Flu vaccines

[JT 137]

Agreed. We didnt vaccinate our duaghter....and she only eats organic food. Im not sure this kid has ever even had a cold....certainly not sick and she getting close to 2.

 

I asked these doctors point blank....."Is there anything she can get...if we dont get her shots....that you cant cure or fix?"

 

"No"...all of them said.

 

 

if thats the case....ill take my chances not loading my kid up with all sorts of shots with all kinds of stuff in them.

 

Now some of it is based off we live in Iowa, a relatively healthy state, no smog, no widespread incidences of disease. My view may be different if we lived in say..LA.

 

It's also another issue when she reaches school age. It's not always your habits, but the habits of those around you.

 

But above all, congratulations on having a healthy child.

[cyclone24 1,935]

It's also another issue when she reaches school age. It's not always your habits, but the habits of those around you.

 

But above all, congratulations on having a healthy child.

 

 

True true....im not downing anyone that has their kid vaccinated...i certainly understand that side. And yeah i think if we didnt live in Iowa....my opinion might be different.

 

And thanks

[penultimatestraw 473]

Overblown. I'm sure there are people who have a gluten intolerance that are helped by it. What is the disease? Celiac? They need a gluten free diet. But for the vast majority of people, there is no need to cut out gluten.

 

If you have gastrointestinal problems maybe you should look into it. But otherwise, save your money.

 

And it's another unproven treatment for autism. Along with casein free. I feel bad for the mothers who will try anything.

I thought so too, but there is some data that suggests improvement in somatic complaints following a gluten-free diet in those without celiac disease. It's likely placebo effect, but there are low levels (beneath diagnostic threshold for sprue) of anti-gliadin/endomysial/tTG Ab in the general population. Makes you wonder if it is really just naturopathic BS...

[penultimatestraw 473]

Agreed. We didnt vaccinate our duaghter....and she only eats organic food. Im not sure this kid has ever even had a cold....certainly not sick and she getting close to 2.

 

I asked these doctors point blank....."Is there anything she can get...if we dont get her shots....that you cant cure or fix?"

 

"No"...all of them said.

 

 

if thats the case....ill take my chances not loading my kid up with all sorts of shots with all kinds of stuff in them.

 

Now some of it is based off we live in Iowa, a relatively healthy state, no smog, no widespread incidences of disease. My view may be different if we lived in say..LA.

There is no cure for measles, mumps, rubella, rotavirus, hepatitis A, and polio. There are treatments for hep B, varicella (chickenpox), diptheria, hemophilus B, flu, pertussis, strep pneumonia, and tetanus. Granted, many of those illnesses are self-limited, but some have serious consequences, including death. And treatments aren't 100% effective in any case. Here is a summary: My link

 

Also FYI: My link

May 25, 2011

 

Iowa Department of Public Health officials said a case of measles has been confirmed in a Dallas County resident.

 

Officials said the case is being treated as a public health emergency because measles spreads easily and can cause serious illness and death.

 

Dr. Ravi Vemuri is a Mercy Medical Center infectious diseases specialist. He said the infected patient is a child who returned from a trip to India. Vemuri also told KCCI that an additional 17 people have been quarantined in their homes, and another eight people are expected to be quarantined soon.

My link

Mumps Epidemic --- Iowa, 2006

 

In the United States, since 2001, an average of 265 mumps cases (range: 231--293 cases) have been reported each year,* and in Iowa, an average of five cases have been reported annually since 1996.† However, in 2006, by March 28, a total of 219 mumps cases§ had been reported in Iowa (Figure 1), and an additional 14 persons with clinically compatible symptoms were being investigated in three neighboring states (11 in Illinois, two in Nebraska, and one in Minnesota) in what has become the largest epidemic of mumps in the United States since 1988 (1). This report summarizes and characterizes the ongoing mumps epidemic in Iowa, the public health response, and recommendations for preventing further transmission.

 

Mumps is an acute viral infection characterized by fever and nonsuppurative swelling of the salivary glands; an estimated 20%--30% of cases are asymptomatic. Complications can include inflammation of the testicles or ovaries, meningitis/encephalitis, spontaneous abortion, and deafness.

My link

September 08, 2012

 

A 500 percent increase in cases of whooping cough across Iowa has prompted health officials to focus on preventative measures, including increased awareness of the need to be vaccinated against the disease and encouraging parents to keep sick children home from school.

 

A total of 1,040 cases of the disease, also known as pertussis, have been reported statewide through August this year, with at least 89 cases diagnosed in Scott County. The Bettendorf School District is dealing with one confirmed case, while the county recorded seven cases in July, 13 in August and one so far this month.

