Trump's NY Election Interference Trial - Trump is found guilty on all 34 counts

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4 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I was unaware when I finished law school that one could go into skank law.  My classmates and I chose prosecution, defense work, tax law, civil litigation and other practices, but skank law was not among them.  Apparently though there are many lawyers like Avenatti and Cohen who were aware of the specialty and went into it.  Who knows, I might have enjoyed that practice. I should have visited all of tghe booths at career day insted of cutting the day short to go out into the aprking lot and getting drunk, again.

Both of the lawyers you mentioned ended up in prison.  I think you made the right choice.

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29 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

The Enquirer story brought down John Edwards. You don’t think he wanted this story coming out before the election. Come on. 

The funny thing is Trump probably did waste that money. He was right he can shoot someone and his fans wouldn’t care. His wife doesn’t give a shet she just ups the business arraignment. 

Daniels was apparently extorting him, so he paid her off, pretending this is somehow a violation of election integrity is laughable.

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19 minutes ago, squistion said:

Yes, Avenatti is a trusted source. 

Just like Cohen is....

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10 minutes ago, Strike said:

Both of the lawyers you mentioned ended up in prison.  I think you made the right choice.

Well I am a private person so the media frenzy when it all blows up would not have been to my liking.  Still, there must be many such lawyers who remain in the shadows, unknown to the public at large but known to those who my need them.  You know, professional and discrete skank outbreak suppressionists.

 

 

Yep, I definitely think asw a second year elective skank suppression would have beaten trusts and estates or commercial paper.

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17 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I was unaware when I finished law school that one could go into skank law.  My classmates and I chose prosecution, defense work, tax law, civil litigation and other practices, but skank law was not among them.  Apparently though there are many lawyers like Avenatti and Cohen who were aware of the specialty and went into it.  Who knows, I might have enjoyed that practice. I should have visited all of tghe booths at career day insted of cutting the day short to go out into the aprking lot and getting drunk, again.

Saul Goodman

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3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Daniels was apparently extorting him, so he paid her off, pretending this is somehow a violation of election integrity is laughable.

If you say so. He still claims he didn’t bang her and that everyone else is making this up. Cohen, Pecker, etc.

Yeeeeaah.

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1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Saul Goodman

I don't have the panache to pull off that wardrobe. I wonder if that is a requirement or if a bit more pedestrian lawyer dress would suffice.

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5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

If you say so. He still claims he didn’t bang her and that everyone else is making this up. Cohen, Pecker, etc.

Yeeeeaah.

I know what he claims, and I don believe him any more than i beleive any of Bidens lies...or McConnels lies...or Pelosi's lies...

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5 hours ago, jonmx said:

Because the judge rigged the case by:

1. Ruling that if Trump testified it would open the door for the prosecution to bring every piece of dirt on Trump there is. Normally such prejudicial non-relevant evidence is excuded, but this judge used it as a tool to prevent Trump from testifying. 

You obviously don’t know anything. This is always the case with defendants testifying. Just like every other witness, they are open to being impeached once they get up and testify. Evidence that might not have been otherwise relevant then becomes allowable because it calls into question the veracity of their testimony as a witness.

You need to stop getting your info from Russian propaganda artists. Oh wait, you are one 

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4 hours ago, jonmx said:

I would prefer us not to fight proxy or meaningless real wars period.  

That’s funny because Putin would also prefer that we not assist Ukraine

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2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

It's not the MSM silencing him.  The MSM didn't impose the gag order.  The gag order was imposed by the judge to protect the jurors and the fairness of the trial.

The MSM would love to hear from Trump every day, because he makes a fool out of himself everytime he talks.

The only justification the Supreme Court has ever approved for such a gag order was to protect the due process of the defendant.  Unless Trump was engaging in criminal speech which were direct threats to someone, this gag order is a gross abuse of Trump's rights.  Another chunk of rights are disappearing, but it's just Trump.....for now, but this precedent is a horrible one. 

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3 hours ago, shadrap said:

"Trump been given soft treatment" ?   Here from a Democrat:

Alan Dershowitz rips 'tyrant' judge for 'outrageous' rulings in Trump trial | Fox News

Dershowitz a democrat?

He is first and foremost a pedophile who hung out with Jeffrey Epstein.

