Tubby Rapistberger and the Stealers Strike again

[Joey Gladstone 33]

That was clearly Miami's ball!

 

The Rooney's have had two finger's knuckle deep in the league's anus for decades. This sh!t is getting old

[sorrycharlie 0]

That was clearly Miami's ball!

 

The Rooney's have had two finger's knuckle deep in the league's anus for decades. This sh!t is getting old

He DEFINITELY fumbled, but WHO recovered it?

[phillybear 366]

Miami got jobbed.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

He DEFINITELY fumbled, but WHO recovered it?

 

Unless you're blind, or in the Rooney's pocket, the Dolphins recovered it.

[chiz3 1]

Yep Steelers may steal another one! Try living in the Pittsburgh area...the nfl is against them!! The fans are why im a Steeler hater!!

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

He DEFINITELY fumbled, but WHO recovered it?

 

 

That's just it; they couldn't tell. Miami seemed to be all around it but when you got 2-3 whistles blowing and a side judge ruling it a TD, you could argue that the play was dead and Pitt stopped pursuing it.

 

at Joey G.'s "two finger's knuckle deep in the league's anus for decades." comment.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Thank God Miami couldnt pull this out. Somebody would have lost their job

[PATSSOX 22]

What happened to Mendenhall??????

[phins2119 0]

worst call i have ever seen in my life last week it was the 4th and 1 vs gb where they say brown didnt get a yd and todays phins recover the ball and this idot says however he saw no evidence wtf what total bs

[Turf CamelToe 1]

Go Stealers

[pittnthat 0]

The post gazette is reporting that the official who made the call is from Pittsburgh. No way a ref from Pittsburgh should be a ref at Steeler games.

I think it was a bad call, but I don't know the rule if the ref signals td then I think it's a dead ball..... hence no fumble.

looks bad.

[Houston Texans 10]

Unless you're blind, or in the Rooney's pocket, the Dolphins recovered it.

Unless you're an idiot, and like talking out of your a$$, you'd know that the right call was made on the replay, although it was made in response to the incorrect call on the field.

 

The field judge signaled that Roethlisberger broke the goal line before he fumbled. Once he signaled TD, the play is dead. That ruling can be reviewed & reversed, but there must be CLEAR EVIDENCE of recovery of a fumble BEFORE the play is whistled dead. Since the TD was signaled while the ball was still loose, the only outcome of the review could be no TD, but Steelers retain possesion where the fumble occured.

 

You may not like it, but the officials didn't screw the Dolphins; the correct ruling was made on the review. The side judge made a human error by signaling TD so soon, one that the instant replay system isn't able to correct.

[WhiteWonder 2,925]

bitter much?

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Unless you're an idiot, and like talking out of your a$$, you'd know that the right call was made on the replay, although it was made in response to the incorrect call on the field.

 

The field judge signaled that Roethlisberger broke the goal line before he fumbled. Once he signaled TD, the play is dead. That ruling can be reviewed & reversed, but there must be CLEAR EVIDENCE of recovery of a fumble BEFORE the play is whistled dead. Since the TD was signaled while the ball was still loose, the only outcome of the review could be no TD, but Steelers retain possesion where the fumble occured.

 

You may not like it, but the officials didn't screw the Dolphins; the correct ruling was made on the review. The side judge made a human error by signaling TD so soon, one that the instant replay system isn't able to correct.

 

So what you're saying is the offical's screwed the Dolphins? Breaking news chief.

[Turf CamelToe 1]

So what you're saying is the offical's screwed the Dolphins? Breaking news chief.

 

No, I think he is saying the Rooney's don't have stinky fingers.

[murf74 461]

Ben said in his interview after the game that he recovered the fumble under pile, ref told him it was a TD so he let go of it and got up. No QB is gonna stay under a pile longer than has to when told play is over by a ref.

 

You can't get all pissed off about who recovered what was not a fumble on the field. The ref blows whistle, signals TD, play is over. Plain and simple. You can't recover a non-fumble.

 

IDIOTS, what's next guys recovering spiked footballs and claiming they fumbled it?

