LOL @ "contact with the neck of the QB"

[highsider5 36]

yawn... the call sucked, it was a killer sack and SF got jobbed and it might have cost them the game, but I really could care less who won, SF isn't my team and I hate the town and entire nocal area people besides.

 

so there

[Sho Nuff 720]

yawn... the call sucked, it was a killer sack and SF got jobbed and it might have cost them the game, but I really could care less who won, SF isn't my team and I hate the town and entire nocal area people besides.

 

so there

 

So you can't answer his question?

Did the defender's arm hit Brees' neck?

 

Again, as he said, it did...you can see it in photos...in the slow mo...all of it.

The rule sucks...but by the letter of the rule it was the right call.

There was no jobbing.

[giraldi02 474]

Poor 49ers fans. Hyprocrites just like their coach. Hang a sharpie around your neck. That'll protect you from bad joo-joo

 

Just remember...the next time Kaepernick gets hit like that and you scream for a flag...you're doing the exact thing you're currently complaining against. If Ahmad Brooks speared Brees he would have been able to accomplish the same thing...sans the penalty.

 

Additionally, if players and coaches on any team are too stupid to understand that the NFL has protected their golden boys more so than normal players, that's on them...not the refs. Don't go anywhere near a guy like Brees, Brady, Manning's head or neck.

[madd futher mucker 36]

They showed the hit multiple times from multiple angles last night and my conclusion was that the call was correct by NFL current rules. i watched the game as i watch most of them - not as a fan of either team but as a football fan who watches a ton of games each season. So I do not have a dog in this fight as we say here in the South. The fact is that the defender made contact with the chest is irrelevant. He also made contact with the QB's neck and ultimately his face. It became an illegal high hit as soon as his arms corralled Brees' neck.

 

I'd also disagree with those who think the player safety rules that the NFL has been put in place are bad for the game. I'd submit the exact opposite. To the extent that concussions, and neck/ spinal injuries can be reduced, it is imperative for many reasons that the NFL make every effort to do so.

 

First the NFL has tremendous monetary liability issues if they don't do everything possible to protect players and still make it entertaining to the fans. Even though some would like to see it be more of a 'blood sport', the NFL can't allow that to happen. Some of you would do away with the new safety rules, just like some would watch NASCAR hoping to see the fiery crashes which often result in disfiguring injuries and death. But we are not watching Roman gladiators in an arena here, folks. .

 

Quarterbacks in particular are getting extra protection because A) they are much more vulnerable to serious injury from high and/or late hits; and B ) these are the guys that FANS PAY THEIR MONEY TO COME TO WATCH PLAY- not to be knocked out of multiple games or the season because of hits that could be avoided. So there are multiple good reasons for the high hit rule and to error on the side of player safety when possible.

 

From the perspective of fantasy football, which has become a big part of the pro football landscape, i would think that everyone would want to see less injuries, not more. Too many injuries to the skill position players on our fantasy teams mean much higher variance or randomness of scoring results, which can ultimately destroys the fun of the fantasy football experience.

[dpbuddha 9]

So wtf is a linebacker supposed to do? Brees is 6'0...maybe. Brooks is 6'3 and there are plenty of bigger badder guys out there looking to tackle a quarterback. Brooks comes in and hits him chest to chest...oh geez, his arm slid up and caught him in the neck on the way down. What is he supposed to do, lower his head so that he hits him in the torso? No, then he will get a flag for lowering his head and using it as a weapon. How the fock are you supposed to tackle a player? I have an idea on how to protect the quarterbacks in a football game...you block the motherfocking defenders!

[dpbuddha 9]

Wait...I have another idea. Maybe if we eliminate the fumble as a part of the game, guys won't try and hit so hard...then those quarterbacks won't have so much to worry about. Or maybe we tie players shoelaces together so they will never get up enough speed to be able to hit anyone harder than an 8-year old.

[madd futher mucker 36]

So wtf is a linebacker supposed to do? Brees is 6'0...maybe. Brooks is 6'3 and there are plenty of bigger badder guys out there looking to tackle a quarterback. Brooks comes in and hits him chest to chest...oh geez, his arm slid up and caught him in the neck on the way down.

 

i don't give a damn about relative height. When the rule says that high hits are illegal, you either hit him low or be subject to penalty. The rule is there for a good reason. The defender knew the rule and came in too high on the tackle. Period.

