January 6th

[Hardcore troubadour 14,952]

4 minutes ago, Dozer FBG said:

Ray Epps is the former President of the largest Oath Keepers chapter in the country.

- Press contact — Arizona Oath Keepers state chapter President Ray Epps: 480-xxx-xxxx.

I am taking at face value all of the defending the leftards are doing for this guy. But I am left wondering why he was originally put  on the fbi most wanted list and then quickly removed, and why it took them so long to arrest and charge him? He was fairly easy to find. He was the leader of the largest oath keepers chapter in the country. There are some curious aspects to the case, you would have to agree? 

[jonmx 2,424]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Do you have any proof at all to back up these claims? Because everything I’ve read says otherwise: there were NO FBI agents in the crowd, and NO FBI involvement. You’re repeating a far right wing conspiracy theory with no back up that I’m aware of. 

Because a Google search and mainstream media suppresses this information.  The FBI in court has admittted to having at least 40 FBI assets on the ground on January 6th.

[jonmx 2,424]

FROM THE LINK above:

 

On Tuesday, the government admitted that eight FBI confidential agents were embedded among the Proud Boys on January 6. Roots allege that the Homeland Security Investigations (HIS) agency had about 19 informants active at the time. In addition, at least 13 undercover plain-clothes DC Metro police agents were among the Proud Boys. 

“When added to the 8 FBI CHSs now acknowledged by the prosecutors, this means that there were at least 40 undercover informants or agents doing surveillance among defendants on January 6,” Roots said, adding that the defense would have been “much more aggressive” in the initial trial if they would have known “the scope and scale” of January 6 undercover government scheme. 

[jonmx 2,424]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I am taking at face value all of the defending the leftards are doing for this guy. But I am left wondering why he was originally put  on the fbi most wanted list and then quickly removed, and why it took them so long to arrest and charge him? He was fairly easy to find. He was the leader of the largest oath keepers chapter in the country. There are some curious aspects to the case, you would have to agree? 

Everything about Epps screams, "I am an FBI asset!"

 But Dozer is a bootlicker.  

[Dozer FBG 324]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Except that there’s no evidence of it. 

Yeah, but I mean, I just assume that every chapter of the oath keepers, proud boys, 3 percenters have been infiltrated somehow. Mostly your standard cooperators trying to get out of trouble, or some undercover stuff.

I agree that there was no Fed influence on the scene J6, and Ray Epps is just a poor dumb bastard who had his life ruined by his own like-minded friends.

This new stuff is just the fever dream fantasy that keeps coming up every so often.

[jonmx 2,424]

9 minutes ago, Dozer FBG said:

I have no problem believiing there were 40 FBI assets in the crowd at the rally and the capital.

And Ray Epps was one along with several other key players in the breech.   But that nugget will be classified forever.  

[jonmx 2,424]

1 minute ago, Dozer FBG said:

Yeah, but I mean, I just assume that every chapter of the oath keepers, proud boys, 3 percenters have been infiltrated somehow. Mostly your standard cooperators trying to get out of trouble, or some undercover stuff.

I agree that there was no Fed influence on the scene J6, and Ray Epps is just a poor dumb bastard who had his life ruined by his own like-minded friends.

This new stuff is just the fever dream fantasy that keeps coming up every so often.

That is a cute narrative, but people with far less influence who were no where near the Capitol are serving years in prison.  While megaphone Epps gets some wrist-slapping misdemeanor and has been protected for 2.5 years despite being identified day 1.   The bootlicking narrative makes no sense. 

[thegeneral 2,916]

3 minutes ago, jonmx said:

That is a cute narrative, but people with far less influence who were no where near the Capitol are serving years in prison.  While megaphone Epps gets some wrist-slapping misdemeanor and has been protected for 2.5 years despite being identified day 1.   The bootlicking narrative makes no sense. 

Epps is suing Tucker and other for implying this stuff, right?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,952]

12 minutes ago, jonmx said:

FROM THE LINK above:

 

On Tuesday, the government admitted that eight FBI confidential agents were embedded among the Proud Boys on January 6. Roots allege that the Homeland Security Investigations (HIS) agency had about 19 informants active at the time. In addition, at least 13 undercover plain-clothes DC Metro police agents were among the Proud Boys. 

“When added to the 8 FBI CHSs now acknowledged by the prosecutors, this means that there were at least 40 undercover informants or agents doing surveillance among defendants on January 6,” Roots said, adding that the defense would have been “much more aggressive” in the initial trial if they would have known “the scope and scale” of January 6 undercover government scheme. 

