Googballz 39 Posted March 21, 2014 This situation now doesn't demand a hard stance from US like the Cuban missile crisis did. Last I checked putin isn't trying to give nukes to mexico or Venezuela or threatening US intrests or territory. Ok. What would you do? Obama freezing non-existent U.S. bank accounts of Putin cronies was met with laughter by the Russians. Obama has announced to the world he will not use military force to stop Putin. So, what is your suggested course of action for Obama at this point? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted March 21, 2014 You do see the difference between the cuban missle crisis versus Crimea right. So Obama should act like JFK did during a much different situation? So I'll ask again. Which you keep skipping the question. Why didn't Bush draw such a hard stance? Could Putin have sinced weakness since bush did nothing the first time? Your only grip is Obama took military action off the table? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted March 21, 2014 Obummer said that military action is off the table? Link? Have you been living under a rock for the past few days? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted March 21, 2014 Ok. What would you do? Obama freezing non-existent U.S. bank accounts of Putin cronies was met with laughter by the Russians. Obama has announced to the world he will not use military force to stop Putin. So, what is your suggested course of action for Obama at this point? I already said. This is an EU problem not a US problem. Go back to last page. I'm not typing it all out again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted March 21, 2014 You do see the difference between the cuban missle crisis versus Crimea right. So Obama should act like JFK did during a much different situation? So I'll ask again. Which you keep skipping the question. Why didn't Bush draw such a hard stance? Could Putin have sinced weakness since bush did nothing the first time? Your only grip is Obama took military action off the table? Maybe Putin "sensed" weakness from Bush. I don't really care at this point since Bush has been out of office for more than 5 years. None of those whining about Bush have brought a link where he announced to the world there would be no military action when the Georgia situation happened. If you have that, I will be the first to call him a puzzy. I'm still waiting for your answer as to what Obama can do at this point......................... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted March 21, 2014 I already said. This is an EU problem not a US problem. Go back to last page. I'm not typing it all out again. Riiight. This has no impact on the U.S. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted March 21, 2014 Maybe Putin "sensed" weakness from Bush. I don't really care at this point since Bush has been out of office for more than 5 years. None of those whining about Bush have brought a link where he announced to the world there would be no military action when the Georgia situation happened. If you have that, I will be the first to call him a puzzy. I'm still waiting for your answer as to what Obama can do at this point......................... I said go back and read. I'm not typing it again. You talk about weakness and bash Obama, bring up learning from History, but it only counts against Obama. History tells us this. Putin invades Georgia and Bush/us does nothing Putin semi withdraws, see weakness in US since Bush did nothing. So now Putin learned from Bush's lack of action he (putin) can do whatever he wants. See you can't have it both ways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted March 21, 2014 Riiight. This has no impact on the U.S. I'm all ears to listen/learn how Russia taking back crimea will affect Americans everyday way of life. I'm eager to learn how this affects our allies overseas. If you can give me facts and not hypothetical situations I'm all ears. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,661 Posted March 21, 2014 Have you been living under a rock for the past few days? No link? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted March 21, 2014 Link? I think he is handling it correctly Bingo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted March 21, 2014 And every Republican on this bored when Bush was in office and Russia took Georgia. Bush, Bush Bush...Bush has been out of office for 6 years. Move on and accept that your messiah is a fockin idiot, like you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted March 21, 2014 No link? Try linking up with current events. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted March 21, 2014 Try linking up with current events. Still waiting for you to tell me how this will affect America. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,661 Posted March 21, 2014 Try linking up with current events. So nothing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted March 21, 2014 Still waiting for you to tell me how this will affect America. Still waiting for you to tell us what Obama should do to solve this.......... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted March 21, 2014 Still waiting for you to tell us what Obama should do to solve this.......... There is no solve this by Obama. Contrary to what you might think Obama can't do anything to Putin. Nothing. And for the 3rd or 4th time I've already given my opinion on this...just go back a page and read it. I don't know what you think he can do, but Putin will leave when enough pressure is put on Russia from many countries not just one. So now it's your turn. You claim this will affect America. Can you please elaborate how? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Googballz 39 Posted March 21, 2014 So nothing? Correct. You have nothing beyond a transparent attempt to get me to look up a link so you can announce to your cliche that you made me jump through your imaginary hoop. Unfortunately for you, I do not care how long you are willing to demonstrate to the board that you are ignorant to the fact Obama has taken any military action off the table. Try your idiotic ploys on someone they may work on. Good luck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,661 Posted March 21, 2014 Correct. You have nothing beyond a transparent attempt to get me to look up a link so you can announce to your cliche that you made me jump through your imaginary hoop. Unfortunately for you, I do not care how long you are willing to demonstrate to the board that you are ignorant to the fact Obama has taken any military action off the table. Try your idiotic ploys on someone they may work on. Good luck. No link? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted March 21, 2014 I am going to have to disagree with the sentiment that "it's not our problem". Sure the EU must be prominently involved as well, but this has effects on the West generally including the United States. NATO should be in the lead here, I don't know what the fock ever happened to them except I think Bush effectively neutered that organization with his unilateral actions. Anyway, fact of the matter is military intervention would be insane. All the people crying and whining about Obama know this, they just want something to complain about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted March 21, 2014 I am going to have to disagree with the sentiment that "it's not our problem". Sure the EU must be prominently involved as well, but this has effects on the West generally including the United States. NATO should be in the lead here, I don't know what the fock ever happened to them except I think Bush effectively neutered that organization with his unilateral actions. Anyway, fact of the matter is military intervention would be insane. All the people crying and whining about Obama know this, they just want something to complain about. Ok worms. I asked googballz the same question. Why is this European/Russian situation our problem? Like I said earlier. If the EU wont band together to stop the aggression of Russia, then why should we worry. This is their backyard not ours. If Crimea goes back to Russia and stays with Russia. What affect does this have on America/Americans and our way of life, and our intrest/allies in Europe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted March 21, 2014 MOSCOW – President Vladimir Putin signed bills at the Kremlin Friday officially completing the annexation of Crimea from Ukraine. Washington DC - Obama goes 14 - 2 in first day of NCAA Tournament Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted March 21, 2014 Fox news reporting sanctions Obama implemented starting to affect Russian economy. No link, just heard it on tv. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 21, 2014 Why are the loonies alway right? You aren't. HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 21, 2014 If that's the case, why is Obama concerned at all? I mean, he froze non-existent U.S. bank accounts of some Putin cronies to show Putin what a tough guy he is and how much we care about Crimea. It would seem that if we have no stake in world affairs we wouldn't give two rips about anything Putin does. It's not our problem after all. You seem rather stuck on this "non-existent bank account" thing. Someone else used to always do that. BTW...you realize more has been done than that right? Cue asking for a link next I bet... Predictble as ever... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 21, 2014 Much dicier situation. Total world nuclear war in play............and yet JFK called their bluff. And here you are saying 'I guess your stance is to threaten a lunatic, who has nukes,'. Last time I checked the lunatic in charge of the USSR had nukes back then. You are taking a huge beating here, Crackattack. I suggest you put down the keyboard and hit the crack pipe some more. HE really isn't taking a beating. You are going around and around in your little semantic arguments trying to back him in a corner because of how bad everyone has destroyed you on this topic. All because the only thing you can do is whine about how Obama went about things while not really giving any opinion yourself except to agree with Moz...meaning, you would have actually threatened military action...knowing we won't get into any military action on their ground. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 21, 2014 Bingo Just like your alias pal...you parse a quote taking all the meaning out of it. Pathetic and predictable just like him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 21, 2014 Fox news reporting sanctions Obama implemented starting to affect Russian economy. No link, just heard it on tv. but...but...all they did was freeze non-existent accounts according to rp...I mean googlyballsonhischin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted March 21, 2014 but...but...all they did was freeze non-existent accounts according to rp...I mean googlyballsonhischin. He has nothing but the military action comment. I still think some of it could be sensing weekness due to Bush's lack of action. Not saying this is Bush's fault or doing because Bush wouldn't have been able to do anything besides sanctions either. I think it's highly plausible Putin figured he did it once with no repercussions from the west, so why not do it again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted March 21, 2014 Fox news reporting US preparing to do military exercises in Poland. Fox news reporting it's obvious we will not fight in Ukraine or Crimea. I guess military preparedness is not off the table. Fox news reportin 20 key russian people sanctioned, Russian banks sanctioned, Russian stock market falling while US stock market raises on news of sanctions. Not sure what else people expect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted March 21, 2014 Ok worms. I asked googballz the same question. Why is this European/Russian situation our problem? Like I said earlier. If the EU wont band together to stop the aggression of Russia, then why should we worry. This is their backyard not ours. If Crimea goes back to Russia and stays with Russia. What affect does this have on America/Americans and our way of life, and our intrest/allies in Europe? This link explains it pretty well: http://www.businessinsider.com/why-ukraine-is-so-important-2014-1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted March 21, 2014 Putin is backing off like a pvssy today. Not on Crimea annexation but on the sanctions. Some in Russia want Russia to respond with more "sanctions" of their own but Putin knows that is a battle they will never win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crackattack 520 Posted March 21, 2014 That article didn't convince me that this is a US problem. I'm sorry, but I'm sick of having to stick our nose everywhere. If it's truly a dire problem then the EU/ other nato coutries need/better step up their game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted March 21, 2014 KHERSON, UKRAINE – As Ukraine appears to have all but conceded Crimea to Moscow, Ukranians in Kherson, the province just north of the peninsula, are believed to be pushing a secession vote of their own in what a local leader angrily denounced as "treason." The province has a huge Russian speaking population, and a vote - particularly with politicking from Russia - could go against Kiev as did last Sunday’s referendum in Crimea. In addition to a major push from ethnic Russian politicians, the proposal in Kherson could be boosted by the presence of Russian soldiers, pro-Moscow protesters and the kind of propaganda Ukraine accused Moscow of engaging in before the Crimea vote. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/21/new-ukraine-province-in-play-as-ethnic-russians-push-new-secession-referendum/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted March 21, 2014 KHERSON, UKRAINE – As Ukraine appears to have all but conceded Crimea to Moscow, Ukranians in Kherson, the province just north of the peninsula, are believed to be pushing a secession vote of their own in what a local leader angrily denounced as "treason." The province has a huge Russian speaking population, and a vote - particularly with politicking from Russia - could go against Kiev as did last Sunday’s referendum in Crimea. In addition to a major push from ethnic Russian politicians, the proposal in Kherson could be boosted by the presence of Russian soldiers, pro-Moscow protesters and the kind of propaganda Ukraine accused Moscow of engaging in before the Crimea vote. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/21/new-ukraine-province-in-play-as-ethnic-russians-push-new-secession-referendum/ It's starting up in Estonia as well. They are going to fall right after Ukraine gets gobbled up. Or maybe at the same time. Putin's big ambitious goal was to build up the old gang, put together the Soviet bloc. With Ukraine leaving to go with Europe, that was never going to happen. So, he had to get rough. He needs to fulfill his dream. Nobody is going to stop him. Sanctions? We talking sanctions? He's going to add the economies of a bunch of countries and strip them of everything of value. Like a hostile takeover, taking apart a company, selling off it's parts, and turning a tidy profit. He's going to make a bundle. Sanctions? We don't need so stinkin' sanctions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 21, 2014 It's starting up in Estonia as well. They are going to fall right after Ukraine gets gobbled up. Or maybe at the same time. Putin's big ambitious goal was to build up the old gang, put together the Soviet bloc. With Ukraine leaving to go with Europe, that was never going to happen. So, he had to get rough. He needs to fulfill his dream. Nobody is going to stop him. Sanctions? We talking sanctions? He's going to add the economies of a bunch of countries and strip them of everything of value. Like a hostile takeover, taking apart a company, selling off it's parts, and turning a tidy profit. He's going to make a bundle. Sanctions? We don't need so stinkin' sanctions. So, what do you propose? Nice long drawn out land war over there? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted March 21, 2014 So, what do you propose? Nice long drawn out land war over there? It's too late for anything. Russia is in perfect position to reclaim all of Eastern Europe again. The scary thing is that if Russia and China pulled their resources together, they could take over every country in Europe and Asia within a couple of months with the possible exceptions of the United Kingdom and maybe India because there are just too many people. Everybody else is done. America just sits back and watches, helpless and pathetic. At which point our economy collapses and anarchy takes over. And that's when people like me will rule the day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 21, 2014 It's too late for anything. Russia is in perfect position to reclaim all of Eastern Europe again. The scary thing is that if Russia and China pulled their resources together, they could take over every country in Europe and Asia within a couple of months with the possible exceptions of the United Kingdom and maybe India because there are just too many people. Everybody else is done. America just sits back and watches, helpless and pathetic. At which point our economy collapses and anarchy takes over. And that's when people like me will rule the day. You won't rule crap. You would be too busy complaining about it all and still running with your over the top schtick trying to get people to hate you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phillybear 366 Posted March 21, 2014 You won't rule crap. You would be too busy complaining about it all and still running with your over the top schtick trying to get people to hate you. I look forward to putting my training, skills, and supplies to the test in any and all end of the world scenarios. I'm PhillyBear Grylls. With the exception of a nuke falling on my head. Can't do anything for that. Maybe a helmet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sho Nuff 720 Posted March 21, 2014 I look forward to putting my training, skills, and supplies to the test in any and all end of the world scenarios. I'm PhillyBear Grylls. With the exception of a nuke falling on my head. Can't do anything for that. Maybe a helmet. Youd be toast withing 10 days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted March 21, 2014 So, what do you propose? Nice long drawn out land war over there? BHO has always had a problem making a tough decisions. This should have been dealt with in Nov / Dec 2013. He is always a dollar short and a day late. When protests in Ukraine grew and violence ensued, it was surely evident to people in the intelligence community and to the White House that President Putin might try to take advantage of the situation to capture Crimea, or more. That was the time to talk with our global allies about punishments and sanctions, to secure their solidarity, and to communicate these to the Russian president. These steps, plus assurances that we would not exclude Russia from its base in Sevastopol or threaten its influence in Kiev, might have dissuaded him from invasion. Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/18/romney-obama-failed-act-russia-when-action-was-pos/#ixzz2wSFIPZ74 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites