Ukraine - Doomsday

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

6 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

The general idea is that a politician gets heat for military failures, so they rearrange the deck chairs to make it look like progress is being made in fixing things when they are just going round and round.

The US:

1.  send in a bunch of kids to Vietnam.  People get upset that their kids are dying.
2.  switch it up in the 80s and hire mercenaries called Contras to sort out the Sandinistas.  People get upset we are hiring mercenaries when we have kids to send instead.
3.  switch it back up and send kids to Iraq in 1991.

mercenary armies are part of any long term military package.  when the public gets nervous about one, you switch to the other.  back and forth.  The type of army they send depends upon what the public is upset about.

 

i imagine in the future it would be a 3-way choice of sending either kids, mercenaries, or drones/robots.  eventually sending kids just gets phased out, which creates a new problem in that the public becomes useless and they need to drop the population by 99%.

There seems to be a lot of public feuding between Wagner and Russian leadership, likely a setup for the blame game for battlefield failure.

My take on what's happening in Bakhmut is that the Ukrainians are sticking around to try to kill off as much of the enemy as possible before retreating to a fortified defensive position to the west. 

Then they'll launch an offensive of their own. Bakhmut is useless rubble at this point, although it's amazing to me that several thousand civilians are still living there. 

Bakhmut at this point would be a symbolic victory for Russia but remains a slaughterhouse opportunity for Ukraine. Russia is suffering horrific losses for this tiny city.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

the best part is i almost never read rustys posts.  the only ones i checked were the ones i responded to.  he a worthless poster, so i like just clearing the notifications and moving on after i make my point.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,912]

So Russia is emptying its prisons and having them join the Wagner group. They get about three weeks of training and given basic weaponry and told to run into Ukraine gunfire.  Nearly the same tactic the Russians used at Stalingrad. Arrows cost money.   Send in the Irish. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

41 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

the best part is i almost never read rustys posts.  the only ones i checked were the ones i responded to.  he a worthless poster, so i like just clearing the notifications and moving on after i make my point.

I attempted to engage you in a reasonable discussion, which you prove time and time again that this is not possible. Go back to chasing your windmills.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So Russia is emptying its prisons and having them join the Wagner group. They get about three weeks of training and given basic weaponry and told to run into Ukraine gunfire.  Nearly the same tactic the Russians used at Stalingrad. Arrows cost money.   Send in the Irish. 

if Russia is about turning Americans against the war, Ukraine is runinng out of ammo and that could force the US to spend billions to up ammo production which would also turn more Americans against the war.  Then when the ammo arrives, Russia switches to a new tactic and the ammo is useless.  Then the US has to spend billions yet again to counter the new threat and war support falls yet again. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Rusia has entered Bakhmut and controls most of the east bank.

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

1 hour ago, JustinCharge said:

Rusia has entered Bakhmut and controls most of the east bank.

They entered your mom just before Christmas and drilled her in the Bakhmut.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,912]

On 3/6/2023 at 11:23 AM, Pimpadeaux said:

There seems to be a lot of public feuding between Wagner and Russian leadership, likely a setup for the blame game for battlefield failure.

My take on what's happening in Bakhmut is that the Ukrainians are sticking around to try to kill off as much of the enemy as possible before retreating to a fortified defensive position to the west. 

Then they'll launch an offensive of their own. Bakhmut is useless rubble at this point, although it's amazing to me that several thousand civilians are still living there. 

Bakhmut at this point would be a symbolic victory for Russia but remains a slaughterhouse opportunity for Ukraine. Russia is suffering horrific losses for this tiny city.

Yeah.  You’re way off. Zelensky doesnt share your view. He said Bakmuht would provide Russia with “an open road” into eastern Ukraine if they take it and is resisting calls to retreat. Do you get your bogus information from somewhere specific or do you just cobble some bullshit together and spout it here? 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah.  You’re way off. Zelensky doesnt share your view. He said Bakmuht would provide Russia with “an open road” into eastern Ukraine if they take it and is resisting calls to retreat. Do you get your bogus information from somewhere specific or do you just cobble some bullshit together and spout it here? 

You're the one who admittedly gets his "news" from a handful of extremist podcasts. 

Bakhmut has zero military significance, other than a good place to slaughter Russians. Ukraine is regrouping in a defensive position to the west, and Russia has an ammunition issue to sustain its offensive.

I'd post 50 links, but you wouldn't read any of them.

Ukraine will pull back if necessary, but it will just re-take the town once the next offensive is good to go.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,912]

1 minute ago, Pimpadeaux said:

You're the one who admittedly gets his "news" from a handful of extremist podcasts. 

Bakhmut has zero military significance, other than a good place to slaughter Russians. Ukraine is regrouping in a defensive position to the west, and Russia has an ammunition issue to sustain its offensive.