[Joey Gladstone 33]

The Dolphins were screwed.

[phillybear 366]

Ben said in his interview after the game that he recovered the fumble under pile, ref told him it was a TD so he let go of it and got up.

 

He continued the interview by stating he was a virgin, he once blew Rachel Maddow, and if the interviewer wanted to see some cool pics he got from Brett Favre.

[murf74 461]

He continued the interview by stating he was a virgin, he once blew Rachel Maddow, and if the interviewer wanted to see some cool pics he got from Brett Favre.

 

Love ya haters.....,hilarious.

[murf74 461]

true so the fact remains the ref screwed the dolphins, we can get pissed off about that can't we, maybe next time we will ask you first......

Big Ben also said he didn't sexually assult that girl.

 

The refs screwed up the original call, original hater posted as if Miami recovered a fumble. You don't know the outcome if the whistle isn't blown.

 

I love those who can know the outcome of plays that weren't allowed to proceed. and you know how the rest of the game would go with Miami having the ball with 2:30 left, up by 2 with the Steelers with all timeouts left and the 2 minute warning.

Do you have highlights of that imaginary finish to the game, I think it would be cool to watch. The technology involved must be terrific.

 

Glad I got a chance to respond before you deleted your post.

[Gepetto 1,454]

The touchdown signal on the Calvin Johnson winning catch against the Bears was before Calvin let go of the ball to get up too, but they overturned that one. No consistency from the refs in the NFL. The rules state players are supposed to play after the whistle to recover a fumble for review after the play too.

[Reality 3,121]

Ben said in his interview after the game that he recovered the fumble under pile, ref told him it was a TD so he let go of it and got up. No QB is gonna stay under a pile longer than has to when told play is over by a ref.

 

You can't get all pissed off about who recovered what was not a fumble on the field. The ref blows whistle, signals TD, play is over. Plain and simple. You can't recover a non-fumble.

 

IDIOTS, what's next guys recovering spiked footballs and claiming they fumbled it?

 

Well, hell.. If Ben said he recovered it there's nothing left to discuss.. LoL

 

 

He fumbled it and the Dolphins came out of the pile with it. At the very least Pitt was very lucky to get a win today. At worst, had a win given to them by a bad call by the refs..

 

[Houston Texans 10]

So what you're saying is the offical's screwed the Dolphins? Breaking news chief.

 

This was you, right, "Chief?"

That was clearly Miami's ball!

 

The Rooney's have had two finger's knuckle deep in the league's anus for decades. This sh!t is getting old

 

You suggested that b/c "The Rooney's have had two finger's {sic} knuckle deep in the league's anus," that the refs made a mistake in not awarding the ball to the Dolphins.

 

That was an ignorant, uneducated post. I merely pointed that out.

 

And, as I noted in my earlier post, the field judge signaled TD, and that was a mistake on his part. A human error, not some league-wide conspiracy as you seem to believe.

[Me_2006 14]

The touchdown signal on the Calvin Johnson winning catch against the Bears was before Calvin let go of the ball to get up too, but they overturned that one. No consistency from the refs in the NFL. The rules state players are supposed to play after the whistle to recover a fumble for review after the play too.

Beat me to it.

[Houston Texans 10]

Ben said in his interview after the game that he recovered the fumble under pile, ref told him it was a TD so he let go of it and got up. No QB is gonna stay under a pile longer than has to when told play is over by a ref.

 

You can't get all pissed off about who recovered what was not a fumble on the field. The ref blows whistle, signals TD, play is over. Plain and simple. You can't recover a non-fumble.

 

IDIOTS, what's next guys recovering spiked footballs and claiming they fumbled it?

Calm down. You're wrong, by the way. You can recover a "non-fumble," under review. IF there is a review that indicates a fumble, when none was originally called on the field, then there MUST BE CLEAR CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of who recovered it.

 

In this case, that didn't happen. The field judge signaled TD, and the play was blown dead. AFTER that someone recovered the fumble. Unfortunately (or fortunately, if you are a Steelers fan), that isn't reviewable, so the ball had to be given to the Steelers where the fumble occurred.

