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PRobably, cause a quick google led me to this:

 

Additional allegations of irregularities unconnected to individual voter fraud:

 

  • In Milwaukee, there were allegedly 8,300 more ballots cast than individuals processed as voting; the gap was later narrowed to 4,609. The discrepancy was later attributed to administrative error in reconciling poll book logs with ballots, and at least one typographical error in reporting results.

Oops, RP spreading more lies...

Why no link?

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PRobably, cause a quick google led me to this:

 

Additional allegations of irregularities unconnected to individual voter fraud:

 

  • In Milwaukee, there were allegedly 8,300 more ballots cast than individuals processed as voting; the gap was later narrowed to 4,609. The discrepancy was later attributed to administrative error in reconciling poll book logs with ballots, and at least one typographical error in reporting results.

Oops, RP spreading more lies...

 

Of course it's not connected to individual voter fraud. Where could you possibly get 4,500 people to cast fake ballots, without any one of those persons turning on you and telling everyone about your voter fraud plan? And wouldn't the poll workers notice that there were thousands and thousands of extra people voting? The whole idea is flat out ludicrous.

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MILWAUKEE —

A task force that was investigating possible voter fraud in Milwaukee released its findings Tuesday.

 

U.S. Attorney Steven Biskupic said investigators found more than 4,500 ballots were cast in Milwaukee than registered voters in the Nov. 2 election.

 

But he said they have not found any pattern of conspiracy to commit fraud.

 

Investigators also found more than 100 instances of suspected double-voting and more than 200 felons who voted improperly.

 

No one has been charged, but the investigation continues.

 

The Milwaukee County district attorney, the U.S. attorney and Milwaukee police joined the FBI in investigating reports of fake names and addresses for voters, double-voting and inaccurate voter registration lists on Election Day.

 

Read more: http://www.wisn.com/Task-Force-Finds-More-Ballots-Cast-Than-Registered-Voters/-/9374034/8039688/-/1mejop/-/index.html#ixzz28FLaoVWQ

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It's already been proven in the 8 years since that election that there weren't 4500 extra votes(maybe you haven't heard from Rush yet, he can be slow making corrections). Every time you link to another story about it you are knowingly lying. That's just sad.

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Federal law requires all males to identify themselves and register with Selective Service by their 18th birthday or face 5 years in prison and a $250k fine.

 

If you can ID yourself then, why cant you ID yourself when you vote?

 

You do have to identify yourself. It just doesn't have to be a photo ID.

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RP, I'll ask you the same questions I asked Thornton Melon:

 

- Have you personally ever voted fraudulently?

 

- Have you ever showed up to your polling place to vote, only to be told that someone had already voted under your name and address?

 

- Have you ever heard of this happening to anyone you know? (be honest)

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I put up a link a couple of pages ago. You probably dismissed it because it doesn't jive with your anti-American viewpoint.

 

I feel sorry for you and your ilk.

 

:(

 

 

You put up a link about a person from AZ.......WTF. :dunno:

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Voter fraud is committed in Philadelphia very regularly. It's a one party town, but that doesn't mean the union goons don't get the vote fraud out at various polling places. Sure, they stuff the ballet boxes with people who are dead or don't vote. But they also carry around weapons and yell at people arriving to polling places. It's lots of fun. Let's not forget that around half our politicians end up serving time for corruption or racketeering.

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Good Question: Is Minnesota #1 For Voter Fraud?

 

 

MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) – When you think of the hanging chads in Florida, or the dead people who cast ballots in Chicago, it makes a billboard along Interstate-94 south of Albertville difficult to believe.

 

“Minnesota: #1 in voter fraud,” reads the ad, directing to a website from Election Integrity Watch.

 

“I have always been of the impression that Minnesota, being full of honest hard working folks, was relatively free of voter fraud,” emailed Duncan Fowler.

 

“Is that really true?” asked Greg Anderson.

 

“According to the research we’ve conducted it is,” said Jeff Davis, president of Minnesota Majority, a group that’s been advocating for a voter ID law in Minnesota for years. Minnesota Majority is part of the coalition behind Election Integrity Watch.

