3rd Round Commentary

[Jetdoc 20]

So, the run on WR's has started in the early-to-mid 2nd round. I wonder if that will continue into the third round, or will the RB rule the day?

[remote controller 143]

Silence

[remote controller 143]

oops! I should have posted this here.

 

 

One other player was really trying to distract me here, but I went with my lists. Roddy's production should improve this year for a few reasons, #1 being his second year with his Qb, and another the general improvement of this squad. They have the running threat to help take the pressure off of the passing game, and this should keep Roddy open and dangerous. There are other things involved too, that I will have to get into later. Roddy was my #8 receiver overall. I considered Brown, but was glad Clash took him. My RB first and foremost mentality needs to be kept in check with the current state of Rbbc in the NFL.

[remote controller 143]

Hard to believe this is true, but it will take more Manning for the Colts to win this year, and Manning is up to the task! This is my #1 QB this year, ahead of Bree's and Brady. Third round pick for what used to cost a round 1 corner aint' bad. I just couldn't pull the trigger. Nice grab Bomb!

[Da Bomb 0]

peyton is a pick i would hate to make, and hes a pick that is going to drive me crazy and make me regret picking him EVERY single time i pick someone the rest of the way. and then when we got to the season, id be stuck with him. and by the end of the year, he'd make me very very glad i invested the pick.

 

manning had everything going against him last year with injuries to his center and OL, his RBs, and his receiving targets, not to mention pretty significant knee injuries of his own. he struggled a good deal out of the gate, and he also didnt really play week 17. and yet he finished AGAIN with 4000 yards passing and 27 TDs and only 12 picks. compare that to his average over the previous three seasons (up to, but not including, the record year): 4061 yards, 30 TDs, 11 INTs. so.... everything went wrong all season long, and manning lost 3 TDs off of his usual pace and thats IT.

 

the guy is as consistent and stable as they come. he has finished in the top 3 fantasy QBs all but two times since the year 2000, and his other finishes were 4th and 6th. granted the 6th was last season but that was due more to a few outlier seasons above him. chalk him up for 4000+ and 30+ again with very few negatives against him. like i said, im going to hate how it affects my draft, with no WRs in a 3-wr league until 4.10 (at least). but all season long id have myself as good of a QB/RB/RB punch as could be had in a league like this and that would hold pretty strong.

 

QBs do not often win you fantasy games on their own, but they can really really screw you and cost you games. im almost always a wait-on-QB guy but got killed by that in almost every league last year with all the injuries and underperformers, and it cost me a lot of games. mannings not going to put up a goose egg. hes not been available in the 3rd round of drafts since somwehere in the 90s, and i think hes finally a good value if he falls there this year.

[Jetdoc 20]

I was going to take him at 3.05 if he slipped any further. Manning's a great value in the 3rd round.

[Da Bomb 0]

there was one WR i really wanted to take, who im sure will go in the next 3 picks max, but i couldnt pass on manning's consistency for him.

[Da Bomb 0]

i wonder if this means i FINALLY made a pick fumble will like.

[Jetdoc 20]

If you took Brady in the 1st, Brees in the 2nd and Manning in the 3rd, I think Fumble have a hard time getting up from his desk.

[JScott 20]

Good pick Bomb, and it validates (at least for me) taking one of the top 3 QBs (Manning, Brees, Brady) with my second pick as I was pretty sure none of them would make it to 3.08.

[Fumbleweed 545]

i wonder if this means i FINALLY made a pick fumble will like.

 

I like all three of your picks. I'd be very happy with those three guys to start off a draft.

[Da Bomb 0]

Good pick Bomb, and it validates (at least for me) taking one of the top 3 QBs (Manning, Brees, Brady) with my second pick as I was pretty sure none of them would make it to 3.08.

 

not with fumble having 2 picks before you got to go again...

[Da Bomb 0]

I like all three of your picks. I'd be very happy with those three guys to start off a draft.

 

thanks. im extremely happy with the start, just not too sure where its going to take me from there.

