himmystyles 29 Posted September 24, 2015 Seems like a risky play in ppr- anyone starting him? They don't have much else, and after whst he's done you would think they would have him running more high percentage routes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 1,652 Posted September 24, 2015 These types of guys never last. I dont know that i have seen a scrawnier receiver in the NFL than Benjamin. These guys dont even work with Good qbs, let alone a Browns qb. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
R8RMick 242 Posted September 24, 2015 Lester Hayes after Super Bowl XVIII- "Smurfs. Ha ha ha ha ha..." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,514 Posted September 24, 2015 If you need a good fill in guy yeah I would roll with him , and I like his match up this week . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the_future420 3 Posted September 24, 2015 The only way I would feel comfortable starting him is if I was in a return yardage league. Need to see at least one week where he gets a decent amount of targets first Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maulers1973 117 Posted September 24, 2015 Fools gold. Dude has rocks for hands. He can catch those long bomb floaters of Johnny Football, but a lazer from 20 yards is hitting the turf EVERY time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,514 Posted September 24, 2015 That's ok with me , when he does catch one it goes for a lot of yards and tds = points . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maulers1973 117 Posted September 24, 2015 That's ok with me , when he does catch one it goes for a lot of yards and tds = points . Except that in Week 3, Mccown is starting and not "heave it up for grabs Johnny". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JtmoneyJag 25 Posted September 24, 2015 We shall see. I did pick him up in my return yards league. He has been making big plays. Hope to see it continue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
American Chewy 98 Posted September 24, 2015 this years antone smith. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,514 Posted September 24, 2015 Except that in Week 3, Mccown is starting and not "heave it up for grabs Johnny". Yea I just saw that , now that does hurt . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
giraldi02 470 Posted September 25, 2015 Yea I just saw that , now that does hurt . How so? McCown has always had one of the best ratings as a deep ball passer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,514 Posted September 25, 2015 How so? McCown has always had one of the best ratings as a deep ball passer What is his deep ball passer rating ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
megatron's mom 6 Posted September 25, 2015 What is his deep ball passer rating ? Balls deep passer rating??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted September 25, 2015 What is his deep ball passer rating ? 2013-14, McCown did this: Josh McCown 69 / 24 / 849 / 8 / 2 / 34.8% / 12.3 That's Att/Comp/Yds/TD/INT/Comp Perc/Yds Per Attempt, according to BleacherReport here: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2491902-aaron-rodgers-big-ben-orjay-cutler-ranking-the-nfls-best-deep-passers That percentage actually puts him 15th on the list from that article, under Brees, Peyton, Rodgers, Ben, Russell, Cutler, Rivers, Romo, Ryan, Foles, Glennon, Cassel, Fitz, and Hoyer. NFL average for a 16 game span during that time: NFL Average (16 games) 133 / 45 / 1540 / 11.4 / 8.9 / 33.6% / 11.6 Looks like McCown is an above average deep ball passer. One of the best? Not according to that data. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,514 Posted September 25, 2015 Glennon was the qb that was better than Mcown with the Bucs , so why I think Johnny football is better for Benjamin stats is when things break down Johnny football can scramble around and that's when Benjamin speed get him open . I don't think a straight back passer like Mccown who now seems to be a avg deep ball passer helps Benjamin's game . Thank you Brotherbock for the info . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted September 25, 2015 Glennon was the qb that was better than Mcown with the Bucs , so why I think Johnny football is better for Benjamin stats is when things break down Johnny football can scramble around and that's when Benjamin speed get him open . I don't think a straight back passer like Mccown who now seems to be a avg deep ball passer helps Benjamin's game . Thank you Brotherbock for the info . No prob I'm almost totally Jimmy Foozball neutral, but I think that's some good reasoning. And one of those bombs from him to Benjamin last week was in fact a really beautiful pass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
giraldi02 470 Posted September 26, 2015 What is his deep ball passer rating ? Here's some reading material for you : http://rotoviz.com/2015/07/throws-sexy-deep-ball/ https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/05/29/qbs-in-focus-deep-passing-2/ Here's some reading and some visual for you: http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2015/3/4/8129431/josh-mccown-part-one McCown led the Browns on a 90 yard drive against the Jets in which he scrambled for 23 yards on three carries. Granted he fumbled, but go back and watch that drive. The very first pass of the game should've been a huge gain if the tight end doesn't drop it. McCown can play if he gets time. And he's facing a Raiders team that has given up the most passing plays over 20 yards in the NFL. WPIAFP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Football Guru 214 Posted September 26, 2015 Benjamin ran exactly nine pass routes last week, so there's a high chance he is fool's gold. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 2,514 Posted September 26, 2015 Benjamin ran exactly nine pass routes last week, so there's a high chance he is fool's gold. Yeah but he is scoring points , and week to week that's all that matters . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
American Chewy 98 Posted September 26, 2015 Big Brown's homer bid a ton of points on him (no one else bid a single dollar) and is starting him against me this week so I expect another huge week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brotherbock 349 Posted September 26, 2015 Here's some reading material for you : http://rotoviz.com/2015/07/throws-sexy-deep-ball/ https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/05/29/qbs-in-focus-deep-passing-2/ Here's some reading and some visual for you: http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2015/3/4/8129431/josh-mccown-part-one McCown led the Browns on a 90 yard drive against the Jets in which he scrambled for 23 yards on three carries. Granted he fumbled, but go back and watch that drive. The very first pass of the game should've been a huge gain if the tight end doesn't drop it. McCown can play if he gets time. And he's facing a Raiders team that has given up the most passing plays over 20 yards in the NFL. WPIAFP Ooh, good stuff. That first chart from Rotoviz shows McCown at below average Catchable Pass Rate--his was 39.3%, NFL average was 39.9%, although granted with the highest percentage of Deep Targets. Overall, for the receiver from a fantasy perspective, that would be better than average--high volume with right around, just barely below, average catchability. The problem there is that it's still the deep ball. PPR this guy won't be great, and deep ball odds aren't very good anyway. 39.3% are *catchable*, not *caught*. The second chart was better looking for him, but the places he really leads there are primarily in the sheer volume of deep passes he was throwing--no surprise, given how bad they were last year--and in 40+ yard passes. Which accounted for only 2.7% of all his passes. That's in the 1 pass per game range. So even where he shines, it's not enough to get me excited about owning his deep ball receiver. I'll admit, those stats make him look, not great, but better than I thought he was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
