Obama brings back era of big government...

[posty 2,862]

Sad, just sad...

 

http://in.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUS...0090226?sp=true

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Bill Clinton declared more than a decade ago "the era of big government is over." With his new budget, President Barack Obama has brought it back.

 

Obama's $3.55 trillion budget proposal represents a gamble that Americans are ready for the sort of change they embraced by electing him in November, including a tax increase on Americans making more than $250,000 a year.

 

He proposes expansion of spending on the U.S. healthcare system, on greater energy independence and on education, hoping Americans weary of paying for a raft of expensive bailouts for banks and the car industry will go along.

 

"What I won't do is sacrifice investments that will make America stronger, more competitive and more prosperous in the 21st century -- investments that have been neglected for too long," Obama said in rolling out his plan on Thursday.

 

The tax increase on Americans making more than $250,000 will help pay for a healthcare overhaul that has yet to be formulated.

 

Some experts worry this provision will have the unintended consequence of adding to the tax burden of small businesses, causing them to lay off workers or stop hiring.

 

"The taxing aspect of this is worse than Robin Hood," said economist Peter Morici, a University of Maryland professor. "He's resurrecting class warfare for political gain."

 

"POLITICAL JUDGMENT"

 

Obama's first budget was emblematic of a politician who, when he announced his run for the presidency two years ago, had rejected the conventional wisdom that, having little experience in national politics, he was moving too fast and should wait his turn.

 

"This is a matter of political judgment, not political science," said William Galston, a Brookings Institution economist who worked in the Clinton White House. "My judgment is that his reach will exceed his grasp. But I could easily be wrong about that."

 

His budget is an exercise in the use of political capital earned by his impressive election victory in November and an approval rating this week of more than 60 percent.

 

AMID BIG PROBLEMS, BIG PLANS

 

Some experts have been taken aback by the scope of his plans and the speed with which he is moving on fulfilling campaign promises at a time when the country is deep in recession and expecting a $1.75 trillion budget deficit for fiscal 2009.

 

"Given the economic catastrophe that we face, to go right into the teeth of that hurricane and plan for some ambitious expansion of government that goes beyond the triage element is bold to say the least," said Norman Ornstein, a political expert at the American Enterprise Institute.

 

Former Republican Senator Trent Lott said on MSNBC that presidents "tend to overplay their hand" in their first two years.

 

"I'm assuming this is going to find rough sailing in the Congress and I think rightly so," Lott said.

 

On Capitol Hill, Democrats in charge of both houses of Congress were generally pleased and eager to turn U.S. budget policy away from the years of Republican President George W. Bush. They had accused Bush of neglecting their spending priorities while cutting taxes.

 

"This is nothing short of a sober, honest assessment of where our country stands and a tough, realistic plan to get our budget in line with our priorities," said Senator John Kerry, the Democrats' 2004 candidate for president.

 

Morici said he feared Obama's policies could make matters worse.

 

"We have learned from hard experience that big government only begets big government and high unemployment," he said. "We have 1970s' solutions for new-age problems, and it's just not going to work. People are going to be happy to get some free healthcare for a while, then it's all going to end in tears."

[wil_d_thril 0]

Sad, just sad...

 

Yes, because government had shrunk so much during the Bush years.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Gotta love the Obamunists................dude spends more in 30 days than anyone in the history of the country and the best they have is "Bush is bad".

 

Crassic!

[Sho Nuff 720]

Gotta love the Obamunists................dude spends more in 30 days than anyone in the history of the country and the best they have is "Bush is bad".

 

Crassic!

 

Umm...its not a Bush is bad post.

But to claim Obama is bringing "back" the era of big government...is acting as if it was small during the previous admin. Whether it was Bush or Clinton a rep or a dem...its an idiotic assertion given the government was not exactly small with the previous guy.

 

Gotta love RP and the usual bash no matter what was actually said just because someone did not fall right in line with slamming the current Dem in office.

[BudBro 185]

thankfully even the morons who vote for democrats saw through jimmy carter and fired him. obama can't last acting the fool like he is.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Umm...its not a Bush is bad post.

But to claim Obama is bringing "back" the era of big government...is acting as if it was small during the previous admin. Whether it was Bush or Clinton a rep or a dem...its an idiotic assertion given the government was not exactly small with the previous guy.

 

Gotta love RP and the usual bash no matter what was actually said just because someone did not fall right in line with slamming the current Dem in office.

 

Add up what Obama will spend given his current rate and get back to me, Sparky.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Add up what Obama will spend given his current rate and get back to me, Sparky.

 

Where did I claim he would not spend anything?

Im commenting on the title and premise of this thread that he is bringing back the era of something that was not small when he took office.

His spending sucks.

But its no shock you pull out the usual crap in order to argue. Its all you do.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Where did I claim he would not spend anything?