[JScott 20]

not with fumble having 2 picks before you got to go again...

 

Good point

[Fumbleweed 545]

Good point

 

No worries...I'm taking Mark Brunell at 3.06 anyway so that I will have Brees's backup in the fold!

[JScott 20]

Great, 10 members here and one of the two missing is otc

 

 

 

ETA: Correction, 11 members present and the only one not is otc

[Da Bomb 0]

Great, 10 members here and one of the two missing is otc

ETA: Correction, 11 members present and the only one not is otc

 

haha yeah i noticed that too. poor ace was here all morning too. probably just at lunch.

 

btw now that im not travelling, im open to receiving email picks from anyone mostly any time of the day at brandon.c.anderson @ wheaton . edu if it will help streamline things. also dont mind texting if needed.

[Ace08 11]

Sorry guys...corporate lunch.

 

Happy to get Colston here....I had him and Jennings on my wish list so getting one of the two ain't bad.

[Da Bomb 0]

and colston is the guy i wouldve taken if not for manning. for the rest of the draft at every pick im going to see a QB i couldve talked myself into, and the wr im leaping with instead of colston. great. lol.

[Clash of the Titans 1]

i'll have some commentary tonite when i have time......i just have my blackberry personal phone logged into the site and am checking it frequently so i don't hold anyone up....so it looks like i am here but i a m not

 

 

ace08 stole my thunder about brown

 

went with the safe selection of boldin as my # 1 wr pick

 

the manning pick is good value but after last year's IBL experience of taking a qb early- NEVER AGAIN

 

i like jennings wanted him- good pick remote

 

HATE colston this year- especially after the microfracture surgery....

[remote controller 143]

As should be the case, my top 28 are gone.

[Da Bomb 0]

colston is a guy who pretty consistently averages around 1250/10 per 16 games played... but pretty consistently is injured and starts super slow too. and did he really have microfracture surgery? how did i miss that?

 

i actually hated the boldin/brown turn picks there. they are two guys that were not even on my radar with my pair of picks, both of them behind a pretty good handful of rbs and wrs.

 

i dont buy the ronnie brown love. the guy has pretty much put up 900 yards and 6 TDs a season with 35 catches for 250 yards for four straight years in the league, minus one off the charts game last year. yes, he does get an occasional TD pass now i suppose but thats not going to change much. this is a guy who has been consistently average throughout his career. he doesnt have a nose for the endzone, he doesnt get enough carries to get high yardage, hes never become a star receiving back as most predicted, and he consistently is banged up and dealing with one injury after another. even in last year's "breakout" campaign, he was only the #17 rb and his one game made up over 20% of his fantasy points, or else he'd have been the #25 rb. which seems about right, since he was the #27, #25, and #22 rb his previous three years in the league.

 

not buying the hype.

[Clash of the Titans 1]

colston is a guy who pretty consistently averages around 1250/10 per 16 games played... but pretty consistently is injured and starts super slow too. and did he really have microfracture surgery? how did i miss that?

 

i actually hated the boldin/brown turn picks there. they are two guys that were not even on my radar with my pair of picks, both of them behind a pretty good handful of rbs and wrs.

 

i dont buy the ronnie brown love. the guy has pretty much put up 900 yards and 6 TDs a season with 35 catches for 250 yards for four straight years in the league, minus one off the charts game last year. yes, he does get an occasional TD pass now i suppose but thats not going to change much. this is a guy who has been consistently average throughout his career. he doesnt have a nose for the endzone, he doesnt get enough carries to get high yardage, hes never become a star receiving back as most predicted, and he consistently is banged up and dealing with one injury after another. even in last year's "breakout" campaign, he was only the #17 rb and his one game made up over 20% of his fantasy points, or else he'd have been the #25 rb. which seems about right, since he was the #27, #25, and #22 rb his previous three years in the league.

 

not buying the hype.

