What if it's found that Trump did help the Russians

[Reality 3,116]

This house of cards is collapsing in plain sight, should be interesting to watch.

 

Lights on and the roaches are beginning to scatter, ugly.

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Wow, way to ignore my questions. I mean, you didn't even address my question about the Democrats, and only tangentially answered my questions about Hitlery. As far as the Republican goes, AFAIK he only had them doing research. I haven't heard that he is connected to the Dossier. Link?

 

I didn't mean to ignore your questions, I will take another look.

 

No the GOP candidate would not have been connected to the dossier. But I take it that the outcome of the work don for the GOP means that Fusion could do good, appropriate, needed work when called upon.

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Ok aside from various details there.... you're saying the GOP and the DNC are in this together then?

No, not really; the assertion is too broad - but I can't explain what I really mean unless I give you some detail.

 

There are members of both parties who are not privy, and not involved. They're the idealists. Some - dependent upon what characteristics they display once elected - are drafted into this effort.

 

I'm saying that leadership in both parties is complicit, and other high-ranking members, and I'm also saying that the real discreants - those who have engaged in something illegal - appear to be nearly exclusively Democrat this time around. I think this globalist ideology is collectivist at its core, and as such finds much more commonality in the Left than it does the Right.

 

This infiltration into both parties explains why the DEMs have moved harshly left - the battle between Progressives and Blue Dogs is over, in favor of Progressives - and why, simultaneously, the GOP has also moved left - having waged their own battle (TEA Party v moderates) as a consequence of people who campaign conservative but are actually even more liberal than moderates continue to fool voters.

 

People like John McCain and Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan. These are Bob Dole tax and spend moderates, and they shunt real conservativism - fiscal mainly - at every turn.

 

This is a globalist/control thing. The existence of the US represents - as it often has, historically - the single largest force in opposition to tyranny. Co-opting it has long been an agenda of America haters. Of collectivists (communists, socialists, fascists, etc). There is nothing more tyrannical than globalism: it is literally 'one-world government'.

 

No refuge. No 'shining beacon on the hill' for 'tired and hungry masses'.

 

I believe Trump's rise to the Presidency took place for one major reason: millions of people who believe something similar to what I believe have reacted to this encroaching threat to our sovereignty; to our freedoms. It's clear that this agenda is increasing in its brazenness and pace. 'Drain the Swamp' is the sloganed representation of the belief of opposition to this threat. People like me believe that our Government is being corrupted to tighten the net of control over our population; to grant access to our way of life by forces interested in overturning it, and that means the need to create chaos and unrest as a way to increase Government power. There are many facets to this effort, including continuing the decades long effort to condition Americans to believe that removing guns from private hands is in our best interest; to believe that it is immoral to in any way restrict the nature of people emigrating to America; to think that 'the rich' don't pay enough while the poor are victims. Creating special interest victims groups has been part of that effort to divide and conquer (all to increase the breadth of power of Government), and thus the ability of these 'Establishment' people to actually call all the shots, and render voting more of a symbolic exercise of freedom than an actual mechanism to ensure it.

 

Naturally, collectivists will oppose what I'm saying; they're invested in this idyllic notion of Utopia.

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I didn't mean to ignore your questions, I will take another look.

 

No the GOP candidate would not have been connected to the dossier. But I take it that the outcome of the work don for the GOP means that Fusion could do good, appropriate, needed work when called upon.

 

I don't know what the point of this comment is. No one is saying Fusion GPS can't do good work or even that it's a problem that Hitlery/Dems hired them. I think I made that clear in my first post to you. However, when they use the Dossier to roast Trump without acknowledging that they funded it that's a problem. Why won't you acknowledge that?

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I just want to be sure I answer your questions.

 

 

 

Simple. No one is blaming a candidate for trying to dig up dirt on their opponent. But apparently the GOP person quit after Trump won the nomination. That makes sense. But then Hitlery and the Dems continued funding the research. So be it. Same argument. Can't complain about that. But then they had this report made and it somehow ended up being used by the government to help justify their investigation of Trump. The Dems and Hitlery touted it as being some smoking gun WITHOUT revealing that they had financed it. That's where the problem lies. Don't you think the Dems and Hitlery were obligated to acknowledge their role in the creation of the report? ...

 

 

Well it's been known since May that the Hillary campaign took over the project from the GOP candidate.

 

Now we know Elias actually commissioned it. As I alluded to in my prior answer I think yes it's possible the Hillary campaign is being cute in their response in that they don't consider Elias part of "the campaign."

 

Now Hitlery even says she didn't know she helped finance it. Do you actually believe that?

 

I also think I answered that one. - It's possible, but not likely. Otoh I think that Hillary as former SOS probably had general awareness of Trump's past Russian contacts stretching over 30 years, and for that matter I'm guessing the GOP candidate who initiated the project did as well. It seems to me to be a natural part of why the project was started in the first place.