 

“We have the most voter fraud convictions in any state in the last 50 years,” Davis said.

 

Whether or not that is true, depends on what you include in a definition of “voter fraud.” In Minnesota, the Court Information Office said they’ve convicted 156 people of being a felon and voting. That is illegal.

 

But is that really voter fraud?

 

“The definition of voter fraud is illegal voting,” Davis said.

 

 

 

Those 156 convictions are out of nearly 3 million votes cast in a typical presidential election. According to the state, there were 73 cases still pending.

 

But is it disingenuous to say we’re number one when it’s such a miniscule percentage?

 

“The stats bear it out,” Davis said. “It’s not our data, it’s the state’s data.”

 

“This is a patently false claim,” said Dan McGrath, executive director of Take Action MN, a group that’s been fighting against the photo ID constitutional amendment.

 

“In an election season it’s nothing new to hear allegations to stir up fear,” he said.

 

McGrath says that Minnesota has had some razor-thin elections, and we’ve had reason to look for evidence of fraud. That’s not true in every other state.

 

“They looked around the country, turns out no one’s done a study like this. Minnesota Majority is trying to stir up fear, trying to stir up anxiety about the voting system,” Mcgrath said.

 

If you think of voter fraud as an organized effort where people are impersonating other voters, there’s never been a conviction of that in Minnesota.

 

“The number of convictions represent a small slice, it’s an indicator, it’s the tip of the iceberg,” Davis said.

 

It’s impossible to know for sure if Minnesota is or isn’t number one in voter fraud.

 

 

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/08/14/good-question-is-minnesota-1-for-voter-fraud/

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Wow, are you really this stupid? :cry:

 

BTW: You still have not told me why you believe anyone in the world has a right to vote in American elections. Tell me what a "real" American thinks.

 

I'll answer your question when you show me where I said I believe everyone in the world has a right to vote in American elections. I have been clear that I think all AMERICANS have the right to vote and that right shouldn't be taken away.

 

You think it should. What other way should I describe you, then, except for anti-American, trending towards communist?

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RP, I'll ask you the same questions I asked Thornton Melon:

 

- Have you personally ever voted fraudulently?

 

- Have you ever showed up to your polling place to vote, only to be told that someone had already voted under your name and address?

 

- Have you ever heard of this happening to anyone you know? (be honest)

 

 

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RP, I'll ask you the same questions I asked Thornton Melon:

 

- Have you personally ever voted fraudulently?

 

- Have you ever showed up to your polling place to vote, only to be told that someone had already voted under your name and address?

 

- Have you ever heard of this happening to anyone you know? (be honest)

 

 

I guess it never happens then cause it hasn't happened to me either.

 

:doh:

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Recent Fraud

 

 

 

 

State

 

Year

 

Details

 

 

 

AR

 

1998

 

A contractor with ACORN-affiliated Project Vote was arrested for falsifying about 400 voter registration cards.

 

 

 

CO

 

2005

 

Two ex-ACORN employees were convicted in Denver of perjury for submitting false voter registrations.

 

 

 

 

 

2004

 

An ACORN employee admitted to forging signatures and registering three of her friends to vote 40 times.

 

 

 

CT

 

2008

 

The New York Post reported that ACORN submitted a voter registration card for a 7-year-old Bridgeport girl. Another 8,000 cards from the same city will be scrutinized for possible fraud.

 

 

 

FL

 

2009

 

In September, 11 ACORN workers were accused of forging voter registration applications in Miami-Dade County during the last election. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the state attorney’s office scoured hundreds of suspicious applications provided by ACORN and found 197 of 260 contained personal ID information that did not match any living person.

 

 

 

 

 

2008

 

Election officials in Brevard County have given prosecutors more than 23 suspect registrations from ACORN. The state's Division of Elections is also investigating complaints in Orange and Broward Counties.

 

 

 

 

 

2004

 

A Florida Department of Law Enforcement spokesman said ACORN was “singled out” among suspected voter registration groups for a 2004 wage initiative because it was “the common thread” in the agency’s fraud investigations.