Secondly he’s a huge Trumper.

Basically he’s a focking creep with zero credibility 

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5 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Dershowitz a democrat?

He is first and foremost a pedophile who hung out with Jeffrey Epstein.

Secondly he’s a huge Trumper.

Basically he’s a focking creep with zero credibility 

Historically he was a darling of the left.  He and the left started diverging a decade or so ago.  Was it he who swung right, they who swung much further left, or a combination of the two, who can say?  I happen to believe it was a bit of both though others may have a different view.  Clearly the last year or three I would categorize him as being in the camp of the right.

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3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Dershowitz a democrat?

He is first and foremost a pedophile who hung out with Jeffrey Epstein.

Secondly he’s a huge Trumper.

Basically he’s a focking creep with zero credibility 

Dershowitz is a member of the Democratic Party. In 2016, he said that if Keith Ellison were appointed party chair, he would leave the party; Tom Perez was appointed instead. Dershowitz endorsed Hillary Clinton in the 2008 presidential election, and later endorsed the nominee, Barack Obama.

So what happened?

The same thing that happened for Maher, the Democrat party became a bastion of illogical nonsense, children posing as adults....and the adults started to leave the party

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1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

Historically he was a darling of the left.  he and the left started diverging a decade or so ago.  Was it he who swung right, they who swung much further left, or a combination of the two, who can say.  i happen to believe it was a bit of both though others may have a different view.  Clearly the alsdst year or three i would categorize him as being in the camp of the right.

Trump was once a democrat too. Times change.

Anyway, Dershowitz is a creep. Kinda like bill Clinton and Donald Trump, who also hung out with Epstein — their defining characteristic is not party affiliation but rather being pedophile creeps

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2 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Trump was once a democrat too. Times change.

Anyway, Dershowitz is a creep. Kinda like bill Clinton and Donald Trump, who also hung out with Epstein — their defining characteristic is not party affiliation but rather being pedophile creeps

Yes Trump was.  Frankly I do not understand how so many republicans have sold their party for this huckster. 

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24 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

That’s funny because Putin would also prefer that we not assist Ukraine

And Saddam and bin Laden preferred if we did not do the Iraq War.  Just because we agree with bad people does not mean the effort is a colossal waste of money and human life. 

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1 minute ago, jonmx said:

And Saddam and bin Laden preferred if we did not do the Iraq War.  Just because we agree with bad people does not mean the effort is a colossal waste of money and human life. 

That’s a great analogy there jon. 4,500 killed and 32,000 wounded US service members vs 0 and 0

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1 hour ago, RLLD said:

I know what he claims, and I don believe him any more than i beleive any of Bidens lies...or McConnels lies...or Pelosi's lies...

Right he’s lying about paying her off. He was thinking, like most, this would be very damaging. When the grab em by the pussay tape came out even he thought he was sunk.

He said, allegedly, he didn’t care about this after the election because if he won it wouldn’t matter and if he lost he didn’t give a shet. He likely loves that everyone knows he’s dicking all these broads. 

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1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Right he’s lying about paying her off. He was thinking, like most, this would be very damaging. When the grab em by the pussay tape came out even he thought he was sunk.

He said, allegedly, he didn’t care about this after the election because if he won it wouldn’t matter and if he lost he didn’t give a shet. He likely loves that everyone knows he’s dicking all these broads. 

I think he is lying if he says they never had sex. I mean, why pay her if there was no sex, y'know?

He was trying to hide it, as an many likely would, but this attempt to correlate that into some sort of crime is really....really...abusive of the legal system.   But to be fair, Bragg ran on the premise of taking down Trump.....eliminating him as a political opponent for Democrats, and I give credit where its due....the man is trying his best to keep that promise....he likely thought it would be easier to find some reason to take Trump down....

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32 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Dershowitz a democrat?

He is first and foremost a pedophile who hung out with Jeffrey Epstein.

Secondly he’s a huge Trumper.

Basically he’s a focking creep with zero credibility 

Well, yeah, it is his party affiliation, but you would never know it from his public statements in recent years. 

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20 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think he is lying if he says they never had sex. I mean, why pay her if there was no sex, y'know?

