LM action worth quitting league?

[TXYankee 0]

So one of my leagues is a somewhat friendly workplace league (only $10 buy-in) that I have been in for five years. It is an ESPN-standard scoring league with 10 teams (4 in the playoffs) and the LM is in his 2nd year in the position.

 

Here is the situation that I lost it over today: It is a 10 team league, broken into 2 divisions to set who plays each other more. The division I am in had 3 of the top 4 team records in the league, with mine as the #3 team in division 1 with a 6-6-1 record. While the LM thought that he had set the league up so that the top two teams in each division would make the playoffs, in actuality it was set so that the top 4 records made it in regardless of division. So when I got up this morning I was the #4 seed in the playoffs over the 2nd place team in division two who had a 6-7 record. LM decides that this was not what he had intended, so he manually edited the playoff bracket to swap the 2nd place team in division 2 into my slot. The other playoff teams, not wanting me in the playoffs as I won it the past two years, backed his move. LM was out of the playoffs and not affected by this either way.

 

Naturally I am beyond pissed off. This was by no means my strongest team in the leagues I play, but I legitimately had the 4th highest record in the league. Regardless, as someone who is a LM in other leagues, you can't change the scoring or playoff system rules after the playoff pairings have been set. Period. If this is not what the LM intended, fix it for next year! I hate divisions in FFL, this being one of the reasons.

 

Should I dump all my players to wreak havoc on the playoffs and walk away from the league in protest? LM will not refund my money.

[Djgb13 2,338]

So one of my leagues is a somewhat friendly workplace league (only $10 buy-in) that I have been in for five years. It is an ESPN-standard scoring league with 10 teams (4 in the playoffs) and the LM is in his 2nd year in the position.

 

Here is the situation that I lost it over today: It is a 10 team league, broken into 2 divisions to set who plays each other more. The division I am in had 3 of the top 4 team records in the league, with mine as the #3 team in division 1 with a 6-6-1 record. While the LM thought that he had set the league up so that the top two teams in each division would make the playoffs, in actuality it was set so that the top 4 records made it in regardless of division. So when I got up this morning I was the #4 seed in the playoffs over the 2nd place team in division two who had a 6-7 record. LM decides that this was not what he had intended, so he manually edited the playoff bracket to swap the 2nd place team in division 2 into my slot. The other playoff teams, not wanting me in the playoffs as I won it the past two years, backed his move. LM was out of the playoffs and not affected by this either way.

 

Naturally I am beyond pissed off. This was by no means my strongest team in the leagues I play, but I legitimately had the 4th highest record in the league. Regardless, as someone who is a LM in other leagues, you can't change the scoring or playoff system rules after the playoff pairings have been set. Period. If this is not what the LM intended, fix it for next year! I hate divisions in FFL, this being one of the reasons.

 

Should I dump all my players to wreak havoc on the playoffs and walk away from the league in protest? LM will not refund my money.

 

How were the playoffs done the past two years your won? If they were the same format then yea I would protest and try to get it switched back before the games start. If not and it was only like that this year then its a tough loss to you but understandable that the LM would do that

[zac3434 5]

So one of my leagues is a somewhat friendly workplace league (only $10 buy-in) that I have been in for five years. It is an ESPN-standard scoring league with 10 teams (4 in the playoffs) and the LM is in his 2nd year in the position.

 

Here is the situation that I lost it over today: It is a 10 team league, broken into 2 divisions to set who plays each other more. The division I am in had 3 of the top 4 team records in the league, with mine as the #3 team in division 1 with a 6-6-1 record. While the LM thought that he had set the league up so that the top two teams in each division would make the playoffs, in actuality it was set so that the top 4 records made it in regardless of division. So when I got up this morning I was the #4 seed in the playoffs over the 2nd place team in division two who had a 6-7 record. LM decides that this was not what he had intended, so he manually edited the playoff bracket to swap the 2nd place team in division 2 into my slot. The other playoff teams, not wanting me in the playoffs as I won it the past two years, backed his move. LM was out of the playoffs and not affected by this either way.

