Did Favre really make a difference?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Shonuff, the bottom line is you along with all the other Packers fans will be watching your beloved Bret Favre and the Jets in the playoffs while listening to Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy talk about next year. That's the problem with the Packers management, it's always about next year.

 

Yup, we will watch him in the playoffs and enjoy the 2nd round pick that came with it.

But we realize with the way this team has played, it was not for sure they were making the playoffs this year anyway.

 

Its always about next year...we heard that for a while then they went 13-3 next year.

Its not always about just next year. Its about a lot of things but you have to think into the future as well.

[Sho Nuff 720]

The Packers would've had a Super Bowl last year (and maybe even an undefeated season) had Ted Thompson not been such a egotistical moron and signed Randy Moss like Favre begged him to do. Could you imagine the trio of Moss, Jennings and Driver? Moss on the Packers would've meant no perfect season for the Patriots and no Super Bowl for the Giants. But no, a 4th round pick is far too precious for Thompson to part with. Knowing him, he would have taken that 4th round pick and turned it into two 5th rounders. Always, thinking about next year with Thompson. That's why instead of competing for a Super Bowl again the Packers are rebuilding and will continue to do so until Thompson is out.

 

Really?

Did I smoke crack or did the team Randy Moss play on not go undefeated and get beat by the same team that beat the Packers.

Why do you think he would have made the Packers win it all when he could not help one of the greatest teams ever put together win it all?

Its not being an egotistical moron that kept him from signing Moss.

Was the offense the issue last year? People whined that he did not give Favre enough to work with...yet they had the #2 ranked offense in the league. And it was not all Favre.

 

Now you are just spewing complete ignorance.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Isn't the Packer team basically the same team returning from last year except Favre ?? If the Packer roster has remained fairly stable then the reason for their stuggles HAS to be the loss of Favre. I would agree that the resurgance of the Jets can't be attributed just to Favre because they made several big moves on both sides of the ball.

 

Corey WIlliams gone as well.

Cullen Jenkins lost for the season early on the year.

Al Harris missing several games with the spleen issue.

KGB completely ineffective and cut.

Barnett playing worse and then out for the year.

Grant dinged up and ineffective early.

Clifton's knees flare up and he was not playing well early in the year.

Center Scott Wells misses a few games to start the year with an injury.

Tauscher misses time.

Clifton misses time.

Jones misses time.

Far more injuries than last year...and unless Pat Morita taught Favre that clap and rub your hands on someone's injuries to fix them...he was not going to change that.

Not to mention several players not related to the offense have played worse this year.

Special teams was awful for several games this year as well.

 

Then looking at Rodgers numbers through 12 games vs. Favres last year and they are not all that different.

 

With this team...Favre's presence would in all liklihood not make this team a contender.

[Sho Nuff 720]

but it didnt HAVE to be that way.....people think it did...it never had to be...we HAD brett...mccarthy wanted brett...brett couldnt get over his hatred for tt....

 

some packers fans suffered because of the egos..and of course, mark murphy is ok with it...hes a new president...do you think this all wouldve went on had bob harlan still been president? no way...

 

everyone can twist the stats all they want...they knock favre for picks...ignore the bad throws that shouldve been picked off of rodgers..they knock the fact that favres been smart with the ball....

 

records..check the records..ie..scoreboard...

 

does pennington or rodgers lead the jets to a win over NE last month on thursday night? no way....that alone is a major reason why this was an early christmas present for the jets...

 

and no...TT wont be gone..he SHOULD be...but the backbone is quite small here..they are going to live off of the success of the favre era for awhile...favre made those 2 very rich...

 

but hey..on the bright side...u can get tix for $45 each to sundays game..whos in?

 

Nobody ignores "should have been picked off" passes...because Favre had plenty of them when he was around too. That is just another of your bias filled rants that you are stuck on right now.

 

Records are team records.

When I look at the standings for some reason I see the Jets and the Packers listed but not Aaron Rodgers or Brett Favre...why is that?

 

I have no clue if Rodgers leads the jets to a win over the Pats that day.

But Rodgers has a better QB rating this year than Favre does with their teams behind or tied.

TT should not be gone.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I've noticed that there are two types of Packer fans this year.

 

You have the fans that can't believe a Super Bowl team has been shattered and a legend has been run out of town by management.

 

And you have the other type of fans that will defend anything and everything the Packers organization does because they're the Green Bay Packers. Sho Nuff falls under this category. He clearly can't accept the fact this team misses Favre and has made a number of terrible decisions lately.

 

The Packers had an amazing blend of youth and veterans and were clearly a Super Bowl contender with Favre back. Without him, they're out of the playoffs in a horrible division. This suddenly young team now has a ton of question marks all over the place. Aaron Rodgers is a very good QB and I've been impressed this season. But there's no way I would take him on the Packers this year over Favre. The team misses Favre and the Jets are happy to have him.

