**2023 Masters Thread**

[Cruzer 1,995]

12 hours ago, Bert said:

You have forgotten more about golf than I will ever know but I disagree with you on this one.  Rahm played phenomenal golf without question, but Koepka went 22 consecutive holes without a birdie on Sunday.  Only 12 of the 53 players shot worse than Koepka in the final round.  

Rahm went 12 holes without a birdie himself.......  Rahm didn't have a single birdie after the 8th hole in the 3rd round - a hole in which they both birdied. In fact, they both shot 2 over 38s on the back of the 3rd round, both posted 73s. 

Koepka didn't play well in the 4th round, no doubt. But to lose a 4 shot lead over 18 holes, I don't see as the choke you do. Brooks didn't have a single meltdown hole, didn't blow a 2nd shot into the greenside bunker on the 72nd hole and take double a la Norman in '86 or Palmer in '61, no Van de Velde's - he just couldn't make a putt, didn't get it done. I tend to credit Rahm for the incredible putts he made on Sunday, credit Rahm for the amazing birdies he made on 8 and 14, credit Rahm for the grit he showed that Brooks couldn't match. 

It was one of the best Masters I've ever seen, I loved the adversity and the welcomed the drama. I'm very glad for Rahm, I don't want an asterisk by his name. 

[listen2me 23 1,827]

Choke is maybe too strong of a word.  He didn't melt down.   But he didn't really show up for the 4th round.  Just watched as Rahm caught up and passed him and made nothing happen.  It would be one thing if he lost his lead and Rahm beat him in the end.  But he got multiple strokes down fairly early and it felt he was never going to come back.   Rahm caught him passed him and was actually able to put it in cruise control.  

He dropped the ball and didn't show up in the 4th round.  

[Bert 1,128]

19 hours ago, Cruzer said:

Rahm went 12 holes without a birdie himself.......  Rahm didn't have a single birdie after the 8th hole in the 3rd round - a hole in which they both birdied. In fact, they both shot 2 over 38s on the back of the 3rd round, both posted 73s. 

Koepka didn't play well in the 4th round, no doubt. But to lose a 4 shot lead over 18 holes, I don't see as the choke you do. Brooks didn't have a single meltdown hole, didn't blow a 2nd shot into the greenside bunker on the 72nd hole and take double a la Norman in '86 or Palmer in '61, no Van de Velde's - he just couldn't make a putt, didn't get it done. I tend to credit Rahm for the incredible putts he made on Sunday, credit Rahm for the amazing birdies he made on 8 and 14, credit Rahm for the grit he showed that Brooks couldn't match. 

It was one of the best Masters I've ever seen, I loved the adversity and the welcomed the drama. I'm very glad for Rahm, I don't want an asterisk by his name. 

There is no asterisk by Rahm's name.  He was given an opportunity and took advantage of it by playing great golf.  Rahm didn't put up a round like Phil or Spieth.  If Koepka doesn't go twice as long as Rahm without a birdie and doesn't get out played by 35 of the 52 players in the final round Rahm's performance would have been a solid second place finish.  

I agree it was a great masters.  Can you imagine if Koepka had put up a middle of the pack performance?  It would have come down to the last two holes. 

[Cruzer 1,995]

4 hours ago, Bert said:

There is no asterisk by Rahm's name.  He was given an opportunity and took advantage of it by playing great golf.  Rahm didn't put up a round like Phil or Spieth.  If Koepka doesn't go twice as long as Rahm without a birdie and doesn't get out played by 35 of the 52 players in the final round Rahm's performance would have been a solid second place finish.  

I agree it was a great masters.  Can you imagine if Koepka had put up a middle of the pack performance?  It would have come down to the last two holes. 

You seem obsessed with birdie counts and dry streaks....... Ok - including the birdies from the 3rd rd completion and the 4th rd, all birdies made Sunday in total - Rahm had 2 more than Koepka (6 to 4). Call me crazy, dry run or not, I don't call that a beat down.................... which included Rahm's own dry spell of no birdies, 2 over par 38 that he posted wrapping up his 3rd rd back nine (matching Koepka). 

Brooks didn't have it in the 4th rd, at all. Coming off just now getting healthy, coming off playing in the beer league - he looked to have run out of juice. It happens, 4 shot leads are nothing over 18 holes at Augusta.............. If you want to call it a choke, your call. I couldn't disagree more. 

 

[Bert 1,128]

10 hours ago, Cruzer said:

You seem obsessed with birdie counts and dry streaks....... Ok - including the birdies from the 3rd rd completion and the 4th rd, all birdies made Sunday in total - Rahm had 2 more than Koepka (6 to 4). Call me crazy, dry run or not, I don't call that a beat down.................... which included Rahm's own dry spell of no birdies, 2 over par 38 that he posted wrapping up his 3rd rd back nine (matching Koepka). 

Brooks didn't have it in the 4th rd, at all. Coming off just now getting healthy, coming off playing in the beer league - he looked to have run out of juice. It happens, 4 shot leads are nothing over 18 holes at Augusta.............. If you want to call it a choke, your call. I couldn't disagree more. 

 

Don't call it a choke, fine.  Not sure what to call it when you get out played by 8 strokes in 27 holes.

Saying Koepka chocked doesn't take anything away from Rahm.  I am very happy for Rahm he earned the win by playing great golf.  The only thing that would have been better was if Koepka went full on Houston Oilers like Norman and Molinari in 2019.   

[edjr 6,578]

I think Koepka started to feel what a win would mean for the golfing world and he folded. That is a choke. 

