Dynasty Trade

[Matts Eagles 25]

I give

 

Tom Brady and Maclin

 

and get

 

DeAngelo Williams, Earl Bennett, Josh Freeman

 

 

PPR League

 

Start 1 QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1RB/WR, 1 TE/WR, 1 K, 2 DL, 2 DS

 

 

My team

 

QB

Tom Brady (NE)

Matt Ryan (ATL)

Kerry Collins (TEN)

 

RB

Leon Washington (NYJ)

Tim Hightower (ARI)

Brian Leonard (Cin)

Danny Ware (NYG)

Rashad Jennings (JAC)

Andre Brown (NYG)

Bernard Scott (CIN)

 

WR

Anthony Gonzalez (IND)

Steve Breaston (ARI)

Joey Galloway (NE)

Johnnie Lee Higgins (OAK)

Jeremy Maclin (PHI)

Kenny Britt (TEN)

Ramses Barden (NYG)

Jarett Dillard (JAC)

 

TE

Antonio Gates (SD)

Kevin Boss (NYG)

Anthony Fasano (MIA)

Cornelius Ingram (PHI)

 

K

Kris Brown (HOU)

 

DL

Jerod Mayo (NE)

Jason Jones (TEN)

James Laurinaitis (STL)

 

DB

Ed Reed (BAL)

Leon Hall (CIN

 

 

His team

 

QB

Tony Romo (DAL)

Vince Young (TEN)

Tarvaris Jackson (MIN)

John David Booty (MIN)

Josh Freeman (TB)

 

RB

Adrian Peterson (MIN)

Chester Taylor (MIN)

DeAngelo Williams (CAR)

Larry Johnson (KC)

Jerious Norwood (ATL)

Jamaal Charles (KC)

Patrick Cobbs (MIA)

 

WR

Justin Gage (TEN)

Kevin Walter (HOU)

Patrick Crayton (DAL)

Hank Baskett (PHI)

Ernest Wilford (MIA)

Earl Bennett (CHI)

Andre Caldwell (CIN)

David Clowney (NYJ)

Glenn Holt (MIN)

Michael Crabtree (SF)

Mohamed Massaquoi (CLE)

 

TE

Visanthe Shiancoe (MIN)

Steve Heiden (CLE)

 

K

Nate Kaeding (SD)

 

DL

Osi Umenyiora (NYG)

Thomas Davis (CAR)

Kevin Williams (MIN)

 

DB

Michael Griffin (TEN)

Madieu Williams (MIN)

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver 0]

Replace Josh Freeman with Larry Johnson and I'd say pull the trigger. YOu are in a tough spot cause you have absolutely no RB's. How did this happen? You don't even have one starter at RB.

[madd futher mucker 36]

Pull Maclin and Bennett from the trade. He needs Brady (who is ranked the #1 QB in many dynasty rankings) as bad or worse than you need DeAngelo. Deangelo is ranked somewhere in the top 10 RBs but not close to #1.

 

So offer (or counter-offer) Brady for DeAngelo and Freeman. Period. He's stupid if he doesn't pull the trigger. IMO Maclin has far more potential dynasty value than Bennett. So if you do the trade as is, I say you are giving up too much.

[Matts Eagles 25]

Pull Maclin and Bennett from the trade. He needs Brady (who is ranked the #1 QB in many dynasty rankings) as bad or worse than you need DeAngelo. Deangelo is ranked somewhere in the top 10 RBs but not close to #1.

 

So offer (or counter-offer) Brady for DeAngelo and Freeman. Period. He's stupid if he doesn't pull the trigger. IMO Maclin has far more potential dynasty value than Bennett. So if you do the trade as is, I say you are giving up too much.

 

I just took over this team mid last year.

 

I moved my only RB Stephan Jackson before he got injured for Gates, Anthony Gonzalez and Hightower.

 

I had tons of picks for Rookie draft

 

He has been consistent in trying to get both Brady and Maclin. I will counter but I am sure he will try the onld line that DeAngelo was the Top fantasy RB.. Then I will tell him that he will share carries with Stewart (i heard he was slightly injured though). He will say Brady is coming off an injury too.

 

We shall see.

 

I have had some whopper of deals though people just really trying to rip me off: (this one was a laugher)

 

I get:

 

Rice, Choice, Cutler, Brandon .Jones, Shawn Nelson (TE Buf) and his 1st

 

 

I give Hightower, Gonzalez, Brady, Gates and Collins

[madd futher mucker 36]

Suit yourself, but I'd hang tough. Time is on your side. There is plenty of time to trade, and plenty of other RBs to trade for that are of equal caliber. Don't establish yourself as an easy mark. Look at it from the point of view of HIS QBs.. If he turns down your counter-offer, tell him that when he comes to his senses, you might still be willing to do the counter-offer deal you proposed.....unless you do a fairer RB trade for Brady with someone else first.

 

I would NEVER be desperate enough to do the trade as he proposed it. Especially this time of year. You can likely make a better deal for a quality RB elsewhere.