 

BTW, the fact that there was or was not any intent to put a high hit on him has no bearing either. Most penalties (illegal procedure, offsides and most offensive holding calls) are not intentional penalties but instead are inadvertant. That doesn't change the outcome a bit.

 

Your arguments is kind of like saying "Geez, i didn't mean to hit that pedestrian, officer I really didn't see him, because he was only a 4' tall kid. What was i supposed to do?" Somehow. I don't think you would get much sympathy.

[Quickolas1 80]

 

i don't give a damn about relative height. When the rule says that high hits are illegal, you either hit him low or be subject to penalty. The rule is there for a good reason. The defender knew the rule and came in too high on the tackle. Period.

 

BTW, the fact that there was or was not any intent to put a high hit on him has no bearing either. most penalties (illegal procedure, offsides and most offensive holding calls) are not intentional penalties but instead are inadvertant. That doesn't change the outcome a bit.

 

the problem, of course, is that you can't go anywhere near his upper body (mid-chest up as you may touch his neck/head) or knees down. so you have a very small area that you are allowed to hit... and that area causes you to lower your head to hit them (unless you're a 5'0'' defender). and that is all assuming the QB doesn't move AT ALL so you hit them right in the waist area.

 

i don't see any evidence that QBs are more vulnerable to head shots or late hits. in fact, I see way more concussions (that they announce) from every other position. and i would guess the ones we don't hear about are non-qbs more than qbs.

[madd futher mucker 36]

While the new safety rules impact safety at just about every position, yes, you can make a pretty good argument that QBs are afforded special protections. And from an NFL marketing perspective, rightly so. It is a passing league and the Peyton Mannings, Drew Breeses, and Tom Bradys are the players who put the fans in the stands my friend.

 

So get used to it because it is not going to change.

[LSUtiger 9]

The fact that SF fans are pointing to this single play as costing them the game is an absolute JOKE.

 

SF scored 20 points yesterday. 14 of which resulted directly from a gifted muffed fumble at the Saints' own 10 and a terrible Brees INT that setup SF at the Saints' 15 yard line. Oh and lest we forget the clear pick six the Saints had that the CB somehow fumbled out the endzone before scoring. That's 14 points to the Niners off two gimme turnovers and 7 points less for the Saints on an extremely lucky play for SF.

 

This game shouldn't even have been close. The Saints dominated but for the two turnovers.

[Reality 3,121]

The fact that SF fans are pointing to this single play as costing them the game is an absolute JOKE.

 

SF scored 20 points yesterday. 14 of which resulted directly from a gifted muffed fumble at the Saints' own 10 and a terrible Brees INT that setup SF at the Saints' 15 yard line. Oh and lest we forget the clear pick six the Saints had that the CB somehow fumbled out the endzone before scoring. That's 14 points to the Niners off two gimme turnovers and 7 points less for the Saints on an extremely lucky play for SF.

 

This game shouldn't even have been close. The Saints dominated but for the two turnovers.

[LSUtiger 9]

Facts are fun. Like SF's less than 200 yards of total offense. Pathetic.

[tikigods 76]

We call this the drobeski rule on the Geek Board.

[Reality 3,121]

Facts are fun. Like SF's less than 200 yards of total offense. Pathetic.

And it still took a bullish!t call and a last second field goal at home to win, so yea, it wasn't close..

 

 

Retard post of the day, congrats, that is saying a lot around here.

[LSUtiger 9]

And it still took a bullish!t call and a last second field goal at home to win, so yea, it wasn't close..

 

 

Retard post of the day, congrats, that is saying a lot around here.

You sure got me. It's tough when facts are outweighed by emoticons.

[Reality 3,121]

You sure got me. It's tough when facts are outweighed by emoticons.

Cool story, the facts are a last second field goal won the game. No other stats matter. Points are all that matters, it's a scoreboard not a yardage board.

[LSUtiger 9]

Cool story, the facts are a last second field goal won the game. No other stats matter. Points are all that matters, it's a scoreboard not a yardage board.

 

You mad bro? In that case, scoreboard b*tch!

[Reality 3,121]

 

You mad bro? In that case, scoreboard b*tch!

Nah, just anybody suggesting the game wasn't close is an idiot. Seems you fit the Bill.

[giraldi02 474]

And it still took a bullish!t call and a last second field goal at home to win, so yea, it wasn't close..

