6th Round Commentary

[Jetdoc 20]

Almost halfway through!

[Da Bomb 0]

tony gonzalez in the 6th round is simply highway robbery. i think most of y'all forgot this is a TE-mandatory league. gonzo would be a steal there even if they werent!

[Jetdoc 20]

Yeah - he was the guy that I was about to take at 5.05, but decided to go the QB route. Very insane value at that point, especially with the ATL offense looking pretty bright.

[Vikings4ever 550]

Yes, he's a year older, but Gonzo has shown no sign of slowing down. Plus a good TE is a young QB's best friend.

 

I don't think he'll match his TD numbers from last year, but I think he can match his yardage numbers.

[JScott 20]

tony gonzalez in the 6th round is simply highway robbery. i think most of y'all forgot this is a TE-mandatory league. gonzo would be a steal there even if they werent!

 

This is who I thought Fumble should have taken with his 5th rather than Wells.

 

As for Gonzo being a steal here... I think mid to late 5th is about right. Players switching teams usually scare me away or at least devalue them more than most. Plus I think the TE pool is a bit deeper than usual and the difference between the usual top 4 TEs is much smaller than in the past.

[remote controller 143]

tony gonzalez in the 6th round is simply highway robbery. i think most of y'all forgot this is a TE-mandatory league. gonzo would be a steal there even if they werent!

I almost took him instead of McNabb at 5.02. I have him rated higher than Gates. Bothe Gates and Gonzo were great grabs in this TE required mock.

 

Nice Corner V4E!!

[ShaneFalco 0]

I was happy to get Rivers at 5.11, but I wasn't really satisfied with Ward at 6.02. Maybe he will have success as the starter in Tampa, but I was hoping Larry would fall further.

[Fumbleweed 547]

This is who I thought Fumble should have taken with his 5th rather than Wells.

 

As for Gonzo being a steal here... I think mid to late 5th is about right. Players switching teams usually scare me away or at least devalue them more than most. Plus I think the TE pool is a bit deeper than usual and the difference between the usual top 4 TEs is much smaller than in the past.

 

A couple of comments about that...

 

I'm not huge on Tony G this year. I think Roddy White is Ryan's guy in the red zone and I think as such, Tony will get less work there than many think. I think they'll look to him to move the chains in a possession sort of role and that White will still be the big-play guy. I also feel that TE is deep this year and I like a number of guys who I can get later.

 

Second, my decision not to reach for a WR is paying off. Since I picked Wells at 5.06, only one WR (Cotchery) has been picked. I'm likely going to get the exact same WR in the sixth that I would have had to reach for in the fifth.

[remote controller 143]

With Romo gone, the tier of Qb's I was targeting is tapped out. I am glad I grabbed my guy. I love the Clark pick. This should be another good year for him.

[JScott 20]

Wow, a target finally made it to me.... very happy to grab Clark here. He has quietly moved into the top TE group over the last 2 season IMO. As long as Manning is at the helm we know Indy will throw, and Clark is a favorite target. He's to quick to be covered by most LBs and due to match up issues seems to always be open down the middle. While I do think the TE pool is deep this year, I also think there are more question marks to go along with the depth. Clark is as steady a TE as there is and gets top TE numbers.

[Jetdoc 20]

Email sent to the King.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Wow, a target finally made it to me.... very happy to grab Clark here. He has quietly moved into the top TE group over the last 2 season IMO. As long as Manning is at the helm we know Indy will throw, and Clark is a favorite target. He's to quick to be covered by most LBs and due to match up issues seems to always be open down the middle. While I do think the TE pool is deep this year, I also think there are more question marks to go along with the depth. Clark is as steady a TE as there is and gets top TE numbers.

I had targeted Romo and Clark at this spot. Both were still there, so I flipped a coin. I actually had filled in Clark in my selection in the thread, but changed my mind last minute.

 

ETA: I had Rivers targeted in Round 5, but in building a team, I don't like to have a QB and a RB on the same team. I don't have a problem with QB/WR combos, but QB/RB combos make me nervous.