 

Naturally I am beyond pissed off. This was by no means my strongest team in the leagues I play, but I legitimately had the 4th highest record in the league. Regardless, as someone who is a LM in other leagues, you can't change the scoring or playoff system rules after the playoff pairings have been set. Period. If this is not what the LM intended, fix it for next year! I hate divisions in FFL, this being one of the reasons.

 

Should I dump all my players to wreak havoc on the playoffs and walk away from the league in protest? LM will not refund my money.

 

Dump all your players, Oh my how will they ever manage to right that.

[dehaven123 31]

So one of my leagues is a somewhat friendly workplace league (only $10 buy-in) that I have been in for five years. It is an ESPN-standard scoring league with 10 teams (4 in the playoffs) and the LM is in his 2nd year in the position.

 

Here is the situation that I lost it over today: It is a 10 team league, broken into 2 divisions to set who plays each other more. The division I am in had 3 of the top 4 team records in the league, with mine as the #3 team in division 1 with a 6-6-1 record. While the LM thought that he had set the league up so that the top two teams in each division would make the playoffs, in actuality it was set so that the top 4 records made it in regardless of division. So when I got up this morning I was the #4 seed in the playoffs over the 2nd place team in division two who had a 6-7 record. LM decides that this was not what he had intended, so he manually edited the playoff bracket to swap the 2nd place team in division 2 into my slot. The other playoff teams, not wanting me in the playoffs as I won it the past two years, backed his move. LM was out of the playoffs and not affected by this either way.

 

Naturally I am beyond pissed off. This was by no means my strongest team in the leagues I play, but I legitimately had the 4th highest record in the league. Regardless, as someone who is a LM in other leagues, you can't change the scoring or playoff system rules after the playoff pairings have been set. Period. If this is not what the LM intended, fix it for next year! I hate divisions in FFL, this being one of the reasons.

 

Should I dump all my players to wreak havoc on the playoffs and walk away from the league in protest? LM will not refund my money.

 

cut ur losses.

tuff beat there.

jus walk away.

 

cause im curious, did u start a similar thread bout this @ that other FF site? jus curious if ur the same guy or a coincidence.

[jkil22 1]

How was the playoff format last year? It could be a legit mistake. You guys didn't talk about the race for who would make the playoffs these last couple of weeks at work?

[Kingstowne Dealers 14]

Rule #1 of being a commish: Do no harm. You can't change the rules in the during the season. Can't do it. The LM is an idiot. I would dump all my players and laugh in their faces.

[Chronic Husker 85]

How were the playoffs done the past two years your won? If they were the same format then yea I would protest and try to get it switched back before the games start. If not and it was only like that this year then its a tough loss to you but understandable that the LM would do that

This is correct.

[TXYankee 0]

There were no intentional changes to the format of the playoffs this year. He apparently thought it was 2 per division all along, but this was the first year that the divisions ended up unbalanced in strength enough for this to be in play. Honestly in prior years I was either a top 2 seed or out of the playoffs, so it never was something that I looked into. Coincidence made it a non-issue until this year, as it is my understanding that the playoff rules have been untouched since the league was created.

 

It was an honest mistake on his part, but do you fix this one at the end of the regular season? For a work league, there is surprisingly little trash talk or discussion, so the playoff race is not discussed a lot.

 

I subscribe to the "do no harm" school of being a LM, and there were some smaller issues with trade vetoes not involving me earlier in the year.

 

This is the only site I post on, so its not me if you have seen this story elsewhere.

 

And I understand that dumping my roster is a hollow protest as it can be edited back, but the clusterf'ck of an arguement between the LM and the playoff teams jocking for position all day tomorrow will at least make me feel better.

[p00h 85]

Punch...wife...kids...dog...rinse...repeat...