[Gepetto 1,454]

Calm down. You're wrong, by the way. You can recover a "non-fumble," under review. IF there is a review that indicates a fumble, when none was originally called on the field, then there MUST BE CLEAR CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE of who recovered it.

 

In this case, that didn't happen. The field judge signaled TD, and the play was blown dead. AFTER that someone recovered the fumble. Unfortunately (or fortunately, if you are a Steelers fan), that isn't reviewable, so the ball had to be given to the Steelers where the fumble occurred.

 

You're completely wrong. They reviewed the play, ruled it a fumble and ruled that the replay footage didn't show who recovered the ball at the bottom of the scrum.

[PackYourNut 47]

I guess the Miami player getting up with the ball in his hand wasn't conclusive enough?

 

The ref that signaled TD was on the opposite side of the field and could not even see Ben or the goal line. That's focktard 1. Then the Miami guy recovers the ball and gets up with it, but it's ruled dead? That's focktard 2. Then the replay official says it was a fumble, but they couldn't tell who recovered it. That's focktard 3.

 

 

A total and utter embarrassment to the league. Those refs are more shameful and put a bigger stain on the NFL image, then the players that they are so desperately trying to control!

[Houston Texans 10]

The touchdown signal on the Calvin Johnson winning catch against the Bears was before Calvin let go of the ball to get up too, but they overturned that one.

Not even remotely the same thing. In the Johnson situation, the play was ruled a catch, and therefore a TD. After review, they determined that he didn't retain control of the ball long enough for it to be a catch. Technically, they called that play correctly too, but that rule is a little ridiculous.

 

No consistency from the refs in the NFL. The rules state players are supposed to play after the whistle to recover a fumble for review after the play too.

No, the rules don't state that. If you think it does, you're mis-informed.

 

The rules state that IF a play is blown dead, and upon review a fumble is determined to have occurred, a team must demonstrate CLEAR POSSESSION of the ball in order to be granted recovery of a fumble. However, if a play is blown dead, then the "fumble" cannot be recovered, and it MUST be given to the team who fumbled it, at the spot of the fumble. Officials are instructed to not blow a play dead if there is a question of whether a fumble occurred or not, (and as noted, that didn't happen on this play), however once the play is blown dead, there can be no recovery of what is determined to be a fumble by replay.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

I guess the Miami player getting up with the ball in his hand wasn't conclusive enough?

 

The ref that signaled TD was on the opposite side of the field and could not even see Ben or the goal line. That's focktard 1. Then the Miami guy recovers the ball and gets up with it, but it's ruled dead? That's focktard 2. Then the replay official says it was a fumble, but they couldn't tell who recovered it. That's focktard 3.

 

 

A total and utter embarrassment to the league. Those refs are more shameful and put a bigger stain on the NFL image, then the players that they are so desperately trying to control!

 

Word. The league is more invested in concussion-prevention, which Im sure will be enforced about as consistently as the ridiculous "horse-tackle" rule.

[Gepetto 1,454]

Not even remotely the same thing. In the Johnson situation, the play was ruled a catch, and therefore a TD. After review, they determined that he didn't retain control of the ball long enough for it to be a catch. Technically, they called that play correctly too, but that rule is a little ridiculous.

 

 

No, the rules don't state that. If you think it does, you're mis-informed.

 

The rules state that IF a play is blown dead, and upon review a fumble is determined to have occurred, a team must demonstrate CLEAR POSSESSION of the ball in order to be granted recovery of a fumble. However, if a play is blown dead, then the "fumble" cannot be recovered, and it MUST be given to the team who fumbled it, at the spot of the fumble. Officials are instructed to not blow a play dead if there is a question of whether a fumble occurred or not, (and as noted, that didn't happen on this play), however once the play is blown dead, there can be no recovery of what is determined to be a fumble by replay.

 

Well they reviewed the play to determine who recovered it so either you're incorrect or the refs should have said the recovery of the fumble could not be reviewed. They reviewed it and said they couldn't see who recovered it on the replays.