[Da Bomb 0]

if i didnt take manning at 3.3, i was planning to take romo at 5.3 and move forward with things. i know i say this every year, but i cant believe how late all of the QBs are going in this draft.

 

at this point in a real draft, and in the last 6 picks, i wouldve been trying like crazy to trade up for the WR i really want and almost took at 5.3. im sure hes going to get taken in the last 4 picks before me. oh well.

[JScott 20]

I had targeted Romo and Clark at this spot. Both were still there, so I flipped a coin. I actually had filled in Clark in my selection in the thread, but changed my mind last minute.

 

Both good value at this point, but I'm glad you took Romo because with Brady already on my roster it was Clark or plan C

[Da Bomb 0]

fumble's about to take my guy right here. callin it.

[Fumbleweed 547]

fumble's about to take my guy right here. callin it.

 

I doubt it. I doubt many other people are as high as Berrian as I am.

 

I think Rosenfels is going to win that job (assuming Favre stays retired) and I think Berrian will build upon what he did last year. In a PPR league, Berrian's not as valuable because he isn't going to be a high catch guy. But, it's amazing how many deep balls were thrown to him last year in which he had his man beat, but the pass was poor.

 

I think 65 catches, 1,080 yards and 9 TDs is within reason, making him a solid #2 WR in a non-PPR format.

[remote controller 143]

I doubt it. I doubt many other people are as high as Berrian as I am.

 

I think Rosenfels is going to win that job (assuming Favre stays retired) and I think Berrian will build upon what he did last year. In a PPR league, Berrian's not as valuable because he isn't going to be a high catch guy. But, it's amazing how many deep balls were thrown to him last year in which he had his man beat, but the pass was poor.

 

I think 65 catches, 1,080 yards and 9 TDs is within reason, making him a solid #2 WR in a non-PPR format.

You picked me, though I'm am a few picks away. Nice grab!

[NAn 39]

Looks like I missed out; great commentary as always; and VERY interesting picks.

 

Sorry missed it boys...just some stuff had to take care of.

 

I'll be adding some general commentary later as things have settled down a bit, but I can honestly say this looks to be one of those years where the 1st rnd, heck even the 2nd rnd, could be WIDELY different from one draft to the next.

 

This will be where knowing other owners favorites/tendencies/etc. could give you a big leg up if you are allowed to trade picks. i.e. I'm thinking consensus is similar to this mock that Deangelo will fall, so if could trade down and still get him could really maximize your draft/picks if you like him.

 

Right off bat my suggestion would be to have a 'summer summit' for your league: make it a poker night maybe, or excuse to go over rule changes for upcoming year. Then let the beer flow and pull on ears of fellow owners (who you know after a few drinks will be ITCHING to tell you who they like don't like).

 

I know that's not rocket science, but it's something that again, this year, could really benefit. folks.

 

Will add more later, but off top of my head:

 

Way too early for Boldin...if you like him that much Ace and you get a similar spot then trade down and maximize picks.

 

I hope others are down on Deangelo as I'll be all over him that late.

 

And would love the Deangelo/Slaton combo...nice.

 

If you like him likely will ahve to get him there but a bit early for moss and brady...aside from him coming back and being a question I'll say it again: there's a reason season's like Brady had and Manning had a few years earlier are RECORD BREAKING years....they just don't happen very often and if you look at this history Manning/Warner/Marino all fell down to earth year after.

 

I'm thru drinking the Sjax koolaid, I know that's about right for him, but really based on what? one year where he really was an impact (and even that year, many were expecting much more)? every year there's some excuse and some are valid...but there comes a point where you look at what a player has done v what he's always projected to do and come to a realization.

 

think that is solid value for Brees and will pay off better than Brady.

 

Love the Brown/Barber picks in 2nd...ijust great value and really could see Brown perform like a 1st rnder. Initially I thought end of draft would be nice with the combo of RBs that can be had, but what clash and bomb did with their first 2 picks was nice.

[remote controller 143]

I'll be adding some general commentary later as things have settled down a bit, but I can honestly say this looks to be one of those years where the 1st rnd, heck even the 2nd rnd, could be WIDELY different from one draft to the next.

