Charlottesville judge rules Confederate statues will stay...

[drobeski 3,061]

11 hours ago, crackattack said:

People defending traitors of the USA . Next up! London puts up statues of Washington, Jefferson, Adams, etc etc. 

So if Obama had a role is trying to illigaly remove a duly elected president,  mr trump, which it appears to be the case...that is treason. 

His library and any item recognizing/portraying him should be torn down. Correct ? 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,792]

2 minutes ago, crackattack said:

Had no clue they would have a statue of Washington. He was a traitor to the English crown . I still think it's dumb to have one of Washington, the rest I can see. So? I stand corrected.

Stand? You got knocked the Fock out,  son. And you're not a traitor if you win. 

[crackattack 513]

1 minute ago, drobeski said:

So if Obama had a role is trying to illigaly remove a duly elected president,  mr trump, which it appears to be the case...that is treason. 

His library and any item recognizing/portraying him should be torn down. Correct ? 

 

Yes

[crackattack 513]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Stand? You got knocked the Fock out,  son. 

Ok . 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

On 9/12/2019 at 3:14 PM, crackattack said:

Why we celebrate traitors and rebels is beyond me. Want to put them in a museum....fine. These guys rebelled and fought against the USA. Why we sensationalize individuals that led a rebellion to secede and kill Americans is beyond me. They were traitors and nothing more. 

Its a pragmatic move.  Technically, it probably isn't correct to celebrate General Lee.  But the GOAL was to reunite the nation and prevent riots.  In order to achieve that, the Union allowed for southern states to celebrate their Confederate leaders.  That way, they lost the war but are still welcomed back into the US and not shamed.   It is about making a cohesive nation that functions.

Its kind of ironic that today we've lost sight of that goal, and are trying to tear down southern heritage and also tearing the nation apart all over again and heading towards civil war.   The pragmatism of the people who fought the civil war is gone and now we have hardliners trying to erase history and shame whites, which is exactly the opposite of how we reunified the nation back then.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

On 9/14/2019 at 1:40 PM, crackattack said:

People defending traitors of the USA . Next up! London puts up statues of Washington, Jefferson, Adams, etc etc. 

There is a statue of Washington in London. They even have some Virginia soil around the Statue. When he first got off the ship, he stepped off onto Virginia soil. 

[Fireballer 2,401]

4 hours ago, riversco said:

Its a pragmatic move.  Technically, it probably isn't correct to celebrate General Lee.  But the GOAL was to reunite the nation and prevent riots.  In order to achieve that, the Union allowed for southern states to celebrate their Confederate leaders.  That way, they lost the war but are still welcomed back into the US and not shamed.   It is about making a cohesive nation that functions.

Its kind of ironic that today we've lost sight of that goal, and are trying to tear down southern heritage and also tearing the nation apart all over again and heading towards civil war.   The pragmatism of the people who fought the civil war is gone and now we have hardliners trying to erase history and shame whites, which is exactly the opposite of how we reunified the nation back 

The mindset of "preserve the union at all costs" that Lincoln had is well documented. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

9 hours ago, Fireballer said:

The mindset of "preserve the union at all costs" that Lincoln had is well documented. 

Sure, during the war.  But AFTER the war into peacetime? Especially after Lincoln was dead.  They obviously went hard into a "mend fences" mode.

[crackattack 513]

On 9/12/2019 at 6:22 PM, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Is the Ukraine traitors? Or are they just a group of people who don't want to live under the same rule

 

Ukraine before independence or now?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,615]

15 minutes ago, crackattack said:

Ukraine before independence or now?

not continuing this bro

you lost