 

With three months left in 2012, the numbers are on track for it to be the worst year for whooping cough since 2005. Iowa recorded 232 whooping cough cases in 2011, but there were 1,106 cases in 2005 and 1,066 cases in 2004.

 

“Those high numbers come and go,” said Dr. Patricia Quinlisk, an epidemiologist who is medical director of the Iowa Department of Public Health in Des Moines. “Pertussis is one of those illnesses, it just comes and goes in waves every couple of years. It’s also happening around the U.S. and in the world.”

 

Whooping cough is a respiratory illness that causes severe coughing spells, which might be followed by vomiting. The disease begins like a cold, with a runny nose and an irritating cough. It is characterized by severe coughing spells that end in a “whooping” sound when the person breathes in. The disease is spread through the air when infected people cough or sneeze and others inhale the infected droplets.

[kutulu 1,703]

Going to get mine now...hopefully I don't have to walk back to work backwards.

[KSB2424 3,173]

It amazes me when folks don't properly care for their kids and get them vaccinated. And seemingly smart, educated people fall in this category. You're putting your kid at risk, you're putting your community at a greater risk. All over false informtaion. Every single medical professional I've read or talked to personally is adament about getting your kid vaccinated. They get their own kids and grandkids vaccinated. Any respected medial journal in the past decade that has studied it, has disputed the Autism/Vaccine link.

 

Old diseases that were once almost extinct are now coming back due to ignorant, self serving parents.

 

I mean really, who would you listen too? Jenny McCarthy or every single doctor on the planet? Think about it for just one second.

[KSB2424 3,173]

Eat healthy, excercise, don't smoke and vaccinate. Live long and prosper.

 

I remember when my wife was preggos with our first child. I researched every thing. I mean everything. So naturally, vaccines was one of the topics. I asked our pediatrician, I asked my neighbor/friend who is a Pediatric P.A. I read every single respected online journal/publication about it. Every single one of them stated to vaccinate your children. The people I talked to looked at me like I was crazy for even asking. It was a "no-brainer" in their expert opinions. They looked at me the same way as if I asked them if Santa Claus was real.

 

I'm just saying folks. We all love the hell out of our babies and are scared to do anything that may hurt them. I have a 3 year old and a six month old so I get it. Trust me, and I'm OCD about stuff like this to begin with. But the overwhelming science says it's best to vaccinate. That you would be doing more harm by NOT vaccinating. I'm just saying. Do your own research like I did, educate yourself the best you can as you should, and if you do I think you will come to the same obvious conclusion.

[kutulu 1,703]

Going to get mine now...hopefully I don't have to walk back to work backwards.

 

Raf os smelborp on.

[DAVID RUFFIN 2]

That wasn't the case for a long long time. And I will not let my children get injected with crap that I have no idea what is in there on the .000001% chance they are going to get some disease that has been dead in this country for decades. Sorry if that offends you as someone in the medical field.

 

On the other note. I shop at organic supermarkets and I only buy organic produce and meat. I don't buy fish that are known to be high in mercury and I can only assume I will continue this behavior when I have kids as I have been conscious of this for over a decade. We will mostly live a predominantly vegetarian life except for the fact that my future husband likes meat too much but I think what will happen is he eats the deer meat that he kills every season (which is 100% natural and chemical free) and me and my children eat organic vegetables, cage-free non-chemical doused meat, and we're all happy and healthy.

 

Vaccines are the reason some disease have been dead in this country for decades.

[OilFieldTrash 0]

 

Old diseases that were once almost extinct are now coming back due to ignorant, self serving parents.

 

 

Could it be that these diseases are mutating to combat the vaccinations? That's why we have to get a flu shot every flu season.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

Vaccines are the reason some disease have been dead in this country for decades.

 

How dare you question Nikki on this point? She's "educated".

[penultimatestraw 473]

Could it be that these diseases are mutating to combat the vaccinations? That's why we have to get a flu shot every flu season.

The outbreaks are not due to resistant microorganisms.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Raf os smelborp on.

This gut gets it.

[penultimatestraw 473]

It amazes me when folks don't properly care for their kids and get them vaccinated. And seemingly smart, educated people fall in this category. You're putting your kid at risk, you're putting your community at a greater risk. All over false informtaion. Every single medical professional I've read or talked to personally is adament about getting your kid vaccinated. They get their own kids and grandkids vaccinated. Any respected medial journal in the past decade that has studied it, has disputed the Autism/Vaccine link.

 

Old diseases that were once almost extinct are now coming back due to ignorant, self serving parents.

 

I mean really, who would you listen too? Jenny McCarthy or every single doctor on the planet? Think about it for just one second.

I'm flabbergasted by the ignorance on display in this thread. Glad you made the effort to educate yourself.

[IGotWorms 4,063]

I'm flabbergasted by the ignorance on display in this thread.

