patweisers44 697 Posted October 27, 2011 Instead of doing this section by section, i will draft a document and forward via email to everyone. We can use this forum to discuss topics/changes/additions/etc. I will incorporate all the current rules (as I understand them) and try to put in some logical rules that are lacking currently. We'll have plenty of time to hash this all out prior to our next draft. Stevo, Kuntooloo, BLS etc. Give me a shot a righting things and getting this Charger out of the ditch. You guys are all good owners and this is a fun league. If we get a set of rules in place things will run smoothly from the end of this season on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,567 Posted October 27, 2011 Instead of doing this section by section, i will draft a document and forward via email to everyone. We can use this forum to discuss topics/changes/additions/etc. I will incorporate all the current rules (as I understand them) and try to put in some logical rules that are lacking currently. We'll have plenty of time to hash this all out prior to our next draft. Stevo, Kuntooloo, BLS etc. Give me a shot a righting things and getting this Charger out of the ditch. You guys are all good owners and this is a fun league. If we get a set of rules in place things will run smoothly from the end of this season on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
patweisers44 697 Posted November 2, 2011 Okay fuckos, i have drafted a document. It has holes, some interpretation thrown in there on my part, and it has places (IN BOLD CAPS) that are dialogue for league discussion. This may have things completely missing as well. Look forward to all those interested in helping to give comments, critique, and contributions. I will email today. ETA: I used the email addresses on the league website. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted November 2, 2011 It needs more penalties and fines. :mad: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,567 Posted November 2, 2011 BLS is the only one that needs a copy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,551 Posted November 2, 2011 Doesn't matter whatever stupid rules you dummies put in place, I'll still continue to kick your asses. Assuming I make the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,567 Posted November 2, 2011 word, words, words. YUP! looks good to me! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted November 2, 2011 The Draft: I like the way we did it this year as oppose to the quick 2 hour draft. Mostly because I enjoyed trading during the draft. I traded up to get AJ Green when he slipped. And I traded a future pick for a pick this year so I could land Andy Dalton. And I know other people made trades as well. Seems like that's how Edjr landed Julio Jones, but I could be wrong. Lets keep the slow draft going. If I recall, it only took about 3 days to complete and we had no real problems. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
patweisers44 697 Posted November 2, 2011 The Draft: I like the way we did it this year as oppose to the quick 2 hour draft. Mostly because I enjoyed trading during the draft. I traded up to get AJ Green when he slipped. And I traded a future pick for a pick this year so I could land Andy Dalton. And I know other people made trades as well. Seems like that's how Edjr landed Julio Jones, but I could be wrong. Lets keep the slow draft going. If I recall, it only took about 3 days to complete and we had no real problems. Noted, good stuff. Keep it coming... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 917 Posted November 2, 2011 Maybe I missed a conversation, but when did we discuss this part? The league shall be made up of 12 teams playing in three divisions. Divisions will change on a yearly basis. Division assignment shall be made via draft. Current season division winners will have a three-round non-serpentine draft of the remaining 9 teams. Division winner with the worst record (#3 seed in playoffs) will have first choice, 2nd best division winner (#2 seed in playoffs) picks second, then the division winner with the best record picks last in each round. The “divisions draft” shall be completed after the Super Bowl, but prior to the NFL draft. In the event that the “divisions draft” is not completed, divisions will remain as they were for the prior year. Are you making up your own rules as you go? We've never realigned divisions once, and I don't remember voting on this new proposal? I'd prefer if we drafted the constitution based on our current configuration and then vote on proposed changes (like this one). ETA: I think the league fee's are actually 55$ (to account for MFL fees). Good job man. Thanks for the effort. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
