Amazing poker hand leaves me scratching my head.

[Giants Fan 85]

First leg of a multiday, $25k tournament.

 

Almost the end of the day. I've been up and down the whole time between 7k and 25k, and at the start of this hand I had about 20k and am in the BB, which was 1k. SB is 500 and there are 100 antes. SB has about the same in chips and is an old lady who has been drinking rum and coke the whole time and is drunk. Folds around to her and she raises it to 3k.

 

Now, the focked up part is she had been real chummy with me the whole time (and in the past), and nobody else is in the pot. I dunno why, but my read on her was that she was not very strong. Her previous raises were much bigger. I have bet her off of several hands already, so I pretty much am gonna call with any 2 cards there because I am getting 2.5 to 1 on a call. So, I call with K7.

 

Flop comes 456, rainbow. Pretty good flop for my hand, I have an open ended straight draw. She bets 3000 again and I call. Turn is an ace, and she checks. Now, I know she is actually afraid of that card, and the check confirms it. I bet 6k. She calls.

 

This is where it gets weird. The river is a 2. She doesn't say anything, and just turns her cards over, pocket twos. She just rivered a set. Now, I know in most casinos, in a tournament, intentionally exposing your cards makes it a dead hand, a fold. Well, not here. Here it's still a live hand, and the floor comes over and says she can still bet or check. So, she checks. I think about it, and this is a HUGE pot ... she KNOWS I know what her cards are, but I only have 7k left, and I think she is stupid enough to call if I go all in, so I bet 3k. She calls, and I muck my cards.

 

I asked her, "Why did you call my big bet on the turn?" and she says, "I knew you had an ace. I was hoping for a 3 ... so, I actually had a lot of outs." Little did she know, I didn't have an ace, and a 3 would have been a horrible card for her ... and still ... let's say she had 6 outs. That would put her at 12% and if I have a hand like 78, she is drawing dead. Unbelievable.

 

So, from there I went all in and doubled up on my small blind, Stole a few more blinds with J10s and 107o, and I ended the day with about 15k. Gets me into the finals on Saturday ... but I will be starting with less than 10 big blinds.

 

Biggest pocket pair I had the whole time was 88 and I lost to JJ on that hand, so I guess I should feel fortunate to have made it ... but the way that drunk old lady played that hand ... it just baffled me. The whole table was baffled.

[nobody 2,043]

I only read the first paragraph and I refuse to believe you wrote this. Too much pertinent info

[Bill E. 666]

drunk old lady ... What is to figure? She prolly did not know what she had let alone the odds.

[Giants Fan 85]

Here's the real question.

 

I'm going in there Saturday with 14,800 in chips. Blinds are 800/`1600 with 100 ante for 10 minutes, before the next 20 minute level. What is the bottom shove range? JQ suited?

[Giants Fan 85]

It's funny too, I sold her that I had an ace, and when I see her on Saturday, I will remind her of the hand, lie, and tell her I had A,7 and that she hit a 2 outer. I'm not sure she will even remember it.

 

It's a psychological play. I may run into her later in the tournament and be able to use that to my advantage.

[DankNuggs 305]

Betting that river after she showed the set was insane.... You took your shot on the turn where she should have folded, and she proved a calling station... Have to let it go. She isn't smart enough to consider laying down a set there...

[NorthernVike 2,080]

Can length?

[TimmySmith 2,782]

In summation. She had you beat from the flop and suckered you into throwing an extra 3k into the pot.

 

After you had seen her cards you had 2 choices, All-in or fold. Another terrible play.

[Herbivore 905]

In summation. She had you beat from the flop and suckered you into throwing an extra 3k into the pot.

 

After you had seen her cards you had 2 choices, All-in or fold. Another terrible play.

 

Exactly.

[mayhem39 3]

Fold pre flop

[DankNuggs 305]

Fold pre flop

This is the best advice in the thread...

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I'm scratching my head too.

[nobody 2,043]

Here's the real question.

 

I'm going in there Saturday with 14,800 in chips. Blinds are 800/`1600 with 100 ante for 10 minutes, before the next 20 minute level. What is the bottom shove range? JQ suited?

 

It depends on your position, and a couple of guys named sklansky and chubukov did a lot of the work for you.

[Bill E. 666]

Here's the real question.