 

You are completely wrong.

I will not defend everything they do.

I will defend the decisions I felt were made with the best interest of the team overall in mind. Not just for one year...but for future years as well.

The Packers organization and Ted THompson have several faults...they have been discussed.

But its obvious by this statement "a Super Bowl team has been shattered and a legend has been run out of town by management." shows you have no objectivity here.

First...it was not a Super Bowl team. 2nd, the legend had a part in getting run out of town and initially left town on his own.

 

They were not clearly just a contender with him back for sure. They were in the mix...they were in the mix with Rodgers too. But the rest of the team has to perform as well.

And even with him nobody can say they would just be in right now.

Those question marks you mention are not really related to the QB position...suggesting the questions were there even if Favre was around. Thanks for admitting that.

[AintNoStoppinMeNow 68]

Shonuff is delusional...

 

Just had to quote this because after reading your latest replies Shonuff, this statement couldn't be more true.

 

Enjoy that 2nd and possibly 1st round pick. I'm sure Packers fans all over Wisconsin will be hoping for an extra first round pick to start fixing the mess in Green Bay. Oh wait, no they won't. Because that would mean the QB that brought them out of the NFL's basement and was not allowed on the "train" this season would be leading someone else to a Super Bowl. I'm not sure what type of tears Packer fans would cry if Favre could actually lead the Jets to the Super Bowl this season. Tears of joy for the old man that did so much for Green Bay or tears of sadness because it's his new team that he's leading.

 

p.s. I, unlike you, have objectivity. You are a jaded Packers fan. I am neither a Packers or a Jets fan. I'm a happy Giants fan thank you.

[Dallas_Empire 0]

Favre has made the difference with the Jets. Look at how the Packers have sucked without him.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Yeah Moss loves Favre and it would've worked cause he wouldn't try to show up Favre just like he wouldn't show up Brady. That's why Moss was worth the risk. But like I mentioned before, a 4th round draft pick is much too valuable to Thompson. He's nothing more than a glorified scout that somehow is a GM. I'm sure Packers fans will be happy to see that Favre draft pick turn into a first rounder. Maybe Thompson could use it on another bust like Justin Harrell or AJ Hawk. Or use that 1st round pick on a WR which is the last place the Packers need help yet that was where he decided to go in last year's draft. Packers fans need to hope that Thompson and McCarthy go before they ruin this team anymore than they already have. This is a win now league and everyone realizes that except for Packers management.

 

The 4th round pick was apparently too much for 31 other teams.

When it was even being discussed people were saying the Packers were crazy for even considering it. In hindsight everyone likes to talka bout how bad it was to pass on it.

 

AJ Hawk is not a freakin bust.

Yes...because these are the Lions and they will just keep adding WRs right?

Maybe he could use the pick (which right now is a 2nd rounder) for a solid 2nd round pick...like he has used on Collins, Murphy, Jennings...

He went WR in the 2nd round. And Nelson has been quite solid with the injuries to Jones and Martin hasn't he?

 

Packer fans need to hope upper management is not as ignorant as some like you and BMoney...so far, they are not and support both TT and McCarthy in what they have done.

 

Everyone realizes it?

I did not realize that every team just goes out and signs a ton of free agents every year.

Please list for me the big free agents the Colts have signed in the past 10 years? I bring them up because by record and result they are one of the most successful franchises out there.

There is not just one way to build teams is the point.

Some do it through the draft and use free agency some. Some use free agency far more.

 

I am so glad someone like you is not the GM of the Green Bay Packers...the team would be in the complete crapper right now.

ITs not fantasy football, its the NFL.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Just had to quote this because after reading your latest replies Shonuff, this statement couldn't be more true.

 

Enjoy that 2nd and possibly 1st round pick. I'm sure Packers fans all over Wisconsin will be hoping for an extra first round pick to start fixing the mess in Green Bay. Oh wait, no they won't. Because that would mean the QB that brought them out of the NFL's basement and was not allowed on the "train" this season would be leading someone else to a Super Bowl. I'm not sure what type of tears Packer fans would cry if Favre could actually lead the Jets to the Super Bowl this season. Tears of joy for the old man that did so much for Green Bay or tears of sadness because it's his new team that he's leading.

 

p.s. I, unlike you, have objectivity. You are a jaded Packers fan. I am neither a Packers or a Jets fan. I'm a happy Giants fan thank you.

 

Refute my replies...show what part was delusional.

You don't like it...fine, I don't give a rat's behind what you think.

But you posted a ton of BS and ignorance and think that anybody who disagrees with it is delusional.