Tru dat! Thanks for stopping in a commenting.

[remote controller 143]

Thank God! Only 2 more picks to sit through and one of my 3 got thru. #3 isn't as good a 1 and 2 though.

[remote controller 143]

take your pick Bomb!

[Fumbleweed 547]

I like the Stewart pick, though I haven't looked yet how he fits with your overall roster, Jet...just think his upside is ridiculous if something were to happen to DeAngelo Williams.

 

Not a fan of Kellen Winslow. I would guess his ADP is about right here, but I'll be passing on him in any and all drafts.

[Ace08 11]

I know I'm going to be in the minority on this one...but I didn't even want to chance losing him on the turn. I think Kellen Winslow is going to have a monster year in Tampa. Knowing I could probably get him in this spot is the reason I passed on both Gates and Tony G in the earlier round since I didn't think I could get a WR # comparable to DeSean Jackson at the time.

 

Once again I know I'm in the minority on this one but he's my #2 rated TE for this year behind Witten. He's finally healthy and the Bucs are planning to feature him in that offense. Disgusting talent and he's still only 25 years old. Best is yet to come with this kid.

[Jetdoc 20]

That's why I took him...as my RB3 behind Turner, hopefully either Stewart or Moreno pans out to be a nice stud this year.

[remote controller 143]

Bomb vanished!! I'll be back in 20.

[Da Bomb 0]

cant believe i almost took lee evans at 5.3 and then he fell all the way to 6.10 twenty picks later. i didnt expect that, though i did think not many WRs would go before i picked again and was rewarded for my patience.

 

i think lee evans is going to have a huge boost in value this year to his team. i believe he is almost the perfect complement to TO with his ridiculous speed. for years (his entire career) he has had literally no one else on that team that can do anything with the ball as a receiver, so teams have been doubling him with the safety over the top time and time again. TO takes that opportunity away, and in many ways marshawn lynch should add to that as well bringing a cheating safety up toward the box. lee evans is going to catch a few extra long balls this year that he slips past coverage on where in the past another safety wouldve been there instead. i think hes going to be a 125 point at very worst (think 1000/4) which would put him around the #25 wr spot, but more likely id say something like 1200+ yards and 6-8 TDs which could leave him nibbling on that top 10 group.

 

heck even last year, this is a guy that was on pace for 1200/6 and a top 15 finish the first half of the season before really disappearing a lot in the second half. i dont think he'll ever turn into the wr we all once hoped for, but i think this could be his best year as a pro, and i actually think he'll outperform TO as a fantasy player straight up.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

cant believe i almost took lee evans at 5.3 and then he fell all the way to 6.10 twenty picks later. i didnt expect that, though i did think not many WRs would go before i picked again and was rewarded for my patience.

 

i think lee evans is going to have a huge boost in value this year to his team. i believe he is almost the perfect complement to TO with his ridiculous speed. for years (his entire career) he has had literally no one else on that team that can do anything with the ball as a receiver, so teams have been doubling him with the safety over the top time and time again. TO takes that opportunity away, and in many ways marshawn lynch should add to that as well bringing a cheating safety up toward the box. lee evans is going to catch a few extra long balls this year that he slips past coverage on where in the past another safety wouldve been there instead. i think hes going to be a 125 point at very worst (think 1000/4) which would put him around the #25 wr spot, but more likely id say something like 1200+ yards and 6-8 TDs which could leave him nibbling on that top 10 group.

 

heck even last year, this is a guy that was on pace for 1200/6 and a top 15 finish the first half of the season before really disappearing a lot in the second half. i dont think he'll ever turn into the wr we all once hoped for, but i think this could be his best year as a pro, and i actually think he'll outperform TO as a fantasy player straight up.

 

I would have taken him at either 5.09 or 6.04 if I had not already taken TO.

[Fumbleweed 547]

cant believe i almost took lee evans at 5.3 and then he fell all the way to 6.10 twenty picks later. i didnt expect that, though i did think not many WRs would go before i picked again and was rewarded for my patience.

