Minor attracted persons

[BuckSwope 654]

8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I did expect enough push back on things such as this to impede its further action.  I am a little surprised that there is not a more emphatic opposition to pedophilia. 

Here is the exact problem with posters like ones around here claiming pedo with everything.  

I think you will have 0 opposition with people having an emphatic opposition to pedophilia on its definition- attraction to prepubescent kids.   Problem is now you have people calling others pedos for all sorts of random stuff, and you get people "defending" that stuff not in that they are always in favor of that activity, but because it's ignorant to call them pedos and groomers.  

I also believe culturally, because it's the law, people attracted to 17 and 16 year old are largely treated in the same bucket as a true pedo, and it could be argued that might not always be so cut and dry. 

[RLLD 4,281]

7 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Here is the exact problem with posters like ones around here claiming pedo with everything.  

I think you will have 0 opposition with people having an emphatic opposition to pedophilia on its definition- attraction to prepubescent kids.   Problem is now you have people calling others pedos for all sorts of random stuff, and you get people "defending" that stuff not in that they are always in favor of that activity, but because it's ignorant to call them pedos and groomers.  

I also believe culturally, because it's the law, people attracted to 17 and 16 year old are largely treated in the same bucket as a true pedo, and it could be argued that might not always be so cut and dry. 

Not sure I agree.  I mean, there is a general attribution of racism to everything... of transphobia to everything....of misogyny to everything.....

Why is this method of attribution acceptable for those instances, but not pedophilia? 

[craftsman 1,045]

21 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Like the lib that talked about the zillions of hot 17 year olds?  Oh, wait.  

 

Yes, in a way your post should help people understand.  Often the terms are terrible and they draw negative attention, but at the core I think the point is this crap is blurry and random.  A 19 year old dating a 17 year old is different than a 30 year old dating one is different than that 19 year old dating a 15 year old.  Being attracted to someone is different than acting on it or having sex with them.  On and on. 

Just like defund the police was a dumb ass term and many people thought of it as restructuring the departments if you actually took the time to converse with them, this was a dumb term but my impression was that it was an attempt to make a distinction between sick tools with kiddie porn on their computers and a 19 year old who might like 16 or 17 year olds.    

 

What are you rambling on about? Who dated who at what age again?

You are a mess dude. Is your gout acting up again? 

[BuckSwope 654]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Not sure I agree.  I mean, there is a general attribution of racism to everything... of transphobia to everything....of misogyny to everything.....

Why is this method of attribution acceptable for those instances, but not pedophilia? 

Hint: it's not. 

It's equally as stupid to apply the racism handle too broadly as well as your other examples.  

But, this is life in the age of social media- everything has to be taken to extreme for clicks, likes, and to stand out more from the other nuts.  

[RLLD 4,281]

1 minute ago, BuckSwope said:

Hint: it's not. 

It's equally as stupid to apply the racism handle too broadly as well as your other examples.  

But, this is life in the age of social media- everything has to be taken to extreme for clicks, likes, and to stand out more from the other nuts.  

I hope you might see why this can be confusing.  I see this approach as being the accepted way to view things, and then when I use it I am told its wrong. Meanwhile, I do not see it being challenged anywhere. This is rather frustrating.

I think pedophilia is being normalized and I prefer it not be, still. 

[Hawkeye21 2,457]

9 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I hope you might see why this can be confusing.  I see this approach as being the accepted way to view things, and then when I use it I am told its wrong. Meanwhile, I do not see it being challenged anywhere. This is rather frustrating.

I think pedophilia is being normalized and I prefer it not be, still. 

What percentage of the US do you think is normalizing pedophilia?  Do you think a large amount of people find pedophilia to be accectible now?

[RLLD 4,281]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

What percentage of the US do you think is normalizing pedophilia?  Do you think a large amount of people find pedophilia to be accectible now?

I would not be able to suggest. What I do see is the rising tide of terms such as the one starting this thread as well as some really unacceptable exposure of children to advanced sexual situations.

Taken individually or in small amounts is as unacceptable as larger amounts.