 

Latest News

Saints | Colston underwent microfracture surgery in January (Fri May 22, 06:21 PM) - Mike Triplett, of the New Orleans Times-Picayune, reports the procedure New Orleans Saints WR Marques Colston (knee) had on his knee in January was a microfracture procedure to repair a small hole in his kneecap. He has been running on the practice field and should be at full speed during training camp.

 

Our View: Colston has now missed time in two of his three NFL seasons, and a shoulder injury that cost him a season in college was part of the reason his draft stock fell to the seventh round. Microfracture surgery isn't as risky as it used to be, but it's still reason to pause if you're considering Colston in the late second round

 

 

why do you not like boldin....quite simply i feel i can get the same production out of him as fitzgerald and he can be had for two rounds later......

[Jetdoc 20]

I had Colston pretty even with Bowe this year, but wasn't really excited about either. I might regret this pick later when I see how the rest of the 3rd round and 4th rounds go.

 

...and Fumble took the guy that I was debating about. At least I know I wasn't far off on Grant's value.

[Da Bomb 0]

yikes, cross colston off my list.

 

i dont hate boldin, i just dont like him enough to be on any of my teams this year:

1) all the offseason garbage reminds me an awful lot of __ and __ last year (names cant be said yet because they sucked so bad last year that they dropped a couple rounds this year)

2) cant ever stay healthy, no matter how fluky the sinus thing was

3) average fantasy season is 1100/7, good but not great, and not comprable to fitz

4) fitz really broke out last year and has become #1 in that offense, no longer 1a and 1b imo, especially with how Q has been acting up this offseason

5) who knows if he holds out, or where he ends up playing? his value drops significantly on at least half of the other teams in the league

 

dont hate him, just enough warning flags to avoid him and cross him off my list with comprables available.

 

liked the ryan grant pick a lot. i was contemplating whether id take steve smith at 2.10 if he fell (i wouldve probably), knowing that id probably miss barber and have to pick grant or ____ at 3.3. not sure yet what id have decided, but think grant is a pretty good, steady rb2 type.

[remote controller 143]

I was on the fence on Bowe this year. I just don't know how to explain it yet. lol! I loved the Grant grab here, and had a hard time staying off of him at 3.02. I might regret that decision in a dozen a nd a half picks.

[Da Bomb 0]

not sure what to make of bowe. his numbers arent THAT great to be going this high. he lost gonzo. he gained cassell. does he have rapport with the new qb? does a real qb mean his numbers go up? does losing gonzo mean more targets or more double teams? probably a guy i avoid this year. seems like someone who will bounce in and out of the top 20 but could really go either way.

[Ace08 11]

I didn't know Colston had microfracture surgery...

 

Given that, it's a mock draft in June. Obviously this is a situation to monitor before our real drafts but for the purposes of this mock I'll work under the assumption Colston starts the year healthy. If the real draft were today, and knowing now that he had microfracture I would have taken Bowe here instead. Either way I would have filled my WR2 slot.

[remote controller 143]

I feel Colston could be the 3rd receiving option in New Orleans now.

[remote controller 143]

not sure what to make of bowe. his numbers arent THAT great to be going this high. he lost gonzo. he gained cassell. does he have rapport with the new qb? does a real qb mean his numbers go up? does losing gonzo mean more targets or more double teams? probably a guy i avoid this year. seems like someone who will bounce in and out of the top 20 but could really go either way.

This is what I was talking about above, I just didn't want to drop the names. They gained nothing at QB as these two are carbon copies of each other.

[JScott 20]

10 members on again, and the guy otc is missing again

[Jetdoc 20]

not sure what to make of bowe. his numbers arent THAT great to be going this high. he lost gonzo. he gained cassell. does he have rapport with the new qb? does a real qb mean his numbers go up? does losing gonzo mean more targets or more double teams? probably a guy i avoid this year. seems like someone who will bounce in and out of the top 20 but could really go either way.

 

Not sure about that...I think he has very good upside, almost Calvin Johnson-esque from last year.

 

Definitely has questions about him going into the season, but all of the points you made above seem to point to the probability of that upside, and not some tangible downsides. I like players like that for some reason.