Please tell me how Brett Favre would have carried this current Packer team the way it all has played out?

Plenty are cheering for Favre, I am one of them and hope he does well.

but most know this current packer team was not going all the way the way they have played this year and there is little to nothing Brett Favre could have done about it.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Favre has made the difference with the Jets. Look at how the Packers have sucked without him.

 

Favre has made part of the difference with the Jets.

The Packers average 40 yards per game more given up rushing because of a different QB?

6 points per game more given up because of a different QB?

 

If Rodgers was playing crappy, you all might have a point.

Given his production has not been far off of what Favre did...its ridiculous.

[AintNoStoppinMeNow 68]

Right, the team's biggest strength is WR yet Thompson uses his first pick of the draft on another WR. Nelson has just been posting monster stats hasn't he? Meanwhile, there are still no viable options behind Woodson and Al Harris. When those two are gone the Packers D will really go down the crapper. And AJ Hawk has been a bust. He was picked #5 overall and has been an OK player. Every NFL "insider" has said this. Nick Barnett is much better than AJ Hawk.

 

And you do not look towards the future when you are coming off of an NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME!!! You retool and go for it again, not retool to make a run in three years which is clearly Thompson's plan. Continue to enjoy the lack of free agents that come to Green Bay and enjoy all those draft picks that may or may not pan out. The Packers will be in rebuilding mode until Thompson gets fired.

 

Also, do yourself a favor and read this entire thread again. I think you'll find the majority of posters (except for you) have agreed the Packers miss Favre.

[The Hood 9]

Please...more of a rookie than Rodgers?

Fine...don't compare their stats this year.

Compare them through 12 games this year for Rodgers and 12 for Favre last year.

Favre would be leading by about 600 yards...have the same number of INTs, 2 more passing TDs, 4 fewer rushing TDs.

That in the offense he knew as a long time starting QB.

 

WR...its not like Favre is throwing to scrubs with Coles and Cotchery with Washington out of the backfield.

And he has a better Oline as well.

The 12th game for Favre last year was the Dallas one he got hurt in so it would have been more like 800 more yards plus atleast another TD or 2. Also 11 more sacks that Rodgers has taken.

[AintNoStoppinMeNow 68]

And what is Rodgers record since he signed that big extension the Packers rushed to offer him?

 

btw, he has still failed to make it through an entire season injury free (first year as starter which tells you everything you need to know).

 

p.s. I like Rodgers. I'm just saying...

[Sho Nuff 720]

Right, the team's biggest strength is WR yet Thompson uses his first pick of the draft on another WR. Nelson has just been posting monster stats hasn't he? Meanwhile, there are still no viable options behind Woodson and Al Harris. When those two are gone the Packers D will really go down the crapper. And AJ Hawk has been a bust. He was picked #5 overall and has been an OK player. Every NFL "insider" has said this. Nick Barnett is much better than AJ Hawk.

 

And you do not look towards the future when you are coming off of an NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME!!! You retool and go for it again, not retool to make a run in three years which is clearly Thompson's plan. Continue to enjoy the lack of free agents that come to Green Bay and enjoy all those draft picks that may or may not pan out. The Packers will be in rebuilding mode until Thompson gets fired.

 

Also, do yourself a favor and read this entire thread again. I think you'll find the majority of posters (except for you) have agreed the Packers miss Favre.

 

Had he not drafted a WR...they would have had to find one this year with Ruvell with the hurt hand and Jones having knee issues.

Plus Nelson can work in return dutie.

He has proven to be a solid WR and contributed big time to this offense.

Questioning that pick is proving you are quite foolish in your criticism of Ted Thompson and the Green Bay Packers.

Monster stats? Where did anyone claim he is posting monster stats.

 

Umm...Tramon Williams has shown himself to be a viable option at corner. Enough to put Woodson back at safety last game and this coming game. Again, your ignorance is shining through on that.

THey drafted another corner as well who has got some work this year but is now hurt.

He has not been #5 material overall...but as mentioned in another thread...look at that draft. Not many were or have even gotten close to living up to it. Trade down would have been nice if there had been any takers...but that did not happen.

 

I have yet to read every NFL insider call him a bust. Care to back that up? I doubt it.

Nick Barnett was not playing better this year even before his injury.

 

When you realize its not a sure thing you get to that point again with your current team...you do still look some to the future. Especially when your starter actually retires and confirms he is retired several times in the offseason.

 

Im glad you know what they will do in the future. Do you have the powerball numbers too?

 

The majority? Not totally. You have Dallas Empire and Bmoney on your side though. LOL.

[Sho Nuff 720]

The 12th game for Favre last year was the Dallas one he got hurt in so it would have been more like 800 more yards plus atleast another TD or 2. Also 11 more sacks that Rodgers has taken.