 

 

HTH

[Boilermaker04 11]

It's $10. You want to throw a temper tantrum like a child and pout with a bunch of people you work with over $10? Go for it

[TXYankee 0]

We are adults and have no problem separating our fantasy football hijinks from our professional relationships and personal friendships. Its a game so any frustrations with a league are not worth real world anger. I wouldn't call a reversible action that ends with us all laughing over a beer a tantrum. We argue, we laugh, and the league learns something the following year. Its happened before and will happen again. Next year this league will have posted bylaws as as result.

 

I thought it was an interesting case to debate on this forum. My real money leagues have clearly defined bylaws to avoid situations like this.

[idiotec 31]

It's $10. You want to throw a temper tantrum like a child and pout with a bunch of people you work with over $10? Go for it

 

This x 1,000

 

Jesus

[Matthew's Berry's 0]

I'm a little confused why you have divisions when according to you top four teams make it regardless?

 

Having divisions makes sense two from each go and you are out of luck. Feel lucky he found the Espn ranking incorrect NOW versus after games start.

 

I too had to manually adjust teams in the bracket based on division teams going like your commish did, could be a minor flaw in Espn ability to setup type of bracket.

 

LET IT GO ...

[TXYankee 0]

The only reason divisions were added to the league was for the purpose of making schedule randomization easier. If the same 10 teams are carried forward from year to year, ESPN defaults to the same schedule each year. Changing the division makeups each year was an easy way to ensure unique scheduling each year. Seeding was not discussed.

 

What's done is done. My opinion is unless it is a rule documented, change it for the next season. Its always interesting to hear other perspectives.

[morningwood44 0]

I'm a little confused why you have divisions when according to you top four teams make it regardless?

 

Having divisions makes sense two from each go and you are out of luck. Feel lucky he found the Espn ranking incorrect NOW versus after games start.

 

I too had to manually adjust teams in the bracket based on division teams going like your commish did, could be a minor flaw in Espn ability to setup type of bracket.

 

LET IT GO ...

 

Perfect response, exactly what I was thinking on all accounts.

[steelers2101 7]

It's $10. You want to throw a temper tantrum like a child and pout with a bunch of people you work with over $10? Go for it

 

Exactly. Be the bigger man. Plus, you have to consider the possibility that you could be wrong here. Throwing a tantrum over a $10 league with people you work with is bad enough. Doing so and being wrong about what you threw a tantrum over is even worse. Also, if everyone has been under the impression that the top 2 seeds from each division make it, that's how it should be and the LM is right for making the change.

[TheUsualSuspect 207]

Quit the league, and take your ball with you...

as for the monetary loses, put in about 20 minutes of overtime at work, and that should just about cover it.

[NewbieJr 540]

Go to where he lives and set yourself on fire in protest.

[FlaHawker 24]

Go to where he lives and set yourself on fire in protest.

Why don't you take your own advice?

[NewbieJr 540]

Why don't you take your own advice?

Burn! Good one

[Dr Hook 6]

How were the playoffs done the past two years your won? If they were the same format then yea I would protest and try to get it switched back before the games start. If not and it was only like that this year then its a tough loss to you but understandable that the LM would do that

 

 

Don't go crazy listening to people who fly off the handle. The post above is the way to the right answer.

[DexterMorgan 5]

Rule #1 of being a commish: Do no harm. You can't change the rules in the during the season. Can't do it. The LM is an idiot. I would dump all my players and laugh in their faces.

 

Depends, were the rules changed or were the site settings changed?

 

Disclaimer: I skimmed the OP so my question might actually have been answered in it.

[DexterMorgan 5]

So one of my leagues is a somewhat friendly workplace league (only $10 buy-in) that I have been in for five years. It is an ESPN-standard scoring league with 10 teams (4 in the playoffs) and the LM is in his 2nd year in the position.

 

Here is the situation that I lost it over today: It is a 10 team league, broken into 2 divisions to set who plays each other more. The division I am in had 3 of the top 4 team records in the league, with mine as the #3 team in division 1 with a 6-6-1 record. While the LM thought that he had set the league up so that the top two teams in each division would make the playoffs, in actuality it was set so that the top 4 records made it in regardless of division. So when I got up this morning I was the #4 seed in the playoffs over the 2nd place team in division two who had a 6-7 record. LM decides that this was not what he had intended, so he manually edited the playoff bracket to swap the 2nd place team in division 2 into my slot. The other playoff teams, not wanting me in the playoffs as I won it the past two years, backed his move. LM was out of the playoffs and not affected by this either way.

 

Naturally I am beyond pissed off. This was by no means my strongest team in the leagues I play, but I legitimately had the 4th highest record in the league. Regardless, as someone who is a LM in other leagues, you can't change the scoring or playoff system rules after the playoff pairings have been set. Period. If this is not what the LM intended, fix it for next year! I hate divisions in FFL, this being one of the reasons.

 

Should I dump all my players to wreak havoc on the playoffs and walk away from the league in protest? LM will not refund my money.

 

Did he verbalize this playoff setting to the league prior to this week?

[Eagles Green 34]

You can cut the tension at your Taco Bell with a knife(plastic)

 

Work drama

[jkil22 1]

We are adults and have no problem separating our fantasy football hijinks from our professional relationships and personal friendships. Its a game so any frustrations with a league are not worth real world anger.

 

Spoken like man who has no passion for the game. Your spiritual, financial, and self worth increases if you make the playoffs and increases magnificently if you win the championship. Let's be clear about one thing, this 'fantasy' game is part of the raw reality you live everyday and I'll be damned if I let some smart nose Yankee punk tell me my fantasy football is just a fantasy in my head, this ain't the ###### matrix Tex! Those 40+ hours of film time reviewing the games I put in each week is sure as hell real and so is my 2003 and 2007 Fantasy Football Champion ring. I've got 4, count em, 4 Plaques for making it to the playoffs in years I din't win plus a runner up bracelet (poker style) thanks to Priest Holmes in 2003.

 

Next time you sign into your league I suggest you strap on some balls and ask yourself why are you there? I need go take a cold shower, your post worked me up.

[Fantasy Noob 10]

Seems silly to jeopardize your source of income over a $10 league. Like it or not a lot of life is a popularity contest and how others percieve you goes a long ways with your superiors. Even if their are no superiors in your league you can bet during water cooler conversation this stuff comes up, talking sports is pretty much the safest way for males to waste time in the work place, its like talking about the weather relatively harmless and better than gossiping about coworkers.

 

No matter what you do at work its a proffesional environment and you need to take this into account. You never know when an old boss, coworker, customer etc will give you a break to a better job.

 

It occurs to me that I usually post on work hours and am doing so currently, making me a big fat hypocrite.

[TXYankee 0]

Thanks all for the comments, it was an interesting cross section of feedback. This was the case of an assumed, but never documented playoff seeding strategy. The fundamental question is: Is a rule a rule in FFL if it was never written down and never checked/enforced in the past?

 

For those that say deal with it, at the end of the day I agree. That the decision was made after the other playoff teams lobbied the LM is what made me want to meddle with my roster (correctable by the LM). The beers the LM is buying me as an apology for his mistake will more than make up for it.

 

For those who say that actions in a fantasy football league will affect a workplace environment, all I can say is I am glad I work in the office I work in then. This league has existed for 5 years with various issues over the years, and no one has ever had a lasting argument over it. The ability for people to argue and fight with one another in a fantasy football setting has been a team-building activity, not a divisive thing.

[Skinny_Bastard 154]

League's been around for 5 years.

How was it done the prior 4 years? Sounds fishy to me. I would throw a chair into his office if i were you.

[DankNuggs 305]

was everyone under the assumption to begin the season that top 2 in each division made the playoffs? If so the LM did the right thing...

 

You are trying to profit off a technicality, I think i'd tell you to STFU and go back to your cubicle...