patweisers44 697 Posted November 2, 2011 Maybe I missed a conversation, but when did we discuss this part? The league shall be made up of 12 teams playing in three divisions. Divisions will change on a yearly basis. Division assignment shall be made via draft. Current season division winners will have a three-round non-serpentine draft of the remaining 9 teams. Division winner with the worst record (#3 seed in playoffs) will have first choice, 2nd best division winner (#2 seed in playoffs) picks second, then the division winner with the best record picks last in each round. The “divisions draft” shall be completed after the Super Bowl, but prior to the NFL draft. In the event that the “divisions draft” is not completed, divisions will remain as they were for the prior year. Are you making up your own rules as you go? We've never realigned divisions once, and I don't remember voting on this new proposal? I'd prefer if we drafted the constitution based on our current configuration and then vote on proposed changes (like this one). ETA: I think the league fee's are actually 55$ (to account for MFL fees). Good job man. Thanks for the effort. Everything in the document is open for discussion right now, that specific piece was mentioned earlier and no one complained. Certainly if no one wants it we will take it out. Also, 55 sounds right. Keep up the suggestions, we'll keep shaping this document. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 917 Posted November 3, 2011 Everything in the document is open for discussion right now, that specific piece was mentioned earlier and no one complained. Certainly if no one wants it we will take it out. Also, 55 sounds right. Keep up the suggestions, we'll keep shaping this document. All im saying is that at this point the document should reflect our current rules/configuration, not changes people are proposing. Really has nothing to do with taking it out. Those aren't our current rules, so they shouldn't be in our current document. People have mentioned addig a 3rd WR and changing a passing TD to 4 points. Why don't we just add those to the constitution now too? I'm totally open to voting for this change (and others), but we need to be consistent... We need to draft a doc that represents our current rules/configuration, raise proposed changes for vote, during some sort of established time period in the offseason (which we'll define in the doc), vote on those changes and then update doc to reflect them. Just my .02 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted November 3, 2011 All im saying is that at this point the document should reflect our current rules/configuration, not changes people are proposing. Really has nothing to do with taking it out. Those aren't our current rules, so they shouldn't be in our current document. People have mentioned addig a 3rd WR and changing a passing TD to 4 points. Why don't we just add those to the constitution now too? I'm totally open to voting for this change (and others), but we need to be consistent... We need to draft a doc that represents our current rules/configuration, raise proposed changes for vote, during some sort of established time period in the offseason (which we'll define in the doc), vote on those changes and then update doc to reflect them. Just my .02 Who invited the square? Right guys! I mean, come on! Whose with me? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
patweisers44 697 Posted November 3, 2011 All im saying is that at this point the document should reflect our current rules/configuration, not changes people are proposing. Really has nothing to do with taking it out. Those aren't our current rules, so they shouldn't be in our current document. People have mentioned addig a 3rd WR and changing a passing TD to 4 points. Why don't we just add those to the constitution now too? I'm totally open to voting for this change (and others), but we need to be consistent... We need to draft a doc that represents our current rules/configuration, raise proposed changes for vote, during some sort of established time period in the offseason (which we'll define in the doc), vote on those changes and then update doc to reflect them. Just my .02 To be honest, i kept most of the rules the same, and i tried to anticipate where the league would head on other things. Obviously, anything and everything is open to discussion. We'll keep discussing changes, i will update the document, and eventually put it to a vote. I feel like this is the time we should put everything in place that we want to accomplish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,551 Posted November 3, 2011 I poop on your Constitution. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
patweisers44 697 Posted November 3, 2011 I poop on your Constitution. Shiot or get off the pot on this league, fucko. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IAMWood 6 Posted November 3, 2011 Why only $20 waiver money? I know it is all relative but maybe spread it out some. Like $100 nasty bucks. I really don't care that much, but think it would be better. Defensive scoring needs to be enhanced, someone smarter than me help me out here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gocolts 300 Posted November 3, 2011 Why only $20 waiver money? I know it is all relative but maybe spread it out some. Like $100 nasty bucks. I really don't care that much, but think it would be better. Defensive scoring needs to be enhanced, someone smarter than me help me out here. I am just now starting to grasp how the waiver wire works, so lets change it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted November 4, 2011 Why only $20 waiver money? I know it is all relative but maybe spread it out some. Like $100 nasty bucks. I really don't care that much, but think it would be better. I'm cool with that, but let's make it so that we have to bid in $5 increments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,567 Posted November 4, 2011 Why only $20 waiver money? I know it is all relative but maybe spread it out some. Like $100 nasty bucks. I really don't care that much, but think it would be better. Defensive scoring needs to be enhanced, someone smarter than me help me out here. This is a dynasty league. it is 20 because you need to think about