 

Are you really? If you look around just the threads on the first page, you'll see some guy who thinks the FBI names it's wifi network "FBI Surveillance Van", a guy who has never ever in his life heard the term "medical bankruptcy", and another poster who swears that potato chips and pizza are just as healthy as a serving of raw fruits and vegetables.

 

Face it man, there's an astounding number of ignorant focks on this bored.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Are you really? If you look around just the threads on the first page, you'll see some guy who thinks the FBI names it's wifi network "FBI Surveillance Van", a guy who has never ever in his life heard the term "medical bankruptcy", and another poster who swears that potato chips and pizza are just as healthy as a serving of raw fruits and vegetables.

 

Face it man, there's an astounding number of ignorant focks on this bored.

I was telling my wife about this thread and she was pretty appalled as well. I asked what her non-medical friends believed and she quickly defended them as "not stupid". The thing is, most of these guys aren't stupid. It's amazing how the internet can simultaneously promote knowledge and ignorance, depending on what one wants to see.

[jerryskids 7,085]

I'm almost positive my wife had pertussis this summer. Started around the 4th of July, and she still has occasional coughing fits (mostly when she laughs, interestingly). Through this we learned that incidences are on the rise in AZ. So it is alive and kicking.

 

Anyway, I plan to get my daughter the flu shot next week (fall break) because with her diabetes it would be particularly dangerous for her to get the flu. And while I'm at it we'll probably go as a family and all get them.

[penultimatestraw 473]

I'm almost positive my wife had pertussis this summer. Started around the 4th of July, and she still has occasional coughing fits (mostly when she laughs, interestingly). Through this we learned that incidences are on the rise in AZ. So it is alive and kicking.

 

Anyway, I plan to get my daughter the flu shot next week (fall break) because with her diabetes it would be particularly dangerous for her to get the flu. And while I'm at it we'll probably go as a family and all get them.

She may also have post-viral bronchospasm, which is a common cause of wheezing and coughing after an infection. It can last for months. I glad to see you've been trying to contain the funny to prevent her fits.

[jerryskids 7,085]

She may also have post-viral bronchospasm, which is a common cause of wheezing and coughing after an infection. It can last for months. I glad to see you've been trying to contain the funny to prevent her fits.

Interesting, thanks I'll look that up. She went to Urgent Care eventually and despite all of the symptoms for pertussis they said "probably not, maybe you have Valley Fever?" Sigh... they gave her an inhaler (steroid I think) that didn't help. Anyway by the time you determine it is pertussis (if you do, which we didn't), there isn't much you can do, so she just let it run its course.

 

Also I wondered if anyone would hit that softball on the funny thing, kudos.

[penultimatestraw 473]

Interesting, thanks I'll look that up. She went to Urgent Care eventually and despite all of the symptoms for pertussis they said "probably not, maybe you have Valley Fever?" Sigh... they gave her an inhaler (steroid I think) that didn't help. Anyway by the time you determine it is pertussis (if you do, which we didn't), there isn't much you can do, so she just let it run its course.

 

Also I wondered if anyone would hit that softball on the funny thing, kudos.

The inhaler should have helped if it were bronchospasm. I don't know why they were guessing about pertussis (depending on when she sought evaluation); there is a swab test that can confirm or refute the diagnosis. That being said, it would not be cost effective as she is past the point that antibiotics help and should not be contagious either.

 

Other considerations for her cough include allergies/upper airway cough syndrome (AKA post nasal drip), gastroesophageal reflux or medication side effect. I'm assuming she is a nonsmoker and otherwise healthy.

[Mike Honcho 5,433]

It amazes me when folks don't properly care for their kids and get them vaccinated. And seemingly smart, educated people fall in this category. You're putting your kid at risk, you're putting your community at a greater risk. All over false informtaion. Every single medical professional I've read or talked to personally is adament about getting your kid vaccinated. They get their own kids and grandkids vaccinated. Any respected medial journal in the past decade that has studied it, has disputed the Autism/Vaccine link.

 

Old diseases that were once almost extinct are now coming back due to ignorant, self serving parents.

 

I mean really, who would you listen too? Jenny McCarthy or every single doctor on the planet? Think about it for just one second.

 

There's a .0000000000000001% chance Jenny McCarthy might one day blow me, so yeah, I'll hear her out.

[Mike Honcho 5,433]

Now I know why you are mad as a hatter. Almost all vaccines for children are mercury-free (thimerosol is the mercury-containing preservative). The CDC is your friend As far as the natural=good assumption, some of the most potent toxins known are natural (see ricin, botulin toxin, etc.). Regarding avoiding mercury, when will you let your kids eat seafood, if at all? Will you let your children get fillings for their cavities? When can the kids indulge in alcohol/pot - they are natural, after all?