[Jetdoc 20]

They gained nothing at QB as these two are carbon copies of each other.

 

Cassell is a carbon copy of Thigpen? Really?

 

I'm pretty certain we're safe in talking about those two, as they are likely not going in the draft in the next round or so.

[JScott 20]

Detroit Lions jokes aside, I'm happy to get K.Smith here. 1250/8 as a rook (#18), he should only see those numbers go up in 2009. The addition of MoMo doesn't bother me as he'll be a backup and not RBBC. The lions have made some solid progress this off-season (did I just say that). With a lighter Cpep and Stafford plus CJ the passing game should improve making a little more room for KS to run. I like him for 1350/10 this season which should put him near the top 10

[remote controller 143]

Cassell is a carbon copy of Thigpen? Really?

 

I'm pretty certain we're safe in talking about those two, as they are likely not going in the draft in the next round or so.

I thought they were eerily similar to eachother, in their mobility, and the way they both came on at the same time. I felt that Thigpen had 2 good weapons that he got better at using as the year went on, and I felt that Cassel got waaay more comfortable with his two weapons. There were a player or two that lobbied to keep Thigpen as #1 in KC for they felt he earned it. Think of the system and the players Cassel had to work with. Will he be just as adept now in KC minus a big link there??

[Fumbleweed 545]

A few thoughts:

 

1. The Ryan Grant pick is o.k. with me, but I had Kevin Smith projected just a tad higher. I just couldn't bring myself to have a backfield consisting of the starting RBs for both the Rams and the Lions. Both teams could be awful. As such, Grant seemed to be the safer pick.

 

2. I like my team so far, but I'd rather have Bomb's team. The two mirror each other...

 

Bomb: Peyton Manning, Maurice Jones-Drew, Marion Barber

Me: Drew Brees, Steven Jackson, Ryan Grant

 

To me, both RBs he has are an upgrade over what I've got. Not much of an upgrade, but some. I do like Brees better than Manning this year, but I would actually trade teams if I could. Just goes to show that drafting position matters.

 

Like I said, I like the Kevin Smith pick. He'd have been my guy if Steven Jackson wasn't already on my team.

 

FWIW: I think this is a little early for Witten.

[remote controller 143]

A few thoughts:

 

1. The Ryan Grant pick is o.k. with me, but I had Kevin Smith projected just a tad higher. I just couldn't bring myself to have a backfield consisting of the starting RBs for both the Rams and the Lions. Both teams could be awful. As such, Grant seemed to be the safer pick.

 

2. I like my team so far, but I'd rather have Bomb's team. The two mirror each other...

 

Bomb: Peyton Manning, Maurice Jones-Drew, Marion Barber

Me: Drew Brees, Steven Jackson, Ryan Grant

 

To me, both RBs he has are an upgrade over what I've got. Not much of an upgrade, but some. I do like Brees better than Manning this year, but I would actually trade teams if I could. Just goes to show that drafting position matters.

 

Like I said, I like the Kevin Smith pick. He'd have been my guy if Steven Jackson wasn't already on my team.

 

FWIW: I think this is a little early for Witten.

MJD over Sjax for sure, but I feel your players stack up pretty good after that. I like Bomb's start too. Both of your teams have the pieces in place, and they should look real good now. It's the next picks where things will start to even out as Bomb alluded to. I felt Barber hurt his standing in Dallas last year, and he will be part of a bigger RBBC then ever. Felix didn't catch many passes last year but he didn't play much either. Choice might likely be the best choice for 1st and 2nd downs, with the other two changing the pace. It won't happen unless barber struggles again, but he did succeed at it when given the oppurtunity.

[JScott 20]

10 members on again, and the guy otc is missing again

 

This is just a cruel joke right.... what is it with guys going otc and disappearing while everyone else is present

[JScott 20]

This is just a cruel joke right.... what is it with guys going otc and disappearing while everyone else is present

robb's back

[Vikings4ever 550]

robb's back

But it looks like Falco headed out.