[Houston Texans 10]

I guess the Miami player getting up with the ball in his hand wasn't conclusive enough?

No, the Miami player getting up with the ball WELL AFTER the Steelers had been told the play was over, and left the pile is in now way conclusive.

 

The ref that signaled TD was on the opposite side of the field and could not even see Ben or the goal line. That's focktard 1.

First, you're wrong. The field judge wasn't on the opposite side. He was on the right sideline, and Roethlisberger went right on his run. He was blocked because Roethlisberger and the Miami defender blocked his vision, but he can't control that. It is his duty to determine if the ball broke the plane, and the did that. He made the wrong call, but you might have, as well, if you weren't given the benefit of multiple slow-mo replays.

 

Then the Miami guy recovers the ball and gets up with it, but it's ruled dead? That's focktard 2.

Wrong again. The play was ruled dead, AND THEN the Miami guy was able to come up with the ball. It's amazing how much easier it is to recover a fumble WHEN THE OTHER TEAM IS TOLD THE PLAY IS OVER AND STOPS FIGHTING FOR THE BALL!

 

Then the replay official says it was a fumble, but they couldn't tell who recovered it. That's focktard 3.

That was the correct call. When the play was blown dead, there was no evidence of who recovered it.

 

A total and utter embarrassment to the league. Those refs are more shameful and put a bigger stain on the NFL image, then the players that they are so desperately trying to control!

 

You might want to get your facts straight before you start declaring "total and utter embarrassment." You are coming off as the "focktard" here with your mis-informed, ignorant posts.

[Gepetto 1,454]

Houston Texans,

 

I'll be waiting for your answers to my last two posts. It would be wise to think and keep an open mind before continuing on your "I'm 100% right path".

[Houston Texans 10]

Well they reviewed the play to determine who recovered it so either you're incorrect or the refs should have said the recovery of the fumble could not be reviewed. They reviewed it and said they couldn't see who recovered it on the replays.

You might want to try re-reading what I posted.

 

They reviewed the play to see if the ball broke the plane, and to determine if the fumble was recovered. A ball cannot be recovered after a play is blown dead. So, when the watch the replay, you see the Field Judge signaling TD, and you see the ball loose. Once he signals TD, the play is dead. At that time, NO ONE had control of the ball.

 

See how that works? IF, when the Field Judge was signaling TD, the ball had CLEARLY been in the possession of a Miami player, then they could have ruled that Miami recovered the ball. Since that wasn't the case, they couldn't, and awarded the ball to the Steelers at the spot of the fumble.

[Houston Texans 10]

Houston Texans,

 

I'll be waiting for your answers to my last two posts. It would be wise to think and keep an open mind before continuing on your "I'm 100% right path".

I've already replied. And you might want to take your own advice. You're convinced that you're right, but the NFL rulebook doesn't back you up.

[jcuadrado 0]

I guess the Miami player getting up with the ball in his hand wasn't conclusive enough?

 

The ref that signaled TD was on the opposite side of the field and could not even see Ben or the goal line. That's focktard 1. Then the Miami guy recovers the ball and gets up with it, but it's ruled dead? That's focktard 2. Then the replay official says it was a fumble, but they couldn't tell who recovered it. That's focktard 3.

 

 

A total and utter embarrassment to the league. Those refs are more shameful and put a bigger stain on the NFL image, then the players that they are so desperately trying to control!

 

ding ding ding.....we havw a winner...

[Gepetto 1,454]

You might want to try re-reading what I posted.

 

They reviewed the play to see if the ball broke the plane, and to determine if the fumble was recovered. A ball cannot be recovered after a play is blown dead. So, when the watch the replay, you see the Field Judge signaling TD, and you see the ball loose. Once he signals TD, the play is dead. At that time, NO ONE had control of the ball.

 

See how that works? IF, when the Field Judge was signaling TD, the ball had CLEARLY been in the possession of a Miami player, then they could have ruled that Miami recovered the ball. Since that wasn't the case, they couldn't, and awarded the ball to the Steelers at the spot of the fumble.