[bostonlager 2,664]

8 minutes ago, edjr said:

I think Koepka started to feel what a win would mean for the golfing world and he folded. That is a choke. 

After round 1 FanDuel was offering him at +4600 to win the PGA Championship so I put down $50. They are already offering me to cash out $106. Do I take the quick double up or let it ride?

[edjr 6,578]

Just now, bostonlager said:

After round 1 FanDuel was offering him at +4600 to win the PGA Championship so I put down $50. They are already offering me to cash out $106. Do I take the quick double up or let it ride?

I assume $50 won't make it move. LET IT RIDE!

[WhiteWonder 2,679]

On 4/11/2023 at 7:43 AM, listen2me 23 said:

Choke is maybe too strong of a word.  He didn't melt down.   But he didn't really show up for the 4th round.  Just watched as Rahm caught up and passed him and made nothing happen.  It would be one thing if he lost his lead and Rahm beat him in the end.  But he got multiple strokes down fairly early and it felt he was never going to come back.   Rahm caught him passed him and was actually able to put it in cruise control.  

He dropped the ball and didn't show up in the 4th round.  

Thing is, big game brooks hasn’t been around for a while. I think it was more shocking how he played rounds 1-3 to even be in that position. He would not have been my LIV guy of choice to be closest to winning. 

[WhiteWonder 2,679]

4 hours ago, bostonlager said:

After round 1 FanDuel was offering him at +4600 to win the PGA Championship so I put down $50. They are already offering me to cash out $106. Do I take the quick double up or let it ride?

Take the 100% profit 

[WhiteWonder 2,679]

On 4/5/2023 at 2:54 PM, edjr said:

Finau had like 7 kids with him. 

It's easy to be a father for 10 kids when you're never around

Now we know why Tony didn’t jump to LIV  

[WhiteWonder 2,679]

On 4/10/2023 at 12:57 AM, Cruzer said:

 

I appear to be in the minority, nothing new - have been my whole life........but I'm a big Koepka fan. The dude is his own man, not some fake as parrot like Rory. He didn't get it done, it happens - but to say Brooks gagged this away is a huge discredit to Rahm - that dude played phenomenal golf, he went out and won it. 

Koepka is a d bag. But like you, I respected that he was not fake… until I saw Full Swing and realized his tough guy, loner, doesn’t care act is just that… all an act. Fake as can be. 

[bostonlager 2,664]

8 hours ago, edjr said:

I assume $50 won't make it move. LET IT RIDE!

 

4 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

Koepka is a d bag. But like you, I respected that he was not fake… until I saw Full Swing and realized his tough guy, loner, doesn’t care act is just that… all an act. Fake as can be. 

I'm letting it ride. 

[Cruzer 1,995]

On 4/12/2023 at 9:31 AM, Bert said:

Don't call it a choke, fine.  Not sure what to call it when you get out played by 8 strokes in 27 holes.

Saying Koepka chocked doesn't take anything away from Rahm.  I am very happy for Rahm he earned the win by playing great golf.  The only thing that would have been better was if Koepka went full on Houston Oilers like Norman and Molinari in 2019.   

1998, Olympic Club........ Start of final rd Payne held a 4 shot lead, was 5 ahead of Janzen...... Have you ever heard anyone, ever, say Payne choked that US Open away? No, you haven't, stop...... All we heard about, the only thing still talked about today - the "sand-filled divot". 

Never mind Payne was more over to par than Brooks in their final rds, never mind Payne mustered only 1 birdie that final rd (to Janzen's 4) never mind both Rahm and Janzen shot 2 of the best rds of the entire final rd field.................. Brooks is deemed to have choked and no mention of Payne. 

I've seen what Brooks normally does when holding a lead in the final rd of a major - dude has 4 in the bank, he's normally a closer. He flat out didn't have it that Sunday - it happens. I honestly think the lack of regular tour play stamina and him just now getting healthy had a lot to do with it..........but I take nothing away from Jon.  Like I said, I think you do a grave disservice to Rahm for his incredible play. 

[bostonlager 2,664]

On 4/12/2023 at 11:56 AM, bostonlager said:

After round 1 FanDuel was offering him at +4600 to win the PGA Championship so I put down $50. They are already offering me to cash out $106. Do I take the quick double up or let it ride?

Offering me $478 now. 
 

im letting it ride 

[bostonlager 2,664]

$695 now. Fock off - let it ride 

[Reality 3,100]

On 4/12/2023 at 9:31 AM, Bert said:

Don't call it a choke, fine.  Not sure what to call it when you get out played by 8 strokes in 27 holes.

Saying Koepka chocked doesn't take anything away from Rahm.  I am very happy for Rahm he earned the win by playing great golf.  The only thing that would have been better was if Koepka went full on Houston Oilers like Norman and Molinari in 2019.   

Literally won the next major. All-time response from 'choking' The Master's with a 2nd place finish.

[edjr 6,578]

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Top Ten:

1. Rory McIlroy- Missed cut

2. Jon Rahm- Winner

3. Patrick Cantlay- T14

4. Max Homa- T43 

5. Scottie Scheffler- T10

6. Jason Day- T39

7. Justin Thomas- Missed cut

8.  Kurt Kitayama- Missed cut

9. Jordan Spieth- T4

10. Cameron Smith-  T34

 

Has anyone ever taken the time to go back and grade a fumble golf thread?

[Fumbleweed 516]

Just now, edjr said:

Has anyone ever taken the time to go back and grade a fumble golf thread?

I've had highs and lows...