He was trying to hide it, as an many likely would, but this attempt to correlate that into some sort of crime is really....really...abusive of the legal system.   But to be fair, Bragg ran on the premise of taking down Trump.....eliminating him as a political opponent for Democrats, and I give credit where its due....the man is trying his best to keep that promise....he likely thought it would be easier to find some reason to take Trump down....

You think Trump paid off Stormy?

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If they find Trump guilty and try to incarcerate him, real Americans will make 1/6 look like a selfie fest.  
 

Oh wait….

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19 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

You think Trump paid off Stormy?

I think he probably did, well, I mean...."HE" didn't do it...he probably had one of his minions do it, maybe Cohen or maybe someone else.  Not sure how that works, there is no shortage of powerful men who have done it, Bill Clinton comes to mind.  But I recall that Trump once said never pay them because no one ever keeps their mouth shut....so paying her off would be perhaps unusual for him.....unless there are more instances of him doing it....

Who knows....I just know it was not a crime and has no bearing on elections.

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11 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think he probably did, well, I mean...."HE" didn't do it...he probably had one of his minions do it, maybe Cohen or maybe someone else.  Not sure how that works, there is no shortage of powerful men who have done it, Bill Clinton comes to mind.  But I recall that Trump once said never pay them because no one ever keeps their mouth shut....so paying her off would be perhaps unusual for him.....unless there are more instances of him doing it....

Who knows....I just know it was not a crime and has no bearing on elections.

He says he knew nothing about this. Thats the case. 

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3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

He says he knew nothing about this. Thats the case. 

Right....but.....as I have maintained all along.....I do not think he is telling the truth.....now, he is not being charged for lying about paying her....since that is not a crime....in fact, there is no shortage of legal minds asserting that he is really not being charged with anything.... its just an attempt to smear and silence a political candidate.

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1 hour ago, RLLD said:

Dershowitz is a member of the Democratic Party. In 2016, he said that if Keith Ellison were appointed party chair, he would leave the party; Tom Perez was appointed instead. Dershowitz endorsed Hillary Clinton in the 2008 presidential election, and later endorsed the nominee, Barack Obama.

So what happened?

The same thing that happened for Maher, the Democrat party became a bastion of illogical nonsense, children posing as adults....and the adults started to leave the party

Somewhat accurate, but Dershowitz’s biggest reason for the change has to do with his support for Israel. I think I understand this because my late father also felt betrayed by the Democratic Party on this issue in his last few years. 
 

Conservatives love quoting  guys like Maher and Dershowitz just as liberals love quoting Never Trumper conservatives like Liz Cheney or Mitt Romney. It’s a way for each side to tell ourselves “look how extreme the other side has gotten- even so and so has said it!” 

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Somewhat accurate, but Dershowitz’s biggest reason for the change has to do with his support for Israel. I think I understand this because my late father also felt betrayed by the Democratic Party on this issue in his last few years. 
 

Conservatives love quoting  guys like Maher and Dershowitz just as liberals love quoting Never Trumper conservatives like Liz Cheney or Mitt Romney. It’s a way for each side to tell ourselves “look how extreme the other side has gotten- even so and so has said it!” 

Not exactly, he was gone from liberals in 2018 after watching the horrid ways they were inclined to behave, Israel was not really a factor for him.  When it becomes true that people like him, Maher and others start to move away, that should signal the problem.....but liberals are doubling-down on just horrible.....horrible ideas.... it chases good/sane people away.

 

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16 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

He says he knew nothing about this. Thats the case. 

No it's not the case

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16 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Right....but.....as I have maintained all along.....I do not think he is telling the truth.....now, he is not being charged for lying about paying her....since that is not a crime....in fact, there is no shortage of legal minds asserting that he is really not being charged with anything.... its just an attempt to smear and silence a political candidate.

He is charged for how he repaid Cohen, falsifying various docs in attempt to cover it up. You seem to think he did this and agree, that he was in on the scheme to conceal the payments. He says this is a lie by Cohen.

The next part is did he do this with the intent to conceal or commit another crime. We’ll see if they made a compelling case there.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

He is charged for how he repaid Cohen, falsifying various docs in attempt to cover it up. You seem to think he did this and agree, that he was in on the scheme to conceal the payments. He says this is a lie by Cohen.

