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No but what it supports is that all these people who will lose health at when Obamacare is removed actually is a false narrative

I appreciated the link - it was an interesting stat.

 

My reply would be, do you really want to subsidize the HC costs of 20+ million people who voluntarily forgo insurance? These people are still going to get treated in the ER when it all goes south and we're all paying for it.

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I appreciated the link - it was an interesting stat.

 

My reply would be, do you really want to subsidize the HC costs of 20+ million people who voluntarily forgo insurance? These people are still going to get treated in the ER when it all goes south and we're all paying for it.

 

honestly I dont know the solution, I know its not Obamacare, I know its not the Trumpcare version that kept 97% of Obamacare in place, and I know Medicare for all (Cenk Uygur theory) isnt going to work either

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honestly I dont know the solution, I know its not Obamacare, I know its not the Trumpcare version that kept 97% of Obamacare in place, and I know Medicare for all (Cenk Uygur theory) isnt going to work either

Why not some form of single payer? We pay the highest healthcare costs of any nation and they're still going up at an unsustainable rate with or without the ACA.

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Why not some form of single payer? We pay the highest healthcare costs of any nation and they're still going up at an unsustainable rate with or without the ACA.

 

because I believe very strongly in capitalism, and I truly believe that with a single payer and no competition, that rates will be self set by the government isnt a good thing. Living in California, I dont trust them to do anything right with my money

 

we are also the only country that pay for illegals to have medical coverage

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because I believe very strongly in capitalism, and I truly believe that with a single payer and no competition, that rates will be self set by the government isnt a good thing. Living in California, I dont trust them to do anything right with my money

 

we are also the only country that pay for illegals to have medical coverage

Capitalism has led to 10% annual premium increases and a healthcare system that almost nobody can afford on the free market, but you don't like single payer cause Murica.

 

We are focked.

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because I believe very strongly in capitalism, and I truly believe that with a single payer and no competition, that rates will be self set by the government isnt a good thing. Living in California, I dont trust them to do anything right with my money

 

we are also the only country that pay for illegals to have medical coverage

 

A Free-market health-care system fundamentally based on insurance payments, doesn’t follow the usual rules of economics. Prices are not readily available upfront and patients lack the knowledge to evaluate complex diagnosis's with many constantly changing variables, quality of care, etc. etc. It's not like buying a car, where I can look at the same Toyota at two different dealerships and buy the one that is cheaper. Once you arrive at that basic conclusion, you will understand why every single other first world country has some sort of single payer/universal healthcare system.

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Capitalism has led to 10% annual premium increases and a healthcare system that almost nobody can afford on the free market, but you don't like single payer cause Murica.

 

We are focked.

 

no I just live in a state that promised the lottery would fix our schools, the lottery would help with infrastructure

 

we just had our DMV registration raised 29% and gas taxes raised another 13cents on the gallon, to help pay for infrastructure (11% of money collected goes to that, and 75% goes into govt coffers as a managing agency)

 

again I dont have a solution on healthcare, but healthcare in socialist countries has been horrible as well, but it somewhat works cause they dont have to pay for a military to protect every other country in the free world

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we are also the only country that pay for illegals to have medical coverage

 

Who pays for the illegals medical in those other countries? Do they just turn immigrants away at the emergency room because they don't have proof of citizenship? I'm sure that can't be the case and I'm sure the government foots the bill for that in those countries.

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Capitalism has led to 10% annual premium increases and a healthcare system that almost nobody can afford on the free market, but you don't like single payer cause Murica.

 

We are focked.

 

If you think that our health care system as currently constructed (before or after the ACA) is a free market system you are woefully uninformed. Like, Slo Nuff uninformed.

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because I believe very strongly in capitalism, and I truly believe that with a single payer and no competition, that rates will be self set by the government isnt a good thing. Living in California, I dont trust them to do anything right with my money

 

we are also the only country that pay for illegals to have medical coverage

I like the free market too but the thing is, if people can't afford it they don't get it. That's how the free market works. Which is fine for most things but not healthcare, not unless you're willing to let people go untreated and/or die simply because they can't afford insurance and/or deductibles and co-pays.

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If you think that our health care system as currently constructed (before or after the ACA) is a free market system you are woefully uninformed. Like, Slo Nuff uninformed.

We could quibble about what is or is not a "free market" all day. Government regulation isn't why our system sucks and neither is the ACA. It's time to look at another model.

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Who pays for the illegals medical in those other countries? Do they just turn immigrants away at the emergency room because they don't have proof of citizenship? I'm sure that can't be the case and I'm sure the government foots the bill for that in those countries.

 

these turn them away at the boarders, the ones that do get sick, will get treated then deported

 

do the same here, no problem

 

you will goto jail for being illegal in Mexico from another central american country, and then deported if you make it back alive