 

I'm going in there Saturday with 14,800 in chips. Blinds are 800/`1600 with 100 ante for 10 minutes, before the next 20 minute level. What is the bottom shove range? JQ suited?

Obviously depends on position and what those before you do. It looks like you do not have a lot of time to act but you don't have to jump in on the first few hands. Good luck, hope you win it all.

[jets24 6]

Yeah......hard to believe you call bet after bet from her with K7 and still lose. You sir....are an idiot.

[DankNuggs 305]

Yeah......hard to believe you call bet after bet from her with K7 and still lose. You sir....are an idiot.

Poker is all about levels of thinking... GF was a level of thinking above his opponent... The problem with being a level above, is that its the same as being a level below.

[Giants Fan 85]

Welp ... coolered right out of the gate. First hand I get AK, I raise all in, snap called by aces. Hit my K, but it didn't matter.

[WhiteWonder 2,172]

what did one donk say to the other?

[nobody 2,043]

I'm going to stop for awhile too. I've been running so bad/playing so bad lately that I'm not even listening to my reads. It's like I want to win the hand so bad I can't fold or have to bluff.

 

Last night, 1-2 at the commerce. I have 90. There's a maniac that has 58, and a solid tight player with 73.

 

Tight player limps. I raise to 10 in middle position with AK. Maniac calls on button because he saw every flop. Tight guy thinks for about 20 seconds and calls too. Looks sick doing it.

 

Flop comes K82 with 2 hearts. Tight player doesn't give off anything and checks. I bet 30 into the 36 dollar pot because I need to make sure I charge maniac for any draws. Maniac jams his remaining 48 bucks, and tight player Hollywoods his ass off before calling 48 and leaving himself 15 behind. Now what could tight player have?

 

He's tight. He limp called preflop, and now he's check calling for 75% of his stack after Hollywooding.. What could he possibly have? I'm just looking at the dude in disbelief for like 10 seconds. Finally, I said "I can't believe you just flopped a set of eights." So now I'm trying to figure out if we could possibly have the same hand. Could he have KQ? I finally decide KQ could be in his range, so I just go ahead and put the 18 and his 15 in the pot. Why do people insist on putting in 80% of their stack anyway? When are you ever folding that 20%? Like he's ever going to fold for that 15 bucks. Of course he has the eights. But the maniac got the main pot when he hit his flush draw whih was kind of nice at least. Point is. I knew I was basically drawing dead to his set and I still lit that 33 bucks on fire.

 

Then I did it again later that night. I 3-bet someone with AKs. Newish guy min-raises me. If you ever play at the commerce, and someone min-raises your preflop raise, it's AA. Everytime. Thats the Commerce move apparently which is great because it's a dead giveaway that they have AA, but for some reason this time I decide I can't have run into AA again for the 10th time this week. I decide that he has AK as well, and I'm going to call and then jam any flop. He insta-calls the flop. He has AA of course. Like they always do. Every single time.

 

Then today at the 1-3 at Hustler. It's more of the same. Bad beats, card dead, coolers you name it. I've been playing ultra-nitty. I mean in 5 hours, I played AK, AA, QQ, KK, 99, and 88, and I went through 3 buy-ins. The typical coolers and guys hitting draws type stuff. It was partially because I was folding J3 all day and partially because I was trying to get back to basics. Typical limp fest table besides 1 pretty decent LAG at the table driving the action which is rare. Anyways seat 5 is my favorite type of player. He's a calling station pre and fit or fold on the flop. I have 56 in my stack he has me covered. So he limps utg and it folds around to me on the button. I have A7 and I raise to 14. By far the weakest hand I raised all night. Basically, a value raise, though. I get through the LAG, and seat 5 calls, and I actually like it. I'm thinking he probably has some broadway cards. So when we both miss this flop I'll just take it down. Flop comes 642, and I can tell he hit the flop somehow. Normally he has this look of disgust when he misses. This time, he stares at it and he even gives me his fancy check which I saw him do one other time with a strong hand. Of course, my nose is wide open, and I'm supposed to take it away, so I bet out 17 he calls. That should be clue number 2 to just shut down, but nope, I fire the turn 10 for my last 25. He rolls over 76s, Nice hand, sir. Then I get the speech about how he knew I was bluffing. That's a nice bonus, thanks..