[WhiteWonder 3,020]

Pull Maclin and Bennett from the trade. He needs Brady (who is ranked the #1 QB in many dynasty rankings) as bad or worse than you need DeAngelo. Deangelo is ranked somewhere in the top 10 RBs but not close to #1.

 

So offer (or counter-offer) Brady for DeAngelo and Freeman. Period. He's stupid if he doesn't pull the trigger. IMO Maclin has far more potential dynasty value than Bennett. So if you do the trade as is, I say you are giving up too much.

 

his starting QB is Romo and Matt's needs to start 2 RB's at least and doesn't currently have one that starts or even should put up top 15 production and you think the other guy needs Brady more than he needs DeAngelo?

[Gepetto 1,483]

I actually like the trade for you. But I wouldn't let him have it. Make him trade for Tom Brady separately from trading for Maclin. I'd actually keep Maclin and offer him Tom Brady for DeAngelo Williams. Maybe offer Tom Brady for DeAngelo Williams and Josh Freeman. Then maybe he will counter with DeAngelo Williams for Tom Brady and then you take it.

[jdon 28]

I just took over this team mid last year.

 

I moved my only RB Stephan Jackson before he got injured for Gates, Anthony Gonzalez and Hightower.

 

wow... that was terrible...

 

wow...

 

just wow...

 

 

you should be able to get something better for brady but who knows?

[Matts Eagles 25]

wow... that was terrible...

 

wow...

 

just wow...

you should be able to get something better for brady but who knows?

 

 

He does not want to do the Dwill for Brady trade.

 

 

I told him i would throw in one of these players.

 

Barden, Fasano, Boss, Galloway, Dillard, or Higgins.

 

 

 

My other trade offer at this time is: just countered with this (he changed Brandon Jones to Steve Smith

 

 

get:

 

Rice, Choice, Cutler, Steve Smith (NYG) Shawn Nelson (TE Buf) and his 1st

 

 

I give Hightower, Gonzalez, Brady, Gates and Collins

[enis_44 0]

Dude, based on that Jackson 50 cents on the dollar trade, you are on tilt. Take a breathe and a step back from the trade button. Brady has way more value than you are currently selling him for. It's clear to me that this other team has already established the upper hand in the deal, so I would pass completely, take some time, and find a much much better deal somewhere else. This is Tom Freaking Brady. That's 8-10 years of top 3 Qb production. He's probably a top 5 overall dynasty player. Don't sell him cheap cause you think you need to move him now.

 

Example: If it were me, and my only choice was to trade with the team you are talking about. I would accept nothing less than Romo and D-Will for Brady and a complete scrub.

[Dr. Octopus 0]

Suit yourself, but I'd hang tough. Time is on your side. There is plenty of time to trade, and plenty of other RBs to trade for that are of equal caliber. Don't establish yourself as an easy mark. Look at it from the point of view of HIS QBs..

 

You don't see Romo as a viable starter?

 

 

 

As to the OP, obvioulsy you know you have a lot of work to do with that team. I think its a pretty decent deal. Personally I think Bennett has similar upside to Maclin - but if you don't, like mfm says the guys may just make the move without those two guys in the deal.

[Dr. Octopus 0]

This is Tom Freaking Brady. That's 8-10 years of top 3 Qb production.

 

Brady is 32 and Moss is 33. Before he hooked up with Moss, Brady was still a Hall of Fame NFL QB but was merely a solid, not an elite fantasy QB.

 

I think you're over-rating his dynasty value a little. I don't doubt that he has 5-6 top end years left in him, but with Moss sure to slow down I don't think we get earth shattering numbers from Brady past the next two years.

 

I do agree though that the OP should push for Romo and D-Will for Brady and a marginal talented player like Hightower thrown in.

[krizay 0]

You can trade for Jesus Christ himself and still wouldn't win with this roster. I understand you took over mid year last year. My advice to you is just to back up and punt! Start from scratch.

 

Trade all your older players with value. Which only appears to be Brady and Gates. For younger talented players.

 

 

 

I'd try

 

Brady/Gates/Ed Reed

 

for

 

D-Will/Crabtree/Freeman

[krizay 0]

I just took over this team mid last year.

 

I moved my only RB Stephan Jackson before he got injured for Gates, Anthony Gonzalez and Hightower.

 

I had tons of picks for Rookie draft

 

He has been consistent in trying to get both Brady and Maclin. I will counter but I am sure he will try the onld line that DeAngelo was the Top fantasy RB.. Then I will tell him that he will share carries with Stewart (i heard he was slightly injured though). He will say Brady is coming off an injury too.

 

We shall see.

 

I have had some whopper of deals though people just really trying to rip me off: (this one was a laugher)

 

I get:

 

Rice, Choice, Cutler, Brandon .Jones, Shawn Nelson (TE Buf) and his 1st

I give Hightower, Gonzalez, Brady, Gates and Collins

 

Can you list the owner's team with Cutler and Rice?

[Matts Eagles 25]

Can you list the owner's team with Cutler and Rice?