 

Sure...some of those sacks are on Rodgers...he has held the ball too long at times.

Some are on the line not playing as well this year as well.

And funny that people are now using Favre missing a game as a reason his numbers were not good. I thought it was Rodgers who was fragile? That is a joke.

And the way Favre was playing in that game...yeah, his yardage may have gone up...but his INTs might have as well.

He looked awful in that game.

[Sho Nuff 720]

And what is Rodgers record since he signed that big extension the Packers rushed to offer him?

 

btw, he has still failed to make it through an entire season injury free (first year as starter which tells you everything you need to know).

 

p.s. I like Rodgers. I'm just saying...

 

I don't know...I cant find his name in the NFL standings. I just see the Green Bay Packers.

Oh...and his play has hardly been bad after that extension...I don't see it as affecting how he has played.

How many times did Favre make it through a season injury free?

He is nicked up and missed one series this year.

First year starter tells us what? That he is performing at a very high level in his first year? Yup. He is.

Not wanting to jinx it...but plenty of people tried predicting he would not make it through 4 games.

I think he has shown he is pretty freakin tough.

[AintNoStoppinMeNow 68]

Had he not drafted a WR...they would have had to find one this year with Ruvell with the hurt hand and Jones having knee issues.

Plus Nelson can work in return dutie.

He has proven to be a solid WR and contributed big time to this offense.

Questioning that pick is proving you are quite foolish in your criticism of Ted Thompson and the Green Bay Packers.

Monster stats? Where did anyone claim he is posting monster stats.

 

Umm...Tramon Williams has shown himself to be a viable option at corner. Enough to put Woodson back at safety last game and this coming game. Again, your ignorance is shining through on that.

THey drafted another corner as well who has got some work this year but is now hurt.

He has not been #5 material overall...but as mentioned in another thread...look at that draft. Not many were or have even gotten close to living up to it. Trade down would have been nice if there had been any takers...but that did not happen.

 

I have yet to read every NFL insider call him a bust. Care to back that up? I doubt it.

Nick Barnett was not playing better this year even before his injury.

 

When you realize its not a sure thing you get to that point again with your current team...you do still look some to the future. Especially when your starter actually retires and confirms he is retired several times in the offseason.

 

Im glad you know what they will do in the future. Do you have the powerball numbers too?

 

The majority? Not totally. You have Dallas Empire and Bmoney on your side though. LOL.

 

You must seriously not know how to read if you think those are the only two that agree on the subject LOL. Seriously read this thread again. I feel like I'm wasting my time arguing with you because you are just a HOMER that will defend anything and everything your team does.

 

I'm glad you're not a fellow Giants fan because you would probably be defending Plaxico Burress right now.

 

Congrats, you know so much more about your team than I do. I know one thing you still have failed to realize.

 

Packers are behind the Bears and Vikings in the division and behind a whole lot more teams for the Wildcard.

 

The Jets are first in the division ahead of the Patriots, Dolphins and Bills. By the way, the last place team in the AFC East is .500 which is a better record than the Packers.

[Dallas_Empire 0]

Favre has made part of the difference with the Jets.

The Packers average 40 yards per game more given up rushing because of a different QB?

6 points per game more given up because of a different QB?

 

If Rodgers was playing crappy, you all might have a point.

Given his production has not been far off of what Favre did...its ridiculous.

 

 

Favre has the intangibles and he is a natural leader. Guys like Favre are rare and they can't be replaced easily.

[Sho Nuff 720]

You must seriously not know how to read if you think those are the only two that agree on the subject LOL. Seriously read this thread again. I feel like I'm wasting my time arguing with you because you are just a HOMER that will defend anything and everything your team does.

 

I'm glad you're not a fellow Giants fan because you would probably be defending Plaxico Burress right now.

 

Congrats, you know so much more about your team than I do. I know one thing you still have failed to realize.

 

Packers are behind the Bears and Vikings in the division and behind a whole lot more teams for the Wildcard.

 

The Jets are first in the division ahead of the Patriots, Dolphins and Bills. By the way, the last place team in the AFC East is .500 which is a better record than the Packers.

 

Not the only two...it was a joke.

Ive read the thread...and by your posts...you are wasting your time if you think posting ignorant crap about Ted Thompson and the Packers is helping your case.

 

Anything and everything? AGain...that is a completely BS accusation with no basis in fact.

I will defend moves that make sense.

I was unsure of the Nelson pick when they made it. But a possible returner was needed. And with Robinson gone (well, drafting him meant he would be gone) they wanted another young WR (Driver is not going to be around forever) and in the end...it worked out great because without him they would have had a few street free agents in to try and have a 3rd WR for several games this season.