who you want to pickup. I have been out of nasty bucks for 4 weeks since I spent 7 on Victor Cruz. That was the chance I took and that's fine with me. I have said we should change it to 20 nasty bucks for the blind bidding till Thursday morning. First come first serve after that until Sunday morning and back to BB on Tuesday. No one has opposed this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 917 Posted November 4, 2011 I have said we should change it to 20 nasty bucks for the blind bidding till Thursday morning. First come first serve after that until Sunday morning and back to BB on Tuesday. No one has opposed this. +1 for this. I would also like to see a FCFS FA period, after waivers run on Thursday. The current settings make it impossible for people with no Nasty Bucks left (like myself), to pick up a kicker or whatever, if an injury happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,567 Posted November 4, 2011 +1 for this. I would also like to see a FCFS FA period, after waivers run on Thursday. The current settings make it impossible for people with no Nasty Bucks left (like myself), to pick up a kicker or whatever, if an injury happens. Why did you say also? That is exactly what I just said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bigtraine 24 Posted November 4, 2011 Why did you say also? That is exactly what I just said. He said also because he was agreeing with you. Which is also why he said the same thing you said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 917 Posted November 4, 2011 He said also because he was agreeing with you. Which is also why he said the same thing you said. al·so adv \ˈȯl(t)-(ˌ)sō, ˈȯ-\ Definition of ALSO 1 : likewise 1 Try to keep up corky... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted November 4, 2011 Why did you say also? That is exactly what I just said. I'm with the baby killer. Once Mobb said "+1", I knew he agreed. Typing the rest was redundant and odd. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gocolts 300 Posted November 4, 2011 This is a dynasty league. it is 20 because you need to think about who you want to pickup. I have been out of nasty bucks for 4 weeks since I spent 7 on Victor Cruz. That was the chance I took and that's fine with me. I have said we should change it to 20 nasty bucks for the blind bidding till Thursday morning. First come first serve after that until Sunday morning and back to BB on Tuesday. No one has opposed this. :thumbsup: I agree with edjr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 917 Posted November 4, 2011 I'm with the baby killer. Once Mobb said "+1", I knew he agreed. Typing the rest was redundant and odd. who died and reincarnated into you, as a tool? latin_pimp, that you? Did you hack cb's account? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted November 4, 2011 who died and reincarnated into you, as a tool? latin_pimp, that you? Did you hack cb's account? You don't think this issue is important? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IAMWood 6 Posted November 8, 2011 This is a dynasty league. it is 20 because you need to think about who you want to pickup. I have been out of nasty bucks for 4 weeks since I spent 7 on Victor Cruz. That was the chance I took and that's fine with me. I have said we should change it to 20 nasty bucks for the blind bidding till Thursday morning. First come first serve after that until Sunday morning and back to BB on Tuesday. No one has opposed this. I am good with this. Or $100 in $5 increments, or $7 increments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 917 Posted April 18, 2012 Alright. Here's what I came up with folks. It's a combo of what Patweiser wrote, with a few clarifications and additions. This hopefully details all our rules, as they stand today. Let me know if anything doesn't jive and we'll discuss. Once we do the vote for any proposed changes I'll update the doc and pin a new "Official Constitution" thread. I'm also about to send a .docx version out via email. Check your spam if you don't see it. I. Franchises: Romosexuals (mobb_deep) The Blood Bombs (cbfalcon) peaces (kutulu) Boston Cheatriots (Edjr) SUXNBME The Fightin' Neckbeards (BigTraine) PeckerWoods (IAMWOOD) 4th and 9 Inches (patweisers44) Sweater Meat (mmmmm...beer) Medstudent Big_Blue_06 Dung Dealers (GoColts) II. Settings & Scoring: A. Settings: 1. Max Teams: 12 2. Divisions: 3 (Marino, Elway, Montana) 3. Scoring: Head-to-Head 4. Can’t Cut List: None 5. Max Moves/Transactions: Unlimited 6. Waiver Time: 2 Days 7. Waiver Type: FAAB w/ Overall Winning % tiebreak ($20 “Nasty Bucks”) 8: Weekly Waivers: First game of week – Tuesday 9. Trade Review: Commissioner 10. Playoffs: Weeks 14, 15, & 16 11. Roster Positions: 30 (and 2 IR spot) QB (1) WR (2) RB (2) TE (1) WR/RB/TE (FLEX) (1) K (1) DEF (1) Bench (21) IR (2) 12. Fractional Points: Yes 13. Negative Points: Yes 14. Draft Type: Slow Draft on MFL and/or FFToday DNDL Forum 15. Draft Format: Standard (non-snake) B. Scoring: OFFENSE 1. Passing Yards: 25 yards per point 2. Passing Touchdowns: 6 Points 3. Interceptions: -1 Points 4. Rushing Yards: 10 yards per point 5. Rushing Touchdowns: 6 Points 6. Reception Yards: 10 yards per point 7. Reception Touchdowns: 6 points 8. 