You asked the question and I would like to expand on it.  Given your search for a percentage, is there some amount/percentage you are willing to accept?  What level of "acceptance" might you suggest we should be willing to endure as a society? Should my children be part of that % or should yours instead?

[Hawkeye21 2,457]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I would not be able to suggest. What I do see is the rising tide of terms such as the one starting this thread as well as some really unacceptable exposure of children to advanced sexual situations.

Taken individually or in small amounts is as unacceptable as larger amounts.

You asked the question and I would like to expand on it.  Given your search for a percentage, is there some amount/percentage you are willing to accept?  What level of "acceptance" might you suggest we should be willing to endure as a society? Should my children be part of that % or should yours instead?

I'm not sure there is an acceptable percentage but I know it will never be zero.  I don't think it's really being that "normalized" to a great extent to be honest.

[Raven Fan 362]

7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I would not be able to suggest. What I do see is the rising tide of terms such as the one starting this thread as well as some really unacceptable exposure of children to advanced sexual situations.

Taken individually or in small amounts is as unacceptable as larger amounts.

You asked the question and I would like to expand on it.  Given your search for a percentage, is there some amount/percentage you are willing to accept?  What level of "acceptance" might you suggest we should be willing to endure as a society? Should my children be part of that % or should yours instead?

What in the world?  Did you actually compare calling people pedos to be called racist and homophobes?  And you believe these two labels are equivalent?

This is why I have such problems with conservatives.  You all take the most horrific and vile parts of human behavior and try to ascribe them to the "other side" based on a few pics of horrible nutjobs that has ZERO to do with leftist ideology or conservative ideology for that matter.

As I have posted many times, CONSERVATIVE organizations are the only ones to have shown to have systemic abuse of kids for decades, with cover ups, and with CONSERVATIVES still supporting those orgs.  Yet liberals don't label conservatives pedos though the tag is much more appropriate looking through history than conservatives applying it to liberas.

Wake up dude, you're a GIANT part of the problem.  It's one thing to call each other uneducated, stuck in the past, looney for climate change, too accepting of different kinds of lifestyles, etc.

But calling anyone who's not been found to be a pedo a pedo is vile and completely inappropriate. 

[RLLD 4,281]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I'm not sure there is an acceptable percentage but I know it will never be zero.  I don't think it's really being that "normalized" to a great extent to be honest.

I might concur that "to a great extent" as a measure has not been met.

What I have observed thus far concerns me enough to induce me to say, I think that is enough.   Teachers introducing this in schools cannot be viewed as isolated, given the distribution of the activities.  

[RLLD 4,281]

Just now, Raven Fan said:

What in the world?  Did you actually compare calling people pedos to be called racist and homophobes?  And you believe these two labels are equivalent?

This is why I have such problems with conservatives.  You all take the most horrific and vile parts of human behavior and try to ascribe them to the "other side" based on a few pics of horrible nutjobs that has ZERO to do with leftist ideology or conservative ideology for that matter.

As I have posted many times, CONSERVATIVE organizations are the only ones to have shown to have systemic abuse of kids for decades, with cover ups, and with CONSERVATIVES still supporting those orgs.  Yet liberals don't label conservatives pedos though the tag is much more appropriate looking through history than conservatives applying it to liberas.

Wake up dude, you're a GIANT part of the problem.  It's one thing to call each other uneducated, stuck in the past, looney for climate change, too accepting of different kinds of lifestyles, etc.

But calling anyone who's not been found to be a pedo a pedo is vile and completely inappropriate. 

What in the world?  Did you actually compare calling people pedos to be called racist and homophobes?  And you believe these two labels are equivalent?
I did.  And I stand by that. It is not the monikers involved, it is the logic behind it

 

This is why I have such problems with conservatives.  You all take the most horrific and vile parts of human behavior and try to ascribe them to the "other side" based on a few pics of horrible nutjobs that has ZERO to do with leftist ideology or conservative ideology for that matter.
I understand that sentiment, having watching this happen to white males for a number of years now. I relate. 

