Ukraine - Doomsday

[Ron_Artest 2,337]

Russia bombs a kindergarten in Ukraine.  Trump calls off peace talks.

[Maximum Overkill 2,536]

49 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Trump calls off peace talks

Good move. What's the point? Putin is not stopping until American boots are on the ground. And that ain't happening 

[TimHauck 3,347]

Karoline Leavitt using “your mom” jokes, this really is the sh1tposting admin 

 

 

[Ron_Artest 2,337]

That can't be real.

[Ron_Artest 2,337]

Trump finally agrees to sanctions against Russia.  Maybe he finally realized he's getting played like a fiddle.

[thegeneral 3,698]

Reports that Ukriane has agree to the majority of the peace proposal. No word from Russia.

 

[FrancieFootball 225]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Reports that Ukriane has agree to the majority of the peace proposal. No word from Russia.

 

I'm hopeful, but yeah no word from Russia.

[Ron_Artest 2,337]

EXCLUSIVE: US presidential envoy Steve Witkoff advised Russia on how to pitch Ukraine plans to Trump, in audio files reviewed by Bloomberg

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-25/witkoff-advised-russia-on-how-to-pitch-ukraine-plan-to-trump

So witkoff is a traitor.

[FrancieFootball 225]

Looks like we aren't exactly close to an end to the war. If this is a fail on Trump's part, going to be a new challenge for MAGAs on how to desperately spin this.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/25/europe/us-ukraine-peace-talks-obstacles-analysis-intl-hnk

[seafoam1 3,476]

24 minutes ago, FrancieFootball said:

Looks like we aren't exactly close to an end to the war. If this is a fail on Trump's part, going to be a new challenge for MAGAs on how to desperately spin this.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/25/europe/us-ukraine-peace-talks-obstacles-analysis-intl-hnk

Biden started a war in Europe and princess rusty is claiming it as a liberal victory..

[FrancieFootball 225]

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Might as well hang it up, sugar booger. No longer paying you attention. Take care.

[Maximum Overkill 2,536]

Joe Biden's War 

[Maximum Overkill 2,536]

Oil Prices Sink as Ukraine Agrees to Peace Deal

By Charles Kennedy - Nov 25, 2025, 7:40 AM CST

• Oil prices, with WTI dropping below $60 per barrel, extended losses following reports that Ukraine has mostly agreed to a peace deal with the U.S.
• The agreement, which still has minor details to be sorted out, was confirmed by a U.S. official and a statement from Ukraine's Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council, Rustem Umerov.
• Traders anticipate that a peace deal could lead to the easing of sanctions on Russia's energy exports, compounding existing concerns about an already oversupplied oil market.

[Ron_Artest 2,337]

Steve Witkoff helped Russia derail Ukraine’s access to Tomahawk missiles. He tipped off the Kremlin about Zelensky’s U.S. visit, giving Moscow time to arrange a call that convinced Trump to block the deal. Witkoff actively works against Ukraine’s defense, in coordination with Putin’s regime.

 

[Ron_Artest 2,337]

“.. the Witkoff-Dmitriev plan” demands that a substantial share of $300 billion of frozen Russian state assets “be carved up between Washington and Moscow .. This has apparently disappeared from subsequent versions, but there’s no mistaking the intent.”

The grift never stops

[SaintsInDome2006 722]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Steve Witkoff helped Russia derail Ukraine’s access to Tomahawk missiles. He tipped off the Kremlin about Zelensky’s U.S. visit, giving Moscow time to arrange a call that convinced Trump to block the deal. Witkoff actively works against Ukraine’s defense, in coordination with Putin’s regime.

Seriously the mere concern & potential for this sort of scenario is what got Alger Hiss indicted for spying.

[Maximum Overkill 2,536]

2 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Seriously the mere concern & potential for this sort of scenario is what got Alger Hiss indicted for spying.

Stop all funding to Ukraine. Problem solved 

[SaintsInDome2006 722]

Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

Stop all funding to Ukraine. Problem solved 

There’s a difference between saying stop all funding for Ukraine Vs. America’s no. 1 adversary influencing him to take that decision through his de facto national security advisor.

[shadrap 267]

3 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Steve Witkoff helped Russia derail Ukraine’s access to Tomahawk missiles. He tipped off the Kremlin about Zelensky’s U.S. visit, giving Moscow time to arrange a call that convinced Trump to block the deal. Witkoff actively works against Ukraine’s defense, in coordination with Putin’s regime.

 

the source of this scoop?

[Maximum Overkill 2,536]

1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

There’s a difference between saying stop all funding for Ukraine

No, I'M SAYING stop all funding to Ukraine. 

It's not our war, let Europe pay for it. 

[SaintsInDome2006 722]

58 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

No, I'M SAYING stop all funding to Ukraine. 

It's not our war, let Europe pay for it. 

