How do you know when Obama is lying?

[surferskin 31]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenumbers/2009/0...p.html#comments

 

 

Medical Bankruptcies: A Data-Check

 

March 05, 2009 12:37 PM

 

(3 p.m. update: See italicized items with responses from the lead author of the Harvard study, Dr. David Himmelstein.)

 

President Obama’s kicking off his health care reform today in the worst possible way: with a mischaracterization of data.

“The cost of health care now causes a bankruptcy in America every thirty seconds," Obama said at the opening of his White House forum on health care reform. The problem: That claim, based on a 2001 survey, is simply unsupportable.

 

The figure comes from a 2005 Harvard University study saying that 54 percent of bankruptcies in 2001 were caused by health expenses. We reviewed it internally and knocked it down at the time; an academic reviewer did the same in 2006. Recalculating Harvard’s own data, he came up with a far lower figure – 17 percent.

 

A more recent study by another group, approaching it another way, indicates that in 2007 about eight-tenths of one percent of Americans lived in families that filed for bankruptcy as a result of medical costs. That rings a little less loudly than “one every 30 seconds.”

 

The extrapolation of Harvard’s data to “a bankruptcy every 30 seconds,” which Obama also mentioned in his address to a joint session of Congress last month, comes, per the White House, from a 2005 Washington Post op-ed by Prof. Elizabeth Warren, a co-author of the Harvard paper. Fact-check.org has noted that even using Harvard’s numbers, it’s more like a bankruptcy every minute; indeed if you add up all bankrputcies in a year you barely get one every 30 seconds. (I've e-mailed Warren for comment.) But more to the point is that the Harvard data are clearly inflated, or at best, mischaracterized.

 

 

Isn't obvious that this guy is more than willing to lie to get his way? Fock what's best for the country...Obama got his agenda and he's pushing forward no matter what the cost.

[posty 2,876]

Isn't obvious that this guy is more than willing to lie to get his way? Fock what's best for the country...Obama got his agenda and he's pushing forward no matter what the cost.

 

Too bad people didn't realize this before they voted for him... They were too "star struck" and crying too much because he reads a teleprompter well...

[NorthernVike 2,121]

So much for CHANGE

 

 

But we still have the HOPE part, right?

[surferskin 31]

Bump. No one wants to defend the liar in chief?

[KSB2424 3,180]

Bump. No one wants to defend the liar in chief?

Maybe he is getting erroneous intelligence from his advisors/speech writers?

[surferskin 31]

Maybe he is getting erroneous intelligence from his advisors/speech writers?

Are you really serious? You really think that's the way it went down?

 

Ohhh....but everyone KNEW Bush and Cheney cherry picked evidence for their case for war.

[posty 2,876]

Bump. No one wants to defend the liar in chief?

 

They have to wait to see what the hosts on "Air America" tell them first...

[Frank M 181]

Are you really serious? You really think that's the way it went down?

 

Ohhh....but everyone KNEW Bush and Cheney cherry picked evidence for their case for war.

 

 

D@mn, surferdoosh, did Obama come over and piss in your protein shake this morning or something? You got a lot of anger today, boy!

[surferskin 31]

D@mn, surferdoosh, did Obama come over and piss in your protein shake this morning or something? You got a lot of anger today, boy!

Maybe the stock market crashing is effecting my mood.

[Frank M 181]

Maybe the stock market crashing is effecting my mood.

 

You want a cyber-hug?

 

If so, I think edjr is around somewhere.

[KSB2424 3,180]

Are you really serious? You really think that's the way it went down?

I don't know. Just trying to think of a rational explanation other than he is flat out lying to us and he knows it. I really hope that is not the case.

[edjr 7,152]

You want a cyber-hug?

 

If so, I think edjr is around somewhere.

 

(__!__)

[Frank M 181]

(__!__)

 

Is that a hug or an ass?

 

Either way, thanks, ed. You feel better, surfer?

[surferskin 31]

Is that a hug or an ass?

 

Either way, thanks, ed. You feel better, surfer?

Not really. That's more of a tease than anything.

[KSB2424 3,180]

I've been searching for the faggity friday thread all day. Looks like I finally found it. You guys have become very sneaky.

[edjr 7,152]

I've been searching for the faggity friday thread all day. Looks like I finally found it. You guys have become very sneaky.

 

 

[edjr 7,152]

Is that a hug or an ass?

 

Either way, thanks, ed. You feel better, surfer?

 

[wiffleball 4,800]

even using Harvard’s numbers, it’s more like a bankruptcy every minute;

 

Okay, let me see if I got this. The big drama is here is that medical costs don't cause a bankruptcy every 30 seconds, but every MINUTE? Good Lord.

 

I mean seriously guys, in the context of "lying". Saying we KNOW where the WMD's are! - To get us into a war that turned out to be completely uncessary - THAT's a lie.

