Sound of Freedom

[GutterBoy 2,898]

9 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Based on a true story. Calls attention to these facts:

5000x increase in child pornography on the internet since 2015

Child sex trafficking is a 150 billion dollar a year industry that has surpassed drug trafficking.  

You shouldn't see it though for the reasons I've already listed. 

I don't think they are "facts" but happy to see your sources.

And even if true, watching this movie does nothing to help any of that.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

48 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Streamed it last night. 

 

Wouldn't even pay to see it, what a douche

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Also said this numerous times, I have nothing against the movie itself, I haven't see it, I won't see it.

My problems are, it's not a true story, it's very very loosely based.  The guy behind it is a grifter, who started his charity to help kids but hasn't done much help.  The lead actor is a Q Anon fruit cake who thinks people steal kids to drink their blood.  The marketing has promoted harmful conspiracy theories.

So yes, human trafficking is a big problem, but this movie uses it to take advantage of people, not help the cause.

[League Champion 1,909]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

but this movie uses it to take advantage of people, not help the cause.

TRIGGERED

[BuckSwope 654]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Wouldn't even pay to see it, what a douche

I was going to call that out too, assuming he meant he didn't pay for it.  I haven't seen it pop up to rent yet, but could be wrong. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

3 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I was going to call that out too, assuming he meant he didn't pay for it.  I haven't seen it pop up to rent yet, but could be wrong. 

He's already on record that he streams content illegally.  Alleged richest guy here, steals media.

[BuckSwope 654]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

He's already on record that he streams content illegally.  Alleged richest guy here, steals media.

A cause SO important he can't spare a few bucks to help the people out by buying a ticket to their movie? 

 

 

[RogerDodger 797]

27 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

That doesn't require watching a movie to learn those facts, and "based on" is usually full of liberties with the story that is unnecessary.  Read an article or book. 

I'll watch it like most things when it comes out streaming, I just think the hyperbole on both sides is funny.  0 chance the same people watch a movie about child trafficking made by Spike Lee, or thought a movie based on true story like Selma was something America should watch.   It's a movie. 

Don't worry, no one is going to force you to watch it. In fact I recommend people like you don't.

[RogerDodger 797]

26 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I don't think they are "facts" but happy to see your sources.

And even if true, watching this movie does nothing to help any of that.

You haven't seen it.  

[RogerDodger 797]

24 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Wouldn't even pay to see it, what a douche

10 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

A cause SO important he can't spare a few bucks to help the people out by buying a ticket to their movie? 

 

 

Wait, I thought the issues you had with it was the people who made it.  Make up your mind already.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,212]

32 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I don't think they are "facts" but happy to see your sources.

And even if true, watching this movie does nothing to help any of that.

The speaker of the house had a screening of it. 

[BuckSwope 654]

14 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Wait, I thought the issues you had with it was the people who made it.  Make up your mind already.  

I personally have 0 issues with the movie or who did it.  I don't watch much in the theater, but watch a ton at home.  My personal habits or thoughts haven't changed- I will catch it when it streams.  

I UNDERSTAND people choosing to avoid it based on who is in it and behind it, and I never put much stock into "based on true events" because most I have seen take big liberties for plot movement and entertainment.  

To me the biggest concern is the pet charity and reports I've seen of it being wasteful as many are.  Since it's being advertised at the end and asking for donations, that's MY biggest concern.  But that's concern is quelled by people like you who just pretend it's so important but can't be bothered to fork over a few bucks.  

[RogerDodger 797]

10 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

I personally have 0 issues with the movie or who did it.  I don't watch much in the theater, but watch a ton at home.  My personal habits or thoughts haven't changed- I will catch it when it streams.  

I UNDERSTAND people choosing to avoid it based on who is in it and behind it, and I never put much stock into "based on true events" because most I have seen take big liberties for plot movement and entertainment.  