I'd post 50 links, but you wouldn't read any of them.

Zelensky says different.  And when did I mention podcasts, never mind extremist ones? Just making bullshit up again. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Zelensky says different.  And when did I mention podcasts, never mind extremist ones? Just making bullshit up again. 

Cool. Blow us all away with the information sources you follow and trust.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,912]

32 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Cool. Blow us all away with the information sources you follow and trust.

CNN ok with you? Yes, I read that extremist site. Go look. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

yay war!!! this is fun

 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

CNN ok with you? Yes, I read that extremist site. Go look. 

Well good for you. Their routine reporting is fine, as it is with Fox.

I can't stand the CNN night hosts, and I'm glad they kicked Don Lemon out of prime time

I follow a lot of the aggregates to piece together some balance - Google, Yahoo, MSN, SmartNews - as well as the Associated Press and Reuters. I also follow The New York Times and NPR.

I'll pop over to OAN and Newsmax to see what spin they put on things, but I almost never look at anything on the MSNBC website.

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

19 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Well good for you. Their routine reporting is fine, as it is with Fox.

I can't stand the CNN night hosts, and I'm glad they kicked Don Lemon out of prime time

I follow a lot of the aggregates to piece together some balance - Google, Yahoo, MSN, SmartNews - as well as the Associated Press and Reuters. I also follow The New York Times and NPR.

I'll pop over to OAN and Newsmax to see what spin they put on things, but I almost never look at anything on the MSNBC website.

 

Yay war!!! 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

56 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Yay autocracy and Russian aggression! Go Putin!

Fixed.

[seafoam1 2,798]

1 hour ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Yay war!!! 

Liberals love war.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

13 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Fixed.

 Brought to you by a govt overthrow by the United States of a democratic elected president in Ukraine under Obama and Biden. Good job guys 

I can’t believe liberals are so big MIC now 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

6 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

 Brought to you by a govt overthrow by the United States of a democratic elected president in Ukraine under Obama and Biden. Good job guys 

I can’t believe liberals are so big MIC now 

I'd put the over/under on how many times daily you jerk off to Putin images at six were it not likelihood that you'd be lucky to get it up once a day.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

Just now, Pimpadeaux said:

I'd put the over/under on how many times daily you jerk off to Putin images at six were it not likelihood that you'd be lucky to get it up once a day.

What does anything I say have to do with Putin. In case you haven’t noticed I give zero fucks about any other country in this world

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

What does anything I say have to do with Putin. In case you haven’t noticed I give zero fucks about any other country in this world

You responded to my post about which news sites with some irrelevant "Yay war!" remark, but if you think a Russian victory wouldn't negatively impact our country and the rest of the free world, not all your Christmas lights are twinkling, son.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

7 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

You responded to my post about which news sites with some irrelevant "Yay war!" remark, but if you think a Russian victory wouldn't negatively impact our country and the rest of the free world, not all your Christmas lights are twinkling, son.

Ukraine. Here’s what I want. Fock Ukraine. Fock Russia. Our country was just fine when the Soviet controlled all of Ukraine and would be just fine now

is our country worse cause china controls a lot of Syria? Was our country better controlling Afghanistan 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Ukraine. Here’s what I want. Fock Ukraine. Fock Russia. Our country was just fine when the Soviet controlled all of Ukraine and would be just fine now

is our country worse cause china controls a lot of Syria? Was our country better controlling Afghanistan 

Isolationism and nationalism doesn't work, and history is rich with examples of it not working. 

[seafoam1 2,798]

10 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

You responded to my post about which news sites with some irrelevant "Yay war!" remark, but if you think a Russian victory wouldn't negatively impact our country and the rest of the free world, not all your Christmas lights are twinkling, son.

I saw those news sites you mentioned. You are a true whacko liberal. Proven by your own actions. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

22 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Isolationism and nationalism doesn't work, and history is rich with examples of it not working. 

When did I say isolationism or nationalism?

i just don’t care about other countries when we have so many issues at home. Feel free to trade with them. But stay out of foreign affairs. Not a single war in our lifetime has been started on real pretenses. Every damn one we have had to lie our ways into. Enough

[JustinCharge 2,397]

32 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Isolationism and nationalism doesn't work, and history is rich with examples of it not working. 

thats correct, and thats why liberals isolating themselves in liberal enclaves like colleges and urban centers while they spew hate at anyone not like them is failing. Look at FBG as an example.  They drove out anyone not like them and established themselves as a nation of hateful wokism.  And what happened?  They turned on each other, attacked the owners, and got destroyed.

A place like this that welcomes all views thrives in comparison.

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

23 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

thats correct, and thats why liberals isolating themselves in liberal enclaves like colleges and urban centers while they spew hate at anyone not like them is failing. Look at FBG as an example.  They drove out anyone not like them and established themselves as a nation of hateful wokism.  And what happened?  They turned on each other, attacked the owners, and got destroyed.