So wait, it’s true? And Real Tim and the other woketards that have been denying it were wrong? Where dey at? 

[Dozer FBG 324]

18 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I am taking at face value all of the defending the leftards are doing for this guy. But I am left wondering why he was originally put  on the fbi most wanted list and then quickly removed, and why it took them so long to arrest and charge him? He was fairly easy to find. He was the leader of the largest oath keepers chapter in the country. There are some curious aspects to the case, you would have to agree? 

He probably was put on the list because the Feds saw the videos of him telling people to go into the capital, then because he was so easy to find… they found him… and determined that he didn’t assault any cops or enter the capital, so they took him off the list. That’s just me spit balling though. I think all the questions about Ray Epps have been asked and answered.

[Dozer FBG 324]

12 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Everything about Epps screams, "I am an FBI asset!"

 But Dozer is a bootlicker.  

Jon, and this is important....

You.... are the bootlicker.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,952]

3 minutes ago, Dozer FBG said:

He probably was put on the list because the Feds saw the videos of him telling people to go into the capital, then because he was so easy to find… they found him… and determined that he didn’t assault any cops or enter the capital, so they took him off the list. That’s just me spit balling though. I think all the questions about Ray Epps have been asked and answered.

Why did it take so long? And they had video of everyone.  So why just him on the list? 

[jonmx 2,424]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So wait, it’s true? And Real Tim and the other woketards that have been denying it were wrong? Where dey at? 

 

If the government media (New York Times) does not report it, it did not happen.

[jonmx 2,424]

1 minute ago, Dozer FBG said:

Jon, and this is important....

You.... are the bootlicker.

Coming from the biggest bootlicker of all, I take thst as a compliment.   

[thegeneral 2,916]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why did it take so long? 

How does this play into this?

[Dozer FBG 324]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why did it take so long? And they had video of everyone.  

Sorry, I don't understand your question. Why did what take so long?

[jonmx 2,424]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why did it take so long? 

It makes no sense.  And you know how many people did not assault anyone and still served hard time?  There are people in jail today who did not assault anyone, were not on Capitol grounds.  Ray Epps did far more than any of those guys.  100%  FED 

[jonmx 2,424]

Just now, Dozer FBG said:

Sorry, I don't understand your question. Why did what take so long?

Gee Chimley, I have no idea. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

7 hours ago, MDC said:

They’re blaming the cops now.  

Blue Lives Matter

[Hardcore troubadour 14,952]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

How does this play into this?

I don’t know what it has to do with it. They interviewed him and nothing for 32 months then all of a sudden a misdemeanor charge when there are people asking questions? 

[Dozer FBG 324]

1 minute ago, jonmx said:

And you know how many people did not assault anyone and still served hard time?  There are people in jail today who did not assault anyone

Who are you talking about here, Jon. I know of a few, I just want to know if you do to, or you're just woofing smack.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,952]

2 minutes ago, Dozer FBG said:

Sorry, I don't understand your question. Why did what take so long?

To charge him. 32 months? Why so late? 

[jonmx 2,424]

Just now, Dozer FBG said:

Who are you talking about here, Jon. I know of a few, I just want to know if you do to, or you're just woofing smack.

You are the one who tracks every case.  But I know several proud boy and/or Oath keeper types who got smacked and convincted of conspiracy charges...

[Dozer FBG 324]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

To charge him. 32 months? Why so late? 

Probably because he was a nobody. I don't know. It just doesn't seem suspicious to me, given everything we know about J6.

I say let the poor guy be to lick his trump caused wounds and wait for his big Fox News lawsuit payday.

[jonmx 2,424]

7 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

How does this play into this?

It is to blow smoke and make any rogue news media back off.  It has no bearing on how the FBI handles him.  They know exactly his role but will never disclose it.  It is a serious flaw in our system to have people and agency act above the law.  A big part of the reason the FBI has become so corrupt. 

[Dozer FBG 324]

3 minutes ago, jonmx said:

You are the one who tracks every case.  But I know several proud boy and/or Oath keeper types who got smacked and convincted of conspiracy charges...

Right. The ones found guilty by a jury. (juries)

Anyone in partiular? Or is this one of those "I said it, you prove me wrong" deals?

[jonmx 2,424]

2 minutes ago, Dozer FBG said:

Probably because he was a nobody. I don't know. It just doesn't seem suspicious to me, given everything we know about J6.