Plax...nope. Nor will I defend the actions of Barnett in that club last year or Jolly in the offseason this year. But thanks again for another BS accusation.

 

Yes...I know a crap ton more about this team than you...which is why you should quit trying to tell me things about them when you are full of it.

Yes..the Jets are first in their division. Great...

You realize the AFC East has got to play the NFC and AFC WEst this year right...8 games vs. the worst 2 divisions in football...though, the Jets record vs. the AFC West is not very good.

[AintNoStoppinMeNow 68]

Packers are out of the playoffs. From the NFC championship to planning another Thompson draft where he figures out the best way to take 8 picks and turn them into 16

 

Meanwhile both NY teams will be in the playoffs!

 

But, hey, you just keep looking forward to next year. Like when the Vikings finally get a good QB and you take a backseat to them in the division for the next few years.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Packers are out of the playoffs. From the NFC championship to planning another Thompson draft where he figures out the best way to take 8 picks and turn them into 16

 

Meanwhile both NY teams will be in the playoffs!

 

But, hey, you just keep looking forward to next year. Like when the Vikings finally get a good QB and you take a backseat to them in the division for the next few years.

 

The Packers are technically not yet out.

Though, nobody can say they would not be if Favre were here.

I have said from day one, he was probably better for this year...but anything short of a Super Bowl and bringing him back would have only been about emotion.

a 9-7 team that goes one and out in the playoffs with Favre would not do a thing...it would have made the decision a failure.

And this team...with Favre would not be winning a Super Bowl.

 

Like when they get a good QB...who said they will.

Division for years?

You might want to look at the makeup of that roster and Oline and Dline and so on. They are not getting any younger.

Hell, they have not yet won it...and if the WIlliams boys are out for 4 games...they will probably not even win it this year.

Hell, they have never won the NFC North.

[AintNoStoppinMeNow 68]

The Packers are technically not yet out.

Though, nobody can say they would not be if Favre were here.

I have said from day one, he was probably better for this year...but anything short of a Super Bowl and bringing him back would have only been about emotion.

a 9-7 team that goes one and out in the playoffs with Favre would not do a thing...it would have made the decision a failure.

And this team...with Favre would not be winning a Super Bowl.

 

Like when they get a good QB...who said they will.

Division for years?

You might want to look at the makeup of that roster and Oline and Dline and so on. They are not getting any younger.

Hell, they have not yet won it...and if the WIlliams boys are out for 4 games...they will probably not even win it this year.

Hell, they have never won the NFC North.

 

My Vikings comment was a joke. But it does have some truth to it. If the Vikes were to ever find a solid QB they would be a force to reckon with in the division and probably the favorites. There is a reason that Thompson wouldn't allow Favre to go to the Vikes over his dead body and it wasn't just playing the Packers twice a year. The Vikings have solid lines, solid D and a great RB. A good QB and a better WR are all they are missing right now.

 

I think the Packers did make the right decision for the future. I was a Rodgers fan in college and he's been impressive thus far. But why not bring Favre back and have that open competition they said would take place and only days later take it back and not welcome Favre back? It's because they didn't want him back.

[BMoney 0]

Nobody ignores "should have been picked off" passes...because Favre had plenty of them when he was around too. That is just another of your bias filled rants that you are stuck on right now.

 

Records are team records.

When I look at the standings for some reason I see the Jets and the Packers listed but not Aaron Rodgers or Brett Favre...why is that?

 

I have no clue if Rodgers leads the jets to a win over the Pats that day.

But Rodgers has a better QB rating this year than Favre does with their teams behind or tied.

TT should not be gone.

 

you have officially said this stuff so many times that you now officially believe it..

 

you are really spinning with that team records talk...obviously they are listed as team...

 

im surprised that i still see aaron rodgers listed WITH the packers...let alone, naming them the rodgers..TT would consider it if possible..

 

as you saying the qb position isnt important? basically, you are...brett was here since the early 90s and you, like so many, have taken him for granted...

 

all i know is the packers are only 3 games up on the injury depleted seahawks and chiefs...3 games..the chiefs could still catch the packers..wouldnt that be great? because all people seem to want here is a better draft position...i guess going to the playoffs was taken for granted also..bothersome..an inconvenience...

 

yeah, i know the rodgers are only 3 behind the favres..but you know and i know that the rodgers/brohms arent going to go 3-1 to finish...

 

rodgers has spent a lot more time with his team behind..he should be padding the stats...of course, he gets himself an extra 5 yards passing with his delay of game penalties..do you think aaron will figure out how to get a play off after a 40 yard pass?...get aaron to be a lil quicker..tell donald to knock off the dancing and maybe they can start off 1st and 10 and not 1st and 15...

 

and i dont really have an issue with rodgers...im just not fooled into thinking this was smart or necessary...