 

 

He has just made a suggestion to change Nelson to Heap or Vernon Davis

 

So it would be

 

Cutler, Rice, Choice, Steve Smith or Ted Ginn Jr, Nelson or Vernon Davis or Todd Heap and a number 1

 

 

for

Brady, Gonzalez, Gates and Hightower

 

QB

Jay Cutler (CHI)

Luke McCown (TB)

 

RB

Clinton Portis (WAS)

Ryan Grant (GB)

Ray Rice (BAL)

Ladell Betts (WAS)

Brandon Jackson (GB)

Tashard Choice (DAL)

Chris Wells (ARI)

 

WR

Eddie Royal (DEN)

Ted Ginn Jr. (MIA)

Roy Williams (DAL)

Steve Smith (NYG)

Brandon Jones (SF)

Devin Thomas (WAS)

James Hardy (BUF)

Jerome Simpson (CIN)

Brandon Tate (NE)

Austin Collie (IND)

Brian Hartline (MIA)

 

TE

Vernon Davis (SF)

Todd Heap (BAL)

Shawn Nelson (BUF)

 

K

Neil Rackers (ARI)

 

DL

Ray Lewis (BAL)

Julian Peterson (DET)

 

DB

Josh Wilson (SEA)

Terrence McGee (BUF

[krizay 0]

He has just made a suggestion to change Nelson to Heap or Vernon Davis

 

So it would be

 

Cutler, Rice, Choice, Steve Smith or Ted Ginn Jr, Nelson or Vernon Davis or Todd Heap and a number 1

for

Brady, Gonzalez, Gates and Hightower

 

QB

Jay Cutler (CHI)

Luke McCown (TB)

 

RB

Clinton Portis (WAS)

Ryan Grant (GB)

Ray Rice (BAL)

Ladell Betts (WAS)

Brandon Jackson (GB)

Tashard Choice (DAL)

Chris Wells (ARI)

 

WR

Eddie Royal (DEN)

Ted Ginn Jr. (MIA)

Roy Williams (DAL)

Steve Smith (NYG)

Brandon Jones (SF)

Devin Thomas (WAS)

James Hardy (BUF)

Jerome Simpson (CIN)

Brandon Tate (NE)

Austin Collie (IND)

Brian Hartline (MIA)

 

TE

Vernon Davis (SF)

Todd Heap (BAL)

Shawn Nelson (BUF)

 

K

Neil Rackers (ARI)

 

DL

Ray Lewis (BAL)

Julian Peterson (DET)

 

DB

Josh Wilson (SEA)

Terrence McGee (BUF

 

 

Brady/ Collins/Gates/Hightower/Reed

 

Cutler/Rice/Royal

 

or

 

Cutler/Rice/Ginn and his #1

 

or try

 

Brady/ Collins/Gates/Reed/Gonzalez

 

for

 

Cutler/Rice/Beanie

[enis_44 0]

Dude, just take your finger off the trade button and come back in a month. Really.

[Ray_T 798]

He does not want to do the Dwill for Brady trade.

I told him i would throw in one of these players.

 

Barden, Fasano, Boss, Galloway, Dillard, or Higgins.

My other trade offer at this time is: just countered with this (he changed Brandon Jones to Steve Smith

get:

 

Rice, Choice, Cutler, Steve Smith (NYG) Shawn Nelson (TE Buf) and his 1st

I give Hightower, Gonzalez, Brady, Gates and Collins

so let him stew on it for a bit.

 

tell him that for now, you are not gonna trade Brady.

 

If he really wants him bad, he'll come back with a better offer.

 

remember, you could argue that he is the best QB in the league. Also, I would at least consult a couple of other guys who may want to trade for him as I think you could probably get a better offer elsewhere.

[Matts Eagles 25]

so let him stew on it for a bit.

 

tell him that for now, you are not gonna trade Brady.

 

If he really wants him bad, he'll come back with a better offer.

 

remember, you could argue that he is the best QB in the league. Also, I would at least consult a couple of other guys who may want to trade for him as I think you could probably get a better offer elsewhere.

 

 

The problem with this is these 2 teams I am trying to trade with have the most RB depth.

 

I have been offered Portis and other for Brady and now Grant and others for Brady.

 

Other teams have only 1 good rb and not trying to trade that one for Brady.

[Matts Eagles 25]

Then there is this trade:

 

Then there is this deal

 

 

I get Portis , Betts, Choice and his first rounder

 

I give

Gonzalez, Gates and Hightower

 

My team:

 

QB

Tom Brady (NE)

Matt Ryan (ATL)

Kerry Collins (TEN)

ALEX SMITH (SF)

RB

Leon Washington (NYJ)

Tim Hightower (ARI)

Brian Leonard (CIN)

Danny Ware (NYG)

Rashad Jennings (JAC)

Andre Brown (NYG)

Bernard Scott (CIN)

 

WR

Anthony Gonzalez (IND)

Steve Breaston (ARI)

Joey Galloway (NE)

Johnnie Lee Higgins (OAK)

Jeremy Maclin (PHI)

Kenny Britt (TEN)

Ramses Barden (NYG)

Jarett Dillard (JAC)

 

TE

Antonio Gates (SD)

Kevin Boss (NYG)

Anthony Fasano (MIA)

Cornelius Ingram (PHI)

 

