2011 NFL Draft Weekend Division Thread: NFC East

[Mike FF Today 758]

Philadelphia Eagles - Draft Tracker | 2010 Team Draft Discussion

 

1.23

2.22

3.21

4.07

4.23

5.18

5.22

7.24

7.34

7.37

 

N.Y. Giants - Draft Tracker | 2010 Team Draft Discussion

 

1.19

2.20

3.19

4.20

6.20

6.33

6.37

7.18

 

Dallas Cowboys - Draft Tracker | 2010 Team Draft Discussion

 

1.09

2.08

3.07

4.13

5.12

6.11

7.17

7.49

 

Washington Redskins - Draft Tracker | 2010 Team Draft Discussion

 

1.10

2.09

5.13

5.24

6.12

7.10

7.21

7.50

[Portis26 0]

Dallas picks first which means they had the worst season of the division!! lol

 

LOOOSSSSERZ!!!

[kutulu 1,722]

Mike Mayock"s Mock:

 

#9 Dallas, Tyron Smith OT

 

#10 Washington, Prince Amukamara CB

 

#19 New York, Mark Ingram RB

 

#23 Philly, Marvin Austin DL

[Stewburtx8 67]

Tyron Smith, OT, USC seems like the consensus for Dallas among almost every mock draft I've seen. This means they probably won't take him. But he is the best tackle in this draft, and fits a huge position of need for Dallas. I think Dallas may try to trade back and still land one of the other top OT's (Constanzo, Carimi, etc.). Amukamara or JJ Watt could also be tempting here if they decide to go defense.

 

Washington I don't think will take Amukamara, although he certainly would help any team. QB and the front 7 are their biggest needs in my opinion. I think JJ Watt or Robert Quinn would be a fit here. Or they may try to trade up if they like Gabbert or Newton, or trade back and still grab Locker. With Daniel Snyder and the Skins, who really knows though.

 

For the Giants, I think Ingram could be a possibility. He may go earlier to Miami though. And even so, I think offensive line is their biggest need. I think Costanzo, Carimi, or Pouncey would all be on their radar, or obviously Tyron Smith if he would start to fall.

 

For the Eagles, and as an Eagles fan, defensive line is a need, BUT I don't think it is their biggest need. I think CB and OT are their biggest needs. I think Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado is the best pick here. Talent wise, he is right up there with Amukamara. As long as his other "issues" check out, I think he could really help their secondary. At offensive tackle, I think Carimi, Solder, or Sherrod all could be options if available. Or if they do draft in the front 7, I think Akeem Ayers could be a nice pick. More than likely, I think the Eagles end up trading up for someone they really like, or trading back if their isn't someone they love available. They are in a prime spot to trade back if a team in the early 2nd round is looking to grab a QB.

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I think Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado is the best pick here. Talent wise, he is right up there with Amukamara. As long as his other "issues" check out, I think he could really help their secondary.

 

Reports today that he failed three drug tests...one for codenie. Wonder how far he drops?

[MDC 8,042]

This is a really deep draft for both the D and O lines, two areas of need for the Eagles. I think they're going to go one of two ways:

 

1. Stay put and draft the best DE still available. If Ryan Kerrigan is on the board it would take Andy Reid about 2 seconds to turn his card in. Most likely they're going to end up with someone like Adrian Clayborn or a DT/DE tweener like Muhammed Wilkerson.

 

2. Trade down to the 2nd round and draft the best OL available. I've got a feeling the Eagles would love to add local boy OT Ben Ijalana or C Stefan Wisniewski and their first round pick (23) would be very enticing to one of the many Top 10 teams that desperately need QBs but don't see enough value high in round 1.

 

About the only thing that would really shock and annoy me is if the Eagles don't go OL or CB at all in the first two rounds. Which probably means we're going to end up with a DT and OLB or something. Just watch, Andy Reid loves to be the smartest guy in the room.

 

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I'd bet my left nut that Jimmy Smith is NOT the pick. Even if Andy Reid isn't scared off by his off the field issues, Smith didn't have a terribly productive year and the big questions are about his work ethic and desire to be the best. You can hope a kid is going to keep his nose clean but you can't make him a hard worker. The Birds will pass.

[Stewburtx8 67]

Reports today that he failed three drug tests...one for codenie. Wonder how far he drops?