I agree, it’s not our war. It’s Russia’s and Putin’s war. It started in 2014 when Ukraine sought to join the EU, and it was encouraged when we did nothing about Chechnya in 1999 & Georgia in 2008. And we did nothing while Putin pounded Mariupol, Donetsk & Luhansk through 2021. We promised to protect Ukraine in the Budapest agreement as well. But it is 100% Russia’s war.

However you should know as confected, by Russia, this agreement requires the US to pay plenty, as we will have a hand in reconstruction of what Russia obliterated. Kushner’s presence certainly ensures the Trump Org & the Trump family will get paid as part of that, as with Gaza.

[Ron_Artest 2,337]

53 minutes ago, shadrap said:

the source of this scoop?

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/white-house-defends-witkoff-after-leak-of-conversation-with-russian-official-dbd3b1e2

 

[SaintsInDome2006 722]

Maga has gotten:

- a new military alliance with UAE & Saudi Arabia.

- military strikes in the Caribbean & possibly a war there.

- threats of war in Nigeria.

- air strikes in Somalia.

- promise to intervene & reconstruct Israel’s damage in Gaza.

- promise to reconstruct Russia’s damage in Eastern Ukraine.

- promise of support for Syria, a country led by a man Trump personally called a terrorist.

Helluva ride.

[SaintsInDome2006 722]

1 hour ago, shadrap said:

the source of this scoop?

Before you go into the Yuzhe, you should know there’s a published recording & transcript of the call and one of the Russian participants has already verified it. The Russians totally love to humiliate the Americans so they’re happy to own it.

[seafoam1 3,476]

7 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Before you go into the Yuzhe, you should know there’s a published recording & transcript of the call and one of the Russian participants has already verified it. The Russians totally love to humiliate the Americans so they’re happy to own it.

 

[shadrap 267]

On 11/26/2025 at 9:24 AM, Ron_Artest said:

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/white-house-defends-witkoff-after-leak-of-conversation-with-russian-official-dbd3b1e2

 

paywall.  can you provide the script?

[SaintsInDome2006 722]

WSJ: White House Defends Witkoff After Leak of Conversation With Russian Official

Special envoy reportedly coached Putin aide on dealing with Trump on Ukraine

The White House is defending special envoy Steve Witkoff over reports of a leaked conversation in which he told a Russian official that praising President Trump would help smooth over a call with Russian President Vladimir Putin regarding the war in Ukraine.

Witkoff also suggested that Putin call Trump ahead of a White House visit by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, a conversation that gave the Kremlin an opportunity to press the case against giving Kyiv Tomahawk cruise missiles.

Bloomberg News reported Tuesday that Witkoff, Trump’s special envoy for a variety of diplomatic missions, had a phone call last month with a senior Russian official to suggest they work together on a peace plan for Ukraine and said that Putin should bring up the idea with Trump. The outlet also published a transcript of the Oct. 14 phone call between Witkoff and Yuri Ushakov, Putin’s top foreign-policy aide.

The White House didn’t dispute the veracity of the reported transcript and praised Witkoff for his discussions with Russian officials.

“It’s a standard thing,” Trump said Tuesday of Witkoff’s negotiating, adding he is likely making similar comments to Ukrainians. “That’s what a dealmaker does.”

The Kremlin didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

Witkoff advised Ushakov that Putin should congratulate Trump for the Gaza peace deal, according to the report. 

In a summary of the Oct. 16 Trump-Putin call, Ushakov confirmed the Russian president praised Trump on helping broker a Middle East cease-fire.

“Our president started out by congratulating Donald Trump on his successful efforts to normalize the situation in the Gaza Strip,” he said.

In the phone call with Ushakov, Witkoff further suggested that Putin call Trump shortly before Zelensky’s Oct. 17 visit to the White House, according to the Bloomberg report. Zelensky traveled to Washington hoping Trump would authorize the transfer of long-range Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine, a weapon that would put many Russian targets in Kyiv’s crosshairs.

But on the Oct. 16 call, Putin warned Trump that sending the Tomahawks would escalate the war and harm U.S.-Russia relations, according to Ushakov. 

While Trump previously expressed concerns about the dwindling American inventory of the missile, the Putin conversation convinced him not to support handovers of Tomahawks to Ukraine, U.S. officials said.

Reacting to the leaked Witkoff conversation with Ushakov, some Republican lawmakers called on the administration to change course. 

“This is a major problem. And one of the many reasons why these ridiculous side shows and secret meetings need to stop,” Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (R., Pa.) said on X. “Allow Secretary of State Marco Rubio to do his job in a fair and objective manner,” he said.

Rep. Don Bacon (R., Neb.), who has been critical of the Trump administration for its handling of the negotiations, said the report showed Witkoff needs to be pushed aside. Witkoff “acts like he’s on Russia’s payroll,” Bacon said. “This whole incident has been a fiasco and a blemish on our country. He needs to be fired,” he added.