 

As I have posted many times, CONSERVATIVE organizations are the only ones to have shown to have systemic abuse of kids for decades, with cover ups, and with CONSERVATIVES still supporting those orgs.  Yet liberals don't label conservatives pedos though the tag is much more appropriate looking through history than conservatives applying it to liberas.
I think there are ample examples as you have noted, and I think reducing the discussion to liberals and conservatives is a short-sighted way of looking at the issue.

 

Wake up dude, you're a GIANT part of the problem.  It's one thing to call each other uneducated, stuck in the past, looney for climate change, too accepting of different kinds of lifestyles, etc.
That is a curious assertion. You do not "know" me or my actions aside from posting here. It is a rather substantial leap to begin to make these assertions and indicative of the immature posture you have, and continue to, present. 

 

But calling anyone who's not been found to be a pedo a pedo is vile and completely inappropriate.
Perhaps you are correct on this one.  And yet, I see people being painted with the brush of racism, white supremacy and transphobia etc on the same level of content. I might suggest that I am simply following along with the acceptable practice of painting someone based on little to no evidence. 

[Shooter McGavin 618]

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I might suggest that I am simply following along with the acceptable practice of painting someone based on little to no evidence. 

This is what bothers me the most.  The people that do this, you recognize that it's sh1tty behavior, and yet you do it anyway, because the other side does it.  That's why the world sucks.  Be better.  Be the change you want to see.  You want to see more people treated with respect, then treat people with respect.  You want to see people stop throwing around dumb labels based on nothing, then stop doing it with the pedo stuff.  Be better.  Challenge yourself to be a better person.

[RLLD 4,281]

3 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

This is what bothers me the most.  The people that do this, you recognize that it's sh1tty behavior, and yet you do it anyway, because the other side does it.  That's why the world sucks.  Be better.  Be the change you want to see.  You want to see more people treated with respect, then treat people with respect.  You want to see people stop throwing around dumb labels based on nothing, then stop doing it with the pedo stuff.  Be better.  Challenge yourself to be a better person.

I concur.  But there is no cessation to the behaviors.  Therefore, to be "the better person" is to operate at a distinct disadvantage. If it were true that the method you correctly call out worked, it would be true that we would not see the rising acceptance of mental illness and bad behaviors.

We can conduct ourselves better in a practical manner. And we should.  And I hope I do.

But the truth, IMHO, is that liberalism as practiced today is rife with hypocrisy.  It allows bad behavior for some, while holding others emphatically accountable. The behavior is profoundly narcissistic and needs to be met head on with reciprocity. Showing those who are so eager to put upon others what if feels like to be put upon is not an approach that is far outside of acceptable., 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,010]

11 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

This is what bothers me the most.  The people that do this, you recognize that it's sh1tty behavior, and yet you do it anyway, because the other side does it.  That's why the world sucks.  Be better.  Be the change you want to see.  You want to see more people treated with respect, then treat people with respect.  You want to see people stop throwing around dumb labels based on nothing, then stop doing it with the pedo stuff.  Be better.  Challenge yourself to be a better person.

Slow clap. So touching. A tear. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,010]

Yeah, the big issue here is the name calling.  Not the increasing and widespread sexualization of young kids. GTFO. You make excuses for this sick shite? Too bad. 

[Raven Fan 362]

24 minutes ago, RLLD said:

This is why I have such problems with conservatives.  You all take the most horrific and vile parts of human behavior and try to ascribe them to the "other side" based on a few pics of horrible nutjobs that has ZERO to do with leftist ideology or conservative ideology for that matter.
I understand that sentiment, having watching this happen to white males for a number of years now. I relate. 

 

lol now you're suggesting white males, who dominate every single aspect of society, are somehow discriminated against or at some other disadvantage?

Holy crap the constant looking to be a victim from conservatives is rather pathetic.  Again, white men DOMINATE EVERY aspect of life.  Political, business, higher learning, finance, everything.

Exactly where are we at a disadvantage other than getting into some colleges?