To me the biggest concern is the pet charity and reports I've seen of it being wasteful as many are.  Since it's being advertised at the end and asking for donations, that's MY biggest concern.  But that's concern is quelled by people like you who just pretend it's so important but can't be bothered to fork over a few bucks.  

Caring about child trafficking and going to a theater to pay for a movie aren't mutually exclusive.    The reach in logic you guys make to fabricate your points cracks me up. 

[BuckSwope 654]

21 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Caring about child trafficking and going to a theater to pay for a movie aren't mutually exclusive.    The reach in logic you guys make to fabricate your points cracks me up. 

Correct, as is caring about child trafficking and not going to see a fictional movie about the topic. 

Just find it funny that you are pimping something that you can't be bothered to contribute to.  America needs to watch this movie because it's so important (but don't bother paying for it, it's not THAT important).  Virtue likes for all and good feels.  Lol

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 hour ago, RogerDodger said:

You haven't seen it.  

Your source for your facts is a fictional movie

[GutterBoy 2,898]

31 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Caring about child trafficking and going to a theater to pay for a movie aren't mutually exclusive.    The reach in logic you guys make to fabricate your points cracks me up. 

Tell that to the people that said liberals are against this movie because they support child trafficking.

[RogerDodger 797]

3 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Correct, as is caring about child trafficking and not going to see a fictional movie about the topic. 

Just find it funny that you are pimping something that you can't be bothered to contribute to.  America needs to watch this movie because it's so important (but don't bother paying for it, it's not THAT important).  Virtue likes for all and good feels.  Lol

Versus your opinion on a movie you haven't seen.  I'm just responding to the OP as one of the few that's actually seen it dummy.   

[RogerDodger 797]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Tell that to the people that said liberals are against this movie because they support child trafficking.

Tiny wants other people to stick up for him.  

[BuckSwope 654]

22 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Versus your opinion on a movie you haven't seen.  I'm just responding to the OP as one of the few that's actually seen it dummy.   

Which I have not said a word about what's in it.    Sure, and you also were dumb enough to suggest that "America needs to see this movie", why exactly you don't seem to be able to explain since even you said it wasn't that well made of a movie.   Evidently not "libs" around these parts, so I guess just non-paying righties need to see the movie?  

Also, a good way to encourage more of these movies you seem to think "America needs to see" to be made is to actually support those movies and pay for them.   But again, I guess it's not THAT important of a movie or messsage.  

 

[TK0001 99]

This thread is a flurry of noise around the subject, but the fact is the left media is going hard after this movie to disparage it.

I find it (disgusting? strange?) that some people can fully acknowledge child trafficking is real, yet completely dismiss suggestions as to what these people might actually be doing with the kids once they are in their possession. Like child-rape and pedophelia? Sure, I'll buy that. But harvesting their blood? That's crazy! These are nothing but your every day run-of-the-mill child rapists, let's not cross over into nutty QAnon conspiracy theories! You know what? I'm not even going to watch this movie, now that the subject of adrenochrome has been broached!

Why is it some things are just unthinkable, when you're already accepting of the fact people are stealing children and selling them for money? Why is child-rape on a massive scale an acceptable belief, but harvesting child blood is a bridge too far?

All I know about QAnon is what I've heard in passing. I agree the idea of old folks harvesting young people is an idea so completely sinister and awful that it's easier to just write it off at bat-sh!ttery than entertain the idea it might be happening. People felt the same way about pedophelia at one point, too, but now it's understood to be real.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

3 hours ago, RogerDodger said:

America needs to see this movie. 

 

1 hour ago, RogerDodger said:

Caring about child trafficking and going to a theater to pay for a movie aren't mutually exclusive. 

 

 

[BuckSwope 654]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

 

 

 

To be fair he did say they need to "see" the movie, didn't say they need to pay for it like an adult. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

2 minutes ago, TK0001 said:

This thread is a flurry of noise around the subject, but the fact is the left media is going hard after this movie to disparage it.