A place like this that welcomes all views thrives in comparison.

Yes, FBG and your ongoing butthurt over getting permabanned is the crucible for the coming civil and nuclear wars. I am certain of this. You've been so right and never lost a Trivial Pursuit game, but they don't see this. They will see this in time, and you will finally get the recognition you desperately crave. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/07/europe/ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-cnn-interview-bakhmut-intl/index.html

Exclusive: Zelensky warns of ‘open road’ through Ukraine’s east if Russia captures Bakhmut, as he resists calls to retreat

By Rob Picheta, CNN

Updated 5:19 PM EST, Tue March 7, 2023

CNN  — 

Russian troops will have “open road” to capture key cities in eastern Ukraine if they seize control of Bakhmut, President Volodymyr Zelensky warned in an interview with CNN, as he defended his decision to keep Ukrainian forces in the besieged city.

“This is tactical for us,” Zelensky said, insisting that Kyiv’s military brass is united in prolonging its defense of the city after weeks of Russian attacks left it on the cusp of falling to Moscow’s troops.

“We understand that after Bakhmut they could go further. They could go to Kramatorsk, they could go to Sloviansk, it would be open road for the Russians after Bakhmut to other towns in Ukraine, in the Donetsk direction,” he told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer in an exclusive interview from Kyiv. “That’s why our guys are standing there.”

A weeks-long assault from Wagner mercenary troops, which has picked up pace in recent days, has forced thousands from the city and decimated its infrastructure. But Ukrainian troops have also mounted a dogged defense of the area, stalling Russia’s progress.

Zelensky said his motivations to keep the city are “so different” to Russia’s objectives. “We understand what Russia wants to achieve there. Russia needs at least some victory – a small victory – even by ruining everything in Bakhmut, just killing every civilian there,” Zelensky said.

He said that if Russia is able to “put their little flag” on top of Bakhmut, it would help “mobilize their society in order to create this idea they’re such a powerful army.”

Though Bakhmut does not hold significant strategic value in itself, its road connections to Kramatorsk and Sloviansk – two densely populated, industrial urban hubs to the northwest – mean those cities be next in Russia’s crosshairs if they are able to take control.

Some commanders and lower level officers have questioned the merit of holding Bakhmut amid a rising number of casualties and a growing risk that hundreds or even thousands of Ukrainian troops could get cut off.

But Zelensky dismissed those concerns, saying he has “never heard anything like that” from his commanders.

“We have to think about our people first and no one should be surrounded, encircled – this is very important,” he said.

“I had a meeting with the chief of staff yesterday and the chief military commanders online and offline … and they all talk that we have to stand strong in Bakhmut,” he said. “Of course we have to think about the lives of our military. But we have to do whatever we can whilst we’re getting weapons, supplies and our army is getting ready for the counter-offensive.”

“The military sees for themselves that we have to stay strong there despite the fact that Russia ruined the whole city and everything there,” Zelensky added. “Troops were helping kids, civilians to leave the town – even up to today people were leaving Bakhmut. We were helping everyone.

[seafoam1 2,798]

1 hour ago, JustinCharge said:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/07/europe/ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-cnn-interview-bakhmut-intl/index.html

Exclusive: Zelensky warns of ‘open road’ through Ukraine’s east if Russia captures Bakhmut, as he resists calls to retreat

By Rob Picheta, CNN

Updated 5:19 PM EST, Tue March 7, 2023

CNN  — 

Russian troops will have “open road” to capture key cities in eastern Ukraine if they seize control of Bakhmut, President Volodymyr Zelensky warned in an interview with CNN, as he defended his decision to keep Ukrainian forces in the besieged city.

“This is tactical for us,” Zelensky said, insisting that Kyiv’s military brass is united in prolonging its defense of the city after weeks of Russian attacks left it on the cusp of falling to Moscow’s troops.

“We understand that after Bakhmut they could go further. They could go to Kramatorsk, they could go to Sloviansk, it would be open road for the Russians after Bakhmut to other towns in Ukraine, in the Donetsk direction,” he told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer in an exclusive interview from Kyiv. “That’s why our guys are standing there.”

A weeks-long assault from Wagner mercenary troops, which has picked up pace in recent days, has forced thousands from the city and decimated its infrastructure. But Ukrainian troops have also mounted a dogged defense of the area, stalling Russia’s progress.

Zelensky said his motivations to keep the city are “so different” to Russia’s objectives. “We understand what Russia wants to achieve there. Russia needs at least some victory – a small victory – even by ruining everything in Bakhmut, just killing every civilian there,” Zelensky said.

He said that if Russia is able to “put their little flag” on top of Bakhmut, it would help “mobilize their society in order to create this idea they’re such a powerful army.”