K

Kris Brown (HOU)

 

DL

Jerod Mayo (NE)

James Laurinaitis (STL)

 

DB

Ed Reed (BAL)

Leon Hall (CIN)

 

 

 

 

His team:

 

QB

Jay Cutler (CHI)

Luke McCown (TB)

 

RB

Clinton Portis (WAS)

Ryan Grant (GB)

Ray Rice (BAL)

Ladell Betts (WAS)

Brandon Jackson (GB)

Tashard Choice (DAL)

Chris Wells (ARI)

 

WR

Eddie Royal (DEN)

Ted Ginn Jr. (MIA)

Roy Williams (DAL)

Steve Smith (NYG)

Brandon Jones (SF)

Devin Thomas (WAS)

James Hardy (BUF)

Jerome Simpson (CIN)

Brandon Tate (NE)

Austin Collie (IND)

Brian Hartline (MIA)

 

TE

Vernon Davis (SF)

Todd Heap (BAL)

Shawn Nelson (BUF)

 

K

Neil Rackers (ARI)

 

DL

Ray Lewis (BAL)

Julian Peterson (DET)

 

DB

Josh Wilson (SEA)

Terrence McGee (BUF)

 

Then I can move Portis for Felix Jones and Picks

[madd futher mucker 36]

The last trade is one that I would pull the trigger on.

 

Some advice though....from someone who REALLY likes to trade. You are already planning to trade Portis who you have'nt even got yet ...SLOW DOWN KEMOSABE! (BTW, I'd KEEP Portis and Betts- Portis is the Rodney Dangerfield of RBs - he's only 27 years old, produces every year and he gets no respect! And Betts just happens to be just about the best handcuff you could get. Why would you trade him away for a talented part-time player and draft pick(s) that may or may not work out?

 

Try to learn the art of negotiating trades and make quality offers and quality trades.

 

For instance, if the guy was dead set on getting Bradey and Maclin, give it to him....Just make sure that you are getting fair compensation. For instance, in that first proposal, Brady and Maclin for DeAngelo, Freeman, and his next year's rookie first round pick would have been a reasonable deal.

 

And always consider the importance of a throw-in. If it is a deal you REALLY want to make, don't be afraid to throw in a fringe player or a next years 3rd round pick that just might be enough to make him bite. If he's after YOUR player, insist on a throw-in that doesn't have much trade value but could have some value to you....maybe it is the Chicago Defense or some next year's pick of his. The point is - those throw-in picks can add up to something good.

 

Regarding "throw-ins", in two trades I made this year, I got Willie Parker and Matt Jones as absolute throw-ins. I'd likely have done the deals anyway, but I asked for a little bit more...and got it. Now both of these players guys have little TRADE value right now, but if FWP can stay healthy, and Jones lands in the right situation, either one or both COULD have great value this year.

 

On the flip side, I wanted to get Bradshaw and get rid of Hightower (because I feel strongly that Bradshaw has a ton more upside, both this year and for his career). I knew that a straight up trade waasn't gonna fly, so I threw-in my next year's 3rd rounder. I know that in some trade somewhere along the line I'll more than make up the loss of that pick.

 

Just a couple of ideas.

[Matts Eagles 25]

The last trade is one that I would pull the trigger on.

 

Some advice though....from someone who REALLY likes to trade. You are already planning to trade Portis who you have'nt even got yet ...SLOW DOWN KEMOSABE! Try to learn the art of negotiating trades and make quality offers and quality trades.

 

For instance, if the guy was dead set on getting Bradey and Maclin, give it to him....Just make sure that you are getting fair compensation. For instance, in that first proposal, Brady and Maclin for DeAngelo, Freeman, and his next year's rookie first round pick would have been a reasonable deal.

 

And always consider the inmportance of a throw-in. If it is a deal you REALLY want to make, don't be afraid to throw in a fringe player or a next years 3rd round pick that just might be enough to make him bite. If he's after YOUR player, insist on a throw-in that doesn't have much trade value but could have some value to you....maybe it is the Chicago Defense or some next year's pick of his. The point is - those throw-in picks can add up to something good.

 

Regarding "throw-ins", in two trades I made this year, I got Willie Parker and Matt Jones as absolute throw-ins. I'd likely have done the deals anyway, but I asked for a little bit more...and got it. Now both of these players guys have little TRADE value right now, but if FWP can stay healthy, and Jones lands in the right situation, either one .r both COULD have great value this year.

 

On the flip side, I wanted to get Bradshaw and get rid of Hightower (because I feel strongly that Bradshaw has a ton more upside, both this year and for his career). I knew that a straight up trade waasn't gonna fly, so I threw-in my next year's 3rd rounder. I know that in some trade somewhere along the line I'll more than make up the loss of that pick.

 

Just a couple of ideas.

 

Roger that. I am getting like 40 offers sent to me.

 

I can trade Maclin and Brady from Bennett, DWill and a second rounder, but do not want to give up Maclin may counter with

 

Brady and Gates for Bennett, DWill and a second rounder

[Matts Eagles 25]

The last trade is one that I would pull the trigger on.