I say let the poor guy be to lick his trump caused wounds and wait for his big Fox News lawsuit payday.

On the FBIs top 10 list day one.   What they had was a failure to communicate between rogue cells.  

[jonmx 2,424]

Just now, Dozer FBG said:

Right. The ones found guilty by a jury. (juries)

Anyone in partiular? Or is this one of those "I said it, you prove me wrong" deals?

All of them.  Ray Epps played a far more influential role in the Capitol being breached than all of those guys.  I really put zero weight into what some kangeroo court full of rapid Democrats in DC says.  None of those people were peers. 

[Dozer FBG 324]

Just now, jonmx said:

On the FBIs top 10 list day one.   What they had was a failure to communicate between rogue cells.  

Videos of Epps were all over social media the night of J6. , including the one where he was talking to American Psychpath, Rayn Samsel, who was on of the first cop assaulters.

 

[Dozer FBG 324]

Ryan Samsel

This Accused Capitol Rioter Beat His Pregnant Girlfriend and Threw Her Into a Canal

 

 

[jonmx 2,424]

5 minutes ago, Dozer FBG said:

Ryan Samsel

This Accused Capitol Rioter Beat His Pregnant Girlfriend and Threw Her Into a Canal

 

And?   Ray was in his ear encouraging this psychopath like a good FBI instigator.   Is that your point?

[Fnord 2,051]

15 minutes ago, jonmx said:

You are the one who tracks every case.  But I know several proud boy and/or Oath keeper types who got smacked and convincted of conspiracy charges...

And you have a problem with people being involved in a criminal conspiracy, found guilty, and then serving time? Some of us bootlickers are still cool with criminals being treated as such. Sorry they're YOUR criminals. But criminals they are.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,952]

1 minute ago, Fnord said:

And you have a problem with people being involved in a criminal conspiracy, found guilty, and then serving time? Some of us bootlickers are still cool with criminals being treated as such. Sorry they're YOUR criminals. But criminals they are.

I don’t think most people  on the right are cool with what went down on Jan 6. I think many of us do make a distinction between the violent and destructive ones and the others that followed the crowd. That’s my two cents. Also, Trump didn’t tell them to do violence nor did he coordinate with anyone that did. This case is a farce. 

[BeachGuy23 642]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I don’t think most people  on the right are cool with what went down on Jan 6. I think many of us do make a distinction between the violent and destructive ones and the others that followed the crowd. That’s my two cents. Also, Trump didn’t tell them to do violence nor did he coordinate with anyone that did. This case is a farce. 

Why was the deplorable horde in DC that day?

[Dozer FBG 324]

8 minutes ago, jonmx said:

And?   Ray was in his ear encouraging this psychopath like a good FBI instigator.   Is that your point?

My point is, that there were many dangerous actors on the scene that day. From instigators and others cheering on the crowd as it surrounded the Capitol, to the 40 or so found guilty of seditious conspiracy, to the many frothy psychos like Samsel.

But no FBI.

At least, no FBI in the capacity you imagine.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,952]

Just now, BeachGuy23 said:

Why was the deplorable horde in DC that day?

Participating in their constitutional right to assemble? Got a problem with that? 

[BeachGuy23 642]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Participating in their constitutional right to assemble? Got a problem with that? 

Who called the deplorable horde to gather on that day?

[jonmx 2,424]

8 minutes ago, Fnord said:

And you have a problem with people being involved in a criminal conspiracy, found guilty, and then serving time? Some of us bootlickers are still cool with criminals being treated as such. Sorry they're YOUR criminals. But criminals they are.

Yes, because there was no planned conspiracy.  Tell me what the plans were.  To enter the Capitol and run around on the floor for a while and peacefully leave?   What exactly were the conspiring to do, delay a meaningless rubber stamp vote?  I am not even sure they had any idea they could breech the Capitol.  Thst was just a result because of a total lack of security.   Not because of some so-called conspiracy, which has bever been laid out what it was.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,952]

Just now, Dozer FBG said:

My point is, that there were many dangerous actors on the scene that day. From instigators and others cheering on the crowd as it surrounded the Capitol, to the 40 or so found guilty of seditious conspiracy, to the many frothy psychos like Samsel.

But no FBI.

At least, no FBI in the capacity you imagine.

 

You mean no FBI agents, right? 

[Dozer FBG 324]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Participating in their constitutional right to assemble? Got a problem with that? 

Hell no.