Im commenting on the title and premise of this thread that he is bringing back the era of something that was not small when he took office.

His spending sucks.

But its no shock you pull out the usual crap in order to argue. Its all you do.

 

It's all relative. That is the point of the thread. Nobody thinks we have had "small govt".

 

Obama is gonna spend us into oblivian, and when compared to any previous President it won't even be close. Seems like I said as much during the campaign.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

I am not sure that this is bringing back big government. Given the numbers, it appears as this is the biggest government ever. I am all for stimulus, but I am not doubtful that spending just for the sake of spending (and that is what much of the current budget seems to be) is going to get us out of this mess and it is certainly going to get us into a deeper hole.

[wil_d_thril 0]

Gotta love the Obamunists................dude spends more in 30 days than anyone in the history of the country and the best they have is "Bush is bad".

 

Crassic!

 

If you are referring to me as an "Obamunist" you are sadly mistaken. I didn't vote for him, in fact, I contributed financially to the McCain campaign, but I'm not a partisan Republican either. The stupidity of "brings back the era of big gov't" is what I'm criticizing, because Bush and Repubs did nothing to shrink government. I'm a conservative who was very disappointed that government expanded the way it did during the Bush years. Go back to listening to RushHannity.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Sorry dude, it just sounded like you were pulling out the moveon.org talking points "Bush is bad" schtick.

 

 

Like I said before, the "big govt" being back is a relative term. $3.7 trillion dollar budget for one fukking year????

 

RTA: You need to lose the "Go back to listening to Rush/Hannity" line as well, that is a talking point the libs use when they run out of substantive things to say...........which is early and often. Believe it or not, there are plenty of us Conservatives who don't listen to either of those guys.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

The only way Bush trimmed the size of government was sending 5000 American troops to die.

 

Of course, this was more than offset by his formation of the Homeland Security department to listen to people's phone calls.

[NewbieJr 541]

The only way Bush trimmed the size of government was sending 5000 American troops to die.

 

Of course, this was more than offset by his formation of the Homeland Security department to listen to people's phone calls.

You are not allowed to talk about all the harm that Bush did. How many times do we have to tell you? Nor are we allowed to talk about teh fact that Obama is doing everything he can to get us out of teh mess THAT WAS HANDED TO HIM. Also, don't mention the fact that McCain agreed with Bush right down the line on most things. That's irrelevant, too.

 

Today's topic is about how Obama is FAYLING at trying to un-Bush the country and how Republicans 'suddenly' have everything figured out, five weeks too late.

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If you are referring to me as an "Obamunist" you are sadly mistaken. I didn't vote for him, in fact, I contributed financially to the McCain campaign, but I'm not a partisan Republican either. The stupidity of "brings back the era of big gov't" is what I'm criticizing, because Bush and Repubs did nothing to shrink government. I'm a conservative who was very disappointed that government expanded the way it did during the Bush years. Go back to listening to RushHannity.

 

The thread title should read "Obama continues trend of continually bigger government."

 

Bush and the Republican Congress gave us the biggest entitlement program since Social Security's inception in the form of Medicare D, and created the Department of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in our nation's history.

 

The idea that big government was ever out for more than a smoke break is absurd.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

 

The thread title should read "Obama continues trend of continually bigger government."

 

Bush and the Republican Congress gave us the biggest entitlement program since Social Security's inception in the form of Medicare D, and created the Department of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in our nation's history.

 

The idea that big government was ever out for more than a smoke break is absurd.

 

However, I think that it is perfectly valid to challenge the man who ran on a platform of "Change" in this regard. Don't you think?

[parrot 790]

However, I think that it is perfectly valid to challenge the man who ran on a platform of "Change" in this regard. Don't you think?

 

Absolutely. I didn't vote for Obama because I feared exactly this scenario, Dem Congress and White House having a spending orgy and just rubber stamping each.

 

But let's call it what it is... more of the same.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

However, I think that it is perfectly valid to challenge the man who ran on a platform of "Change" in this regard. Don't you think?

 

How can you challenge him on a platform of "change" when nobody made him explain what he meant by "change". Too bad the media was too busy trying to get him elected and neglected to ask him a single tough question.

[LOD01 199]

Gotta love the Obamunists................dude spends more in 30 days than anyone in the history of the country and the best they have is "Bush is bad".

 

Crassic!

 

I'm just curious as to what your plan would have been to fix the economy? Just sit around?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I'm just curious as to what your plan would have been to fix the economy? Just sit around?

 

Leave more money in the hands of those who actually create jobs.

 

Give substantial tax credits for purchasing cars and homes to help those industries as opposed to throwing money at the companies themselves.

 

Things along these lines.

 

I certainly wouldn't spend $30 million to save some mouse in The Moonbat's district and tell people it was "stimulus".