 

 

Is any of this information new? I thought everyone already knew that he had failed drug tests and had other off the field issues in the past. He disclosed all of this on his team visits. I guess we will see. Plenty of guys have had "red flags" before only to fall farther than they should and become draft day "steals." And Jimmy Smith had a pretty good season at Colorado. He was a shutdown corner, and hardly got thrown at. He still finished with 70 tackles. I think there is a ton of upside here, but also a lot of risk as I stated.

 

MDC, I think Kerrigan is almost definitely gone before the Eagles pick, probably to Jacksonville at 16. If they want him, I think they'd have to trade up in to the mid to late teens. Wilkerson I think also will be gone.

 

The guy I'd keep an eye on is Prince Amukamara. He could go top 10, but there is a belief that he could now fall to the late teens or even 20th to Tampa. If the Eagles would see a chance to move up and get him, I think this would be a great move.

[Portis26 0]

I wouldn't be surprised if Skins trade up to get Peterson if he is there at 5

 

Carlos Rodgers is a FA, & Buchannan is not viable imo

[MDC 8,042]

MDC, I think Kerrigan is almost definitely gone before the Eagles pick, probably to Jacksonville at 16. If they want him, I think they'd have to trade up in to the mid to late teens. Wilkerson I think also will be gone.

 

The guy I'd keep an eye on is Prince Amukamara. He could go top 10, but there is a belief that he could now fall to the late teens or even 20th to Tampa. If the Eagles would see a chance to move up and get him, I think this would be a great move.

 

You're probably right about Kerrigan, but I expect Wilkinson will be available at 23.

 

If I had to put money on it, my guess right now is the Eagles trade out of the first round and draft the best player who fills a strong need in the top of the 2nd. Looking at the draft board and the overall depth of talent along both lines and at CB after Jimmy Smith, who I don't think the Eagles will draft, it really does level off by the late first and like I said, plenty of teams are going to be interested in trading back into the first to the low 20s to land a quarterback. I've also got a very strong feeling that Ijalana is going to be the pick, since he not only fills a need but he's a local product.

 

So that's my pick right now - Eagles trade their first rounder to a team that needs a QB but passed on that position with their first pick, move down to the top of the second and land Ijalana. A team like the Bengals, Bills, or Cardinals would make solid trading partners.

[Stewburtx8 67]

You're probably right about Kerrigan, but I expect Wilkinson will be available at 23.

 

If I had to put money on it, my guess right now is the Eagles trade out of the first round and draft the best player who fills a strong need in the top of the 2nd. Looking at the draft board and the overall depth of talent along both lines and at CB after Jimmy Smith, who I don't think the Eagles will draft, it really does level off by the late first and like I said, plenty of teams are going to be interested in trading back into the first to the low 20s to land a quarterback. I've also got a very strong feeling that Ijalana is going to be the pick, since he not only fills a need but he's a local product.

 

So that's my pick right now - Eagles trade their first rounder to a team that needs a QB but passed on that position with their first pick, move down to the top of the second and land Ijalana. A team like the Bengals, Bills, or Cardinals would make solid trading partners.

 

 

I think Wilkerson will go in the late teens also. I actually like him overall better than Kerrigan. But he is more of a natural 3-4 defensive end, so Kerrigan would make more sense for the Eagles.

 

If I had to guess right now, I agree the Eagles probably won't stay at 23. They'll either use one of their 9 other picks to move up and get someone who falls (Amukamara, Constanzo, Carimi, etc.) or trade back in to the early 2nd round to get more value on someone they may not want to reach for. I just can't see the Eagles going DE again a year after trading up to get Brandon Graham.

 

If they stay at the pick, I think its one of the OT's (Carimi, Solder, Sherrod) or a CB (Smith, Harris, Williams). I think after the top 5 OT's, there is a pretty big dropoff. I think taking Ijalana in the early 2nd round would be a reach. I see him more as a late 2nd rounder or even early 3rd rounder.

 

Your guess is as good as mine though. The Eagles always tend to do some unexpected things in the draft. It would be nice if they somehow get the go ahead to be able to trade Kolb before tonight. But let's just hope they get some players that can help them win more now.

[MDC 8,042]

I think Wilkerson will go in the late teens also. I actually like him overall better than Kerrigan. But he is more of a natural 3-4 defensive end, so Kerrigan would make more sense for the Eagles.