 

 

 

IN

 

2008

 

Election officials in Indiana have thrown out more than 4,000 ACORN-submitted voter registrations after finding they had identical handwriting and included the names of many deceased Indianans, and even the name of a fast food restaurant.

 

 

 

MI

 

2008

 

Clerks in Detroit found a "sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent [voter] applications" from the Michigan branch of ACORN. Those applications have been turned over to the U.S. Attorney's office for investigation.

 

 

 

 

2004

 

The Detroit Free Press reported that “overzealous or unscrupulous campaign workers in several Michigan counties are under investigation for voter-registration fraud, suspected of attempting to register nonexistent people or forging applications for already-registered voters.” ACORN-affiliate Project Vote was one of two groups suspected of turning in the documents.

 

 

 

MO

 

2008

 

Nearly 400 ACORN-submitted registrations in Kansas City have been rejected due to duplication or fake information.

 

 

 

 

2007

 

Four ACORN employees were indicted in Kansas City for charges including identity theft and filing false registrations during the 2006 election.

 

 

 

 

2006

 

Eight ACORN employees in St. Louis were indicted on federal election fraud charges. Each of the eight faces up to five years in prison for forging signatures and submitting false information.

 

 

 

 

2003

 

Of 5,379 voter registration cards ACORN submitted in St. Louis, only 2,013 of those appeared to be valid. At least 1,000 are believed to be attempts to register voters illegally.

 

 

 

MN

 

2004

 

During a traffic stop, police found more than 300 voter registration cards in the trunk of a former ACORN employee, who had violated a legal requirements that registration cards be submitted to the Secretary of State within 10 days of being filled out and signed.

 

 

 

NC

 

2008

 

County elections officials have sent suspicious voter registration applications to the state Board of Elections. Many of the applications had similar or identical names, but with different addresses or dates of birth.

 

 

 

 

2004

 

North Carolina officials investigated ACORN for submitting fake voter registration cards.

 

 

 

NM

 

2008

 

Prosecutors are investigating more than 1,100 ACORN-submitted voter registration cards after a county clerk found them to be fraudulent. Many of the cards included duplicate names and slightly altered personal information.

 

 

 

 

2005

 

Four ACORN employees submitted as many as 3,000 potentially fraudulent signatures on the group’s Albuquerque ballot initiative. A local sheriff added: “It’s safe to say the forgery was widespread.”

 

 

 

 

 

2004

 

An ACORN employee registered a 13-year-old boy to vote. Citing this and other examples, New Mexico State Representative Joe Thompson stated that ACORN was “manufacturing voters” throughout New Mexico.

 

 

 

NV

 

2009

 

Nevada authorities indicted ACORN on 26 counts of voter registration fraud and 13 counts of illegally compensating canvassers. ACORN provided a bonus compensation program called “Blackjack” or “21+” for any canvasser who registered more than 20 voters per shift, which is illegal under Nevada law.

 

 

 

 

 

2008

 

Nevada state authorities raided ACORN's Las Vegas headquarters as part of a task force investigation of election fraud. Fraudulent registrations included players from the Dallas Cowboys.

 

 

 

OH

 

2008

 

ACORN activists gave Ohio residents cash and cigarettes in exchange for filling out voter registration card, according to the New York Post. Some voters claim to have registered dozens of times, and one man says he signed up on 72 cards.

 

 

 

 

2007

 

A man in Reynoldsburg was indicted on two felony counts of illegal voting and false registration, after being registered by ACORN to vote in two separate counties.

 

 

 

 

2004

 

A grand jury indicted a Columbus ACORN worker for submitting a false signature and false voter registration form. In Franklin County, two ACORN workers submitted what the director of the board of election supervisors called “blatantly false” forms. In Cuyahoga County, ACORN and its affiliate Project Vote submitted registration cards that had the highest rate of errors for any voter registration group.

 

 

 

PA

 

2009

 

Seven ACORN workers in the Pittsburgh area were indicted for submitting falsified voter registration forms. Six of the seven were also indicted for registering voters under an illegal quota system.