 

Some advice though....from someone who REALLY likes to trade. You are already planning to trade Portis who you have'nt even got yet ...SLOW DOWN KEMOSABE! Try to learn the art of negotiating trades and make quality offers and quality trades.

 

For instance, if the guy was dead set on getting Bradey and Maclin, give it to him....Just make sure that you are getting fair compensation. For instance, in that first proposal, Brady and Maclin for DeAngelo, Freeman, and his next year's rookie first round pick would have been a reasonable deal.

 

And always consider the inmportance of a throw-in. If it is a deal you REALLY want to make, don't be afraid to throw in a fringe player or a next years 3rd round pick that just might be enough to make him bite. If he's after YOUR player, insist on a throw-in that doesn't have much trade value but could have some value to you....maybe it is the Chicago Defense or some next year's pick of his. The point is - those throw-in picks can add up to something good.

 

Regarding "throw-ins", in two trades I made this year, I got Willie Parker and Matt Jones as absolute throw-ins. I'd likely have done the deals anyway, but I asked for a little bit more...and got it. Now both of these players guys have little TRADE value right now, but if FWP can stay healthy, and Jones lands in the right situation, either one .r both COULD have great value this year.

 

On the flip side, I wanted to get Bradshaw and get rid of Hightower (because I feel strongly that Bradshaw has a ton more upside, both this year and for his career). I knew that a straight up trade waasn't gonna fly, so I threw-in my next year's 3rd rounder. I know that in some trade somewhere along the line I'll more than make up the loss of that pick.

 

Just a couple of ideas.

 

Roger that. I am getting like 40 offers sent to me.

 

I can trade Maclin and Brady from Bennett, DWill and a second rounder, but do not want to give up Maclin may counter with

 

Brady and Gates for Bennett, DWill and a second rounder

[madd futher mucker 36]

Roger that. I am getting like 40 offers sent to me.

 

I can trade Maclin and Brady from Bennett, DWill and a second rounder, but do not want to give up Maclin may counter with

 

Brady and Gates for Bennett, DWill and a second rounder

 

You have to learn how to value players. Gates is FAR MORE VALUABLE than Maclin. Maclin is no better or no worse than any next year's 1st rounder would be. Period. Gates is the #2 TE in the NFL. He HAS DONE IT and will continue to do it. (In fact, the ONLY reason I'd do the trade above with Gates is that you'd be getting both Portis and Betts PLUS Choice who I think will be a future stud, and you are so damn weak at RB. - And then you say you'd trade Portis--- are you out of your mind???

 

As for Maclin, he hasn't done sh1t yet in the NFL and there is no guarantee he ever will. I consider him to be a raw 3-year project type WR.

 

When I look at your team I see a bunch of young guys, most of whom likely won't ever amount to much: I wouldn't give you 2 cents for Hightower, Leonard, Ware, Jennings, or Scott. If I had to put my money on any of them it would be Scott, and he was likely a 3rd or 4th rounder in the rookie draft. Same thing with Higgins, Barden (bust written all over him), Dillard and to a slightly lesser extent, Britt and Maclin. Go for PROVEN players with a few QUALITY rookies mixed in. Believe it or not Joey Galloway will probably outperform EVERY ROOKIE WR on your roster this year, and 70% of them next year too - and he's 38 years old, I believe. Do you realize that the bust rate for rookies drafted below round 2 is about 75%? The bust rate for WRs drafted in rounds 1 and 2 is about 50%? If I were you, I'd be trading some of those rooks for productive NFL players (just make sure there's still some tread left on the tires.)

 

I think the reason that you are getting so many offers, is that your leaguemates think they can rob you blind and you wouldnt even know it.

[madd futher mucker 36]

You don't see Romo as a viable starter?

 

I see Romo as a low end QB1....maybe around QB10. FAR LOWER VALUE than Brady. Romo is a "sell high". Why?

 

Dallas is going to a more run-based offense than when they had T.O. They've said want Romo to throw less and become more of a 'game-manager type'. Roy Williams and Patrick Crayton have both been career underachievers and I don't see that changing. Miles Austin has a small school 'project' with the talent to 'bust out'....or not. Witten WILL be the #1 receiver in the offense.

 

So is Romo a viable starter.............yes, but IMO about 9 other guys in your league will be starting better QBs than Romo.

[Matts Eagles 25]

If i do the 2 trades how does my team look?

 

 

 

2 trades combined

 

I give up:

 

Brady, Hightower, Gates, Anthony Gonzalez (wr), Maclin

 

 

And I get

 

 

Portis, Betts, Choice, DeAngelo Williams, Earl Bennett, a first and a second round draft pick in 2010 rookie draft would you do it?