 

Yea, I didn't state the rule correctly.

 

Question for you. How can the play be dead if hypothetically a Miami player would have clearly recovered it (hypothetically) after it was "dead"?

[Gepetto 1,454]

Screw the replay. The ref completely blew it by signalling touchdown and not fumble. Steelers steal another win.

[PackYourNut 47]

 

You might want to get your facts straight before you start declaring "total and utter embarrassment." You are coming off as the "focktard" here with your mis-informed, ignorant posts.

 

If you can not see that a call like that shines a bad light on the NFL and their officiating crew, then I don't know what to tell you. IT WAS A BLOWN CALL!

 

Everything I stated is 100% accurate! You want to play semantics with your interpretation, like you're an expert or some sh!t. You're not! You're a tool on a message board who tries to act like he's a smart guy. Clearly, you are not!

[phillybear 366]

Let's suspend guys for hitting on hot chicks, but let's allow refs to fock up Super Bowls and games like this.

 

Come on, with Pittsburgh involved with refs giving them gifts, I have to bring up the Superbowl. Focking NFL. Roger Goddell is a faggut.

 

We don't want kids in stands, family friendly entertainment. Why do you think MMA/UFC is growing to become the biggest global sport? We want blood, we want flamboyancy, we crave trash talking, we want mother focking violence and the celebration of it. Not sports that grandma would watch. Pay attention to your demographics, fucko.

[Dan 66]

Houston - well-reasoned, but the folks in here are going to hate the Steelers, and anything that suggests that they aren't somehow manipulating this behind the scenes won't penetrate their "thinking."

 

Gepetto - you're ridiculous. At least Gladstone has the really old bitterness that he keeps stirring in his cup to justify his irrational attempt to find every means to demean the Steelers. What's your issue? You refuse to discuss and debate Houston, even though he's answered every point. You prove only that you don't want facts, you want to hate.

 

Now, the play.

 

1) Watching the replay, my immediate observation was that the ball clearly came out (note that I had a better angle than the side judge) before breaking the plane. I'm also making this evaluation on two combined angles, a note that the more ridiculous of you should consider. The announcers got that part right, and Dierdorf is a knucklehead. The replay official needed both angles to ascertain the conclusive evidence that the ball came out.

1a) The second part that I observed was Ben looking at the ball sitting free in the endzone for almost a full second, during which time he reached forward and then pulled back, looking to his right. I'm guessing here, but I think he was looking over at the side judge with his hands in the air. Now, try putting yourself in that position. Would you go after the ball? Go ahead, say you would . . . liar. My point is that Ben had quick and easy access to the free ball with no impediment and no one close enough to challenge for at least 1/2 a second - an eternity in the high-speed NFL. Had he not heard the whistle, seen the line judge . . . do you really think he doesn't simply grab the football before the flying bodies get there a moment later? Come on now.

This alone really ought to be considered before you latch onto the "Miami got jobbed" thought.

 

2) Regarding the ruling afterward . . . if the whistle blows, the ball cannot be recovered, and you all know it. You're arguing in light of a feeling of injustice. I certainly get that, but reference #1a and pretend it's not the Steelers that you're discussing.

 

3) Let's deal with the "luck" factor. Did the Steelers get lucky? I guess so . . . to a point. Let's even - for the sake of your argument - pretend that 1 & 1a don't apply (see, I'll jump into absurdity for you). Let's even go so far as to say that the lackluster effort of the Steelers was simply because they are mostly lazy and sucky . . . on that last critical several seconds, and NOT because they thought the play was dead. BUT . . . let's just pretend that it wasn't the last play of the game, and that there was still 2:30 on the clock. Just pretend with me. I like to imagine what it could have been like if the Steelers had three time outs to use before the two minute warning, a run defense that stifles everyone, and the potential to get the ball back on the upper side of two minutes needing 40 yards to get into field goal range.

 

You're right. The fact that the play we're discussing was at the end of a 47-yard drive does not suggest at all that the Steelers could possibly do it again.

 

You're working awfully hard at this, guys . . .