 

it would be like the new jersey devils trading brodeur because they just needed to get a young goalie into the nhl...the kids time will come..either in nj or somewhere else..the standings list them as the devils..ask any devil fan...brodeur IS that team...

[Sho Nuff 720]

My Vikings comment was a joke. But it does have some truth to it. If the Vikes were to ever find a solid QB they would be a force to reckon with in the division and probably the favorites. There is a reason that Thompson wouldn't allow Favre to go to the Vikes over his dead body and it wasn't just playing the Packers twice a year. The Vikings have solid lines, solid D and a great RB. A good QB and a better WR are all they are missing right now.

 

I think the Packers did make the right decision for the future. I was a Rodgers fan in college and he's been impressive thus far. But why not bring Favre back and have that open competition they said would take place and only days later take it back and not welcome Favre back? It's because they didn't want him back.

 

Yes...the Vikings this year with a solid QB would be a very scary team. Thankfully management and coaching there is pretty inept.

And people bashed Thompson for not just releasing Favre.

THe problem with them is the aging and FAs on their roster. Birk is a free agent and not sure how much more he has left in him.

Sharper is getting on in years...and so on.

Not sure how big their window really is.

 

THe open competition sounds nice...and I would have had no problem with it...but we all know who would have won that...and what we did not know after that was what Rodgers would do. Just play out his contract and move on? We don't know. The risk at that point is you lose Rodgers and even the other backups get no reps...then after this season you get one year of Rodgers (if Favre then retired) or another year of Favre with Rodgers at #2. Rodgers leaves in 2010 (possibility) and you have a 3rd year QB taking over who has never seen action and has been limited to the #3 QB's reps for 2 years. And you probably lose one of Brohm or Flynn in the process (at the time, losing Flynn would not have sounded that bad as nobody had seen him play yet...maybe they can hide him on the practice squad).

 

This is why I said, short of a SB...bringing Favre back would set the team back at least another year if not more. And I don't think this team, with Favre, is a true contender for the SB.

[Sho Nuff 720]

you have officially said this stuff so many times that you now officially believe it..

 

you are really spinning with that team records talk...obviously they are listed as team...

 

im surprised that i still see aaron rodgers listed WITH the packers...let alone, naming them the rodgers..TT would consider it if possible..

 

as you saying the qb position isnt important? basically, you are...brett was here since the early 90s and you, like so many, have taken him for granted...

 

all i know is the packers are only 3 games up on the injury depleted seahawks and chiefs...3 games..the chiefs could still catch the packers..wouldnt that be great? because all people seem to want here is a better draft position...i guess going to the playoffs was taken for granted also..bothersome..an inconvenience...

 

yeah, i know the rodgers are only 3 behind the favres..but you know and i know that the rodgers/brohms arent going to go 3-1 to finish...

 

rodgers has spent a lot more time with his team behind..he should be padding the stats...of course, he gets himself an extra 5 yards passing with his delay of game penalties..do you think aaron will figure out how to get a play off after a 40 yard pass?...get aaron to be a lil quicker..tell donald to knock off the dancing and maybe they can start off 1st and 10 and not 1st and 15...

 

and i dont really have an issue with rodgers...im just not fooled into thinking this was smart or necessary...

 

it would be like the new jersey devils trading brodeur because they just needed to get a young goalie into the nhl...the kids time will come..either in nj or somewhere else..the standings list them as the devils..ask any devil fan...brodeur IS that team...

 

Its not spin with the team record...its the truth.

Where did I say the QB position is not important? Should i call that spin...or just an outright lie by you?

You mean the Chiefs that nearly beat the Jets because of a Brett Favre INT late when they were leading by 4 and in FG range? How about the Raiders that beat them?

Going to the playoffs is great...but with #4...anything short of a SB would be a failure and set the team back.

I know they are going to a 3-1 finish? I wish I would have read this night...I would have also asked you for the powerball numbers...maybe I will wait til its up around 100 mil instead of just 30 mil though to use your future seeing abilities.

 

You obviously do have an issue with Rodgers...you can keep denying it. Its fine...you have this huge emotional attachment to Brett Favre (which is odd for a Seahawks fan).

Goalie on a hockey team is a bit different that QB.

Especially since this QB has performed quite well this year and not far off of what Favre did last year when he was 2nd in MVP voting.

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i love how this was a thread about Brett's impact on the Jets but now its turned into a bunch of people bitching about the Packers.

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Packers went from 13-3 to 5-7

 

Jets 4-12 to 8-4

 

Yes injuries, other players, ect., all helped make up the reasons for the turn arounds but there's also got to be a lot of difference in having Favre lining up as your QB.