 

 

My team

 

Brady, Matt Ryan, Kerry Collins, Alex Smith

 

Leon Washington, Hightower, Benard Scott/Brian Leonard, Danny Ware/Andre Brown (NYG), Rashad Jennings

 

Anthony Gonzalez, Steve Breaston, Joey Galloway, Johnnie Lee Higgins, Jerry Maclin, Kenny Britt, Ramses Barden, Jarrett Dillard

Gates, Fasano , Boss, Ingram

 

 

After trade

 

Matt Ryan, Kerry Collins, Alex Smith

Portis, Betts, DeAngelo Williams, Choice, Leon Washington, Scott/Leonard (Cincy RBs) Danny Ware/Andre Brown (NYG) Rashad Jennings

Earl Bennett, Steve Breaston, Joey Galloway, Johnnie Lee Higgins, Kenny Britt, Ramses Barden, Jarrett Dillard

Fasano, Boss, Ingram

 

 

 

Start

1QB, 2 RB, 3 WRS, 1 TE, 1 RB/WR, 1 TE/WR

 

.5 point per completion

6 points tds

-2 ints

1 point per 50 yards passing

 

.2 point per rush

1 point per 20 yards

6 points rushing tds

1 point per reception

 

1 point per 20 yards recieving

6 points recieving tds

 

1 point per 30 return yards

6 points per return tds

[We Tigers 71]

Roger that. I am getting like 40 offers sent to me.

 

I can trade Maclin and Brady from Bennett, DWill and a second rounder, but do not want to give up Maclin may counter with

 

Brady and Gates for Bennett, DWill and a second rounder

After that S. Jax deal, no wonder you're getting 40 offers. You have zero NFL-starting RBs on your roster, and you traded one of the top 10 dynasty RBs--a 26-year-old pass-catching back with no RBBC and a rebuilding but promising o-line who is just 2 years removed from 2400 yards and 16 TDs--and didn't get back even a single top-20 player at QB, RB, or WR. In a PPR! Everyone should want to trade with you.

 

It looks like you're desperately trying to overpay for Deangelo to make up for that massive, team-crippling mistake. I think getting him is nice, but if you insist on trading this early in the offseason, you have to acknowledge that you only have two really elite players: Brady and Gates. If you can't turn them into 3-4 very high quality proven players, I would hesitate to deal them at all. That your league's huge starting rosters likely require you to start 3 RBs and 4 WRs every week isn't lost on me, but getting a bunch of crappy players for your only good ones is not the answer.

 

Also, your league's scoring system is really weird. Why bother making it TD-heavy by doing 20 yards/point for RB/WR and 50 yards/point for QBs if you're doing points per completion, reception, and rush?

[Matts Eagles 25]

After that S. Jax deal, no wonder you're getting 40 offers. You have zero NFL-starting RBs on your roster, and you traded one of the top 10 dynasty RBs--a 26-year-old pass-catching back with no RBBC and a rebuilding but promising o-line who is just 2 years removed from 2400 yards and 16 TDs--and didn't get back even a single top-20 player at QB, RB, or WR. In a PPR! Everyone should want to trade with you.

 

It looks like you're desperately trying to overpay for Deangelo to make up for that massive, team-crippling mistake. I think getting him is nice, but if you insist on trading this early in the offseason, you have to acknowledge that you only have two really elite players: Brady and Gates. If you can't turn them into 3-4 very high quality proven players, I would hesitate to deal them at all. That your league's huge starting rosters likely require you to start 3 RBs and 4 WRs every week isn't lost on me, but getting a bunch of crappy players for your only good ones is not the answer.

 

Also, your league's scoring system is really weird. Why bother making it TD-heavy by doing 20 yards/point for RB/WR and 50 yards/point for QBs if you're doing points per completion, reception, and rush?

 

 

At the Time of the deal

 

Jackson was injured, the Rams offense was struggling mightly (now they do not have any Wrs excpet Avery) So what will defenses concentrate on.

 

Gates is a top 3 te, Gonzalez has potential to be 15-25 WR, Hightower was on the way to taking over the Cardinals RB job from James. The deal had a n upside when it was made.....

[krizay 0]

If i do the 2 trades how does my team look?

2 trades combined

 

I give up:

 

Brady, Hightower, Gates, Anthony Gonzalez (wr), Maclin

And I get

Portis, Betts, Choice, DeAngelo Williams, Earl Bennett, a first and a second round draft pick in 2010 rookie draft would you do it?

My team

 

Brady, Matt Ryan, Kerry Collins, Alex Smith

 

Leon Washington, Hightower, Benard Scott/Brian Leonard, Danny Ware/Andre Brown (NYG), Rashad Jennings

 

Anthony Gonzalez, Steve Breaston, Joey Galloway, Johnnie Lee Higgins, Jerry Maclin, Kenny Britt, Ramses Barden, Jarrett Dillard

Gates, Fasano , Boss, Ingram

After trade

 

Matt Ryan, Kerry Collins, Alex Smith

Portis, Betts, DeAngelo Williams, Choice, Leon Washington, Scott/Leonard (Cincy RBs) Danny Ware/Andre Brown (NYG) Rashad Jennings

Earl Bennett, Steve Breaston, Joey Galloway, Johnnie Lee Higgins, Kenny Britt, Ramses Barden, Jarrett Dillard

Fasano, Boss, Ingram

Start

1QB, 2 RB, 3 WRS, 1 TE, 1 RB/WR, 1 TE/WR

 

.5 point per completion

6 points tds

-2 ints

1 point per 50 yards passing

 

.2 point per rush

1 point per 20 yards

6 points rushing tds

1 point per reception

 

1 point per 20 yards recieving

6 points recieving tds

 

1 point per 30 return yards

6 points per return tds

 

Looks better. but instead of Portis/Betts/Choice try Rice/Ginn/Steve Smith you're basically not going to get anything out of 2 of those 3.