 

Moral of the story is, if you're going to ignore your reads, you might as well not even have reads, and I need to get my mind right and not play until I can make folds when necessary. Can't win if, if you can't fold when you're beat. I've just been running so bad, I just refuse to believe it. I can't play in this mental state. These are folds I make all day when I'm not losing 15 bucks an hour of my last 50 hours.

[bweiser831 0]

I'm going to stop for awhile too. I've been running so bad/playing so bad lately that I'm not even listening to my reads. It's like I want to win the hand so bad I can't fold or have to bluff.

 

Last night, 1-2 at the commerce. I have 90. There's a maniac that has 58, and a solid tight player with 73.

 

Tight player limps. I raise to 10 in middle position with AK. Maniac calls on button because he saw every flop. Tight guy thinks for about 20 seconds and calls too. Looks sick doing it.

 

Flop comes K82 with 2 hearts. Tight player doesn't give off anything and checks. I bet 30 into the 36 dollar pot because I need to make sure I charge maniac for any draws. Maniac jams his remaining 48 bucks, and tight player Hollywoods his ass off before calling 48 and leaving himself 15 behind. Now what could tight player have?

 

He's tight. He limp called preflop, and now he's check calling for 75% of his stack after Hollywooding.. What could he possibly have? I'm just looking at the dude in disbelief for like 10 seconds. Finally, I said "I can't believe you just flopped a set of eights." So now I'm trying to figure out if we could possibly have the same hand. Could he have KQ? I finally decide KQ could be in his range, so I just go ahead and put the 18 and his 15 in the pot. Why do people insist on putting in 80% of their stack anyway? When are you ever folding that 20%? Like he's ever going to fold for that 15 bucks. Of course he has the eights. But the maniac got the main pot when he hit his flush draw whih was kind of nice at least. Point is. I knew I was basically drawing dead to his set and I still lit that 33 bucks on fire.

 

Then I did it again later that night. I 3-bet someone with AKs. Newish guy min-raises me. If you ever play at the commerce, and someone min-raises your preflop raise, it's AA. Everytime. Thats the Commerce move apparently which is great because it's a dead giveaway that they have AA, but for some reason this time I decide I can't have run into AA again for the 10th time this week. I decide that he has AK as well, and I'm going to call and then jam any flop. He insta-calls the flop. He has AA of course. Like they always do. Every single time.

 

Then today at the 1-3 at Hustler. It's more of the same. Bad beats, card dead, coolers you name it. I've been playing ultra-nitty. I mean in 5 hours, I played AK, AA, QQ, KK, 99, and 88, and I went through 3 buy-ins. The typical coolers and guys hitting draws type stuff. It was partially because I was folding J3 all day and partially because I was trying to get back to basics. Typical limp fest table besides 1 pretty decent LAG at the table driving the action which is rare. Anyways seat 5 is my favorite type of player. He's a calling station pre and fit or fold on the flop. I have 56 in my stack he has me covered. So he limps utg and it folds around to me on the button. I have A7 and I raise to 14. By far the weakest hand I raised all night. Basically, a value raise, though. I get through the LAG, and seat 5 calls, and I actually like it. I'm thinking he probably has some broadway cards. So when we both miss this flop I'll just take it down. Flop comes 642, and I can tell he hit the flop somehow. Normally he has this look of disgust when he misses. This time, he stares at it and he even gives me his fancy check which I saw him do one other time with a strong hand. Of course, my nose is wide open, and I'm supposed to take it away, so I bet out 17 he calls. That should be clue number 2 to just shut down, but nope, I fire the turn 10 for my last 25. He rolls over 76s, Nice hand, sir. Then I get the speech about how he knew I was bluffing. That's a nice bonus, thanks..

 

Moral of the story is, if you're going to ignore your reads, you might as well not even have reads, and I need to get my mind right and not play until I can make folds when necessary. Can't win if, if you can't fold when you're beat. I've just been running so bad, I just refuse to believe it. I can't play in this mental state. These are folds I make all day when I'm not losing 15 bucks an hour of my last 50 hours.

 

I could not play under those conditions. Rebuy/top off whatever you need to do. And get up from a table when there are this many shortstacks.

[Big Blue 06 195]

I'm going to stop for awhile too. I've been running so bad/playing so bad lately that I'm not even listening to my reads. It's like I want to win the hand so bad I can't fold or have to bluff.

 

Last night, 1-2 at the commerce. I have 90. There's a maniac that has 58, and a solid tight player with 73.

