Trump's NY Election Interference Trial (Defense rests. Trump did not take the stand)

[thegeneral 1,512]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think he did knock boots, and i think he probably did what most people do with the NDA and payoffs....not unlike what the Clintons did, and I did not care when they did it either.

So we have established Trump is the liar in this situation.

This is why he won’t testify because he has been lying about this for years and he can’t do that under oath.

 

[RLLD 3,538]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

So we have established Trump is the liar in this situation.

This is why he won’t testify because he has been lying about this for years and he can’t do that under oath.

 

Uh....yeahhhhh......is that really some revelation?

So given that every politician is a liar, though few are as silly as Biden is about it...... I will ask we use the liar who has better policies, so give me Trump back please....

[Ron_Artest 767]

45 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Maher dredged up an old interview porn star Stormy Daniels gave to him back in 2018 — which raises questions about the credibility of her testimony on the witness stand.

 

What's the lie here?

[thegeneral 1,512]

Just now, RLLD said:

Uh....yeahhhhh......is that really some revelation?

So given that every politician is a liar, though few are as silly as Biden is about it...... I will ask we use the liar who has better policies, so give me Trump back please....

Well we can move on from that Stormy or Cohen or Pecker have different stories or lied about something at some point. Trump is the one full of shet on this, 

Donald said he was going to testify except he had a gag order against him That is solid gold.

Him banging the porn star and working with the Enquirer to bury it and lying about both prior to the election may have mattered to many. Who knows.

[RLLD 3,538]

9 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

What's the lie here?

The lie is that Trump forced her

[RLLD 3,538]

9 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Well we can move on from that Stormy or Cohen or Pecker have different stories or lied about something at some point. Trump is the one full of shet on this, 

Donald said he was going to testify except he had a gag order against him That is solid gold.

Him banging the porn star and working with the Enquirer to bury it and lying about both prior to the election may have mattered to many. Who knows.

Since all of them are liars, I will prefer to have the one that does not harm our nation over the one that does, so returning Trump means we can hope for better things....

[thegeneral 1,512]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Since all of them are liars, I will prefer to have the one that does not harm our nation over the one that does, so returning Trump means we can hope for better things....

Well that’s like your opinion man.

For this case glad that we settled we both believe that Trump is the liar here, he colluded with media outlet (I love that it’s The Enquirer - so on brand ) and his fixer to do it. Then lied about this all before the election. 

 

[RLLD 3,538]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Well that’s like your opinion man.

For this case glad that we settled we both believe that Trump is the liar here, he colluded with media outlet (I love that it’s The Enquirer - so on brand ) and his fixer to do it. Then lied about this all before the election. 

 

I dont much care, if he thinks colluding with the National Enquirer is the best way to get the word out, good on him....

Gratefully, the DOJ did not collude to suppress it, then I would have a problem with it.....

[Ron_Artest 767]

14 minutes ago, RLLD said:

The lie is that Trump forced her

She never said Trump forced her, she never claimed SA.  She clearly stated that she never said no.  This is not a SA case.

[RLLD 3,538]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

She never said Trump forced her, she never claimed SA.  She clearly stated that she never said no.  This is not a SA case.

Daniels said he then pressured her into having sex.

She actually did.....which is what Maher was calling out.   She lied, one could say fairly that she has lied at least once about the encounter......but it would seem that before she was recruited into this current legal abuse prosecution, she described the event differently...

Maher noticed she lied, he called her out for it.....I think that is fair....

[The Real timschochet 3,128]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Daniels said he then pressured her into having sex.

She actually did.....which is what Maher was calling out.   She lied, one could say fairly that she has lied at least once about the encounter......but it would seem that before she was recruited into this current legal abuse prosecution, she described the event differently...

Maher noticed she lied, he called her out for it.....I think that is fair....

I figured this is where you were going with this. 

I don’t think she lied. I think that, since the start of the Me Too movement; society has changed its view about what defines a consensual relationship and that more and more women come to realize, like Daniels, that they were the victims of powerful men. Bill Maher is a chauvinist who has pointedly been very resistant to this change in public attitude (along with most other woke changes) so his position has to be questioned on this. 

[Ron_Artest 767]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Daniels said he then pressured her into having sex.

She actually did.....which is what Maher was calling out.   She lied, one could say fairly that she has lied at least once about the encounter......but it would seem that before she was recruited into this current legal abuse prosecution, she described the event differently...

Maher noticed she lied, he called her out for it.....I think that is fair....

Pressured, ok, we slowly got to the truth.  So he didn't say she was forced to have sex, so you're lying right there.

She didn't even say she was pressured, she gave details that demonstrate her being pressured, but she's been consistent in that she wasn't assaulted and she never said no.

The only liar here is you.

[RLLD 3,538]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

Pressured, ok, we slowly got to the truth.  So he didn't say she was forced to have sex, so you're lying right there.