2-Point Conversions: 2 Points 9. Fumbles Lost: -1 Points KICKING 1. Field Goal Made (0 - 39 yds): 3 Points 2. Field Goal Made (40 - 49 yds): 5 Points 3. Field Goal Made (50 - 59 yds): 7 Points 4. Field Goal Made (60 - 99 yds): 10 Points 5. PAT Made: 1 Point DEFENSE/SPECIAL TEAMS: 1. Sack: 1 Point 2. Interception: 1 Point 3. Fumble Recovery: 1 Point 4. Touchdown: 6 Points 5. Safety: 3 Points 6. Return Touchdowns: 6 Points 7. Points Allowed (0 Points): 10 Points 8. Points Allowed (1 - 7 Points): 7 Points 9. Points Allowed (8 - 14 Points): 3 Points 10. Points Allowed (14 - 20 Points): 1 Point 11. Points Allowed (15 - 30 Points): 0 Points 12. Points Allowed (31 - 99 Points): -5 Points III. Keeper/Dynasty, Draft, Scheduling, Trading and Miscellaneous: A. Picking Keepers 1. No more than Twenty-five (25) Keepers will be selected a minimum of one (1) week before the rookie draft. Failing to do so will result in a stiff kick in the ass. Continued failures will result in a loss of a 1st round draft pick. 2. Each franchise must cut down to at least twenty-five (25) players one (1) week before the draft. This includes players that were placed on IR the previous season. 3. If a franchise has more than 5 picks in the rookie draft, they must either cut additional players or forfeit picks. At no time may a team carry more than 30 active players. B. Keeper/Dynasty Limitations: None 1. There is no limit to the number of seasons players may be kept. C. Divisions and Scheduling: 1. The league shall be split into 3 permanent divisions. 2. Franchises will play opponents within their division twice yearly and opponents outside their division once yearly. 3. To achieve this schedule, all franchises will play a “double-header” during week 12 of the DNDL season (the first week AFTER all of the NFL bye weeks). D. Playoffs: 1. The playoffs will occur weeks 14, 15 and 16 of the NFL season. 2. 6 teams will make the playoffs. 3 Divisional Winners. 2 Wild Card teams (best remaining record, with total points used for any seeding tie breaker). 1 Additional Wild Card team (most points scored - the highest scoring team remaining) 3. The two teams with the best record will be awarded a first round bye (total points used for any seeding tie breaker). 4. 3rd place will play 6th place and 4th place will play 5th place. 5. Playoff match-up’s will reseed after the first round (1st place will play the lowest remaining seed). E. Draft: 1. Draft Order will be the inverse of the previous season's Post-Season Standings (Last place picks 1st and vice versa). 2. The annual rookie draft will be a standard “non-snaking” draft. The team that picked 1st in round 1, will pick 1st in round 2, 3, so on and so forth. 3. The annual draft will be scheduled to start the 1st or 2nd week of August. League members will agree on a suitable date for all, on a year by year basis. 4. The draft will be a “slow draft”, taking place on the MFL DNDL league site. The picks will also be displayed in a thread on the FFToday DNDL league forum. The commissioner will use this information to assist league members with MFL access issues at work. 12 hour time limit for picks 8-5 PST Monday-Friday No time limit on weekends or evenings 5. Trading is permitted throughout the course of the draft. The same rules apply, in regards to tradable assets. F. Injured Reserve: 1. Managers may place two (2) players on the Injured Reserve for Keeper consideration the following year. 2. Those players must be removed from IR and returned to the active roster, before the annual cut-down date. G. Trading: 1. The annual trade deadline will occur on the last day preceding Week 11 match-up’s. 2. The league will open back up for trading the week following the DNDL "Nasty Bowl". 3. Tradable assets are limited to currently rostered players, future draft picks and “Nasty Bucks”. 4. No other monetary means or other forms of compensation are approved trade assets. 5. All trades are reviewed by the commissioner and processed immediately after. 6. No trades will be rejected, unless collusion is suspected. If collusion is suspected, the commissioner will speak with both parties of interest and call a league vote, if deemed necessary. 7. No “trade backs” allowed. Trading the same player(s) back and forth between the same two teams, over the course of a single season is prohibited. 8. The technical capabilities of MFL take precedence in rules surrounding trading. Situations that are outside the scope of the host software (ie. “the option to swap a pick”) are prohibited. H. BLS Rule: 1. No Manager shall take actions to intentionally lose games or points. These actions include, but are not limited to: Knowingly leaving starting roster positions empty. Benching top players for scrubs. Releasing top players to Waiver Wire. Collusion: Managers taking collaborated actions to improve a team at the expense of another. 2. Any Manager(s) judged to be partaking in such actions will get last pick of the following year’s draft. Continued bad behavior will result in league expulsion! 3. The Commissioner will have final rule in matters of fair play. I. Miscellaneous Rules: 1. Scoring plays as a result of fake punts are not counted under ST/Defense scoring 2. The WW will close at the conclusion of the DNDL regular season, and remain closed until waivers run, after the week 1 match-up’s the following season. 