 

Obama's overall point is not negated because "OMG - it's JUST one bankruptcy a MINUTE caused by the crippling cost of healthcare, not TWO a minute!" I mean, Jesus focking Christ, one banktruptcy an HOUR due to crippling medical bills is pretty focking staggering, no?

 

Man, that's a reach. Out of all the lies we've heard over the last 8 years, this, THIS is what you come up with to be mad about? It's like when Obama said we invented the car and some of the dimmer witted guys here were all . - "But but you got mad at Bush for saying lies - it's the SAME THING!"

 

...and you wonder why we think you're stupid.

[surferskin 31]

Okay, let me see if I got this. The big drama is here is that medical costs don't cause a bankruptcy every 30 seconds, but every MINUTE? Good Lord.

 

I mean seriously guys, in the context of "lying". Saying we KNOW where the WMD's are! - To get us into a war that turned out to be completely uncessary - THAT's a lie.

 

Obama's overall point is not negated because "OMG - it's JUST one bankruptcy a MINUTE caused by the crippling cost of healthcare, not TWO a minute!" I mean, Jesus focking Christ, one banktruptcy an HOUR due to crippling medical bills is pretty focking staggering, no?

 

Man, that's a reach. Out of all the lies we've heard over the last 8 years, this, THIS is what you come up with to be mad about? It's like when Obama said we invented the car and some of the dimmer witted guys here were all . - "But but you got mad at Bush for saying lies - it's the SAME THING!"

 

...and you wonder why we think you're stupid.

I guess you missed the part about Harvard's study being grossly exaggerated AND that fact that this study was debunked shortly after it was released.

[GettnHuge 2]

I mean seriously guys, in the context of "lying". Saying we KNOW where the WMD's are! - To get us into a war that turned out to be completely uncessary - THAT's a lie.

 

and Clinton said

"Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons."

and

"This situation presents a clear and present danger to the stability of the Persian Gulf and the safety of people everywhere."

and

"The hard fact is that so long as Saddam remains in power, he threatens the well-being of his people, the peace of his region, the security of the world. "

and

"Heavy as they are, the costs of action must be weighed against the price of inaction. If Saddam defies the world and we fail to respond, we will face a far greater threat in the future."

and

"mark my words, he will develop weapons of mass destruction. He will deploy them, and he will use them. "

 

but he wasn't lying or exaggerating or anything.

[Sho Nuff 720]

How do I know when he is lying?

posty adds 3 more threads to the board?

the right wing hacks all jump at it...the left wing hacks all diffuse deflect and bring up Bush...and so on.

[surferskin 31]

How do I know when he is lying?

posty adds 3 more threads to the board?

the right wing hacks all jump at it...the left wing hacks all diffuse deflect and bring up Bush...and so on.

Yeah, we're all hack for having a opinion and you're not for posting in this thread with nothing to say?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Yeah, we're all hack for having a opinion and you're not for posting in this thread with nothing to say?

 

Not all of you are hacks...but some definitely are.

Whats to say...its the same crap no matter who is in office.

They are all lying sacks of shiite.

 

What I see is a group of people on these boards whining nonstop about one side or the other and rarely, if ever, do any of you get involved. At least CMH gets involved.

How many here have actually written or called a congressman? Worked on a campaign or at least tried to do anything?

You think posting on this site is going to accomplish anything?

[buffalobillsffl2003 0]

He sounds like the ped on Family Guy.

 

we're going to ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssstem the tide of job..ssssssss losssssssssssssssssssssessssssssssssss

 

where'ssssssssssssssssssssssssss barney frank...offtofuckmorecongreshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhunul.......pagessssssssssssssssss

 

 

[surferskin 31]

Not all of you are hacks...but some definitely are.

Whats to say...its the same crap no matter who is in office.

They are all lying sacks of shiite.

 

What I see is a group of people on these boards whining nonstop about one side or the other and rarely, if ever, do any of you get involved. At least CMH gets involved.

How many here have actually written or called a congressman? Worked on a campaign or at least tried to do anything?

You think posting on this site is going to accomplish anything?

No, I haven't written my congressman yet but I'm definitely starting to think it's a good idea. Things are focked up and getting worse.

 

As for is posting here going to accomplish anything...no but when has that ever been the point of posting at the geek club?

[Recliner Pilot 61]

How do I know when he is lying?

posty adds 3 more threads to the board?

the right wing hacks all jump at it...the left wing hacks all diffuse deflect and bring up Bush...and so on.

 

 

........and Slo Nuff shows up to about all of it.

[Sho Nuff 720]

........and Slo Nuff shows up to about all of it.

 

And RP tags along to cry about my post cause he knows its true.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

And RP tags along to cry about my post cause he knows its true.

 

Nope. Just mocking you.