 

 

 

 

2008

 

State election officials have thrown out 57,435 voter registrations, the majority of which were submitted by ACORN. The registrations were thrown out after officials found "clearly fraudulent" signatures, vacant lots listed as addresses, and other signs of fraud.

 

 

 

 

2008

 

An ACORN employee in West Reading, PA, was sentenced to up to 23 months in prison for identity theft and tampering with records. A second ACORN worker pleaded not guilty to the same charges and is free on $10,000 bail.

 

 

 

 

2004

 

Reading’s Director of Elections received calls from numerous individuals complaining that ACORN employees deliberately put inaccurate information on their voter registration forms. The Berks County director of elections said voter fraud was “absolutely out of hand,” and added: “Not only do we have unintentional duplication of voter registration but we have blatant duplicate voter registrations.” The Berks County deputy director of elections added that ACORN was under investigation by the Department of Justice.

 

 

 

TX

 

2008

 

In Harris County, nearly 10,000 ACORN-submitted registrations were found to be invalid, including many with clearly fraudulent addresses or other personal information.

 

 

 

 

2008

 

ACORN turned in the voter registration form of David Young, who told reporters “The signature is not my signature. It’s not even close.” His social security number and date of birth were also incorrect.

 

 

 

VA

 

2005

 

In 2005, the Virginia State Board of Elections admonished Project Vote and ACORN for turning in a significant number of faulty voter registrations. An audit revealed that 83% of sampled registrations that were rejected for carrying false or questionable information were submitted by Project Vote. Many of these registrations carried social security numbers that exist for other people, listed non-existent or commercial addresses, or were for convicted felons in violation of state and federal election law.

 

In a letter to ACORN, the State Board of Elections reported that 56% of the voter registration applications ACORN turned in were ineligible. Further, a full 35% were not submitted in a timely manner, as required by law. The State Board of Elections also commented on what appeared to be evidence of intentional voter fraud. "Additionally,” they wrote, “information appears to have been altered on some applications where information given by the applicant in one color ink has been scratched through and re-entered in another color ink. Any alteration of a voter registration application is a Class 5 Felony in accordance with § 24.2-1009 of the Code of Virginia."

 

 

 

WA

 

2007

 

Three ACORN employees pleaded guilty, and four more were charged, in the worst case of voter registration fraud in Washington state history. More than 2,000 fraudulent voter registration cards were submitted by the group during a voter registration drive.

 

 

 

WI

 

2008

 

At least 33,000 ACORN-submitted registrations in Milwaukee have been called into question after it was found that the organizations had been using felons as registration workers, in violation of state election rules. Two people involved in the ongoing Wisconsin voter fraud investigation have been charged with felonies.

 

 

 

 

2004

 

The district attorney’s office investigated seven voter registration applications Project Vote employees filed in the names of people who said the group never contacted them. Former Project Vote employee Robert Marquise Blakely told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he had not met with any of the people whose voter registration applications he signed, “an apparent violation of state law,” according to the paper.

 

 

http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

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RP, I'll ask you the same questions I asked Thornton Melon:

 

- Have you personally ever voted fraudulently?

 

- Have you ever showed up to your polling place to vote, only to be told that someone had already voted under your name and address?

 

- Have you ever heard of this happening to anyone you know? (be honest)

I have not personally been shot to death either. So, using your 'logic', murder is non-existant. :overhead:

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You put up a link about a person from AZ.......WTF. :dunno:

 

You asked for a link on one person disenfranchised by these laws. I provided one.

 

Now STFU.

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I guess it never happens then cause it hasn't happened to me either.

 

:doh:

 

Never happens? Probably not. But when you can't find a single person who can say that they were ever the victim of voter fraud, or knew someone who was ever a victim, that should tell you something.

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I have not personally been shot to death either. So, using your 'logic', murder is non-existant. :overhead:

 

Do you know someone who has been murdered? Do you have any friends who know someone who was murdered? I do. I bet you do too. Yet you can't say the same for voter fraud. :doh:

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Not one of those cases would have changed because of voter id laws, Tilter Pilot--- :lol:

 

ETA: Frank M beat me to the punch on that one...