I find it (disgusting? strange?) that some people can fully acknowledge child trafficking is real, yet completely dismiss suggestions as to what these people might actually be doing with the kids once they are in their possession. Like child-rape and pedophelia? Sure, I'll buy that. But harvesting their blood? That's crazy! These are nothing but your every day run-of-the-mill child rapists, let's not cross over into nutty QAnon conspiracy theories! You know what? I'm not even going to watch this movie, now that the subject of adrenochrome has been broached!

Why is it some things are just unthinkable, when you're already accepting of the fact people are stealing children and selling them for money? Why is child-rape on a massive scale an acceptable belief, but harvesting child blood is a bridge too far?

All I know about QAnon is what I've heard in passing. I agree the idea of old folks harvesting young people is an idea so completely sinister and awful that it's easier to just write it off at bat-sh!ttery than entertain the idea it might be happening. People felt the same way about pedophelia at one point, too, but now it's understood to be real.

Oh no they got to TK

[RogerDodger 797]

1 minute ago, BuckSwope said:

Which I have not said a word about what's in it.    Sure, and you also were dumb enough to suggest that "America needs to see this movie", why exactly you don't seem to be able to explain since even you said it wasn't that well made of a movie.   Evidently not "libs" around these parts, so I guess just non-paying righties need to see the movie?  

Also, a good way to encourage more of these movies you seem to think "America needs to see" to be made is to actually support those movies and pay for them.   But again, I guess it's not THAT important of a movie or messsage.  

 

Not well made, but the story and plot was great. Pretty dark, especially the first half before it turned more into an action movie.

A better way would be to donate to a charity directly helping these kids. 

But I understand you deal in absolutes and only read certain parts to try and prop up your point that's failing.  

[TK0001 99]

5 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Oh no they got to TK

Discussion over, I guess.

That was fun.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

3 minutes ago, TK0001 said:

Discussion over, I guess.

That was fun.

Happy to discuss with you.  I've laid out my problems with the guy who made the movie and the lead actor previously.

As far as discussing how elites steal kids to drink their blood, I'm happy to read any examples you have for this.

[League Champion 1,909]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

far as discussing how elites steal kids to drink their blood, I'm happy to read any examples you have for this.

Or cut their Kids balls off 

[TK0001 99]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Happy to discuss with you.  I've laid out my problems with the guy who made the movie and the lead actor previously.

As far as discussing how elites steal kids to drink their blood, I'm happy to read any examples you have for this.

I see that you've stated your case against the lead actor, who is clearly a Christian believer. He seems to see a great evil happening in the world today, which when viewed from a spiritual perspective, doesn't seem too off the mark, or "batsh!t crazy".

Also "batsh!t crazy" is the belief people are harvesting the blood of children. But that doesn't mean it's not happening. I'm just asking why that is such an outlandish belief that it's used as a weapon to dismiss the movie whole-handedly. Actors believe crazy stuff. Tom Cruise believes in alien space lords or whatever it is Scientologists believe, and Maverick grossed a bajillion dollars while no one felt the need to use his crazy beliefs against his work.

I guess I don't understand why, when something is simply labeled QAnon or QA-adjacent, it takes any further discussion of the matter off the table.

I am not going to even try to present evidence blood harvesting is happening. I have no idea if it is or isn't. I am just wondering why it's an off-limits subject.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

11 minutes ago, TK0001 said:

I see that you've stated your case against the lead actor, who is clearly a Christian believer. He seems to see a great evil happening in the world today, which when viewed from a spiritual perspective, doesn't seem too off the mark, or "batsh!t crazy".

Also "batsh!t crazy" is the belief people are harvesting the blood of children. But that doesn't mean it's not happening. I'm just asking why that is such an outlandish belief that it's used as a weapon to dismiss the movie whole-handedly. Actors believe crazy stuff. Tom Cruise believes in alien space lords or whatever it is Scientologists believe, and Maverick grossed a bajillion dollars while no one felt the need to use his crazy beliefs against his work.