 

But should Hillary herself be required to acknowledge if she knew of it and personally ordered it? No, I don't think so. First of all it doesn't matter in that the dossier is not proof of anything. Secondly Mueller is investigating this thing down to the bolts so I think he will nail down every detail of how the dossier came to be commissioned.

 

However again, the dossier itself is proof of nothing.

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I don't know what the point of this comment is. No one is saying Fusion GPS can't do good work or even that it's a problem that Hitlery/Dems hired them. I think I made that clear in my first post to you. However, when they use the Dossier to roast Trump without acknowledging that they funded it that's a problem. Why won't you acknowledge that?

 

I think I've tried to twice.

 

If we know that they funded it, why is it necessary that they acknowledge it? They helped pay for it, period. That's been known since at least May.

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I think I've tried to twice.

 

If we know that they funded it, why is it necessary that they acknowledge it? They helped pay for it, period. That's been known since at least May.

it's the law?

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I think I've tried to twice.

 

If we know that they funded it, why is it necessary that they acknowledge it? They helped pay for it, period. That's been known since at least May.

 

NM.

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it's the law?

 

Yes and the FBI and Mueller are the investigators. That's their job. When Hillary answers it will be to them.

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NM.

 

 

 

In September 2015, as the Republican primary campaign was heating up, he was hired to compile an opposition-research dossier on Donald Trump. Who wrote the check? Simpson, always secretive, won’t reveal his client’s identity. However, according to a friend who had spoken with Simpson at the time, the funding came from a “Never Trump” Republican and not directly from the campaign war chests of any of Trump’s primary opponents.

 

...So he found Democratic donors whose checks would keep his oppo research going strong.

 

 

- April, 2017.

 

- That would be Marc Elias.

[SaintsInDome2006 419]

Ok so you've known this since April. Right? But you care, now?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

The Republican who hired GPS was trying to get valid dirt on Trump. What he wasn't doing was funding a bunch of rumors and innuendos from the hands of Russians who want to remain anonymous. He left that up to Hillary and the DNC.

 

There is so much more to this and it will have government ties.

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Somewhere podesta testified he did not know where the funding for the dossier came from with Elias sitting right next to him.

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The Republican who hired GPS was trying to get valid dirt on Trump. What he wasn't doing was funding a bunch of rumors and innuendos from the hands of Russians who want to remain anonymous. He left that up to Hillary and the DNC.

 

There is so much more to this and it will have government ties.

You don't think the GOP candidate was researching Trump's Russian connections at all?

 

Hillary's campaign took over that project.

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Somewhere podesta testified he did not know where the funding for the dossier came from with Elias sitting right next to him.

 

Podesta testified?

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

Podesta testified?

Heard it on Rush Limbaugh's show today.

 

Criminal if there's proof he knew/authorized it.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

I'm just asking you when did Podesta testify?

I don't know that's just what I heard on the show today.

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I don't know that's just what I heard on the show today.

 

He did testify in June.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

http://www.wnd.com/2017/10/did-podesta-wasserman-schultz-perjure-themselves-to-congress/

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Yep so podesta should be one of the dominoes to fall for perjury as well as Wasserman Schultz.

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http://www.wnd.com/2017/10/did-podesta-wasserman-schultz-perjure-themselves-to-congress/

 

It's in the CNN report:

 

 

Podesta was asked in his September interview whether the Clinton campaign had a contractual agreement with Fusion GPS, and he said he was not aware of one, according to one of the sources.

Sitting next to Podesta during the interview: his attorney Marc Elias, who worked for the law firm that hired Fusion GPS to continue research on Trump on behalf of the Clinton campaign and DNC, multiple sources said. Elias was only there in his capacity as Podesta's attorney and not as a witness.

 

 

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This is the letter from Elias' law firm.

 

- It's described as a continuation of work that had already been underway.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Again the hiring of Christopher Steele came after Hillary and the DNC started paying for it. Dossier is 100% Democratic funded unless another bombshell indicates the FBI and or Russians helped pay for it.

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Again the hiring of Christopher Steele came after Hillary and the DNC started paying for it. Dossier is 100% Democratic funded unless another bombshell indicates the FBI and or Russians helped pay for it.

 

That's actually not what has been reported. Per Elias' law firm it was to:

 

continue research regarding then presidential candidate Donald Trump, research that Fusion GPS had conducted for one or more other clients during the Republican primary contest.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

Okay man....I know it's been reported Steele was hired AFTER HRC/DNC hired Fusion. There could be possible lying going on by Elias right?

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Okay man....I know it's been reported Steele was hired AFTER HRC/DNC hired Fusion. There could be possible lying going on by Elias right?

 

Yes of course that's possible.

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First: As regards the thread title - Trump is CURRENTLY ACTIVELY helping the Russians by refusing to enact the Congressionally approved sanctions against Russia. It's not theoretical - it's happening RIGHT NOW. There's no debate. The DNC "Whataboutism" is exactly that - But doesn't change the facts at hand right now.

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Remember that meeting with the Russians and TrumpCo that "never happened"?
- Until it was proven that it DID happen.