 

Tight player limps. I raise to 10 in middle position with AK. Maniac calls on button because he saw every flop. Tight guy thinks for about 20 seconds and calls too. Looks sick doing it.

 

Flop comes K82 with 2 hearts. Tight player doesn't give off anything and checks. I bet 30 into the 36 dollar pot because I need to make sure I charge maniac for any draws. Maniac jams his remaining 48 bucks, and tight player Hollywoods his ass off before calling 48 and leaving himself 15 behind. Now what could tight player have?

 

He's tight. He limp called preflop, and now he's check calling for 75% of his stack after Hollywooding.. What could he possibly have? I'm just looking at the dude in disbelief for like 10 seconds. Finally, I said "I can't believe you just flopped a set of eights." So now I'm trying to figure out if we could possibly have the same hand. Could he have KQ? I finally decide KQ could be in his range, so I just go ahead and put the 18 and his 15 in the pot. Why do people insist on putting in 80% of their stack anyway? When are you ever folding that 20%? Like he's ever going to fold for that 15 bucks. Of course he has the eights. But the maniac got the main pot when he hit his flush draw whih was kind of nice at least. Point is. I knew I was basically drawing dead to his set and I still lit that 33 bucks on fire.

 

Then I did it again later that night. I 3-bet someone with AKs. Newish guy min-raises me. If you ever play at the commerce, and someone min-raises your preflop raise, it's AA. Everytime. Thats the Commerce move apparently which is great because it's a dead giveaway that they have AA, but for some reason this time I decide I can't have run into AA again for the 10th time this week. I decide that he has AK as well, and I'm going to call and then jam any flop. He insta-calls the flop. He has AA of course. Like they always do. Every single time.

 

Then today at the 1-3 at Hustler. It's more of the same. Bad beats, card dead, coolers you name it. I've been playing ultra-nitty. I mean in 5 hours, I played AK, AA, QQ, KK, 99, and 88, and I went through 3 buy-ins. The typical coolers and guys hitting draws type stuff. It was partially because I was folding J3 all day and partially because I was trying to get back to basics. Typical limp fest table besides 1 pretty decent LAG at the table driving the action which is rare. Anyways seat 5 is my favorite type of player. He's a calling station pre and fit or fold on the flop. I have 56 in my stack he has me covered. So he limps utg and it folds around to me on the button. I have A7 and I raise to 14. By far the weakest hand I raised all night. Basically, a value raise, though. I get through the LAG, and seat 5 calls, and I actually like it. I'm thinking he probably has some broadway cards. So when we both miss this flop I'll just take it down. Flop comes 642, and I can tell he hit the flop somehow. Normally he has this look of disgust when he misses. This time, he stares at it and he even gives me his fancy check which I saw him do one other time with a strong hand. Of course, my nose is wide open, and I'm supposed to take it away, so I bet out 17 he calls. That should be clue number 2 to just shut down, but nope, I fire the turn 10 for my last 25. He rolls over 76s, Nice hand, sir. Then I get the speech about how he knew I was bluffing. That's a nice bonus, thanks..

 

Moral of the story is, if you're going to ignore your reads, you might as well not even have reads, and I need to get my mind right and not play until I can make folds when necessary. Can't win if, if you can't fold when you're beat. I've just been running so bad, I just refuse to believe it. I can't play in this mental state. These are folds I make all day when I'm not losing 15 bucks an hour of my last 50 hours.

 

Is it weird that reading this post makes me want to get back to AC and the tables? I haven't been since my daughter was born and I've got the itch. Your post should have scared me off, but it had the opposite effect.

[Giants Fan 85]

Poker is dead.

 

You have very few REALLY bad players these days. They go broke too quick. What you had was this poker boom, where there were so many idiots playing poker because it was cool, that it was easy to make money. All those people have moved onto growing beards, or whatever is currently cool. They aren;t coming back. On top of that, you have a bunch of kids that honed their skills online and transfered to live after black friday. Some of them sucked live and all of them have been weeded out, so all you have left is mostly solid players. And then you have the gamblers. I saw a guy today (short stacker, angle shooting bluffer I mentioned earlier) call an all in (he was short stacked so it was like $14) with J3 suited and he had paired his 3. The other guy had pocket kings. Short stacker then proceeded to go running hearts for a flush. So, these degen gamblers are not really guys you want to face either. There's not enough fish in the system right now. New players are not coming in.