 

RP's going to break Google :(

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ACORN!!!!

 

:cry:

Called it.

 

I would say I'm a genius, but RP reads like a See Spot Run book, so it's not that difficult to call how he's going to respond.

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How Does Requiring a Voter ID Prevent Election Fraud?

 

 

 

Last night’s nail-biter in Iowa marked the beginning of election year 2012. And with Americans heading to the polls — next in New Hampshire, then South Carolina and beyond — they will hope to rely on the integrity of the election system to ensure that every legitimate vote counts and that fraud is not the deciding factor on the local, state or national level.

 

Unfortunately, despite all the technological advances in our modern democracy, voter fraud still occurs, and yet there is still resistance to one very simple tool that could help eradicate it — voter ID. Some, like The New York Times, say that voting fraud is a myth, that “there is almost no voting fraud in America.” But as Heritage senior legal fellow Hans von Spakovsky explains, voter fraud is all too common in America today:

 

 

The fraud denialists also must have missed the recent news coverage of the double voters in North Carolina and the fraudster in Tunica County, Miss. — a member of the NAACP’s local executive committee — who was sentenced in April to five years in prison for voting in the names of ten voters, including four who were deceased.

 

And the story of the former deputy chief of staff for Washington mayor Vincent Gray, who was forced to resign after news broke that she had voted illegally in the District of Columbia even though she was a Maryland resident. Perhaps they would like a copy of an order from a federal immigration court in Florida on a Cuban immigrant who came to the U.S. in April 2004 and promptly registered and voted in the November election.

 

Even former liberal Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens agrees. Stevens wrote in a 6-3 majority opinion upholding an Indiana voter ID law: “That flagrant examples of [voter] fraud…have been documented throughout this Nation’s history by respected historians and journalists…demonstrate that not only is the risk of voter fraud real but that it could affect the outcome of a close election.”

 

Given the incidence of voter fraud — and the simplicity of requiring voters to present a valid ID in order to be able to vote — it’s not surprising that 70 percent of likely U.S. voters believe that voters “should be required to show photo identification such as a driver’s license before being allowed to cast their ballot,” according to a recent Rasmussen poll. Meanwhile, only 22 percent of Americans are opposed to the requirement.

 

Despite the fraud — and the support for voter ID measures — Attorney General Eric Holder intends to examine new state voter ID laws for potential racial bias. Von Spakovsky writes that the allegations of bias are baseless, and there is evidence to prove it. In Georgia, which enacted a photo ID law before the 2008 election, the number of African American voters increased after the new law went into effect. “According to Census Bureau surveys,” von Spakovsky writes, “65 percent of the black voting-age population voted in the 2008 election, compared with only 54.4 percent in 2004, an increase of more than ten percentage points.”

 

On top of all that, the number of people who don’t already have a photo ID is incredibly small. An American University survey in Maryland, Indiana, and Mississippi found that less than one-half of 1 percent of registered voters lacked a government-issued ID, and a 2006 survey of more than 36,000 voters found that only “23 people in the entire sample–less than one-tenth of one percent of reported voters” were unable to vote because of an ID requirement. What about those who don’t have photo IDs? Von Spakovsky notes that “every state that has passed a voter ID law has also ensured that the very small percentage of individuals who do not have a photo ID can easily obtain one for free if they cannot afford one.”

 

The American people value the integrity of their elections, and they overwhelmingly support voter ID requirements to make sure that Election Day is as fair, honest, and legal as possible. Still, though, there is resistance and predictions of massive disenfranchisement if voter ID laws continue to be implemented. The evidence, however, proves otherwise.

 

http://www.askheritage.org/how-does-requiring-a-voter-id-prevent-election-fraud/

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BudBro is fockin nuts. It's like arguing with someone from another planet. You're never gonna get on the same wavelength so why bother?

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RP's going to break Google :(

 

You tardos could be countering all my examples of documented fraud with examples of people who were denied the right to vote because they didn't have a photo ID.

 

Unfortunately, you clowns have failed to give any examples of your claims. :overhead: :overhead: :overhead:

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Called it.