I guess I don't understand why, when something is simply labeled QAnon or QA-adjacent, it takes any further discussion of the matter off the table.

I am not going to even try to present evidence blood harvesting is happening. I have no idea if it is or isn't. I am just wondering why it's an off-limits subject.

Adrenochrome harvesting is not off limits, you can talk about it and present whatever evidence you want.  To date, there is zero evidence that this is happening.  I've done quite a bit of research into this and Q-Anon, and it's pretty sad stuff.  It's destroyed lives and families.

My opinion is that anyone who believes in Q-Anon is batsh1t crazy.  That's my opinion, happy to debate that you with you or anyone else.

Again, my problems with the movie are the guy who made it, he's a grifter and it's questionable if he's ever helped anyone.  The lead actor is IMO bat sht crazy.  It's not based on a true story.  And I don't like the fact that people who are promoting this movie are saying that if you don't watch the movie then you're a pedo.  The entire culture pisses me off, because it detracts from the fact that child trafficking IS real, child abuse IS real.  It's not a political point to be exploited.

[TK0001 99]

Totally agreed, child trafficking should not be a political issue. Every sane person with a soul on the planet should be passionately opposed to it. From what I've seen, the movie raises awareness of the issue and is apolitical. It's simply shedding light on the horrors of child trafficking.

Which is why I wonder why there is such a rush to dig into the actor's background and label him as a QAnon nutter. That is a political tactic to dismiss the movie, to prevent the message from reaching people. Doing so kinda carries the water for other entities, like Rolling Stone and WaPo, which are working hard to smear this movie into oblivion. It's obviously a threat, and the media is working overtime to silence it. Doesn't that seem a little suspicious to you?

As far as the actual allegations of child harvesting, I don't find it a big stretch for people who are actively buying children to go one step further into evil depravity and see if they can use the children as youth elixir. Joseph Mengele carried out all kinds of horrific medical experiments, which never would have been believed in the time when he was actually performing them, and we don't question it now. Did supremely evil people just stop there, in the 1940's? Or is it more logical to believe it still goes on to this day?

[RogerDodger 797]

45 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

It's not a political point to be exploited.

 

3 minutes ago, TK0001 said:

Totally agreed, child trafficking should not be a political issue. Every sane person with a soul on the planet should be passionately opposed to it. From what I've seen, the movie raises awareness of the issue and is apolitical. It's simply shedding light on the horrors of child trafficking.

I was looking for it and it wasn't there.  The only thing close to being political in the movie is that they refer to the kids as God's children (twice).  And the girl has a Saint Timothy charm necklace, coincidentally, as our hero is named Tim.  I suppose that could come across as conservative. 

That's it.  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

12 minutes ago, TK0001 said:

Totally agreed, child trafficking should not be a political issue. Every sane person with a soul on the planet should be passionately opposed to it. From what I've seen, the movie raises awareness of the issue and is apolitical. It's simply shedding light on the horrors of child trafficking.

Which is why I wonder why there is such a rush to dig into the actor's background and label him as a QAnon nutter. That is a political tactic to dismiss the movie, to prevent the message from reaching people. Doing so kinda carries the water for other entities, like Rolling Stone and WaPo, which are working hard to smear this movie into oblivion. It's obviously a threat, and the media is working overtime to silence it. Doesn't that seem a little suspicious to you?

As far as the actual allegations of child harvesting, I don't find it a big stretch for people who are actively buying children to go one step further into evil depravity and see if they can use the children as youth elixir. Joseph Mengele carried out all kinds of horrific medical experiments, which never would have been believed in the time when he was actually performing them, and we don't question it now. Did supremely evil people just stop there, in the 1940's? Or is it more logical to believe it still goes on to this day?