 

 

Maybe if a certain special teams player didn't run into a guy that clearly waved for a fair catch the Saints would've been 15 yards too far for a FG

[Reality 3,121]

Maybe if a certain special teams player didn't run into a guy that clearly waved for a fair catch the Saints would've been 15 yards too far for a FG

I agree, that doesn't mean the game really wasn't close.

 

[highsider5 36]

wow... where do I sign up for the pissing contest,.finally, something I'm overqualified for :jump:

[LSUtiger 9]

Here's a picture breakdown of Brooks' tackle on Brees.

 

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p/46272083/Proof-that-Brees-hit-was-indeed-illegal-in-5-pictures.aspx

 

Sorry, can't tackle people by their head, much less a QB.

 

ETA: You want to blame someone then blame Brooks for going high like an idiot.

[giraldi02 474]

I agree, that doesn't mean the game really wasn't close.

 

It was a good game. A playoff style game. I just laugh when fans of any team complain about one call when there are/were opportunities that could've sealed it long before or after. And I've certainly been guilty of it myself lol

 

Personally...for me, the game changed when Frank Gore dropped that pass with about 7 minutes to go. If he catches that __________

[Reality 3,121]

It was a good game. A playoff style game. I just laugh when fans of any team complain about one call when there are/were opportunities that could've sealed it long before or after. And I've certainly been guilty of it myself lol

 

Personally...for me, the game changed when Frank Gore dropped that pass with about 7 minutes to go. If he catches that __________

Yup, I agree, Gore had the opportunity to win the game on that play. I'm just saying anybody insinuating that the game want close is a fkn retard.

[highsider5 36]

Here's a picture breakdown of Brooks' tackle on Brees.

 

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p/46272083/Proof-that-Brees-hit-was-indeed-illegal-in-5-pictures.aspx

 

Sorry, can't tackle people by their head, much less a QB.

 

ETA: You want to blame someone then blame Brooks for going high like an idiot.

look, I'm a pathetic a$$ dolphin fan with no dog in this fight and here is a third party review... the stills from the OP in that thread ar possibly the only angle that doesn't show jack... so if you have a case, that is the worst possible evidence

 

second, this GIF shows the hit much better, if you want, you can glaze over until teary staring at the minutia... in this, I offer that is is very clear that dudes arm is anywhere but Brees neck, and staring at it some myself, the position of it all actually helps Brees from being hurt

 

http://i.imgur.com/A8v1DnG.gif

 

in any case, this topic is on its way to being more blown than bullygate, which is the most limpwristed topic of the year... and in either case, I stand by my opinion that while it's a hard hit for sure, football is a tough sport and hard hits by themselves, aren't a penalty to me

[Saint Elistan 106]

Here's a picture breakdown of Brooks' tackle on Brees.

 

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/p/46272083/Proof-that-Brees-hit-was-indeed-illegal-in-5-pictures.aspx

 

Sorry, can't tackle people by their head, much less a QB.

 

ETA: You want to blame someone then blame Brooks for going high like an idiot.

 

Sorry, still not a hit on the neck area. Showing pictures of Brooks' hand positions as Brees fell doesn't change that.

 

Maybe the NFL should equip pass rushers with goose-down pillows to lay down before they attempt a sack.

 

Brees is focking 5'6''. Can't go much lower. Most of the commentating world agrees that it was a textbook tackle.

[LSUtiger 9]

look, I'm a pathetic a$$ dolphin fan with no dog in this fight and here is a third party review... the stills from the OP in that thread ar possibly the only angle that doesn't show jack... so if you have a case, that is the worst possible evidence

 

second, this GIF shows the hit much better, if you want, you can glaze over until teary staring at the minutia... in this, I offer that is is very clear that dudes arm is anywhere but Brees neck, and staring at it some myself, the position of it all actually heed Brees from being hurt

 

i.imgur.com/A8v1DnG.gif

 

in any case, this topic is on its way to being more blown than bullygate, which is the most limpwristed topic of the year... and in either case, I stand by my opinion that while it's a hard hit for sure, football is a tough sport and hard hits by themselves, aren't a penalty to me

 

You're missing the point. Sure when Brooks initially hits Brees his arm is at his chest/collar bone area. Unfortunately for Brooks, he then drug Brees down by the face/head. It's at that point where it became flag-worthy IMO.

