Boom! Disney getting canceled 🤣😅

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

I'm right here you focking idiot.  Holy sh1t

You know how movie budgets and box office works, right?  If a movie has made $470 million dollars worldwide, you know that the studios don't actually get all $470 million dollars, right?

Should I draw pictures in crayon for you? Would you understand it better then?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

I never reported you stupid.  Go away

Sure you didn't.   

[Hardcore troubadour 14,913]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

It's the 5th highest grossing movie of the year domestically. 

Lol! Domestically!! And what difference does that make if it cost more than most movies to make and market? You don’t seem to understand how PROFIT works. Idiot. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,913]

It wasn’t long ago idiots like Gutterboy and Mooney were claiming the Chinese market doesn’t matter. Chump change they said. Clowns. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

It's the 5th highest grossing movie of the year domestically. 

How much was the reported budget including marketing and how much has it grossed DOMESTICALLY?

Again, it's clear you have no idea how math, numbers and profit work.  Sit this one out.  In fact, sit ALL of them out.  You'll find yourself not getting curb-stomped all day long anymore.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

Also, @GutterBoy, before you start popping off about "Well, it got fairly good reviews so it's successful" let me remind you movie studios don't spend $390 MILLION DOLLARS on a film to just get "fairly good reviews".  They are expecting a massive profit for those expensive movies.  It's the little 10-20 million dollar art house films they look for "fairly good reviews" on and not worry too much about profit.

And let me remind you that 67% isn't considered "good" by any stretch of the imagination.  Average at best.

 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

7 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

How much was the reported budget including marketing and how much has it grossed DOMESTICALLY?

Again, it's clear you have no idea how math, numbers and profit work.  Sit this one out.  In fact, sit ALL of them out.  You'll find yourself not getting curb-stomped all day long anymore.

welcome back

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Also, @GutterBoy, before you start popping off about "Well, it got fairly good reviews so it's successful" let me remind you movie studios don't spend $390 MILLION DOLLARS on a film to just get "fairly good reviews".  They are expecting a massive profit for those expensive movies.  It's the little 10-20 million dollar art house films they look for "fairly good reviews" on and not worry too much about profit.

And let me remind you that 67% isn't considered "good" by any stretch of the imagination.  Average at best.

 

Triggered by little mermaid

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

welcome back

Thanks for confirming you don't know your head from your a$$.  I mean, curb-stomping you is so easy even a caveman could do it.

One can only assume you're a coward who can't back up his posts.  Par for the course for you. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Triggered by little mermaid

Says the guy in here defending it with a ferocity only matched by his zeal to get to the truck stop glory hole.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Says the guy in here defending it with a ferocity only matched by your zeal to get to the truck stop glory hole.

Defending it with zeal?  All I said is it did fine.  Elemental is the one that bombed.

Anyway you care too much about Disney movies.  You're raging and saying you're better looking than me for focks sake.  What's the matter with you?

[Sean Mooney 1,936]

20 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It wasn’t long ago idiots like Gutterboy and Mooney were claiming the Chinese market doesn’t matter. Chump change they said. Clowns. 

Of course that isn't exactly what was said...but HT has his narrative he has to hit.

He also wants US companies to bend the knee to China and their mentalities. I thought he was a patriot. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,913]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Defending it with zeal?  All I said is it did fine.  Elemental is the one that bombed.

Anyway you care too much about Disney movies.  You're raging and saying you're better looking than me for focks sake.  What's the matter with you?

You were the one bragging about its opening week. Couldn’t find you after that. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

5 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Defending it with zeal?  All I said is it did fine.  Elemental is the one that bombed.

Anyway you care too much about Disney movies.  You're raging and saying you're better looking than me for focks sake.  What's the matter with you?

You were asked to backup your assertion that it was successful.  By what standard are you basing that on?  Show your work.

I know you can't and so you'll try to derail the convo with something other distraction.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,913]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

Of course that isn't exactly what was said...but HT has his narrative he has to hit.

