Why is there still a salary cap?

[RoadLizard 73]

Legit question in this day age when teams and owners are making money hand over fist in the NFL  The idea that some teams cant spend money on players is extremely antiquated.  Alls this salary cap does is force teams to cut or trade players that they really want to keep, breaks up good teams & I really dont know what benefit the salary cap brings anymore.  Like the VCR or the rotary phone - the cap has seen its usefulness disappear.

All the teams have plenty of money they can spend.  If anything, Id be fine with allowing the cap to be exceeded and then you pay a luxury tax like they do in baseball.  I dunno - just tired of cap problems, rampant free agency, teams breaking up, etc.  You cant buy a damned jersey with a player name on it anymore.

[Showboat 145]

I think it is part of the CBA.  It's a way players can guarantee they get a percentage of revenues (because I believe there is also a minimum spend, too - I'm sure owners wouldn't agree to a minimum spend w/o a cap).   

[polecatt 403]

Because the owners don't want to pay more in salaries

[Ray_T 591]

3 hours ago, RoadLizard said:

The idea that some teams cant spend money on players is extremely antiquated.  Alls this salary cap does is force teams to cut or trade players that they really want to keep, breaks up good teams

that is the purpose.

the League wants parity.   That means that teams close to the cap who spend their money stupidly inevitably get punished in the end for the irresponsible signing.

and powerhouse teams can only stay together for so long.

so your dynasties are not as long lasting unless the team makes some real good moves to stay on top.   Even then..... not totally likely

 

[IGotWorms 3,315]

So why hasn’t baseball flourished?

[Ray_T 591]

I dont think its a hard cap.  its a luxury tax.   sure it does to some degree limit spending of the top teams, but if the cap only truly affects a small percentage of the teams, then its not going to be very effective.

you need at least 1/4 to 1/3 of the teams feeling they need to get rid of players when the salary is too high.   Thats when you see parity in the league.   at that point almost any well coached and managed team who can do a good job of drafting and developing talent should have a decent shot at winning the world series at some point.   

if you look at the salary structure there likely are only 2 or 3 teams that actually spend to the cap (though I have not looked recently so correct me if I am wrong)

that wont fix anything.

 

 

[RareN64Dream 9]

Unlimited money doesn't work. It turns every team into a powerhouse and the fans would probably be depressed more often; because their "team" choked when they were the "best".

[msudavedawg 5]

Because it would turn the NFL into MLB where only the same 6 teams have a shot at winning the World Series almost every season. 

[polecatt 403]

On 11/19/2023 at 11:37 PM, IGotWorms said:

So why hasn’t baseball flourished?

Seriously?

Because it's boring as sh!t

[IGotWorms 3,315]

12 minutes ago, polecatt said:

Seriously?

Because it's boring as sh!t

Maybe in part because 25 teams can’t afford to field an all star team?

[polecatt 403]

3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Maybe in part because 25 teams can’t afford to field an all star team?

Perhaps that's part of it. Just having one top notch league is a big issue too.

If you really want to see how it works without salary caps and real free agency though, just look to soccer. There are multiple leagues all over the world that can pay players top dollar.

Of course it helps that it's a global game. I don't know that anything like is on the horizons for the NFL or MLB, but it's just a matter of time before basketball is similar.

[Ray_T 591]

3 hours ago, polecatt said:

Seriously?

Because it's boring as sh!t

15 minutes of action in a 3 hour game?  how can you say its boring?   oh yeah..... never mind....

[LaChup 154]

Manchester United versus Wrexham would be awesome to watch every week.

[Showboat 145]

2 hours ago, Ray_T said:

15 minutes of action in a 3 hour game?  how can you say its boring?   oh yeah..... never mind....

I can't tell if you are actually talking about football.  I mean a fast paced team may run about 80 plays per game.  If the average play is 7 seconds, that's 560 seconds total - even rounding that up to 600 seconds is only 10 minutes of actual action.  That would be 20 minutes of actual action if both teams played at that pace (unlikely).  Most of the game time is eaten up by guys getting off the pile, subbing in, and out and huddling up, not to mention victory formations and so forth.

[polecatt 403]

7 hours ago, Showboat said:

I can't tell if you are actually talking about football.  I mean a fast paced team may run about 80 plays per game.  If the average play is 7 seconds, that's 560 seconds total - even rounding that up to 600 seconds is only 10 minutes of actual action.  That would be 20 minutes of actual action if both teams played at that pace (unlikely).  Most of the game time is eaten up by guys getting off the pile, subbing in, and out and huddling up, not to mention victory formations and so forth.

I guess he could be

Football though, it's a steady paced game. They take time off between plays, but it's never more than about 30 seconds or so. So it's not like you're bored for long.

Baseball though, it could be 15 minutes between anything exciting really happening.

[polecatt 403]

9 hours ago, Ray_T said:

15 minutes of action in a 3 hour game?  how can you say its boring?   oh yeah..... never mind....

Yeah, I will say it's gotten a little better now that they have a pitch clock. No more slow poke pitchers who make a 3 hour game last 5 hours.

I actually saw one where they pitcher used it to his advantage and started to pitch as soon as the batters hit the box. Sped things up considerably!

[Ray_T 591]

11 hours ago, Showboat said:

I can't tell if you are actually talking about football.  I mean a fast paced team may run about 80 plays per game.  If the average play is 7 seconds, that's 560 seconds total - even rounding that up to 600 seconds is only 10 minutes of actual action.  That would be 20 minutes of actual action if both teams played at that pace (unlikely).  Most of the game time is eaten up by guys getting off the pile, subbing in, and out and huddling up, not to mention victory formations and so forth.

sorry I didnt realize I was unclear.  I was talking baseball.

[IGotWorms 3,315]

Baseball was meant to be a leisurely game. Problem is we don’t have the time or the patience in this crazy modern world 

[GobbleDog 816]

Without a salary cap, the NFL would probably be similar to MLB with dynasty teams. But middle- and low-payroll teams winning Titles occasionally.

Only fans of dynasty teams like that system.  Everyone else in America hates the stink'n Yankees.