3. No team may carry more than 3 kickers or 2 defenses on their roster at any time. IV. Finances: A. League Dues: 1. $50.00 per team (plus equally divided MFL league fees and a one (1) time 25$ “quitters fee”). Teams will be eligible to receive back their “quitters fee” after three (3) consecutive years in the league. League fees are due one week prior to the annual rookie draft. Failing to do so will result in a stiff kick in the ass. Continued failures will result in a loss of a 1st round draft pick. B. Pay-outs: Weekly High Scoring Player: 5$ Weekly High Scoring Team: 10$ Divisional Winners: 25$ 3rd Place: $30 2nd Place: $100 Champion: $200 Appendix: The DNDL Constitution is a living document and therefore treated as such. It is by no means meant to cover every nuance of every rule. It can and will be edited, as deemed necessary by the league as a collective. Common sense takes precedence in matters outside the scope of the DNDL Constitution. When common sense alludes, the commissioner will rule, with the best interest of the league in mind. “So it is written, so shall it be done.” - Yul Brenner Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbfalcon 824 Posted April 18, 2012 I still don't get why anyone would be against mid draft trades. Last season we did a slow draft (took maybe 3 days) and we made lots of trades during the draft that had a giant affect on things. I know Ed got Julio Jones via in draft trade. I acquired AJ Green and Andy Dalton that way. It was awesome for me and Ed. I mean, fucck shiit cocck! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 917 Posted April 18, 2012 I still don't get why anyone would be against mid draft trades. Last season we did a slow draft (took maybe 3 days) and we made lots of trades during the draft that had a giant affect on things. I know Ed got Julio Jones via in draft trade. I acquired AJ Green and Andy Dalton that way. It was awesome for me and Ed. I mean, fucck shiit cocck! It was part of patweisers doc. I just took what he wrote, added a few things and merged with the template I use for my other league. It's just a revision. We'll go with whatever the majority wants. I'm just putting something "official" out there to start the discussion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IAMWood 6 Posted April 18, 2012 Two things I noticed after first read. 1. We should be able to trade immediately after the Nasty Bowl, rules above say after NFL draft. I just want the option, I don't see anything negative about that. 2. Roster cut down requirement should only be to 25 players. If you have say 8 picks in draft, you shouldn't have to cut down to 22. Your roster just can't go over 30. So once you hit 30 players, you either have to skip any remaining pick or drop a player to make room. I would say the dropped player is immediately available to be drafted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gocolts 300 Posted April 18, 2012 2. Roster cut down requirement should only be to 25 players. If you have say 8 picks in draft, you shouldn't have to cut down to 22. Your roster just can't go over 30. So once you hit 30 players, you either have to skip any remaining pick or drop a player to make room. I would say the dropped player is immediately available to be drafted. I think this is how we have done it in the past. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IAMWood 6 Posted April 18, 2012 I think this is how we have done it in the past. Right, just not what the rules say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,551 Posted April 18, 2012 I am against this stupid "constitution" idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 917 Posted April 18, 2012 Two things I noticed after first read. 1. We should be able to trade immediately after the Nasty Bowl, rules above say after NFL draft. I just want the option, I don't see anything negative about that. Got no problem with that. As long as people don't have the expectation that trades will be pushed through as quickly as they would in the regular season. I originally did "after the NFL draft" to give the commish some time off between seasons. "2. The league will open back up for trading the week following the DNDL “Nasty Bowl”." 2. Roster cut down requirement should only be to 25 players. If you have say 8 picks in draft, you shouldn't have to cut down to 22. Your roster just can't go over 30. So once you hit 30 players, you either have to skip any remaining pick or drop a player to make room. I would say the dropped player is immediately available to be drafted. Ok, I'll reword the document more in line with this. I wasn't exactly sure how the rule was interpreted. "3. If a franchise has more than 5 picks in the rookie draft, they must either cut additional players or forfeit picks. At no time may a team carry more than 30 active players." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mobb_deep 917 Posted April 18, 2012 What is everyone's opinion on the trading during the draft? I think patweisers wrote that in, because he wanted to try and do a quick 2 or 3 hour MFL draft. I personally like the slow draft (12 hour limit 9-5 mon-fri or whatever it was) and think the trading makes it more interesting. What say you all? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,551 Posted April 19, 2012 I say trading should be allowed during the draft and before the draft. I call for an immediate league vote regarding the trade period. I propose trading be allowed starting one week prior to the NFL draft. Which is tomorrow, mother fockers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gocolts 300 Posted April 19, 2012 What is everyone's opinion on the trading during the draft? I think patweisers wrote that in, because he wanted to try and do a quick 2 or 3 hour MFL draft. I personally like the slow draft (12 hour limit 9-5 mon-fri or whatever it was) and think the trading makes it more interesting. What say you all? I agree with this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites