Everyone says WR's are deep ? I see that RB's are deep

[snatchit 108]

to me it seems the same as always... look at the rankings

there is your usual 10 really good rb's and then a bunch of question marks

there is about 5 or 6 really good wr's then a bunch of question marks

the only unusually deep position is qb

[Fantasy Noob 10]

I was going to disagree but I find your avatar oddly intimidating. What is on your forehead?

 

I will compromise:

 

Yes QB's are deep.

No RB's are not deep. When you start looking at the RB position you start to find tiny little flaws that could be signs of a big problem and doom your fantasy season. After the first 4-5 RB's there are some severe questions.

You do raise a good point about the WR issue though. Everyone is saying it is deep but it is not really deep for sure things, it is deep on potential. There are a couple of dozen WR's with the potential to have outstanding seasons, pick the right couple and you will have a monster squad.

 

I think most of us are just playing the odds it is usually easier to find decent/good/great WR's later in drafts, waiver wire and through trade. You might only get one shot at the darling waiver wire RB and not have priority/budget etc so you usually have to draft your RB corps. And the best usually are found in the top half of the draft in competitive leagues.

[snatchit 108]

• I would contest that their are just as many rb's that could break out as good starters.. I agree about the front half of the 1st round, but after that you get into rrbc, on and off good seasons, injuries. Just sayind we should tap the breaks on it being a good idea going rb, rb.

I tried to draw a pic of my dog on my forehead, I did buy a new black shirt for this pic my mom took

[snatchit 108]

ooops there not their.. I am working on my words

[jgcrawfish 232]

This isn't worth addressing. If you can't see that there is typically 1 RB per team vs 2/3 WR's on the field at any given time there's no use 'splanin'.

[snatchit 108]

its the same as last year...

[heavy-set 39]

to me, none of the positions are deep. This years rankings are last years stats, yet where did the likes of Russell Wilson, Colin Kapernick, Payton Manning, alf morris, cj spiller, ridley, doug martin, ..... add any player that out performed their draft position last year, come from? all of a sudden, these players are a lock to just keep on putting up numbers?

Last year, if we had this thread, we would have been touting the likes of Matthew Stafford, darren mcfadden, ryan mathews, larry fitzgerald, gronk, demarco murray, fred jackson and thinking everything is deep. (or any other player that didnt live up to their draft position)

 

where are they getting drafted this year?

[DrG 103]

Hx, nice post...

[JtmoneyJag 25]

If you can't see the difference between RB vs WR value and depth, then you probably aren't going to do well in fantasy football. Simple numbers tells you the difference.

 

Heavy set, QB has more depth this year then last and more it has had in a while.

[Herbivore 1,134]

I think the big divider here is if you play 2rb only, or if you can play RB at flex as well. If you are only playing 2, you should have a lot more wiggle room in the draft. There may only be 10 good rb's, but it looks to me like there are over 24 pretty good options/potential breakouts.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,264]

By rbs being deep there are probably a bunch of 10 ppg rbs this year. Those guys don't win you championships, where you can get away with a 10 ppg wr on a strong team.

 

Speaking non ppr of course

[snatchit 108]

I should have said this is based off a 12 team ppr standard. Your right starting just 2 RB's in ppr opens doors to a bunch more good RB's... Sproles and Bush move into the top 10 or so, throw in Vareen, Bernard, Wilson, heck even Woodhead could be a low # 2. There has been a large change of the guard this year at starting RB's... On many teams we just don't know who yet, STL, CIN, PIT, GB, NYJ, DEN, to name a few. Believe me you could really grab.... if you are a late pick DEZ and AJ Green, then grab like 4 RB's in a row. a QB in the 7th, then scoop up several high upside WR's in later rounds to fill your 3rd WR spot. TE is deep so you can wait for them. Drafting 2 stud WR's to start, I would actually draft 6 RB's, 5 WR's, 1 QB, 1 TE and of course 1 DEF and 1 K your last 2 picks

So that's my point against what all the experts suggest on drafting this year. I understand that the flow of the draft may dictate otherwise

[Upper Class Trash 67]

to me, none of the positions are deep. This years rankings are last years stats, yet where did the likes of Russell Wilson, Colin Kapernick, Payton Manning, alf morris, cj spiller, ridley, doug martin, ..... add any player that out performed their draft position last year, come from? all of a sudden, these players are a lock to just keep on putting up numbers?

 

Last year, if we had this thread, we would have been touting the likes of Matthew Stafford, darren mcfadden, ryan mathews, larry fitzgerald, gronk, demarco murray, fred jackson and thinking everything is deep. (or any other player that didnt live up to their draft position)

 

where are they getting drafted this year?

 

People were NOT touting Darren McFadden last season. 90% of the threads here were saying to avoid him like the plague. As for Stafford, people were saying he was seriously overhyped and nobody was rolling out Fitz as a top 5 WR. Ryan Mathews was being blackballed on this message board and Fred Jackson was an afterthought. I'd say you need better examples, or at least to give this board MUCH more credit. The only two you mentioned who were being overhyped here were Gronk and Murray. Maybe YOU touted all of them, but I read the threads last season and most were against all these guys. We have some great posters on this site, not a bunch of newbies.

 

Once you get by the Round One RB's, there are still several more I want as my RB2 before I'm moving on to a WR. Once you hit round 3, you are playing with fire if you don't have at least one very good RB on your roster.

 

As for someone breaking out... Of course they will. It happens every year. Someone is going to have a great year that none of us expected. You are going to pass on the limited number of QUALITY RB's in hopes of finding a needle in the the haystack? Good luck with that. Like many others, I make my own rankings. I have WR being the deepest position, by far. It isn't even close. Sometimes I think people post just to try and throw off the newbies. lol Saying the RB position is "deep" is actually funny.

[Upper Class Trash 67]

I should have said this is based off a 12 team ppr standard. Your right starting just 2 RB's in ppr opens doors to a bunch more good RB's... Sproles and Bush move into the top 10 or so, throw in Vareen, Bernard, Wilson, heck even Woodhead could be a low # 2. There has been a large change of the guard this year at starting RB's... On many teams we just don't know who yet, STL, CIN, PIT, GB, NYJ, DEN, to name a few. Believe me you could really grab.... if you are a late pick DEZ and AJ Green, then grab like 4 RB's in a row. a QB in the 7th, then scoop up several high upside WR's in later rounds to fill your 3rd WR spot. TE is deep so you can wait for them. Drafting 2 stud WR's to start, I would actually draft 6 RB's, 5 WR's, 1 QB, 1 TE and of course 1 DEF and 1 K your last 2 picks

So that's my point against what all the experts suggest on drafting this year. I understand that the flow of the draft may dictate otherwise

If you draft WR/WR, you really believe you will take 4 RB's in a row? I'd bet you won't. The value wouldn't be there at the time of your pick. You are going to pass on a stud WR in round 3/4 for what amounts to a part time RB? Absurd. Using your strategy, you don't, and won't, have a TE or a QB until rounds 7/8, at which time you will STILL only have 2 WR's. It may sound good when you type it, but you will lose. You will end up with 2 quality WR's, two to four part-time RB's, the 9th(ish) best QB and an average (at best) TE. You better pray you know the football gods quite well.

 

Just as an example: You mentioned Dez and AJ Green. Ok, you take Dez in Round One and AJ Green in round two. You really think AJ is going to be "that much" better than Brandon Marshall? I got Marshall at the 3.04 last night because the WR's are falling further down the board as people realize the RB's are going early. I'll take my selection of McCoy/Forte/Marshall over your combo of Bryant/Green/Part time RB. My next selection will be a WR, of which there are still a plethora left on the board. Your next RB is going to be Monte Ball or LaVeon Bell. lol Good luck with that team.

[snatchit 108]

WR deepest by far ? Are you kidding me ???? What makes this deeper than it was last year.... its the same dudes with a few extra thrown in, just like the RB's.

[PackYourNut 47]

QB & WR are very deep... RB, not even close...

[snatchit 108]

No way Marshall is going to be in the 3rd round in a ppr, there is a huge drop off in WR after the top 5 just like RB's. We know who all the # 1 WR's are on every team, not the case in the RB position. I am only making a point that you could scoop up, upside RB's on teams that jobs haven't been won yet. All you have to do is get 2 to be decent out of picking 6, not to mention all the injuries RB's get, you cant have enough RB's. If I have 2 super stud WR's I can wait and collect several WR's to get a good 3rd. Just take your blinders off man. You can get a very good QB in the 7th, and a very good TE in the 9th or 10th.

[rallo 136]

I think the big divider here is if you play 2rb only, or if you can play RB at flex as well. If you are only playing 2, you should have a lot more wiggle room in the draft. There may only be 10 good rb's, but it looks to me like there are over 24 pretty good options/potential breakouts.

 

 

This... if you are in a deeper league OR a league where it is possible to start 3 RBs you better get one in the 1st or 2nd round... otherwise you will be relying on lamar smith, bell, or mcfadden to bring home a championship.

 

The more i mock draft the clearer it has become you have to get an RB early... i had been toying around with the idea of grabbing 2 stud WRs at the back-end of a 14 teamer, the problem is sometimes you strike gold and sometimes you wiff... Sure every once in a while i'd land a demarco murray or leveon bell and back it up with DMC...

 

i'd think to myself "you know... this could really work... i would be STACKED!"

 

I will tell you that an equal amount of times that all of these players would be gone, and i'd be eyeing david wilson or montee ball as my RB1... IMO it's just not worth it

 

the way i see it...

there are only 10 guys that i like as RB1 and only ridley is available in the 2nd...

there may be only 6 guys that i like as WR1... but you can get 2 of them in the late 2nd/early 3rd...

[heavy-set 39]

People were NOT touting Darren McFadden last season. 90% of the threads here were saying to avoid him like the plague. As for Stafford, people were saying he was seriously overhyped and nobody was rolling out Fitz as a top 5 WR. Ryan Mathews was being blackballed on this message board and Fred Jackson was an afterthought. I'd say you need better examples, or at least to give this board MUCH more credit. The only two you mentioned who were being overhyped here were Gronk and Murray. Maybe YOU touted all of them, but I read the threads last season and most were against all these guys. We have some great posters on this site, not a bunch of newbies.

 

Once you get by the Round One RB's, there are still several more I want as my RB2 before I'm moving on to a WR. Once you hit round 3, you are playing with fire if you don't have at least one very good RB on your roster.

 

As for someone breaking out... Of course they will. It happens every year. Someone is going to have a great year that none of us expected. You are going to pass on the limited number of QUALITY RB's in hopes of finding a needle in the the haystack? Good luck with that. Like many others, I make my own rankings. I have WR being the deepest position, by far. It isn't even close. Sometimes I think people post just to try and throw off the newbies. lol Saying the RB position is "deep" is actually funny.

mcfadden's ADP was sky high, as was staffords, as was fitz's (who said anything about top 5 wr?), ryan mathews was an rb1 before the collarbone issue. my point was, is that players under perform their ADP but prior to that we expect the same production based on last years stat line. last year doesnt = this year.

 

but i will remember this thread. for better or worse, during the year.

[snatchit 108]

this draft results will end up the same before its over as last year... with the exception of Fitz last year all the top WR's were top WR's. Cant say that about the RB's. I mean I had CJ and DMAC as RB's, 1st and 2nd round guys.... it sucked. I would rather get 2 guaranteed ppr studs baring injury in say Calvin, Dez, Green and Marshall. then roll with a bunch up high upside RB's with a few handcuffs. Again there wont be many surprises in break out WR's, we basically know who they all are. RB's are a different story. When I say break out elite WR I mean 1300 yrds, 90 catches, 11, 12 TD's.... rare that happens. RB's on the other hand being Break out meaning 1200 yrds, 11, 12 TD's there will be plenty. Keep in mind guys I am talking about ppr, there will be a lot of check down passes to the 3rd down backs when the run game is stalled, mo money, mo money. Even ALF will be off the field on third downs, Helu will be plugged in. Just offering a different thought

[snatchit 108]

when I say rare the elite wr breaks out, I mean rare that no one saw it coming.... Yes there was the shorts and alexanders last year but still the production was at most low # 1 level... RB's can come out of no where and be a top 5 or 10

[rallo 136]

this draft results will end up the same before its over as last year... with the exception of Fitz last year all the top WR's were top WR's. Cant say that about the RB's. I mean I had CJ and DMAC as RB's, 1st and 2nd round guys.... it sucked. I would rather get 2 guaranteed ppr studs baring injury in say Calvin, Dez, Green and Marshall. then roll with a bunch up high upside RB's with a few handcuffs. Again there wont be many surprises in break out WR's, we basically know who they all are. RB's are a different story. When I say break out elite WR I mean 1300 yrds, 90 catches, 11, 12 TD's.... rare that happens. RB's on the other hand being Break out meaning 1200 yrds, 11, 12 TD's there will be plenty. Keep in mind guys I am talking about ppr, there will be a lot of check down passes to the 3rd down backs when the run game is stalled, mo money, mo money. Even ALF will be off the field on third downs, Helu will be plugged in. Just offering a different thought

I guess we'll just have to disagree on some things... especially the bolded

 

For RBs

Of the 2012 projected top ten 6/10 failed to finish top ten

For WRs

of the 2012 projected top ten 7/10 failed to finish top ten...

 

if anything this proves the WR pool to be MORE volatile than the RB pool...

 

couple that with the fact that (in a standard scoring system)...

The #1 RB outscored the #10 RB by 120 pts and the #25 RB by 210pts

The #1 WR outscored the #10 WR by 57pts and the #25 WR by 110pts...

 

These two stats show that not only is a running back more likely to repeat his projected performance, but also that there will be a greater reward for getting a top 10 RB than a top 10 WR...

[snatchit 108]

I am talking about standard ppr.... we work you numbers

[Flaximus 2]

How does everyone's position change in a 12 team PPR league where you start 1 RB, 1 WR and 2 flex (RB/WR)?

[Herbivore 1,134]

How does everyone's position change in a 12 team PPR league where you start 1 RB, 1 WR and 2 flex (RB/WR)?

 

I don't think it would change too much, only very slightly more to Wr favor. Like at the end of round 5 you will still likely have about the same number of RB and WR drafted, but in your scenario a couple more Wr than Rb's. Meaning standard ppr league you would have about 28 rbs, 24 Wrs, 6 Qbs, 2 Te's. Your scenario might be more like 24 Rb, 28 Wr, etc, but also Wr will go a bit earlier, rb a bit later.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,264]

How does everyone's position change in a 12 team PPR league where you start 1 RB, 1 WR and 2 flex (RB/WR)?

BPA BABY!!!

[snatchit 108]

true.... let me just fess up, I wanting someone to talk me off the ledge.. I decided to keep 2 stud wr's in ppr. I think I will be fine collecting a bunch of mid round rb's and hope that 2 hit or at least be average. I think this year being you can get a really good qb in like the 7th... it will allow me to do it.

[Flaximus 2]

BPA BABY!!!

 

My thoughts as well. It opens up options after securing a solid #1 at both positions.

[Serpent 51]

Well usually I play in leagues with 2 RB and 3 WR. Since I don't want to have 5 WRs on my roster generally I want 3 WRs that I can plug in every week. 2 of those I want to have drafted at least. I only want 4 WRs on my roster.

 

I would prefer to have 4-5 RBs on my roster. Then I usually play matchups until I get someone or two that I can plug in most weeks.

 

While I like having a top QB and TE, those are the 2 positions I will sacrifice on. So generally I prefer to have 2 WR and 1 RB at least in my first 4 rounds of drafting. Rounds 5-8 generally I'm looking to pick up as many RBs as I can.

 

I don't usually have a real set plan however, I draft BPA but it usually works out that in R2 and R3 I think that's a WR rather than an RB, and if I pick late enough in R1 it's WR also (Megatron).

[L_O_D 1]

I was going to disagree but I find your avatar oddly intimidating. What is on your forehead?

 

Granted I am high, but I damn near pissed myself when I read this. I glanced at the avatar moments before reading your last sentence.

 

On topic...I have to "support" Greybeard and other heretics like me who dare try and win this game without going RB-RB-RB.

[snatchit 108]

thank you

[Maroon Bells 18]

last year doesnt = this year.

 

 

Simple and obvious, but the more people understand this the better they'll do.