SMH...SMH

[Shooter McGavin 618]

13 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I concur.  But there is no cessation to the behaviors.  Therefore, to be "the better person" is to operate at a distinct disadvantage. If it were true that the method you correctly call out worked, it would be true that we would not see the rising acceptance of mental illness and bad behaviors.

We can conduct ourselves better in a practical manner. And we should.  And I hope I do.

But the truth, IMHO, is that liberalism as practiced today is rife with hypocrisy.  It allows bad behavior for some, while holding others emphatically accountable. The behavior is profoundly narcissistic and needs to be met head on with reciprocity. Showing those who are so eager to put upon others what if feels like to be put upon is not an approach that is far outside of acceptable., 

So they won't stop doing it, so you must do it to them, because they won't stop doing it, so you must do it back again, and they still won't stop, so you keep doing it.....

I hope some day you see the error in your logic.

[RLLD 4,281]

1 minute ago, Raven Fan said:

lol now you're suggesting white males, who dominate every single aspect of society, are somehow discriminated against or at some other disadvantage?

Holy crap the constant looking to be a victim from conservatives is rather pathetic.  Again, white men DOMINATE EVERY aspect of life.  Political, business, higher learning, finance, everything.

Exactly where are we at a disadvantage other than getting into some colleges?

SMH...SMH

I did not suggest white males are discriminated or at some disadvantage. Nor would I further suggest that it would be acceptable to do so to them. If it is true that white males are being called "toxic" are assigned negative connotations based on their gender or skin color i think we can all accept that it is wrong to do so, regardless of their position in society. 

Victim mentality is not confined to political affiliation. I think reducing the discussion to liberals and conservatives is a short-sighted way of looking at the issue.

I think your fixation on placement in society as some sort of allowance for racist behavior does not fit.  Right now you might be ok with it, but what if that logic turns on you?

[RLLD 4,281]

2 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

So they won't stop doing it, so you must do it to them, because they won't stop doing it, so you must do it back again, and they still won't stop, so you keep doing it.....

I hope some day you see the error in your logic.

I accept the error in my logic.  But to sit back and allow it to just happen is not acceptable as well. I will not commit violence so I am left with mirroring the behaviors in the hope that at some point those doing it might see it from another perspective and elect to stop it. 

[jerryskids 7,185]

1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

Yes, in a way your post should help people understand.  Often the terms are terrible and they draw negative attention, but at the core I think the point is this crap is blurry and random.  A 19 year old dating a 17 year old is different than a 30 year old dating one is different than that 19 year old dating a 15 year old.  Being attracted to someone is different than acting on it or having sex with them.  On and on.  

Agree with this.  Culturally, we've arbitrarily selected 18 as the age of adulthood.  One can always argue the appropriate number, but it is important for society to have SOME starting age for the protection of children.  a go/no-go for pron participation for instance.  But to your point, the younger the kid the more heinous the crime, and similar for the age difference.  Brief allegory:  when I was 16 I dated a girl whose "boyfriend" before me was 31.  I thought that was whack back then and still do.  Not surprisingly, she developed relationship issues and turned into a total slut in college.  

Anyway, back to the absolute age:  from an evolutionary perspective, men are motivated to procreate with young women, who are at their most fertile and healthy to carry a child to term.  Which brings us to your comment regarding attraction vs. action.  If I think a young woman is attractive and then learn she is 17, I don't feel bad.  I certainly would never act on it though.  People who have sex with pre-pubescents though... that's not evolutionary, that is a disgusting sickness.

[Raven Fan 362]

 

7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I did not suggest white males are discriminated or at some disadvantage. Nor would I further suggest that it would be acceptable to do so to them. If it is true that white males are being called "toxic" are assigned negative connotations based on their gender or skin color i think we can all accept that it is wrong to do so, regardless of their position in society. 

Victim mentality is not confined to political affiliation. I think reducing the discussion to liberals and conservatives is a short-sighted way of looking at the issue.

I think your fixation on placement in society as some sort of allowance for racist behavior does not fit.  Right now you might be ok with it, but what if that logic turns on you?