Though Bakhmut does not hold significant strategic value in itself, its road connections to Kramatorsk and Sloviansk – two densely populated, industrial urban hubs to the northwest – mean those cities be next in Russia’s crosshairs if they are able to take control.

Some commanders and lower level officers have questioned the merit of holding Bakhmut amid a rising number of casualties and a growing risk that hundreds or even thousands of Ukrainian troops could get cut off.

But Zelensky dismissed those concerns, saying he has “never heard anything like that” from his commanders.

“We have to think about our people first and no one should be surrounded, encircled – this is very important,” he said.

“I had a meeting with the chief of staff yesterday and the chief military commanders online and offline … and they all talk that we have to stand strong in Bakhmut,” he said. “Of course we have to think about the lives of our military. But we have to do whatever we can whilst we’re getting weapons, supplies and our army is getting ready for the counter-offensive.”

“The military sees for themselves that we have to stay strong there despite the fact that Russia ruined the whole city and everything there,” Zelensky added. “Troops were helping kids, civilians to leave the town – even up to today people were leaving Bakhmut. We were helping everyone.

If this were happening here, liberals would just have the troops abort the kids from existence. It's what they do.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

It seems to be Bakhmut will fall anywhere from hours to a few days.  If Ukraine remains there, they are gonna get encircled and lose a lot more than if they flee.

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

9 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

It seems to be Bakhmut will fall anywhere from hours to a few days.  If Ukraine remains there, they are gonna get encircled and lose a lot more than if they flee.

 Russia is losing five guys at Bakhmut for every Ukrainian killed. A lot of hand-to-hand fighting going on as well.

As I mentioned, Bakhmut has symbolic but no military significance for Russia, and the idea for Ukraine is to kill as many Russian fockers as they can and pull out if necessary.

Russia cut off Wagner's prison recruitment, and prisoners have heard about the slaughter and don't want to go anyway. Wagner is whining about not having enough ammunition to sustain the fighting in Bakhmut, so Ukraine still has a shot of winning this battle, and it's no big loss for Ukraine if it pulls back. They'll just regroup and take back the city at some point.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,912]

28 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

 Russia is losing five guys at Bakhmut for every Ukrainian killed. A lot of hand-to-hand fighting going on as well.

As I mentioned, Bakhmut has symbolic but no military significance for Russia, and the idea for Ukraine is to kill as many Russian fockers as they can and pull out if necessary.

Russia cut off Wagner's prison recruitment, and prisoners have heard about the slaughter and don't want to go anyway. Wagner is whining about not having enough ammunition to sustain the fighting in Bakhmut, so Ukraine still has a shot of winning this battle, and it's no big loss for Ukraine if it pulls back. They'll just regroup and take back the city at some point.

 

Whats left to take back? And saying a city with/ that had a population of 70k has no significance? wow. Just numbers to you. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Whats left to take back? And saying a city with/ that had a population of 70k has no significance? wow. Just numbers to you. 

It has no military significance. That has been thoroughly reported by myriad news agencies. It's purely symbolic for the Russians, who haven't won a battle in like six months, and a great place for the Ukrainians to slaughter Russians.

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

This guy.

[GobbleDog 976]

52 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

This guy.

Holy crap what a video and what a soldier - the Ukrainian Audie Murphy. If they lived, that's probably worthy a prestigious medal.

Don't know what it was, but it looks his buddy was wounded by a grenade at the very end.

[seafoam1 2,798]

2 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

This guy.

 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

2 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

Holy crap what a video and what a soldier - the Ukrainian Audie Murphy. If they lived, that's probably worthy a prestigious medal.

Don't know what it was, but it looks his buddy was wounded by a grenade at the very end.

Yeah, it seemed that way. This isn't the only video like this, of one or two Ukrainians in a trench holding off waves of Russians and calmly and bravely fighting back. 

These Ukrainians are something else.

[seafoam1 2,798]

8 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Yeah, it seemed that way. This isn't the only video like this, of one or two Ukrainians in a trench holding off waves of Russians and calmly and bravely fighting back. 

These Ukrainians are something else.

Wow. Took them a whole two minutes and all their ammunition to do no harm and then they got slaughtered. 

So brave. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Wow. Took them a whole two minutes and all their ammunition to do no harm and then they got slaughtered. 

So brave. 

You're such a child. Did you even watch the video? He guns down a Russian early in the video.

You're the type who gets fussy in the Starbucks line if it's taking too long. 

You wouldn't last 60 seconds in a real-man situation.

 

[seafoam1 2,798]

25 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

You're such a child. Did you even watch the video? He guns down a Russian early in the video.

You're the type who gets fussy in the Starbucks line if it's taking too long. 

You wouldn't last 60 seconds in a real-man situation.

 

A guy talking about going to Starbucks considers himself a real man. So manly of you.