 

You can debate it till you're blue in the face. The bottom line is, people (ahem SF fans mainly) can cry foul all they want but that call is made 9/10 times in today's NFL - especially when dealing with a QB like Manning, Brady, Brees, etc. So I don't know what the focking big deal is.

 

And to the "retard" ranter, I never said the game "wasn't close". I said the game shouldn't have been close had the Saints not gifted SF two turnovers deep in their own territory and fumbled a sure-fire pick 6 into the endzone. SF's offense was dogshit yesterday.

[Reality 3,121]

 

You're missing the point. Sure when Brooks initially hits Brees his arm is at his chest/collar bone area. Unfortunately for Brooks, he then drug Brees down by the face/head. It's at that point where it became flag-worthy IMO.

 

You can debate it till you're blue in the face. The bottom line is, people (ahem SF fans mainly) can cry foul all they want but that call is made 9/10 times in today's NFL - especially when dealing with a QB like Manning, Brady, Brees, etc. So I don't know what the focking big deal is.

 

And to the "retard" ranter, I never said the game "wasn't close". I said the game shouldn't have been close had the Saints not gifted SF two turnovers deep in their own territory and fumbled a sure-fire pick 6 into the endzone. SF's offense was dogshit yesterday.

The what if game is idiotic, there were two clear pass interferences that weren't called against the Saints. One in the endzone on third down. The what if game means nothing.

[LSUtiger 9]

The what if game means nothing.

Then what the fock are you bitching about in this entire thread?

[Reality 3,121]

Then what the fock are you bitching about in this entire thread?

I figured it was pretty clear, turn on a TV, the wrong call wad made.

 

[highsider5 36]

 

You're missing the point. Sure when Brooks initially hits Brees his arm is at his chest/collar bone area. Unfortunately for Brooks, he then drug Brees down by the face/head. It's at that point where it became flag-worthy IMO.

 

You can debate it till you're blue in the face. The bottom line is, people (ahem SF fans mainly) can cry foul all they want but that call is made 9/10 times in today's NFL - especially when dealing with a QB like Manning, Brady, Brees, etc. So I don't know what the focking big deal is.

 

And to the "retard" ranter, I never said the game "wasn't close". I said the game shouldn't have been close had the Saints not gifted SF two turnovers deep in their own territory and fumbled a sure-fire pick 6 into the endzone. SF's offense was dogshit yesterday.

not calling anyone a retard brother, just engaging in debate... if you watch the GIF it actually looks like the SF guy let's up as he hit him.. had it been Ndomika (sp???) or merriweather, the defender would have been horizontal ala superman... as the GIF ends, the SF guy is becoming more upright.

 

again, no dog in this fight, the NFC can eat bag for all I care... err... other than my mostly NFC team in FF

[LSUtiger 9]

not calling anyone a retard brother, just engaging in debate... (

Wasn't directed at you. Was directed to the fella who can't engage in speech without calling someone a retard.

[highsider5 36]

let me eBuy this thread a nice cold hefe from BJ's brewery, it's my second favorite brew and overdue in this thread...

 

if I could, I'd hook y'all up with some orange wheat from hangar 24, easily my ATF brew by a mile, by the pitcher full :tiphat:

[Reality 3,121]

Wasn't directed at you. Was directed to the fella who can't engage in speech without calling someone a retard.

I said you had the retard post of the day, do you need some tissue?

[highsider5 36]

ahh.. gotcha... well, let's all drink up, football, beer, shaved cookie not necessarily in that order right

[mgs316 14]

Funny, Favre gets the crap beat out of him with all sorts of illegal hits in the 2009 NFC championship game, no calls. Brees gets tackled, flag.

 

The NFL still feels bad about Katrina.

[MrDooDooMan 3]

Funny, Favre gets the crap beat out of him with all sorts of illegal hits in the 2009 NFC championship game, no calls. Brees gets tackled, flag.

 

The NFL still feels bad about Katrina.

Funny, I don't remember all the rules for hitting the qb in the head/neck being around in 2009.

[highsider5 36]

Funny, I don't remember all the rules for hitting the qb in the head/neck being around in 2009.

 

maybe he was hit in the chest. hence the non call

[mgs316 14]

Funny, I don't remember all the rules for hitting the qb in the head/neck being around in 2009.

 

The low hits to the knee's while a player is engaged rules were in place, as were late hits. None were called.

[madd futher mucker 36]

Farve didn't need no safety rules.. The man was 100% bionic. Even his private parts were made of steel.