[Matts Eagles 25]

Looks better. but instead of Portis/Betts/Choice try Rice/Ginn/Steve Smith you're basically not going to get anything out of 2 of those 3.

 

Which 2 out of 3? Portis/Betts and Choice?

 

Or Smith GinnRice?

[We Tigers 71]

At the Time of the deal

 

Jackson was injured, the Rams offense was struggling mightly (now they do not have any Wrs excpet Avery) So what will defenses concentrate on.

 

Gates is a top 3 te, Gonzalez has potential to be 15-25 WR, Hightower was on the way to taking over the Cardinals RB job from James. The deal had a n upside when it was made.....

In a dynasty league, your best or second-best player being injured mid-season isn't really a reason to trade him unless it helps you win the championship that year. Given that Jackson still managed 4.1 YPC in that struggling offense when he played, defenses concentrating on him shouldn't have been a huge issue.

 

Good luck rebuilding the team, but don't mortgage your talented, proven players to try to do it all at once. It will take a couple seasons of careful, probably smaller moves, not 1 or 2 huge mega-trades.

[madd futher mucker 36]

You give up Brady, Hightower, Gates, Anthony Gonzalez (wr), Maclin

And get Portis, Betts, Choice, DeAngelo Williams, Earl Bennett, a first and a second round draft pick in 2010 rookie draft?

 

I like to consider each trade to stand by itself as a 'good' trade, because you seldom can be sure that you can pull off two trades. But if you are sure that you can put the two trades together like that, then yes, I'd do it.

 

You get essentially 3 RBs to build around (two present RB1s - Portis and Williams - and one possible future one in Choice. And in addition, you get those draft picks for next year.

 

For this year, Ryan and Collins should be OK. Alex Smith is almost worthless particularly if he doesn't win the starting gig from Shaun Hill (and I don't expect he will).

 

Now your RBs look a LOT better - DeAngelo, Portis/Betts, and possibly Washington will give you good production, Choice has very good future potential, Jennings has some potential in relief of MJD, and Scott could be a sleeper (I don't have much faith in Benson).

 

The Ware/ A Brown situation has very limited potential IMO, because I really believe if you are going to own a back-up to Jacobs, then the back-up RB to own there is most likelyBradshaw.

 

Your WRs flat out suck though. I would shop every damn one of them and see if you can get some WR value to help you compete this year. Don't just give them away though. Make sure you get both immediate production value AND enough tread left on the tires.

 

Your TEs will be adequate, (but slightly below average) without Gates.

[madd futher mucker 36]

You might be interested in a sophisticated computerized analysis of your prospects for this year: "This team is brutal. It is below average and/or too thin at all three core positions (quarterback, running back and receiver)." In a 12 team league, your team (given the trades you propose) has somewhere between a 5-35% chance of making the play-offs (depending on any FUTURE roster/team-management moves).

 

Matt Ryan is a low end QB1/high end QB2. Kelly Collins is more like a QB3 than a QB2.

 

The good news is that now your top two RBs (Williams/Portis) will both grade out as RB1s. However after your top two RBs, you may struggle because you do not really have a reliable RB3.

 

All of your receivers are well below average. Assuming both Fitz and Boldin are active, Breaston projects no higher than a low-end WR3. No other receiver can be counted on for even WR4 production this year.

 

Both of your veteran TEs are considered TE2s which means they rank between 12th and 24th for TEs.

 

PROBLEM IS - YOUR TEAM WOULD LIKELY BE EVEN WORSE OFF WITHOUT MAKING THOSE TWO TRADES.

[krizay 0]

Which 2 out of 3? Portis/Betts and Choice?

 

Or Smith GinnRice?

 

 

Choice isn't going to do anything for you. While Betts will only do something if Portis gets hurt. So you're really only getting one player.

[madd futher mucker 36]

Choice isn't going to do anything for you. While Betts will only do something if Portis gets hurt. So you're really only getting one player.

 

If you get Portis, you MUST have Betts handcuffed IMO. Yes you are essentially really getting only one player for 2 roster spots, but that if far better than two sides of a RBBC, or worse yet, two back-ups for one position (as in Brown/Ware or Scott/Leonard).

 

Investing in Brown/Ware made almost no sense, given that both Jacobs AND Bradshaw are ahead of them, and if you want to make a back-up play for Benson, you might as well only invest in the one you think will win out - IMO that is Scott. Roster spots are too valuable to waste on 'iffy' propositions like these.

 

But Portis is a perenial top 10 RB. In fact except for his injury season (2006), he has never finished a season with less than 1250 rushing. And he is still in his prime. Definitely worth it.