 

THEN it was just DonJr and one other person?
- Until it was prove?n there were a bunch of TrumpCo's TOP campaign staffers there?

 

But But, it was just 'puffery' - they ended up talking about 'meaningless' Russian Adoption law?"
- Until it was proven that no, no they didn't. They talked about some pretty 'meaningful' stuff. - - INCLUDING asking for HRC emails. And information to skew the election for Trump.

- But but, there was no Collusion to skew the election. Except there indeed was.

 

But But - These were just INDIVIDUALS - NOT Connected to Putin.

OH SNAP! Breaking news tonight: Turns out, the Russian Lawyer Chick was in repeated lengthy pre-briefing meetings with Putin's own hand-picked Prosecutor.

 

AND - WAIT FOR IT! - Despite the fact that Congress has passed significant restrictions upon Russia for meddling - Trump is currently refusing to enact those sanctions.
- Which is exactly what Russia was trying to get in exchange for dirty on HRC.
- But but there was no "tit for tat"!
- Until there obviously was as Trump steadfastly refuses to enact legally imposed sanctions.

 

SOooo.... If Don Jr repeats under oath the false crap that he's stated on camera to Fox to Congress Under Oath? MAJOR Perjury immediately without any further investigation needed.

[drobeski 3,061]

It's over bud, onions being peeled, cats out of the bag.

You lost, you're losing again.

Go get a drink, socialize, move on. It's only going to get uglier and you aren't going to like it or handle the truth well.

HTH

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A link to this article needs to be here as well:

 

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/27/kimberley-strassel-fusion-gps-bombshells-have-just-begun-to-drop.html

 

Bombshells. About to drop. One after the other.

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...

 

I believe Trump's rise to the Presidency took place for one major reason: millions of people who believe something similar to what I believe have reacted to this encroaching threat to our sovereignty; to our freedoms. It's clear that this agenda is increasing in its brazenness and pace. 'Drain the Swamp' is the sloganed representation of the belief of opposition to this threat. People like me believe that our Government is being corrupted to tighten the net of control over our population; to grant access to our way of life by forces interested in overturning it, and that means the need to create chaos and unrest as a way to increase Government power. There are many facets to this effort, including continuing the decades long effort to condition Americans to believe that removing guns from private hands is in our best interest; to believe that it is immoral to in any way restrict the nature of people emigrating to America; to think that 'the rich' don't pay enough while the poor are victims. Creating special interest victims groups has been part of that effort to divide and conquer (all to increase the breadth of power of Government), and thus the ability of these 'Establishment' people to actually call all the shots, and render voting more of a symbolic exercise of freedom than an actual mechanism to ensure it.

 

...

 

I think you've got the right idea but the wrong guy to carry it.

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I think you've got the right idea but the wrong guy to carry it.

I wasn't given another choice, and given the alternatives, it is the right guy.

[SaintsInDome2006 419]

Guys this seems IMPORTANT.

[wiffleball 4,788]

SEALED INDICTMENT FILED.

 

SOMEONE COULD BE iN JAIL BY MONDAY.

 

nothing to this, huh Don?

 

 

Betcha it's Manfart

[IMMensaMind 462]

Bombshells. One after another.

[SaintsInDome2006 419]

Wait til Fusion GPS' bank records come out. They're only implicating DNC/Hillary as sacrificial lambs. Sure, they were in on it but what if FBI paid Fusion GPS as well. What if Russians paid into that pot?

...

 

The part that confuses me here is why would Hillary hire a lifelong, career Russian spy hunter who used to lead the Russian bureau at MI6?

 

And why would the Russians play along with that?

 

And why wouldn't the Russians just do it for free? Lies cost nothing.

[Filthy Fernadez 2,696]

 

The part that confuses me here is why would Hillary hire a lifelong, career Russian spy hunter who used to lead the Russian bureau at MI6?

 

And why would the Russians play along with that?

 

And why wouldn't the Russians just do it for free? Lies cost nothing.

 

Fusion GPS hired him, not Hillary. I believe they may have used him before.

 

Who knows why the Russians played along with it. Maybe Steele paid the Russians (highly likely) for the information. I think that's the biggest reason Podesta and HRC are disavowing this. That's straight up collusion there.

[SaintsInDome2006 419]

 

Fusion GPS hired him, not Hillary. I believe they may have used him before.

 

Who knows why the Russians played along with it. Maybe Steele paid the Russians (highly likely) for the information. I think that's the biggest reason Podesta and HRC are disavowing this. That's straight up collusion there.

Why would a guy who spent a lifetime defending his country and allies including the US from Russian spies turn around and then pay Russian spies to craft lies about the possible future president of his country's most important ally? Makes zero sense.

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Why would a guy who spent a lifetime defending his country and allies including the US from Russian spies turn around and then pay Russian spies to craft lies about the possible future president of his country's most important ally? Makes zero sense.

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[SaintsInDome2006 419]

MANAFORT HAS BEEN INDICTED.

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The man is definition of loyalty to country. Look at his career.