MLB extra inning question (official scoring)

[edjr 6,611]

How does MLB handle the runner starting at 2nd base as far as an earned run?

Does the pitcher get charged with an ER if that runner scores, or is it an seen as an inherited runner? 

 

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,369]

5 minutes ago, edjr said:

How does MLB handle the runner starting at 2nd base as far as an earned run?

Does the pitcher get charged with an ER if that runner scores, or is it an seen as an inherited runner? 

 

 

it unearned

what I am curious is that if you can get 2 blown saves in the same game

 

 

[posty 2,725]

7 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

it unearned

what I am curious is that if you can get 2 blown saves in the same game

 

 

By the same pitcher, no...  By different pitchers, yes...

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,369]

3 minutes ago, posty said:

By the same pitcher, no...  By different pitchers, yes...

I figured as much just thought it would be funny

 

[edjr 6,611]

11 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

it unearned

what I am curious is that if you can get 2 blown saves in the same game

 

 

How is that even possible?

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,369]

1 minute ago, edjr said:

How is that even possible?

 

your team scores in the top of the 10th, your closer comes in gives up the tying run, then you take the lead in the 11th and he does it again

 

[posty 2,725]

7 minutes ago, edjr said:

How is that even possible?

 

Very easy...

After five, you are up 3-2...  They tie it in say the seventh, one blown save...

Your team takes the lead in the eighth and you are now up 5-3, they tie it up in the bottom half on a different pitcher and there is the second blown save...

[edjr 6,611]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

your team scores in the top of the 10th, your closer comes in gives up the tying run, then you take the lead in the 11th and he does it again

 

when you're the pitcher of record, you can't get a blown save.  Imagine that?

1 to 0 through 7th, you come back out 8th and give up a run, you get a blown save

[posty 2,725]

2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

your team scores in the top of the 10th, your closer comes in gives up the tying run, then you take the lead in the 11th and he does it again

 

That one in the 11th wouldn't be a blown save if it is the same pitcher in the 10th...

[edjr 6,611]

1 minute ago, posty said:

Very easy...

After five, you are up 3-2...  They tie it in say the seventh, one blown save...

Your team takes the lead in the eighth and you are now up 5-3, they tie it up in the bottom half and there is the second blown save...

when you're the pitcher of record, you can't get a blown save.

That was my question

[TimmySmith 2,782]

1 minute ago, posty said:

Very easy...

After five, you are up 3-2...  They tie it in say the seventh, one blown save...

Your team takes the lead in the eighth and you are now up 5-3, they tie it up in the bottom half and there is the second blown save...

After the 1st blown save you are the pitcher of record.

[posty 2,725]

2 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

After the 1st blown save you are the pitcher of record.

Well since I figured most people would assume only one inning pitched for a reliever, they would assume that another one had come in...  So there was a new pitcher in the bottom of the eighth...

I updated it...  Thanks...

[edjr 6,611]

Just now, TimmySmith said:

After the 1st blown save you are the pitcher of record.

Thanks for backing me up

Posty was explaining theoretically how it's possible.  (not logistically) 

[posty 2,725]

Oakland had three blown saves in this game:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TEX/TEX201005110.shtml

[edjr 6,611]

Just now, posty said:

Oakland had three blown saves in this game:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TEX/TEX201005110.shtml

Is the SAVE not like the sack in the NFL. A near completely useless stat

[TimmySmith 2,782]

11 minutes ago, posty said:

Oakland had three blown saves in this game:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TEX/TEX201005110.shtml

Yes, by 3 different pitchers. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

43 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

it unearned

what I am curious is that if you can get 2 blown saves in the same game

 

 

a pitcher can get infinite blown saves in a game.   instead of taking the pitcher out, move him to first base.  then move him back to pitcher some innings later.  once a player is taken OUT of a game, they cant return.  but if you never take a pitcher out and instead move him around the diamond, sure he can pitch some more later on.

[edjr 6,611]

29 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

a pitcher can get infinite blown saves in a game.   instead of taking the pitcher out, move him to first base.  then move him back to pitcher some innings later.  once a player is taken OUT of a game, they cant return.  but if you never take a pitcher out and instead move him around the diamond, sure he can pitch some more later on.

Used to do this in little league until liberals ruined that too. OH THE CHILDREN! Don't hurt little joey's arm! you will ruin his chance at the major leagues

[Utilit99 4,099]

Save (SV)

Definition

A save is awarded to the relief pitcher who finishes a game for the winning team, under certain circumstances. A pitcher cannot receive a save and a win in the same game.

A relief pitcher recording a save must preserve his team's lead while doing one of the following:

• Enter the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitch at least one inning.
• Enter the game with the tying run in the on-deck circle, at the plate or on the bases.
• Pitch at least three innings.

[TBayXXXVII 2,561]

1 hour ago, JustinCharge said:

a pitcher can get infinite blown saves in a game.   instead of taking the pitcher out, move him to first base.  then move him back to pitcher some innings later.  once a player is taken OUT of a game, they cant return.  but if you never take a pitcher out and instead move him around the diamond, sure he can pitch some more later on.

Technically, this is correct... but the likelihood is essentially 0.

[jerryskids 6,876]

2 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

a pitcher can get infinite blown saves in a game.   instead of taking the pitcher out, move him to first base.  then move him back to pitcher some innings later.  once a player is taken OUT of a game, they cant return.  but if you never take a pitcher out and instead move him around the diamond, sure he can pitch some more later on.

 

22 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Save (SV)

Definition

A save is awarded to the relief pitcher who finishes a game for the winning team, under certain circumstances. A pitcher cannot receive a save and a win in the same game.

A relief pitcher recording a save must preserve his team's lead while doing one of the following:

• Enter the game with a lead of no more than three runs and pitch at least one inning.
• Enter the game with the tying run in the on-deck circle, at the plate or on the bases.
• Pitch at least three innings.

Not sure.  “Enter the game” only happens once, even if you move the pitcher to other positions.  And you can’t preserve a lead for multiple innings in extra innings.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

15 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

Save (SV)

Definition

A save is awarded to the relief pitcher who finishes a game for the winning team, under certain circumstances. A pitcher cannot receive a save and a win in the same game.

I once pitched 8 innings in a men's league game, they brought in a hothead to finish who walk the 1st batter and got tossed for ball\strike complaining. Got brought back in and finished. 5-4 final. I got the win and the save, but even though I got all 27 outs, no complete game. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,561]

49 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

I once pitched 8 innings in a men's league game, they brought in a hothead to finish who walk the 1st batter and got tossed for ball\strike complaining. Got brought back in and finished. 5-4 final. I got the win and the save, but even though I got all 27 outs, no complete game. 

You can only get credit for a complete game if you're the only pitcher to throw a pitch for your team.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

21 hours ago, jerryskids said:

 

Not sure.  “Enter the game” only happens once, even if you move the pitcher to other positions.  And you can’t preserve a lead for multiple innings in extra innings.

It doesn't say he has to enter the game for each blown save he records.  It just says he has to enter the game with one of those conditions (or pitch 3 innings).  So once you enter the game under those conditions, I'd assume you are now eligible for all blown save opportunities.