Bloomberg’s report on the call—which The Wall Street Journal couldn’t independently verify—offered a potential glimpse into the origins of a 28-point peace plan that emerged in recent days and was widely viewed as friendly to Russia. 

That plan called for Ukrainian concessions known to be red lines, including giving up territory Russia hadn’t conquered, capping the size of Ukraine’s military and ruling out membership in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. 

In the call with Ushakov, Bloomberg reported, Witkoff discussed some of those concessions, alluding to Ukraine giving up all of Donetsk—a Ukrainian region that remains divided after years of brutal warfare.

“Now, me to you, I know what it’s going to take to get a peace deal done: Donetsk and maybe a land swap somewhere,” Witkoff told Ushakov, according to the Bloomberg transcript.

U.S. and Ukrainian officials have since negotiated and narrowed the plan to 19 points, with final issues to be worked out by Zelensky and Trump. Ukrainian officials have praised the progress made on the plan.

Still, the rapidly unfolding events have heaped pressure on Zelensky. The peace plan has the support of two of Trump’s most trusted foreign-policy advisers—Witkoff and the president’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, the two men credited with finalizing the Gaza cease-fire and hostage deal. Zelensky also faces a corruption scandal involving a top aide, leaving him less room to agree to a deal with 

with concessions many Ukrainians would find unpalatable. 

Earlier Tuesday, Trump said in a social-media post that he has directed Witkoff to meet with Putin in Moscow while Secretary of the Army Dan Driscoll will be meeting with the Ukrainians. “I look forward to hopefully meeting with President Zelensky and President Putin soon, but ONLY when the deal to end this War is FINAL or, in its final stages,” he added.

A separate Bloomberg report was published Tuesday about a conversation between Ushakov and Kirill Dmitriev, chief of Russia’s sovereign-wealth fund and an important broker for Putin with U.S. officials. In the call transcript, Ushakov pushed for the plan being negotiated with the Americans to take a “maximum position.” According to the transcript, Dmitriev said, “I don’t think they’ll take exactly our version, but at least it’ll be as close to it as possible.”

Dmitriev called the report fake in a social-media post.

[SaintsInDome2006 722]

26 minutes ago, shadrap said:

paywall.  can you provide the script?

Posted just above.

WSJ has another damning report, essentially reporting that Putin & Russia are paying Trump & Witkoff.

[Maximum Overkill 2,536]

19 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Putin & Russia are paying Trump & Witkoff.

Link 

[seafoam1 3,476]

2 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Link 

Here. I'll help him...

And there you have it. 

 

[Maximum Overkill 2,536]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

Here. I'll help him.

 

Exactly! 

[SaintsInDome2006 722]

3 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Link 

Make Money Not War: Trump’s Real Plan for Peace in Ukraine ~~~ The Kremlin pitched the White House on peace through business. To Europe’s dismay, the president and his envoy are on board.

[Maximum Overkill 2,536]

1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Make Money Not War: Trump’s Real Plan for Peace in Ukraine ~~~ The Kremlin pitched the White House on peace through business. To Europe’s dismay, the president and his envoy are on board.

Do you realize that nobody can open that BS link?? 

[seafoam1 3,476]

Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Make Money Not War: Trump’s Real Plan for Peace in Ukraine ~~~ The Kremlin pitched the White House on peace through business. To Europe’s dismay, the president and his envoy are on board.

You actually pay for this nonsense? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,932]

Zelensky’s chief of staff and his closest advisor resigns after his home was raided in a massive corruption scandal. Liberals missed it. 

[SaintsInDome2006 722]

14 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Do you realize that nobody can open that BS link?? 

Wow, do you realize I just went through some good deal of trouble posting the text from the last Murdoch media article? Watching the Tigers, I’ll get to it.

[Ron_Artest 2,337]

“In days after Alaska, a European intel agency distributed a hard-copy report in an envelope to some of the continent’s most senior national security officials, who were shocked by the contents: Inside were details of the commercial and economic plans the Trump admin had been pursuing with Russia.”

 

[Maximum Overkill 2,536]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

“In days after Alaska, a European intel agency distributed a hard-copy report in an envelope to some of the continent’s most senior national security officials, who were shocked by the contents: Inside were details of the commercial and economic plans the Trump admin had been pursuing with Russia.”

 

Where does it say that Trump received any payments?? You're a liar 

[Gepetto 1,464]

7 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

“In days after Alaska, a European intel agency distributed a hard-copy report in an envelope to some of the continent’s most senior national security officials, who were shocked by the contents: Inside were details of the commercial and economic plans the Trump admin had been pursuing with Russia.”

 

What do you think wars are fought for? Land and money, and power. Trump won't be taking money himself, that's a Biden thing; Trump is going to get what he can for the US of A.

[seafoam1 3,476]

7 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

What do you think wars are fought for? Land and money, and power. Trump won't be taking money himself, that's a Biden thing; Trump is going to get what he can for the US of A.

Now Biden on the other hand has self serving motives.