 

Funny how when the Packers shiit the bed under Favre, guys like this come up with 97 reasons why their record isn't Favre's fault, but when it's the other guy...

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Chalk another one up for SHoNuff being delusional.

 

He knows what he is talking about but once he gets on one side of the argument he will stay there no matter how wrong he is.

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ok, I 'm tired of people comparing Favre's stats to Rodgers' stats.

 

Just like the mindless VY supporters hated when I compared young's stats to Dilfers. Gotta suck when the numbers don't support your mindless man-love.

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Chalk another one up for SHoNuff being delusional.

 

He knows what he is talking about but once he gets on one side of the argument he will stay there no matter how wrong he is.

 

Care to point out what I have been wrong or delusional about?

I love people throwing the names around...but not actually disagreeing with anything specific or even trying to refute what I said.

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Just like the mindless VY supporters hated when I compared young's stats to Dilfers. Gotta suck when the numbers don't support your mindless man-love.

 

It was not mindless with VY in his first year and some last year.

Comparing him to Dilfer takes out so many variables its not even funny.

 

Oh...and its not manlove for Rodgers...its knowing the dropoff that was expected from Favre has not been as bad as originally thought by many.

He has his faults for sure. Mainly, holding the ball too long and the need to make some quicker decisions.

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It was not mindless with VY in his first year and some last year.

Comparing him to Dilfer takes out so many variables its not even funny.

 

Oh...and its not manlove for Rodgers...its knowing the dropoff that was expected from Favre has not been as bad as originally thought by many.

He has his faults for sure. Mainly, holding the ball too long and the need to make some quicker decisions.

 

 

who expected a dropoff from favre? if you have been following this team for eternity youd know what the late max mcgee always said...dont bet against brett...

 

you expected a drop off? i expected him to play with a chip on his shoulder..looking to jam it up TTs hole...dont you remember that brett?

 

im glad you named 1 of the jets losses and obviously, they lost this past week vs denver...its easier to come up with the teams when there are only 4 teams.....

 

it may take awhile to come up with all 7 of the packers...

 

ive found that people here are giving aaron a 1 year pass...they can not say anything wrong with him..and thats fine..packers brass probably expected that...

 

it wouldve been perfect for them to see brett struggle just as bad...i guess im one of the few who saw this coming.. 8-4 vs 5-7.. they basically have replaced brett with another matt schaub type..

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who expected a dropoff from favre? if you have been following this team for eternity youd know what the late max mcgee always said...dont bet against brett...

 

you expected a drop off? i expected him to play with a chip on his shoulder..looking to jam it up TTs hole...dont you remember that brett?

 

im glad you named 1 of the jets losses and obviously, they lost this past week vs denver...its easier to come up with the teams when there are only 4 teams.....

 

it may take awhile to come up with all 7 of the packers...

 

ive found that people here are giving aaron a 1 year pass...they can not say anything wrong with him..and thats fine..packers brass probably expected that...

 

it wouldve been perfect for them to see brett struggle just as bad...i guess im one of the few who saw this coming.. 8-4 vs 5-7.. they basically have replaced brett with another matt schaub type..

 

Who expected a dropoff? Are you serious?

Who did not expect one? Just about anyone discussing the issue expected a dropoff from a future HOFer and a 1st year starter.

 

Umm...I was discussing the dropoff in Rodgers as compared to Brett last year...not in Brett.

 

They have a losing record against one of the worst divisions in football. 1-3 vs. the West and were close to 0-4 against them because of a Brett INT. And he played poorly in all 4 of those games. So did the rest of the team. So its not all on him.

 

Struggle just as bad as who? Rodgers has not struggled that bad now has he. His numbers this year are actually better than Brett's.

 

Yup, 8-4 vs. 5-7 are the team's records. Good job again.

Matt Schaub type?

Let me know the last time Schaub has put up Rodger's numbers?

Rodgers (who was supposed to be fragile) has already played more games this season than Schaub ever has in a season. Has a higher rating, more yards, and a better TD to INT ration than Schaub has had as a starter. And he is a better runner. Schaub does have a higher completion percentage though.

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Isn't the Packer team basically the same team returning from last year except Favre ?? If the Packer roster has remained fairly stable then the reason for their stuggles HAS to be the loss of Favre. I would agree that the resurgance of the Jets can't be attributed just to Favre because they made several big moves on both sides of the ball.

 

 

The packers were above .500, and then the injury bug hit. First was Cullen Jenkins in week 4, he looked like he was going to turn the corner this season, and be what the packers needed at defensive end, averaging almost a sack a game at the time of his injury.

 

Then the nose tackle went down in the next couple weeks.

 

These were the packers 2 best defensive lineman. Those are the guys that were being double teamed. Now that those 2 guys didnt have to be double teamed that means more blockers available for blocking linebackers.

