use a TO there. If you want to pass on 3rd...great...but not on 2nd down. But again, you cannot take that sack there.

Then the D...you finally have a punter pin someone deep and you give up the long drive.

Just terrible.

Too inconsistent all around today.

[AintNoStoppinMeNow 68]

Ugly ugly game.

First thing...you get the long pass...then a holding call. Rodgers cannot take that sack there...you just can't. In addition...why not run again right there? Keep the clock moving or force Houston to use a TO there. If you want to pass on 3rd...great...but not on 2nd down. But again, you cannot take that sack there.

Then the D...you finally have a punter pin someone deep and you give up the long drive.

Just terrible.

Too inconsistent all around today.

 

That's another thing, the damn punter...The new punter came about one month too late. Why the hell did Thompson get rid of Ryan anyway?

[Sho Nuff 720]

That's another thing, the damn punter...The new punter came about one month too late. Why the hell did Thompson get rid of Ryan anyway?

 

Few reasons. Unlike this year...Ryan was too inconsistent and was not great at pinning teams deep.

Big leg, low with no hangtime and net average was not great. He could flip the field sometimes...

Frost excelled at pinning teams deep last year. This year, he was just bad all around.

 

EDIT: meaning...that is why I think they did it. I did not really think it was a good move at the time either.

[AintNoStoppinMeNow 68]

Few reasons. Unlike this year...Ryan was too inconsistent and was not great at pinning teams deep.

Big leg, low with no hangtime and net average was not great. He could flip the field sometimes...

Frost excelled at pinning teams deep last year. This year, he was just bad all around.

 

So why did the Packers stick with Frost for so long when most teams would've cut him weeks ago? That's what I have trouble understanding. If they were so quick to pull the plug on Ryan (who had an awesome year for the Pack last year) they should've been even quicker with this decision.

 

So where do the Packers go from here? They have to win the last three just to finish .500!!!

It's a far cry from being an OT away from the Super Bowl last year...

[Sho Nuff 720]

So why did the Packers stick with Frost for so long when most teams would've cut him weeks ago? That's what I have trouble understanding. If they were so quick to pull the plug on Ryan (who had an awesome year for the Pack last year) they should've been even quicker with this decision.

 

So where do the Packers go from here? They have to win the last three just to finish .500!!!

It's a far cry from being an OT away from the Super Bowl last year...

 

Ryan had a good year...but hardly awesome.

But I agree...they should have been quicker. I think part of it, from what I read...is he was money all week, every week in practice. But game day just was bad. I have no clue.

 

As for where they go. I think there will be several personnel changes. Most notably Bob Sanders has to be gone. he is totally unimaginative and this defense has been bad this year.

Stock might be gone as well as special teams coach.

Campen might be done as line coach.

 

TT IMO will make more moves this year. Hopefully on the O and Dlines big time.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Sho Nuff..

 

Was Hawk active?

 

Bishop>Hawk

 

[BMoney 0]

Matt Schaub type?

Let me know the last time Schaub has put up Rodger's numbers?

Rodgers (who was supposed to be fragile) has already played more games this season than Schaub ever has in a season. Has a higher rating, more yards, and a better TD to INT ration than Schaub has had as a starter. And he is a better runner. Schaub does have a higher completion percentage though.

 

 

who cares about better individual numbers? you keep on about rodgers 4 rushing tds..3 of them on sneaks..if the packers had called sneaks for favre, he'd have made them also...

 

schaub or rodgers? frozen turf in lambeau.....advantage...schaub....