She didn't even say she was pressured, she gave details that demonstrate her being pressured, but she's been consistent in that she wasn't assaulted and she never said no.

The only liar here is you.

Not lying, she lied, plain and simple.  Which happens I guess, so which version do we then believe? I note the concern where it arises that Trump lies, I infer she is also under the same expectation for truth? Or not really.....since she is being used against your political opponents?

I asserted no lie, your defense of someone who clearly lied is a curious move though.

[RLLD 3,538]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I figured this is where you were going with this. 

I don’t think she lied. I think that, since the start of the Me Too movement; society has changed its view about what defines a consensual relationship and that more and more women come to realize, like Daniels, that they were the victims of powerful men. Bill Maher is a chauvinist who has pointedly been very resistant to this change in public attitude (along with most other woke changes) so his position has to be questioned on this. 

In 2018, she specifically said that she was asked to make it about "me too" but since it was entirely consensual she avoided all that.

Its all good, people lie all the time.   Look at the crazy Kavanaugh b!tch who lied.  This is not new.

[Ron_Artest 767]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Not lying, she lied, plain and simple.  Which happens I guess, so which version do we then believe? I note the concern where it arises that Trump lies, I infer she is also under the same expectation for truth? Or not really.....since she is being used against your political opponents?

I asserted no lie, your defense of someone who clearly lied is a curious move though.

So we'll do this again, point out the lie.  We tried this once and you claimed that Stormy said Trump forced her to have sex, but she never said that.

Try again.

[Fumbleweed 437]

So, what is Trump actually accused of in this case? Trying to bury a story that cast him in an unfavorable light? Isn't that what all politicians do? Kinda sleazy to be sure, but what is the legal part of that being pursued by prosecutors? 

[RLLD 3,538]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

So we'll do this again, point out the lie.  We tried this once and you claimed that Stormy said Trump forced her to have sex, but she never said that.

Try again.

I already did, your inability to accept that she lied is a curious move.  Why might you seek to defend her? 

[Ron_Artest 767]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I already did, your inability to accept that she lied is a curious move.  Why might you seek to defend her? 

Classic RLLD. 

[RLLD 3,538]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Classic RLLD. 

So then, you defend a liar.....because that liar is doing something politically convenient for you.  And you do not see the problem with this? 

[MDC 5,942]

17 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Daniels said he then pressured her into having sex.

She actually did.....which is what Maher was calling out.   She lied, one could say fairly that she has lied at least once about the encounter......but it would seem that before she was recruited into this current legal abuse prosecution, she described the event differently...

Maher noticed she lied, he called her out for it.....I think that is fair....

Great link! I learned that Trump enjoyed being spanked with a magazine that had his face on the cover, compared Stormy to his own daughter, focked her without a condom, and that the encounter was “very brief.”  

[RLLD 3,538]

Just now, MDC said:

Great link! I learned that Trump enjoyed being spanked with a magazine that had his face on the cover, compared Stormy to his own daughter, focked her without a condom, and that the encounter was “very brief.”  

But, are we sure its true? 

Which version of the events should we now believe happened?

[Ron_Artest 767]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

So then, you defend a liar.....because that liar is doing something politically convenient for you.  And you do not see the problem with this? 

She didn't lie.  Your inability to accept that she didn't lie is a curious move.  Why might you seek to attack her? 

[MDC 5,942]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

But, are we sure its true? 

Which version of the events should we now believe happened?

I believe the part about Trump being a 2-pump chump.  

[squistion 937]

8 minutes ago, Fumbleweed said:

So, what is Trump actually accused of in this case? Trying to bury a story that cast him in an unfavorable light? Isn't that what all politicians do? Kinda sleazy to be sure, but what is the legal part of that being pursued by prosecutors? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecution_of_Donald_Trump_in_New_York#:~:text=The indictment charged Trump with,for invoices from Michael Cohen

The indictment charged Trump with 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in the first degree, in violation of New York Penal Law §175.10. Each count is related to a specific business document, each having a date ranging from February 14 through December 5, 2017: 11 for invoices from Michael Cohen.

[RLLD 3,538]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

She didn't lie.  Your inability to accept that she didn't lie is a curious move.  Why might you seek to attack her? 

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Maher contended that Daniels’ testimony now has deviated from her original iteration of the alleged encounter.

In other words, she lied.....your insistence to ignore this element highlights your own zeal to allow the legal system to be abused to take down your ideological opponent, you represent something lesser than what we should aspire to be

[Fumbleweed 437]

1 minute ago, squistion said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecution_of_Donald_Trump_in_New_York#:~:text=The indictment charged Trump with,for invoices from Michael Cohen

The indictment charged Trump with 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in the first degree, in violation of New York Penal Law §175.10. Each count is related to a specific business document, each having a date ranging from February 14 through December 5, 2017: 11 for invoices from Michael Cohen.