 

Those 2 injuries turned a run defense that was slightly above average to one that was below average.

 

Then the only linebacker that the pack had that could actually shed blockers on a consistent basis went down with an injury, Barnett. That turned a below average run defense into a bottum of the barrel run defense. AJ hawk may or may not mature, but he is not a ILB capable of being "the man" right now in his carreer.

 

 

I cant believe all the people in this thread that believe that a QB is the only factor in determing a teams record.

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The packers were above .500, and then the injury bug hit. First was Cullen Jenkins in week 4, he looked like he was going to turn the corner this season, and be what the packers needed at defensive end, averaging almost a sack a game at the time of his injury.

 

Then the nose tackle went down in the next couple weeks.

 

These were the packers 2 best defensive lineman. Those are the guys that were being double teamed. Now that those 2 guys didnt have to be double teamed that means more blockers available for blocking linebackers.

 

Those 2 injuries turned a run defense that was slightly above average to one that was below average.

 

Then the only linebacker that the pack had that could actually shed blockers on a consistent basis went down with an injury, Barnett. That turned a below average run defense into a bottum of the barrel run defense. AJ hawk may or may not mature, but he is not a ILB capable of being "the man" right now in his carreer.

 

 

I cant believe all the people in this thread that believe that a QB is the only factor in determing a teams record.

Packers were 2-0 against Vikes (Tavaris at QB) and the Lions and then lost their next 3 games.

 

Over their first 4 games they gave up 361 yards and 26 points a game.

 

Injuries or not the Packer defense has not been good save for a few games in the middle of the year.

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Shonuff just can't admit that the packers made a mistake letting Favre go. Now they must pay and they went from a 13-3 team to a joke team. How is this guy even a packers fan when he lives in Tennessee? LMAO! Bandwagon packer troll guy thinks Favre sucks but last year he worshiped Favre.

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Shonuff just can't admit that the packers made a mistake letting Favre go. Now they must pay and they went from a 13-3 team to a joke team. How is this guy even a packers fan when he lives in Tennessee? LMAO! Bandwagon packer troll guy thinks Favre sucks but last year he worshiped Favre.

 

LOL...just stfu.

IMO, it was not a mistake to let him go. With him I don't think they are contenders.

And keep calling me bandwagon pats fan...oh wait...that was just last year after the cowboys lost.

And where do I say that Favre sucks?

 

Ive been to more games in Lambeau than you probably have even watched in your lifetime.

I guarantee you have probably never stepped foot in Texas Stadium for a Cowboys game.

My mother and Grandfather were only at the icebowl and my mom sits in the seats that have been in the family for close to 50 years...I guess that makes them bandwagon fans too.

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LOL...just stfu.

IMO, it was not a mistake to let him go. With him I don't think they are contenders.

And keep calling me bandwagon pats fan...oh wait...that was just last year after the cowboys lost.

And where do I say that Favre sucks?

 

Ive been to more games in Lambeau than you probably have even watched in your lifetime.

I guarantee you have probably never stepped foot in Texas Stadium for a Cowboys game.

My mother and Grandfather were only at the icebowl and my mom sits in the seats that have been in the family for close to 50 years...I guess that makes them bandwagon fans too.

 

 

Keep telling that story about the ice bowl and your granny. We all know you are bandwagon! I just purchased PSL's for two seats at the new Cowboys stadium. The new Dallas stadium is the best stadium on the planet and it is superior to that piece of run down trash called Lambeau. I guess that makes me a bigger fan since I now have seats at the best stadium on the planet and you live in Tennessee and can't attend Packer games. Have a seat Shonuff!

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Keep telling that story about the ice bowl and your granny. We all know you are bandwagon! I just purchased PSL's for two seats at the new Cowboys stadium. The new Dallas stadium is the best stadium on the planet and it is superior to that piece of run down trash called Lambeau. I guess that makes me a bigger fan since I now have seats at the best stadium on the planet and you live in Tennessee and can't attend Packer games. Have a seat Shonuff!

 

It was my mother and Grandfather...but spint it how you want.

Can't attend?

Im going to the Detroit game this year.

You know they make these things called cars that can travel distances you know.

 

We all know you cannot afford PSLs...so no need to lie.

Rundown trash? Hah!!!

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It was my mother and Grandfather...but spint it how you want.

Can't attend?

Im going to the Detroit game this year.

You know they make these things called cars that can travel distances you know.

 

We all know you cannot afford PSLs...so no need to lie.

Rundown trash? Hah!!!

 

 

I just purchased two of them. I guess you would have to attend the Lions game in order to be assured Green Bay can get a win. Keep telling stories about your family and their adventures in rundown lambeau. We all get a good laugh at them.