Here's your quote:  This is why I have such problems with conservatives.  You all take the most horrific and vile parts of human behavior and try to ascribe them to the "other side" based on a few pics of horrible nutjobs that has ZERO to do with leftist ideology or conservative ideology for that matter.
I understand that sentiment, having watching this happen to white males for a number of years now. I relate. 

What have you watched happen to white men for a number of years now?  

You know white men who dominate every aspect of society?  What exactly has been happening to us for years?

[BuckSwope 654]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

I hope you might see why this can be confusing.  I see this approach as being the accepted way to view things, and then when I use it I am told its wrong. Meanwhile, I do not see it being challenged anywhere. This is rather frustrating.

I think pedophilia is being normalized and I prefer it not be, still. 

Interesting, what I see more is an attitude that resembles "but they do it with ______" type thinking.  

Example: I see people on the right constantly complaining, and rightfully so, that everything is racism.  The word has lost all meaning when it applies to white supremacists and to jokes or other innocent things.  

So, instead not doing the same thing and using common sense, these same people largely have ramped up similar tactics with this word.  I now see pedo applied to dudes with kiddie porn to damn near any liberal.  Again, the word has basically lost all meaning.  

Not sure who is telling you this is an accepted way to view things besides kooks online. 

[RLLD 4,281]

16 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

 

Here's your quote:  This is why I have such problems with conservatives.  You all take the most horrific and vile parts of human behavior and try to ascribe them to the "other side" based on a few pics of horrible nutjobs that has ZERO to do with leftist ideology or conservative ideology for that matter.
I understand that sentiment, having watching this happen to white males for a number of years now. I relate. 

What have you watched happen to white men for a number of years now?  

You know white men who dominate every aspect of society?  What exactly has been happening to us for years?

That some take the most horrific and vile parts of human behavior and try to ascribe them to the "other side" based on a few pics of horrible nutjobs that has ZERO to do with who they really are. 

By your logic then, if it becomes true that Hispanics achieve success I can then speak badly of them and assign negative connotations to them based on their gender and appearance. I suggest that it is never OK to do so, regardless of those factors outside of their control. 

I surmise this is the case given the way Asians have been maligned at liberal institutions of learned.  Success is equated to evil and therefore you can do as you please to them based on gender and race.

[RLLD 4,281]

13 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Interesting, what I see more is an attitude that resembles "but they do it with ______" type thinking.  

Example: I see people on the right constantly complaining, and rightfully so, that everything is racism.  The word has lost all meaning when it applies to white supremacists and to jokes or other innocent things.  

So, instead not doing the same thing and using common sense, these same people largely have ramped up similar tactics with this word.  I now see pedo applied to dudes with kiddie porn to damn near any liberal.  Again, the word has basically lost all meaning.  

Not sure who is telling you this is an accepted way to view things besides kooks online. 

A thoughtful response, thank you.  I think the discussion is complex and warrants considerable back and forth.  

[Raven Fan 362]

7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

That some take the most horrific and vile parts of human behavior and try to ascribe them to the "other side" based on a few pics of horrible nutjobs that has ZERO to do with who they really are. 

By your logic then, if it becomes true that Hispanics achieve success I can then speak badly of them and assign negative connotations to them based on their gender and appearance. I suggest that it is never OK to do so, regardless of those factors outside of their control. 

I surmise this is the case given the way Asians have been maligned at liberal institutions of learned.  Success is equated to evil and therefore you can do as you please to them based on gender and race.

No idea what you're going on about.  YOU brought up whites in this regard.  What exactly has been happening to white men that I missed?

Are you referring to Charlottesville or something? 

[RLLD 4,281]

Just now, Raven Fan said:

No idea what you're going on about.  YOU brought up whites in this regard.  What exactly has been happening to white men that I missed?

Are you referring to Charlottesville or something? 

I believe I have explained the point rather well, I do not follow where you have not kept up.  Perhaps, and this is just a suggestion, if you stopped behaving as if a petulant toddler and discussed the topic in good faith then the results might better meet your expectations. 