 

And compare Choice's numbers on a per game basis with Barber's. It is not hard to project a future star here. If Barber gets injured again, Choice regains immediate production value, and worse case, in two more years he will be one of the most coveted free agents on the market. He will command too much to remain as second fiddle to Barber. Shark dynasy players are trying to trade for him on the cheap right now - but often finding that his owners aren't letting him go cheap.

[Ray_T 798]

The problem with this is these 2 teams I am trying to trade with have the most RB depth.

 

I have been offered Portis and other for Brady and now Grant and others for Brady.

 

Other teams have only 1 good rb and not trying to trade that one for Brady.

 

you need a better RB coming back to you than Grant or Portis.

 

in your average 10 team Fantasy football league, I believe Grant would be your RB2. Portis is an average (but not elite) RB1 but injuries have been an issue for him of late, and my feeling is that his career may only have a couple of good years left. I hope I am wrong and that he has 4 or 5 years left, but my feeling is that 3 good years is likely the best you can hope for.

 

I really think you can do better than this.

 

one other piece of advice:

 

dont go thinking that these are the only guys willing to trade for Brady. There are others out there who will, and you probably dont even know it.

 

personally, what I'd do is I'd hold off until the season starts. Brady plays Buffalo and the Jets in the first two games. If he blows the doors off and has a huge game, I'd bet you would get a lot more for him at that time than you will now.

 

 

Either way, there are certain times when the best trade decision you can make is to not make a trade at all. I'd close the discussions, and if they really want Brady, they will come back with an offer just before the season starts.

 

Trust me on this.... when people find out you are shopping Brady, good offers will come out of the woodwork and you may be surprised at what people will offer.

 

The season is some time away yet, so there is no need to rush into a decision when you arent positive it is the right one.

[enis_44 0]

This thread is the "Josh McDanials School of management"

 

Take over a team and immediately trade your best cornerstone players for 50 cents on the dollar.

 

There's a reason you're getting so many offers dude. Your leaguemates smell blood in the water.

[krizay 0]

If you get Portis, you MUST have Betts handcuffed IMO. Yes you are essentially really getting only one player for 2 roster spots, but that if far better than two sides of a RBBC, or worse yet, two back-ups for one position (as in Brown/Ware or Scott/Leonard).

 

Investing in Brown/Ware made almost no sense, given that both Jacobs AND Bradshaw are ahead of them, and if you want to make a back-up play for Benson, you might as well only invest in the one you think will win out - IMO that is Scott. Roster spots are too valuable to waste on 'iffy' propositions like these.

 

But Portis is a perenial top 10 RB. In fact except for his injury season (2006), he has never finished a season with less than 1250 rushing. And he is still in his prime. Definitely worth it.

 

And compare Choice's numbers on a per game basis with Barber's. It is not hard to project a future star here. If Barber gets injured again, Choice regains immediate production value, and worse case, in two more years he will be one of the most coveted free agents on the market. He will command too much to remain as second fiddle to Barber. Shark dynasy players are trying to trade for him on the cheap right now - but often finding that his owners aren't letting him go cheap.

 

I agree that if you have Portis getting Betts is a must. But the fact is he's still inly getting 1 player out of the 3 no matter the reasoning. As for choice. You must have forgotten about Felix Jones.

[WhiteWonder 3,020]

yeah i gotta say i don't like any of these offers you are getting... but i think you already may have put yourself in a hole with the Jackson trade.

 

now, getting Deangelo for Brady sounds good because u have no backs but idk.....

[madd futher mucker 36]

I agree that if you have Portis getting Betts is a must. But the fact is he's still inly getting 1 player out of the 3 no matter the reasoning. As for choice. You must have forgotten about Felix Jones.

 

Not at all...Felix has very little effect on Choice's value - Barber does. Dallas is going to continue what they started last year before Felix got hurt, which is a "thunder and lightning" RBBC approach used in New York (Greene will compete with T Jones, with Washington getting his "lightning" touches - he will not compete with Washington for touches), Atlanta (Turner and Norwood are completely different backs) and more and more other places.

 

Felix as the "lightning" will get his share of the plays regardless of who is the "thunder" - so Choice is behind Barber (because of Barber's experience and their similar skillset), but he is NOT behind Jones in the pecking order - because they play totally different offensive roles. RBBC is now the 'norm' in the NFL and "thunder and lightning" is a very effective way to do it. If nothing else, guys like MJD (with F Taylor), DeAngelo, and Michael Turner have proved that RBBC backs CAN put up numbers as good or better than non-RBBC backs (as well as extend their careers).

 

So Choice's playing time is highly dependent on Barber's health rather than anything Mr. Jones does. And Choice's LONG-term dynasty value is dependent on his TALENT. He has already proved that he can be a starting caliber 'bell-cow' NFL RB, which sooner or later translate into him being a valuable commodity. Much as I like (and own), Donald Brown, if Barber were not in the picture, I'd much prefer Choice, because he's already proved he can perform at a high level in the NFL.

 

Also, I expect that the RBs will become a much more dominant factor in the Dallas offense this year, so both Jones and Barber/Choice will get more touches. On the other hand, Romo's role is expected to be reduced, which is why I and many others have him as only a low-end QB1. This is not just speculation, it is part of Dallas' publicly stated offensive plan for 2009.