SaintsInDome2006 441 Posted February 15, 2018 You made a generalization about "But then the conservatives have either chosen to follow Trump & his nationalism or abandoned the party." and I made a generalization about Democrats (that's actually much more accurate than yours). Regardless of what you think, I am a conservative and don't mind saying things are wrong regardless of what it means to my party because I'm NOT a Republican; I'm a Conservative. Why you guys on the left STILL refuse to condemn the behavior by the FBI/DOJ under the Obama administration is beyond me. You guys act as if it diminishes you somehow. As I've told my kids "Saying I was wrong or I'm sorry doesn't cost you anything except pride". Because conservatives support law enforcement, including the FBI & IC and their independence. Far left marxists think they're trying to illegally oppress the people and nationalists think they must bow to the authority of the president. What I see here is some weird mix of the two. And family values also matter to conservatives, but you keep avoiding that point in what is plainly a thread about Stormy Daniels. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,510 Posted February 15, 2018 If you believed the Russian collusion nonsense, you would have to believe Putin preferred Trump over Hillary. That never made sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 15, 2018 Because conservatives support law enforcement, including the FBI & IC and their independence. Far left marxists think they're trying to illegally oppress the people and nationalists think they must bow to the authority of the president. What I see here is some weird mix of the two. And family values also matter to conservatives, but you keep avoiding that point in what is plainly a thread about Stormy Daniels. Again, you're making generalizations based on your opinion. As a Conservative, I support the Rule of Law and that was broken by the previous administration to the point where they tried to subvert the entire election process both pre and post election. It's those crimes that I want to see punished and me calling for criminals to be prosecuted is NOT being far left marxist (or anti-law enforcement). It's the opposite; I support Law Enforcement and by that I mean Enforce the Law. I do support family values and if Trump bedded a pr0n star years ago that means what to me or the country now? He's following (for the most part) what he said he would do in office and that's what means something to me. I did not vote for this man based on his fidelity to his wife; I voted for him because he was the best option for my country and still is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 441 Posted February 15, 2018 If you believed the Russian collusion nonsense, you would have to believe Putin preferred Trump over Hillary. That never made sense. It's a Stormy Daniels thread. Do you think Donald Trump would have an affair with a woman who is paid to do every sex act in the book, and later he would try to cover it up by paying her so people wouldn't find out about it? Does that seem like something he would do? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kanil 520 Posted February 15, 2018 If you believed the Russian collusion nonsense, you would have to believe Putin preferred Trump over Hillary. That never made sense. Wrong thread. This thread is about the Stormy Daniels story. Not Putin, not Hillary, not Russian collusion. Lots of people in here deflecting and trying to change the topic. If you don't want to talk about Stormy Daniels, don't post in this thread. If you want to talk about any of these other things, take it to the countless other threads about it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,510 Posted February 15, 2018 It's a Stormy Daniels thread. Do you think Donald Trump would have an affair with a woman who is paid to do every sex act in the book, and later he would try to cover it up by paying her so people wouldn't find out about it? Does that seem like something he would do? Yup. Seems like something I would do too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 441 Posted February 15, 2018 Again, you're making generalizations based on your opinion. As a Conservative, I support the Rule of Law and that was broken by the previous administration to the point where they tried to subvert the entire election process both pre and post election. It's those crimes that I want to see punished and me calling for criminals to be prosecuted is NOT being far left marxist (or anti-law enforcement). It's the opposite; I support Law Enforcement and by that I mean Enforce the Law. I do support family values and if Trump bedded a pr0n star years ago that means what to me or the country now? He's following (for the most part) what he said he would do in office and that's what means something to me. I did not vote for this man based on his fidelity to his wife; I voted for him because he was the best option for my country and still is. Because he's been lying about it. He paid her to not talk about it, then he sent his personal lawyer to go out and lie about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 15, 2018 It's a Stormy Daniels thread. Do you think Donald Trump would have an affair with a woman who is paid to do every sex act in the book, and later he would try to cover it up by paying her so people wouldn't find out about it? Does that seem like something he would do? So you'll wait to condemn the Obama DOJ/FBI colluding with a foreign agent and the Democrats despite the overwhelming evidence but you'll climb right aboard the Stormy Express if it's against Trump? Got it............ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 441 Posted February 15, 2018 Yup. Seems like something I would do too. Great thanks for the response. I do too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 441 Posted February 15, 2018 So you'll wait to condemn the Obama DOJ/FBI colluding with a foreign agent and the Democrats despite the overwhelming evidence but you'll climb right aboard the Stormy Express if it's against Trump? Got it............ Honestly that's a fair point. But we do know that Cohen has admitted to paying her. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 15, 2018 Honestly that's a fair point. But we do know that Cohen has admitted to paying her. For.................what? What did Obama pay Perkins Coie nearly $1,000,000 for around the time Perkins Coie funneled money to fund the Dossier creation? Speculation plain and simple. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,510 Posted February 15, 2018 Honestly that's a fair point. But we do know that Cohen has admitted to paying her. Was there a law broken here? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 441 Posted February 15, 2018 For.................what? What did Obama pay Perkins Coie nearly $1,000,000 for around the time Perkins Coie funneled money to fund the Dossier creation? Speculation plain and simple. Cohen said that he paid Stormy to be quiet about her affair with Trump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kanil 520 Posted February 15, 2018 For.................what? What did Obama pay Perkins Coie nearly $1,000,000 for around the time Perkins Coie funneled money to fund the Dossier creation? Speculation plain and simple. Filthy - I tend to agree with you on a lot of things politically and even when I don't I respect your viewpoints as they're usually very well thought out. But in this thread you look like a lot of the hacks that I don't respect at all on this board. I have not gone back and looked through it but it seems that in every one of your posts you're giving the, "Ignore the man behind the curtain... look over here at Obama/Russia/FBI/Hillary" treatment. How the does Obama pertain to anything about Stormy Daniels? Did he fock her too? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 15, 2018 Cohen said that he paid Stormy to be quiet about her affair with Trump. Link to his reason why the money was given to her? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 441 Posted February 15, 2018 Was there a law broken here? I have no idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 15, 2018 Filthy - I tend to agree with you on a lot of things politically and even when I don't I respect your viewpoints as they're usually very well thought out. But in this thread you look like a lot of the hacks that I don't respect at all on this board. I have not gone back and looked through it but it seems that in every one of your posts you're giving the, "Ignore the man behind the curtain... look over here at Obama/Russia/FBI/Hillary" treatment. How the ###### does Obama pertain to anything about Stormy Daniels? Did he fock her too? I bring up Obama here because we're 'speculating' what the reason money was paid out for. It's speculated but not proven that he chipped in as well for the creation of the Dossier. I won't go down the road of splitting hairs though about what's proven and what's not. Of course the money given to Stormy was hush money. That a married guy who is a millionaire many times over is trying to hide an indiscretion for one reason or another is immaterial to the present day. I voted for him even after the 'grab them by the _____' comment. Why? Because he was the best option for the country. Given all the corruption leading up to and after the 2016 election, I maintain that he is still. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kanil 520 Posted February 15, 2018 I bring up Obama here because we're 'speculating' what the reason money was paid out for. It's speculated but not proven that he chipped in as well for the creation of the Dossier. I won't go down the road of splitting hairs though about what's proven and what's not. Of course the money given to Stormy was hush money. That a married guy who is a millionaire many times over is trying to hide an indiscretion for one reason or another is immaterial to the present day. I voted for him even after the 'grab them by the _____' comment. Why? Because he was the best option for the country. Given all the corruption leading up to and after the 2016 election, I maintain that he is still. That second part is perfectly fine and what I'm used to seeing from you. Just the other stuff screamed more Senator Rock than Filthy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 15, 2018 That second part is perfectly fine and what I'm used to seeing from you. Just the other stuff screamed more Senator Rock than Filthy. I was drawing a parallel for Saints that it's ironic that he's waiting to pass judgement against the previous administration for crimes however is ready to condemn Trump for lying about bedding a pr0n stars years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 441 Posted February 15, 2018 Link to his reason why the money was given to her? He declined to answer several follow-up questions, including whether Mr. Trump had been aware that Mr. Cohen made the payment, why he made the payment or whether he had made similar payments to other people over the years. - NYT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 441 Posted February 15, 2018 I was drawing a parallel for Saints that it's ironic that he's waiting to pass judgement against the previous administration for crimes however is ready to condemn Trump for lying about bedding a pr0n stars years ago. And I said that was a fair point. However I think the only entity investigating this right now is the FEC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 441 Posted February 15, 2018 ... That a married guy who is a millionaire many times over is trying to hide an indiscretion for one reason or another is immaterial to the present day. I voted for him even after the 'grab them by the _____' comment. Why? Because he was the best option for the country. Given all the corruption leading up to and after the 2016 election, I maintain that he is still. - Just to be clear, this was ongoing in 2016, and again Cohen has been denying it in 2017-18. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 15, 2018 - NYT. Was that link supposed to say he admitted why the money was given to her because it didn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 441 Posted February 15, 2018 Was that link supposed to say he admitted why the money was given to her because it didn't. It's the report on Cohen refusing to say what the reason was. The other link I gave you shows the side letter that went with the NDA. This is what Daniels says the reason for the agreement was: Given what was going on in the final weeks of the campaign, during which Trump was facing a torrent of accusations of sexual abuse, I didn’t think an extramarital affair would be a highly significant story. What interested me more was Daniels’ allegation that Trump had negotiated to buy her silence. Daniels said that, through intermediaries, she and Trump had worked out an agreement for the presidential candidate to pay her a six-figure sum to keep quiet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 441 Posted February 16, 2018 Trump and McDougal began an affair, which McDougal later memorialized in an eight-page, handwritten document provided to The New Yorker by John Crawford, a friend of McDougal’s. When I showed McDougal the document, she expressed surprise that I had obtained it but confirmed that the handwriting was her own. The interactions that McDougal outlines in the document share striking similarities with the stories of other women who claim to have had sexual relationships with Trump, or who have accused him of propositioning them for sex or sexually harassing them. McDougal describes their affair as entirely consensual. But her account provides a detailed look at how Trump and his allies used clandestine hotel-room meetings, payoffs, and complex legal agreements to keep affairs—sometimes multiple affairs he carried out simultaneously—out of the press. On November 4, 2016, four days before the election, the Wall Street Journal reported that American Media, Inc., the publisher of the National Enquirer, had paid a hundred and fifty thousand dollars for exclusive rights to McDougal’s story, which it never ran. Purchasing a story in order to bury it is a practice that many in the tabloid industry call “catch and kill.” This is a favorite tactic of the C.E.O. and chairman of A.M.I., David Pecker, who describes the President as “a personal friend.” - The Karen McDougal story is now out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,510 Posted February 16, 2018 She fockin hot as hell. And Clinton was pulling Monica and Paula. Lol. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,496 Posted February 16, 2018 I dont know why Trump bothers with the payoffs and lies. Everyone knows hes a scumbag anyway, the cover ups are what is going to keep this stuff in the news. The public doesnt get bored with sex scandals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 16, 2018 I dont know why Trump bothers with the payoffs and lies. Everyone knows hes a scumbag anyway, the cover ups are what is going to keep this stuff in the news. The public Left doesnt get bored with sex scandals involving Conservatives. Fixed. You guys looked the other way on the numerous credible rape allegations against Bill. But hey, you guys were okay with Hillary and Obama trying to rig the elections. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 441 Posted February 16, 2018 Fixed. You guys looked the other way on the numerous credible rape allegations against Bill. But hey, you guys were okay with Hillary and Obama trying to rig the elections. YUP. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,496 Posted February 16, 2018 Fixed. You guys looked the other way on the numerous credible rape allegations against Bill. But hey, you guys were okay with Hillary and Obama trying to rig the elections. Stop with your you guys sh1t - I didnt vote for Hillary and I was in HS whenever Bill came to office. I also dont give a fock what Trump does with his cack other than the possibility that these payoffs may have exposed him to bribes etc. And I am asking outright why he even bothered to lie since we have all known what he was like for 30 years now. Don cheats on his wives - it is what he does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 16, 2018 Stop with your you guys sh1t - I didnt vote for Hillary and I was in HS whenever Bill came to office. I also dont give a fock what Trump does with his cack other than the possibility that these payoffs may have exposed him to bribes etc. And I am asking outright why he even bothered to lie since we have all known what he was like for 30 years now. Don cheats on his wives - it is what he does. Please.................you don't care at all about whether anything exposes anyone and that's just a Democrat talking point. It's proven you and others here just want Trump gone and will use ANY focking reason to do so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,496 Posted February 16, 2018 Please.................you don't care at all about whether anything exposes anyone and that's just a Democrat talking point. It's proven you and others here just want Trump gone and will use ANY focking reason to do so. I just said I dont care who Donald focks. Get ahold of yourself Trumptard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted February 16, 2018 I just said I dont care who Donald focks. Get ahold of yourself Trumptard. And I just said you don't care about anything other than trying to get him removed from office. If Obama paid off some male prostitute or Hillary some female one you'd remain quiet. You only feign concern that it could be used against him because it's Trump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,496 Posted February 16, 2018 And I just said you don't care about anything other than trying to get him removed from office. If Obama paid off some male prostitute or Hillary some female one you'd remain quiet. You only feign concern that it could be used against him because it's Trump. I just said I dont care who Don focks. I am legitimately not concerned other than thinking its funny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 441 Posted February 16, 2018 I dont know why Trump bothers with the payoffs and lies. Everyone knows hes a scumbag anyway, the cover ups are what is going to keep this stuff in the news. The public doesnt get bored with sex scandals. Right, it's sort of like the Anthony Weiner thing - the problem here is this isn't in NYTimes and WaPo but ends up in grocery store tabloids and entertainment websites and tv shows that a lot of people not ordinarily interested in politics watch. I'm kind of amazed he's so bad at this, these women are talking anyway. To answer your question, he probably did it because of a likely prenup with Melania and also concerns about the effect on the election. He did the McDougal deal 4 days before the election and the Stormy one a couple weeks before that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 441 Posted March 7, 2018 Porn star Stormy Daniels has sued the President. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/amp/stormy-daniels-sues-trump-says-hush-agreement-invalid-because-he-n854246?__twitter_impression=true Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,510 Posted March 7, 2018 Nobody cares. Cigar in a snatch opened the floodgates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 441 Posted March 7, 2018 Nobody cares. Cigar in a snatch opened the floodgates. Family values is a core test for conservatives. It's ok if it's not a big deal for you, that's not something you believe in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,510 Posted March 7, 2018 Family values is a core test for conservatives. It's ok if it's not a big deal for you, that's not something you believe in. Not anymore. You seem young. Just to let you know, things change in politics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SaintsInDome2006 441 Posted March 7, 2018 Not anymore. You seem young. Just to let you know, things change in politics. Trump has convinced conservatives to stop being conservative, I can't help that, but it's up to individuals and what values they hold. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