He also wants US companies to bend the knee to China and their mentalities. I thought he was a patriot. 

We were talking business. Now you want to talk about national interests. I win. You’re stupid. Thanks for playing. 

[Sean Mooney 1,936]

11 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Triggered by little mermaid

Triggered by math too. Factoring in promotional materials it was about 330-370 million to make. It has pulled in 472 million worldwide. So it will probably finish somewhere making between like 200-250 million. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You were the one bragging about its opening week. Couldn’t find you after that. 

I hadn't thought about it.  Apparently you have.

[Sean Mooney 1,936]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

We were talking business. Now you want to talk about national interests. I win. You’re stupid. Thanks for playing. 

No- you're stupid. Again- you misrepresent what I said and you were asked multiple times about why a US company should do what China wants. You never answered that and would slink away until the next time you tried to bring the thread up with your stupid arguments. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

Triggered by math too. Factoring in promotional materials it was about 330-370 million to make. It has pulled in 472 million worldwide. So it will probably finish somewhere making between like 200-250 million. 

WTF are you talking about?  Do you know how movie profits work?  Seriously?  Because what you said made no sense whatsoever.  You'll need to show your work.

[Sean Mooney 1,936]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

WTF are you talking about?  Do you know how movie profits work?  Seriously?  Because what you said made no sense whatsoever.  You'll need to show your work.

The movie budget is 250 million. The marketing budget has been reported between 100-150 million and they also signed licensing deals that equal anywhere between 40-80 million. 

Taking the most of the marketing budget and eliminating the licensing deal from it that puts you at 360 million. They've made 472 worldwide. So right now you are looking at 112 million. And again- that's low end most likely. 

That's the work. Once official numbers are known somewhere down the line one can readjust. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,913]

5 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Triggered by math too. Factoring in promotional materials it was about 330-370 million to make. It has pulled in 472 million worldwide. So it will probably finish somewhere making between like 200-250 million. 

So, how much of the 472 million does Disney get? What’s the theaters cut? I’ll hang up and listen.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

The movie budget is 250 million. The marketing budget has been reported between 100-150 million and they also signed licensing deals that equal anywhere between 40-80 million. 

Taking the most of the marketing budget and eliminating the licensing deal from it that puts you at 360 million. They've made 472 worldwide. So right now you are looking at 112 million. And again- that's low end most likely. 

That's the work. Once official numbers are known somewhere down the line one can readjust. 

It has made 472 million dollars WORLDWIDE on a budget of $390 million dollars.  The most generous of estimates say this thing needs to make 650-700 million dollars JUST  to break even.   

Where is this extra 200-250 million going to come from because right now 500 million looks to be a long shot. You realize that the studio DOES NOT  get all of that $470 million, right? Seriously, you have a HUGE hole in your logic - you think the cinemas get any part of that? Foreign governments?  And the BIGGEST foreign governments like China takes 80% of the profit.

Seriously, you really forget about that in your numbers?  How is that possible?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So, how much of the 472 million does Disney get? What’s the theaters cut? I’ll hang up and listen.  

Not just theatres, but outside of the US they get a fraction of those profits.  China alone takes 80% of the box office.

[Sean Mooney 1,936]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So, how much of the 472 million does Disney get? What’s the theaters cut? I’ll hang up and listen.  

Whoever said Disney keeps all the money- ever?

I'll hang up and listen. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

It has made 472 million dollars WORLDWIDE on a budget of $390 million dollars.  The most generous of estimates say this thing needs to make 650-700 million dollars JUST  to break even.   

Where is this extra 200-250 million going to come from because right now 500 million looks to be a long shot. You realize that the studio DOES NOT  get all of that $470 million, right? Seriously, you have a HUGE hole in your logic - you think the cinemas get any part of that? Foreign governments?  And the BIGGEST foreign governments like China takes 80% of the profit.

Seriously, you really forget about that in your numbers?  How is that possible?

https://collider.com/the-little-mermaid-global-box-office-465-million/

According to this your numbers are off.