 

If I had to guess right now, I agree the Eagles probably won't stay at 23. They'll either use one of their 9 other picks to move up and get someone who falls (Amukamara, Constanzo, Carimi, etc.) or trade back in to the early 2nd round to get more value on someone they may not want to reach for. I just can't see the Eagles going DE again a year after trading up to get Brandon Graham.

 

If they stay at the pick, I think its one of the OT's (Carimi, Solder, Sherrod) or a CB (Smith, Harris, Williams). I think after the top 5 OT's, there is a pretty big dropoff. I think taking Ijalana in the early 2nd round would be a reach. I see him more as a late 2nd rounder or even early 3rd rounder.

 

Your guess is as good as mine though. The Eagles always tend to do some unexpected things in the draft. It would be nice if they somehow get the go ahead to be able to trade Kolb before tonight. But let's just hope they get some players that can help them win more now.

 

I thought Wilkerson was more of a hybrid DE who can move inside on passing downs, like how they tried to use Darren Howard?

 

The Eagles just baffle me in the draft - I really can't see their reasoning. This is one reason I just can't see them drafting Jimmy Smith. He's getting mocked to Philly way too much.

 

I'm fairly convinced they'll trade down because the talent in this draft seems to level off in the teens, and plenty of teams are going to want to move up to 23 from the 2nd round to get a quarterback. Also, the Eagles have holes all over the roster (RG, RT, C, DT/DE, CB, LB) and they could use the extra picks.

 

Here's hoping I'm not screaming at the TV tonight.

[Stewburtx8 67]

I thought Wilkerson was more of a hybrid DE who can move inside on passing downs, like how they tried to use Darren Howard?

 

The Eagles just baffle me in the draft - I really can't see their reasoning. This is one reason I just can't see them drafting Jimmy Smith. He's getting mocked to Philly way too much.

 

I'm fairly convinced they'll trade down because the talent in this draft seems to level off in the teens, and plenty of teams are going to want to move up to 23 from the 2nd round to get a quarterback. Also, the Eagles have holes all over the roster (RG, RT, C, DT/DE, CB, LB) and they could use the extra picks.

 

Here's hoping I'm not screaming at the TV tonight.

 

 

Yeah, this is true. Last year everyone thought they were targeting Earl Thomas. Then they traded up to 14th and I thought it was a given they were taking Thomas. Then out of nowhere they grab Brandon Graham, someone who most people didn't have going that high. I don't want them to trade out of the first round because I want players who can help them right now. I think one of the OT or a CB could step in and help them right away. But obviously it depends who is available. I really wouldn't mind them taking a chance on a talent like Jimmy Smith. But now it looks like he may fall well in to the 2nd round or later. So I don't see that happening unless it's later in the draft.

[Big Blue 06 196]

The NY Giants absolutely need an offensive lineman and Pouncey fits the bill perfectly. Their line is getting older and breaking down slowly, so a young stud is just what they need.

 

If Pouncey is gone, as he very well may be, they would love it if Ingram fell to them. That would be just the kick in the asss that Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw need.

[GettnHuge 2]

Where is the war room cam for the redskins? i wanted to see shanahan go berzerk when they traded downa nd still didn't get their guy.

:doh:

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Where is the war room cam for the redskins? i wanted to see shanahan go berzerk when they traded downa nd still didn't get their guy.

:doh:

 

Out of curiosity, who do you think was "his guy"?

[Cruzer 1,996]

Tyron Smith, OT, USC seems like the consensus for Dallas among almost every mock draft I've seen. This means they probably won't take him. But he is the best tackle in this draft, and fits a huge position of need for Dallas.

Great pick - love this kid, he is going to be awessome!

[Portis26 0]

Out of curiosity, who do you think was "his guy"?

 

I'm Curious too? Who do you u think they wanted? I think they got 1 of 2 (Watts) they wanted . Thank god Skins passed on Gabbett. He is way over rated IMO, funky offense that made him toss 5-15 yard passes from shotgun . I'm still hoping Mallett comes to DC at 41 or 49

[Bills04 66]

Yeesh - he wanted WAS QB J. Locker, of course!

 

 

I'm Curious too? Who do you u think they wanted? I think they got 1 of 2 (Watts) they wanted . Thank god Skins passed on Gabbett. He is way over rated IMO, funky offense that made him toss 5-15 yard passes from shotgun . I'm still hoping Mallett comes to DC at 41 or 49