 

I'm guessing you probably don't know the origin of the phrase "mad as a hatter", because it was a pretty ironic choice of words when talking to someone who's trying to avoid mercury.

[jerryskids 7,085]

The inhaler should have helped if it were bronchospasm. I don't know why they were guessing about pertussis (depending on when she sought evaluation); there is a swab test that can confirm or refute the diagnosis. That being said, it would not be cost effective as she is past the point that antibiotics help and should not be contagious either.

 

Other considerations for her cough include allergies/upper airway cough syndrome (AKA post nasal drip), gastroesophageal reflux or medication side effect. I'm assuming she is a nonsmoker and otherwise healthy.

 

I don't know about the swab test; we suspected my diabetic daughter might have been getting it so we took her in, and she had to go to a lab for a blood test. Admittedly, our doc seemed pretty unfamiliar with pertussis. My daughter freaks out when getting blood drawn (which is weird, since she pokes herself 67823837 times a day to draw blood to test her sugar) so it would have been hella nice to have just done the swab. She didn't have it BTW.

 

Yep, nonsmoker and very healthy.

 

In my attempts to play doctor with her (heh heh), I suspected that the problem was due to prolonged exposure to athlete's foot spray. I don't know if any studies show possible longer-term lung damage from such sprays.

 

ETA: I meant play doctor with my wife, not daughter.

[penultimatestraw 473]

I'm guessing you probably don't know the origin of the phrase "mad as a hatter", because it was a pretty ironic choice of words when talking to someone who's trying to avoid mercury.

Au contraire, Mr. Honcho. I used the phrase intentionally.

[Mike Honcho 5,433]

Au contraire, Mr. Honcho. I used the phrase intentionally.

 

[penultimatestraw 473]

I don't know about the swab test; we suspected my diabetic daughter might have been getting it so we took her in, and she had to go to a lab for a blood test. Admittedly, our doc seemed pretty unfamiliar with pertussis. My daughter freaks out when getting blood drawn (which is weird, since she pokes herself 67823837 times a day to draw blood to test her sugar) so it would have been hella nice to have just done the swab. She didn't have it BTW.

 

Yep, nonsmoker and very healthy.

 

In my attempts to play doctor with her (heh heh), I suspected that the problem was due to prolonged exposure to athlete's foot spray. I don't know if any studies show possible longer-term lung damage from such sprays.

 

ETA: I meant play doctor with my wife, not daughter.

The swab ain't exactly pleasant, either. My link Also for the single blood test to be useful, it must be drawn between 2-12 weeks after cough onset. My link

 

There are myriad causes of hypersensitivity pneumonitis, though I've never heard of athletes' foot spray specifically.

[jerryskids 7,085]

The swab ain't exactly pleasant, either. My link Also for the single blood test to be useful, it must be drawn between 2-12 weeks after cough onset. My link

 

There are myriad causes of hypersensitivity pneumonitis, though I've never heard of athletes' foot spray specifically.

We had heard that you need to get it fast to have any chance of stopping it, so we took my daughter in around the beginning of week 2 or so, when first signs of the cough emerged. Normally we wouldn't have thought anything about her normal-seeming cold, but with my wife's symptoms and her diabetes... we also got the doc to give her a Z-pak, since by the time the results came back it would have been too late. Interestingly, the test result was ultimately negative, but the Z-pak seemed to significantly lessen the duration and severity of... whatever it was.

[MedStudent 56]

I read a.good book few years back about the 1918 influenza that killed 100 million people. 'The Great Influenza' by John Barry. It's kind of the beginning of modern medicine and so I found it fascinating. I think it's a good read for even non medical types as it goes into the charchters who shaped modern medicine. Up until that time most of the medical advances happened in Europe.

[penultimatestraw 473]

I read a.good book few years back about the 1918 influenza that killed 100 million people. 'The Great Influenza' by John Barry. It's kind of the beginning of modern medicine and so I found it fascinating. I think it's a good read for even non medical types as it goes into the charchters who shaped modern medicine. Up until that time most of the medical advances happened in Europe.

I did a presentation for my group on novel H1N1 and the "Spanish" flu. Might be helpful if people read about it so they know how serious influenza can be.

The pandemic lasted from January 1918 to December 1920,[3] spreading even to the Arctic and remote Pacific islands. Between 20 and 50 million died, making it one of the deadliest natural disasters in human history.[1][4][5][6][7] Using the higher estimate of 50 million people, 3% of the world's population (which was 1.86 billion at the time[8]) died of the disease. Some 500 million, or 27%, were infected

If avian influenza mutates allowing person-to-person spread we might have a similar pandemic on our hands - though the mortality of avian flu is higher…

 

Here is a nice PBS documentary on the subject: My link