OK. Then what did Stormy Daniels' testimony then have to do with anything? 

[RLLD 3,538]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

I believe the part about Trump being a 2-pump chump.  

Well, that is likely true.....

[thegeneral 1,512]

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

But, are we sure its true? 

Which version of the events should we now believe happened?

The version where they focked.

Maybe Donald can clear this up for us under oath. 

[Ron_Artest 767]

6 minutes ago, RLLD said:

In other words, she lied.....your insistence to ignore this element highlights your own zeal to allow the legal system to be abused to take down your ideological opponent, you represent something lesser than what we should aspire to be

In other words 

Her testimony last week did not contradict anything she said in the Maher clip.  In fact it corroborates it, as she stated both times she was not assaulted and that she never said no.

Your insistence to bend the truth so it fits your narrative that the legal system is rigged against Trump highlights your own bias in this case, you represent something lesser than what we should aspire to be

[RLLD 3,538]

7 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

The version where they focked.

Maybe Donald can clear this up for us under oath. 

We already know they focked, which of course has nothing to do with the lack of any crime being present....but that is not really the goal anyway.   I am rather curious to see if we end up with a directed verdict, we should.....but this judge has been very tilted toward the prosecution....so its not as simple as it normally would be.....

[RLLD 3,538]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

In other words 

Her testimony last week did not contradict anything she said in the Maher clip.  In fact it corroborates it, as she stated both times she was not assaulted and that she never said no.

Your insistence to bend the truth so it fits your narrative that the legal system is rigged against Trump highlights your own bias in this case, you represent something lesser than what we should aspire to be

She did contradict herself, that is why Maher said as much.

Look, she is a liar.....whatever.....most people lie here and there....what should matter to us is this rather significant shift in her story.....why lie? It would not add any value to this case, unless the lie was requested to feed some narrative....

If they have enough evidence, her original story should be enough, instead they have her lie....which is odd.

[thegeneral 1,512]

Just now, RLLD said:

We already know they focked, which of course has nothing to do with the lack of any crime being present....but that is not really the goal anyway.   I am rather curious to see if we end up with a directed verdict, we should.....but this judge has been very tilted toward the prosecution....so it’s not as simple as it normally would be.....

You seem concerned about Stormy giving different portrayals of her she got raw dogged. Why does this matter?  

 

[Ron_Artest 767]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

She did contradict herself, that is why Maher said as much.

What did she contradict herself about?  Stop talking about Bill Maher and answer the question.

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Look, she is a liar.....whatever.....

I guess this is as close we will get to "I was wrong"

[RLLD 3,538]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

You seem concerned about Stormy giving different portrayals of her she got raw dogged. Why does this matter?  

 

She should be credible as a witness.  I note that there is no charge associated with what transpired between them    Why then have her testify to what transpired between them, how odd. 

OR

Could it be true that this testimony was not really intended to be about any "charges", but the question remains....why have her lie on something so easily disproven?

Credibility is important of course, for a witness.....   I think its was a miscalculation on the part of the prosecution to have her change her story....

[RLLD 3,538]

5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

What did she contradict herself about?  Stop talking about Bill Maher and answer the question.

I guess this is as close we will get to "I was wrong"

I was not wrong, i remain correct, she lied.....but her lie is not even relevant to the case.  Your defense of her is misplaced in this instance.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,896]

Imagine still thinking there’s a case here. Lol.  You go guttergirl! 

[thegeneral 1,512]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

She should be credible as a witness.  I note that there is no charge associated with what transpired between them    Why then have her testify to what transpired between them, how odd. 

OR

Could it be true that this testimony was not really intended to be about any "charges", but the question remains....why have her lie on something so easily disproven?

Credibility is important of course, for a witness.....   I think its was a miscalculation on the part of the prosecution to have her change her story....

We will see. Trump and his lawyers say she is making this all up without offering their version. It’s laughable he keeps going with this story.

Who knows what Stormy is doing. She is quite the wild card.

 

 

 

 

[Ron_Artest 767]

13 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I was not wrong, i remain correct, she lied.....but her lie is not even relevant to the case.  Your defense of her is misplaced in this instance.

What was her lie?  You can't keep saying "she lied" without being able to say what the lie was.

[supermike80 1,323]

All I wanna know is will this be over soon?   I have seen more than enough coverage on this stupid thing.  It ain't helping me pay my bills.

[RLLD 3,538]

4 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

We will see. Trump and his lawyers say she is making this all up without offering their version. It’s laughable he keeps going with this story.

Who knows what Stormy is doing. She is quite the wild card.

 

 

 

 

I think she did have sex with him, I think that simply must be true.  What gives me pause is this <ahem> "revised depiction" (lie) she told on the stand.  Now I have to wonder what is true.....