The next part is did he do this with the intent to conceal or commit another crime. We’ll see if they made a compelling case there.

 

 

And yet, there is nothing to suggest that happened....and the man being used to make that assertion (Cohen) told his lawyer that fact over and over... even when making such an accusation could have saved him from jail......

Oddly, when I refer to another degenerate liar (Avenatti) who accused Daniels of extortion......I get the response that Avenatti is not reliable, because he is a liar.....well....so too is Cohen.....so which liar is now.....not lying to us?

If you think any of this is legit, that is fine, I disagree.....hopefully, this kind of legal abuse never finds you....but it might find YOUR preferred political candidate one day......this is the biggest problem with these abuses, once you set the precedent, it can be turned back on you.

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3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

And yet, there is nothing to suggest that happened....and the man being used to make that assertion (Cohen) told his lawyer that fact over and over... even when making such an accusation could have saved him from jail......

Oddly, when I refer to another degenerate liar (Avenatti) who accused Daniels of extortion......I get the response that Avenatti is not reliable, because he is a liar.....well....so too is Cohen.....so which liar is now.....not lying to us?

If you think any of this is legit, that is fine, I disagree.....hopefully, this kind of legal abuse never finds you....but it might find YOUR preferred political candidate one day......this is the biggest problem with these abuses, once you set the precedent, it can be turned back on you.

Common sense suggests it along with Pecker and Cohen giving versions of what occurred. Trump is clearly a liar on everything all the time. He is lying about the payment portion of this, that he banged this lady. 

I haven’t paid off any porn stars I’m good

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3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Common sense suggests it along with Pecker and Cohen giving versions of what occurred. Trump is clearly a liar on everything all the time. He is lying about the payment portion of this, that he banged this lady. 

I haven’t paid off any porn stars I’m good

I consent that Trump is a liar, not on the level of say Biden, but a liar....like any other politician.  SO......give me the liar that makes good policy, not bad....    that is all I ask.

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19 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

He is charged for how he repaid Cohen, falsifying various docs in attempt to cover it up. You seem to think he did this and agree, that he was in on the scheme to conceal the payments. He says this is a lie by Cohen.

The next part is did he do this with the intent to conceal or commit another crime. We’ll see if they made a compelling case there.

 

 

I've asked before and I'll ask again, not as some sort of "gotcha" but as i truly don't know and have not had it articulated yet to me, what was the falsification?  If "legal fees" or "legal expenses" was false what should it have properly been denoted?  Are there predefined and listed categories?  If so into which category should this ahve been denoted on the memo line of the check?  Did the designation change tax or licensing payments due the City or the State of New York?

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11 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Common sense suggests it along with Pecker and Cohen giving versions of what occurred. Trump is clearly a liar on everything all the time. He is lying about the payment portion of this, that he banged this lady. 

I haven’t paid off any porn stars I’m good

For average fellows like you and I it would probably be paying off strippers or crack whores, potentially even babysitters, not porn stars.  

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23 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

For average fellows like you and I it would probably be paying off strippers or crack whores, potentially even babysitters, not porn stars.  

Quite frankly I’m tired of telling them I’m taken. Flattering and all.

 

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29 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I've asked before and I'll ask again, not as some sort of "gotcha" but as i truly don't know and have not had it articulated yet to me, what was the falsification?  If "legal fees" or "legal expenses" was false what should it have properly been denoted?  Are there predefined and listed categories?  If so into which category should this ahve been denoted on the memo line of the check?  Did the designation change tax or licensing payments due the City or the State of New York?

I don’t know if there is one

That he did it this way is the issue.

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35 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I consent that Trump is a liar, not on the level of say Biden, but a liar....like any other politician.  SO......give me the liar that makes good policy, not bad....    that is all I ask.

That he made good policy is a matter of opinion

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35 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I consent that Trump is a liar, not on the level of say Biden,

Amazing. 

Actually you’re right. Trump is on his own unique level for an American political figure. You can’t really compare him to Biden or anyone else who has ever lived in this country with the possible exception of Joseph R. McCarthy. In historical terms Trump ranks as a liar among the likes of Hitler or Stalin- he is certainly not a mass murderer like they were but in terms of lying almost 100% of the time on every issue under the sun those are the only two guys I can think of who rival him in history.