[bweiser831 0]

Poker is dead.

 

You have very few REALLY bad players these days. They go broke too quick. What you had was this poker boom, where there were so many idiots playing poker because it was cool, that it was easy to make money. All those people have moved onto growing beards, or whatever is currently cool. They aren;t coming back. On top of that, you have a bunch of kids that honed their skills online and transfered to live after black friday. Some of them sucked live and all of them have been weeded out, so all you have left is mostly solid players. And then you have the gamblers. I saw a guy today (short stacker, angle shooting bluffer I mentioned earlier) call an all in (he was short stacked so it was like $14) with J3 suited and he had paired his 3. The other guy had pocket kings. Short stacker then proceeded to go running hearts for a flush. So, these degen gamblers are not really guys you want to face either. There's not enough fish in the system right now. New players are not coming in.

 

They're out there. The bad players still exist.

 

I have KK. Raise to $26 in a $1/$2 game with a straddle. Two callers. Flop 852. Checks to me. I bet $60. One caller. Turn 8. Checks to me. I go all-in for $120. He calls. FML. He has to have an 8, right? No. He has 35o. Yeah. They suck. They still play.

[Giants Fan 85]

For me lately it would be the same story, but the river would be a 5. I keep flopping sets and getting called down by a guy who goes runner, runner. If I didn;t know any better, I would think I was being cheated. Someone once said that doesn't matter. "If you are losing at one place, when you think you should be winning ... don't play there anymore."

 

End of story. I'm succeeding at getting my opponents to put their money in bad ... and then their miracle card comes.

[bweiser831 0]

For me lately it would be the same story, but the river would be a 5. I keep flopping sets and getting called down by a guy who goes runner, runner. If I didn;t know any better, I would think I was being cheated. Someone once said that doesn't matter. "If you are losing at one place, when you think you should be winning ... don't play there anymore."

 

End of story. I'm succeeding at getting my opponents to put their money in bad ... and then their miracle card comes.

 

the river was a 5, but that's inconsequential. some donkey put his money in with two outs ... that's the point. they eventually give it away if you can stick around long enough.

[Chronic Husker 85]

I know we have the IBL or whatever they call it for ff but if they did the same shizz with poker, I guaranfockingtee you fftoday would come in last. It's like we're full of Rain Men minus any mathematical ability or reasoning at all.

[patweisers44 697]

Poker is dead.

 

You have very few REALLY bad players these days. They go broke too quick. What you had was this poker boom, where there were so many idiots playing poker because it was cool, that it was easy to make money. All those people have moved onto growing beards, or whatever is currently cool. They aren;t coming back. On top of that, you have a bunch of kids that honed their skills online and transfered to live after black friday. Some of them sucked live and all of them have been weeded out, so all you have left is mostly solid players. And then you have the gamblers. I saw a guy today (short stacker, angle shooting bluffer I mentioned earlier) call an all in (he was short stacked so it was like $14) with J3 suited and he had paired his 3. The other guy had pocket kings. Short stacker then proceeded to go running hearts for a flush. So, these degen gamblers are not really guys you want to face either. There's not enough fish in the system right now. New players are not coming in.

Arent you always claiming there are fish all over the place? Or are you just saying that everyone is isnt bad, they just arent as good as you?

[DankNuggs 305]

I know we have the IBL or whatever they call it for ff but if they did the same shizz with poker, I guaranfockingtee you fftoday would come in last. It's like we're full of Rain Men minus any mathematical ability or reasoning at all.

I can bring the thunder...

[DankNuggs 305]

I know we have the IBL or whatever they call it for ff but if they did the same shizz with poker, I guaranfockingtee you fftoday would come in last. It's like we're full of Rain Men minus any mathematical ability or reasoning at all.

I can bring the thunder...

[DankNuggs 305]

I know we have the IBL or whatever they call it for ff but if they did the same shizz with poker, I guaranfockingtee you fftoday would come in last. It's like we're full of Rain Men minus any mathematical ability or reasoning at all.

I can bring the thunder...

[DankNuggs 305]

I know we have the IBL or whatever they call it for ff but if they did the same shizz with poker, I guaranfockingtee you fftoday would come in last. It's like we're full of Rain Men minus any mathematical ability or reasoning at all.

I can bring the thunder...