I don't think there was a rush to dig into the actor's background, he's been pretty open and public about his QAnon beliefs.

I also don't believe there is a coordinated effort to prevent people from watching movie, I don't believe this is a threat to anyone except the traffickers and the people who believe in QAnon and use this movie to further their beliefs.  The Alt-right has seized on this movie to generate buzz, money and votes.  I think that's evil. If I told you that people are kidnapping kids, eating their sh1t, and the only way to stop this is to vote for Biden, wouldn't you think that's dangerous?  Same with drinking their blood and voting for Trump.

As far as adrenochrome harvesting, sure it's possible.  So is wearing the skin of kids and performing off broadway plays.  Problem is we have the same amount of evidence that both are happening.  For me, it's extrememly evil to buy and abuse a kid.  I don't know why we need to push it past that.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,212]

People should go ahead and dismiss anyone that thinks it’s ok to perform a sec change operation on a minor. So some of you can stop posting on the subject. The health and well being of a child is subject to debate for you filth.  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

People should go ahead and dismiss anyone that thinks it’s ok to perform a sec change operation on a minor. So some of you can stop posting on the subject. The health and well being of a child is subject to debate for you filth.  

Let's also dismiss people that wish rape on kids.  if you wish rape on a kid, you obviously don't give a sh1t about kids.

[seafoam1 2,908]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Let's also dismiss people that wish rape on kids.  if you wish rape on a kid, you obviously don't give a sh1t about kids.

Support the trannies is your motto. You go girl. 

[RogerDodger 797]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I don't think there was a rush to dig into the actor's background, he's been pretty open and public about his QAnon beliefs.

You might want to do a little more research on that.  Although some of his beliefs echo Q-anon theories he's denied being involved or associated with Q-anon.  He claims people are trying to discredit him and the movie by saying that.  Imagine that, using children to push a political agenda.  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, RogerDodger said:

 Imagine that, using children to push a political agenda.  

Crazy huh?

LEAVE THE KIDS ALONE!

[TK0001 99]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I also don't believe there is a coordinated effort to prevent people from watching movie

Seriously? This took me a few minutes to compile:

From Rolling Stone

‘Sound Of Freedom’ Is a Superhero Movie for Dads With Brainworms

Why Anti-Trafficking Experts Are Torching ‘Sound of Freedom’

Tim Ballard, Inspiration Behind ‘Sound of Freedom,’ Quietly Leaves Anti-Trafficking Group

‘Sound of Freedom’ Fans and AMC Investors Wage War of Conspiracy Theories

From WaPo

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/21/sound-of-freedom-qanon-trump-child-sex-trade/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/07/15/qanon-and-sound-of-freedom-both-rely-on-tired-hollywood-tropes/c0b861ee-230a-11ee-8994-4b2d0b694a34_story.html

Bloomberg

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-07-15/qanon-and-sound-of-freedom-both-rely-on-tired-hollywood-tropes?in_source=embedded-checkout-banner

Vice

Anti-Trafficking Group With Long History of False Claims Gets Its Hollywood Moment

CYBER: The False Claims Behind an Anti-Trafficking Group’s Hollywood Moment

Operation Underground Railroad’s Carefully Crafted Public Image Is Falling Apart

NPR

Christian thriller 'Sound of Freedom' faces criticism for stoking conspiracy theories

AV Club

https://www.avclub.com/how-the-hell-did-sound-of-freedom-make-100-million-1850662443

The Guardian

Sound of Freedom: the QAnon-adjacent thriller seducing America

[TK0001 99]

I could produce another twenty or so hit pieces on the movie, but hopefully you see the point.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,212]

9 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Let's also dismiss people that wish rape on kids.  if you wish rape on a kid, you obviously don't give a sh1t about kids.

College students are kids now? No, they aren’t. So moving along after another expected failure everyone saw coming, you can Stfu about caring about the well being of children. Fraud.