[Sean Mooney 1,936]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

It has made 472 million dollars WORLDWIDE on a budget of $390 million dollars.  The most generous of estimates say this thing needs to make 650-700 million dollars JUST  to break even.   

Where is this extra 200-250 million going to come from because right now 500 million looks to be a long shot. You realize that the studio DOES NOT  get all of that $470 million, right? Seriously, you have a HUGE hole in your logic - you think the cinemas get any part of that? Foreign governments?  And the BIGGEST foreign governments like China takes 80% of the profit.

Seriously, you really forget about that in your numbers?  How is that possible?

Show where the budget is 390 million dollars. 

 

i also said 472 WORLDWIDE. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So, how much of the 472 million does Disney get? What’s the theaters cut? I’ll hang up and listen.  

Now this, tardcore, is a strawman.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

https://collider.com/the-little-mermaid-global-box-office-465-million/

According to this your numbers are off.

I pulled my numbers from box office mojo. Did you even read your article? 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

Show where the budget is 390 million dollars. 

 

i also said 472 WORLDWIDE. 

$250 million budget + $190 million Marketing = $390 million.  Do you not know how math works?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,913]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Not just theatres, but outside of the US they get a fraction of those profits.  China alone takes 80% of the box office.

According to dumb and dumber, China is not a significant market. Or really bad people. I can’t keep up with the idiots. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I pulled my numbers from box office mojo. Did you even read your article? 

There is nothing there that says they need 700m to break even.  You made that up.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,913]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Now this, tardcore, is a strawman.

Sure it is. How does a guy with a minor in finance not know how profit is calculated? 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

According to dumb and dumber, China is not a significant market. Or really bad people. I can’t keep up with the idiots. 

It's not just China, though.  All other foreigh governments take a huge share of the profits in their own countries.  If it grosses $212 overseas Disney probably gets 30 or 40% of that profit at most.  And that might be generous.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,913]

Disney got to it’s former heights by capturing overseas markets, notably China. It never gets back to where it was without them. Welcome to globalism you Fockin idiots.  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Sure it is. How does a guy with a minor in finance not know how profit is calculated? 

I know how profit is calculated, blart.

Another strawman.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,913]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

It's not just China, though.  All other foreigh governments take a huge share of the profits in their own countries.  If it grosses $212 overseas Disney probably gets 30 or 40% of that profit at most.  And that might be generous.

Don’t tell those idiots those facts. They are busy having a meltdown. It’s glorious. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Don’t tell those idiots those facts. They are busy having a meltdown. It’s glorious. 

Yeah we're having the meltdown

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,828]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

I know how profit is calculated, blart.

Another strawman.

You clearly don't.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/disney-set-to-lose-millions-as-the-little-mermaid-tanks/ar-AA1c9dWq

This one piece here says it needs 800 million so, you're right, I was about 100-150 million dollars UNDER. The problem is you're moving the goal posts trying to find every excuse under the sun and making things up so your princess movie looks good.

You literally have no idea what your talking about and how movie budgets, box office and profits work.  You literally think Disney is getting all $472 million dollars. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,913]

5 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I know how profit is calculated, blart.

Another strawman.

Like I have pointed out here numerous times, you seem to think not  having access to the largest market in the Fockin world, that Disney has made boatloads on, won’t have a significant affect on profits. It’s right in this thread. I’m bored with beating you and the other moron over your thick skulls with it. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,913]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

You clearly don't.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/disney-set-to-lose-millions-as-the-little-mermaid-tanks/ar-AA1c9dWq

This one piece here says it needs 800 million so, you're right, I was about 100-150 million dollars UNDER. The problem is you're moving the goal posts trying to find every excuse under the sun and making things up so your princess movie looks good.

You literally have no idea what your talking about and how movie budgets, box office and profits work.  You literally think Disney is getting all $472 million dollars. 

Yup. That’s what him and Mooney were trotting out there. It’s funny.