 

i think lee evans is going to have a huge boost in value this year to his team. i believe he is almost the perfect complement to TO with his ridiculous speed. for years (his entire career) he has had literally no one else on that team that can do anything with the ball as a receiver, so teams have been doubling him with the safety over the top time and time again. TO takes that opportunity away, and in many ways marshawn lynch should add to that as well bringing a cheating safety up toward the box. lee evans is going to catch a few extra long balls this year that he slips past coverage on where in the past another safety wouldve been there instead. i think hes going to be a 125 point at very worst (think 1000/4) which would put him around the #25 wr spot, but more likely id say something like 1200+ yards and 6-8 TDs which could leave him nibbling on that top 10 group.

 

heck even last year, this is a guy that was on pace for 1200/6 and a top 15 finish the first half of the season before really disappearing a lot in the second half. i dont think he'll ever turn into the wr we all once hoped for, but i think this could be his best year as a pro, and i actually think he'll outperform TO as a fantasy player straight up.

 

I've got Evans a little below Berrian due to fewer TDs...but it's a good pick. I've had Evans on real FF teams before and it's hard for me to want to ever pick him again no matter what logic tells me. Still, it's a solid pick for you. A very, very good #3 WR to have.

[Fumbleweed 547]

Except he's your #2 WR....

 

Man, our teams are mirroring each other with the exception of your Gates pick.

[remote controller 143]

I texted Clash. I was happy to land Moss as my Wr3. I considered three for this spot, and Bomb narrowed it down taking Evans. I was torn and have them dead even.

[Jetdoc 20]

I was hoping Evans would swing back around the corner, so I gambled on taking Stewart.

 

Looks like I gambled wrong. Nice pick...very high on Evans this year.

[Da Bomb 0]

I've got Evans a little below Berrian due to fewer TDs...but it's a good pick. I've had Evans on real FF teams before and it's hard for me to want to ever pick him again no matter what logic tells me. Still, it's a solid pick for you. A very, very good #3 WR to have.

 

i feel your pain on this one. i seem to end up with 1 of him every year in some league. this year it just makes sense though. he is too good, too fast to be covered one on one. i think its the best WR that has ever played across from TO, at that point of each wr's career.

 

our teams really do mirror one another except that you have the high upside RB3. im pretty happy to get 85 and evans as my top 2 WRs considering all of the other early investments. and i am very happy with who im going to get at 7.3 as well. there are four guys still there all of whom i expected to be picking between at 6.10 and 7.3. gut check time to try to decide whether to get that usable RB3 or try to add an exclamation point with the last WR starter.

[remote controller 143]

I have an Electrical inspection to do. Be back in 20.

[Fumbleweed 547]

very high on Evans this year.

 

I have uttered these words (sadly) many times before when it truly mattered.

[Ace08 11]

Not a fan of Evans, especially not in this format. I think T.O still has one good dominant year in him and will get the majority of the targets.

[remote controller 143]

I am in communication with Clash. Tessa is helping him via text, and will pick shortly.

[Da Bomb 0]

Not a fan of Evans, especially not in this format. I think T.O still has one good dominant year in him and will get the majority of the targets.

 

curious about that. what format makes him more valuable? the only other one i can think of is PPR and he certainly isnt more valuable in that.

[Vikings4ever 550]

curious about that. what format makes him more valuable? the only other one i can think of is PPR and he certainly isnt more valuable in that.

He'd be more valuable in the June Mock's No Hassle format (everyone gets their best possible line up), where his crappy weeks aren't counted (unless your other WRs also had crappy weeks), but his explosive weeks do.

[Ace08 11]

curious about that. what format makes him more valuable? the only other one i can think of is PPR and he certainly isnt more valuable in that.

 

You're right...probably what I should have said there is that this format makes him even less valuable than what I already perceive him. Either way I wouldn't draft him this year, especially in this spot. There's at least a couple of receivers still on the board who I feel offer more upside at this point. If one of those 2 makes it back to me and I get to pick him I'll explain more in detail.