 

I would say I'm a genius, but RP reads like a See Spot Run book, so it's not that difficult to call how he's going to respond.

Yeah, who woulda thought that with all the examples of voter fraud I have documented ACORN would come up. :first:

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Yeah, who woulda thought that with all the examples of voter fraud I have documented ACORN would come up. :first:

 

Voter Fraud <> Registration Fraud, Tilty!

(Is that trophy you're holding for participation, what was your Special Olympics event?)

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You tardos could be countering all my examples of documented fraud with examples of people who were denied the right to vote because they didn't have a photo ID.

 

Unfortunately, you clowns have failed to give any examples of your claims. :overhead: :overhead: :overhead:

 

Real Americans are concerned with possibility that any voter will be disenfranchised. The thought of anyone who is eligible missing out on a fundamental right bothers those of us that consider ourselves real, true patriots.

 

The Pennsylvania judge is one such real American who realizes that fraud perpetrated by groups like ACORN, which are the only examples you seem to be able to find, are not the same as the fraud that these laws are supposed to combat. As such, he realizes that the right to vote, a cherished right for all Americans, could be denied to some. And, as a true American, he can't allow that to happen.

 

He is a hero. You could learn from his example.

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Voter Fraud <> Registration Fraud, Tilty!

(Is that trophy you're holding for participation, what was your Special Olympics event?)

 

He might get it the twentieth time it's said.

 

But probably not. None of the conservatards here seem to get this one pesky little fact.

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He might get it the twentieth time it's said.

 

But probably not. None of the conservatards here seem to get this one pesky little fact.

 

Hannity didn't tell him about the distinction, so he won't recognize it.

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Still no examples of people being denied their right to vote for not having an ID? :bench:

 

I already brought one.

 

:dunno:

 

Still no examples of voter fraud that requiring a photo ID would have uncovered? :bench:

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Again, somebody explain to me why Health Care is mandatory and a trampling of our rights is OK but a Photo ID for voting is not yet no one is being denied the right to vote including women who should never have been allowed to vote.

 

I'll sit back and have a staring contest with this drone outside my window while you all respond.

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I already brought one.

 

 

 

Still no examples of voter fraud that requiring a photo ID would have uncovered? :bench:

I've documented thousands of examples, Sport.

 

You brought 1 person. Why are you :cry: :cry: :cry: about ID laws disenfranshising voters when that is "non-existant". One voter out of hundreds of millions????? :lol:

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Still no examples of people being denied their right to vote for not having an ID? :bench:

 

 

I already brought one.

 

:dunno:

 

Still no examples of voter fraud that requiring a photo ID would have uncovered? :bench:

 

So to answer Tilty Pilot's question I started wondering about when voter ID laws went into effect and to see which elections might have been effected by them.

 

Photo ID laws. At least 34 states introduced legislation that would require voters to show photo identification in order to vote, and an additional four states introduced legislation requesting that voters show photo identification to register or to vote. Photo ID bills were signed into law in eight states — Alabama, Kansas, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania — and passed by referendum in Mississippi. In addition, Minnesota's legislature has passed a bill proposing a constitutional amendment to the Minnesota Constitution that would require government issued photo ID to vote in person. The amendment will be voted on by referendum at the 2012 general election. New photo ID laws will be in effect in Kansas, Rhode Island, and Tennessee this November. Courts blocked laws in Pennsylvania, Texas, and Wisconsin, and South Carolina's law is currently under review.By contrast, before the 2011 legislative session, only two states had ever imposed strict photo ID requirements. The number of states with laws requiring voters to show government-issued photo identification quadrupled in 2011. To put this into context, 11 percent of American citizens do not possess a government-issued photo ID; that is over 21 million citizens.

 

http://www.brennance...ng_law_changes/

I've documented thousands of examples, Sport.

 

You brought 1 person. Why are you about ID laws disenfranshising voters when that is "non-existant". One voter out of hundreds of millions?????

Apparently Tilty wants us to link to future events, since the majority of voters(not hundreds of millions, LIAR) have never faced voter ID laws before.

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