[Shooter McGavin 618]

33 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I accept the error in my logic.  But to sit back and allow it to just happen is not acceptable as well. I will not commit violence so I am left with mirroring the behaviors in the hope that at some point those doing it might see it from another perspective and elect to stop it. 

And how is that working out for you?  Are they stopping?

You probably don't realize this, but they are saying the same thing about you.  They see your side acting like a bunch of ass holes, and are mirroring your behavior.

Obviously what your doing doesn't help anything, so I would again challenge you to take a look at yourself and see if a change in your behavior is warranted.  If we all did this the world would be a better place.

[RLLD 4,281]

7 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

And how is that working out for you?  Are they stopping?

You probably don't realize this, but they are saying the same thing about you.  They see your side acting like a bunch of ass holes, and are mirroring your behavior.

Obviously what your doing doesn't help anything, so I would again challenge you to take a look at yourself and see if a change in your behavior is warranted.  If we all did this the world would be a better place.

I think it is odd to suggest that how I conduct my life would sway a group of people in any way.  I might further suggest that hihglighting it here is at least invoke conversation around it, and in that regard I think there is value. 

Have I always felt this way? No. It was a learned response to the behaviors arising from the left-leaning folks in this nation. I am meeting them where they are. 

I am happy to revisit the behaviors of others back on to them. I cannot "force" them to see outside of their onw bubble, but I can illuminate it and hope that perhaps and just maybe... they pause, and consider their own behavior being mirrored back on to them.

If instead, they are kind and thoughtful and deal in good faith then we can find common ground, and still have things about which we disagree but the hate need not be there. 

It could be that with folks such as yourself facing that mirror, and not liking it and then demanding that others change.....perhaps you can start with you. 

[Shooter McGavin 618]

36 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think it is odd to suggest that how I conduct my life would sway a group of people in any way.  I might further suggest that hihglighting it here is at least invoke conversation around it, and in that regard I think there is value. 

Have I always felt this way? No. It was a learned response to the behaviors arising from the left-leaning folks in this nation. I am meeting them where they are. 

I am happy to revisit the behaviors of others back on to them. I cannot "force" them to see outside of their onw bubble, but I can illuminate it and hope that perhaps and just maybe... they pause, and consider their own behavior being mirrored back on to them.

If instead, they are kind and thoughtful and deal in good faith then we can find common ground, and still have things about which we disagree but the hate need not be there. 

It could be that with folks such as yourself facing that mirror, and not liking it and then demanding that others change.....perhaps you can start with you. 

I'm way ahead of you.

[Raven Fan 362]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

I believe I have explained the point rather well, I do not follow where you have not kept up.  Perhaps, and this is just a suggestion, if you stopped behaving as if a petulant toddler and discussed the topic in good faith then the results might better meet your expectations. 

You really haven't.  Not at all.

And it's funny you refer to me as a petulant child when you see racism and color and MSM spin behind every single tragedy that occurs.

Weird how the MSM hasn't called the pedo, conservative, cop killing dude MAGA isn't it?  Doesn't that simply destroy your narrative about the MSM wanting to call every bad act MAGA or the work of the evil white man?

I suggest you take a break from the news and get out and talk to people.  You are much further apart in your stereotypes and labels from most regular people than you imagine. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,010]

All cops are Republicans? Even the ones that quit after a few months? Not my experience, but hey, could be. 

[RLLD 4,281]

7 minutes ago, Raven Fan said:

You really haven't.  Not at all.

And it's funny you refer to me as a petulant child when you see racism and color and MSM spin behind every single tragedy that occurs.

Weird how the MSM hasn't called the pedo, conservative, cop killing dude MAGA isn't it?  Doesn't that simply destroy your narrative about the MSM wanting to call every bad act MAGA or the work of the evil white man?

I suggest you take a break from the news and get out and talk to people.  You are much further apart in your stereotypes and labels from most regular people than you imagine. 

I surmise that we can agree to disagree.