Restaurant chain shuts down nearly 50 locations in California following minimum wage hike

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

Just now, RLLD said:

Incorrect. I do not possess the gifts required to reach those levels.  Not everyone does, and that is just fine.

 

So you are born without the ability to be a physicist or an NBA point guard (among other jobs)?

[RLLD 4,230]

5 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

This is silly. The business could stay open. They are closing and using an easy scapegoat to get out of personal, or corporate, responsibility. 

Incorrect.  Their maneuver is standard practice when you face such a problem. The government is the problem, if they stay out of it the market will ensure a better outcome.

[BeachGuy23 642]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Incorrect. I do not possess the gifts required to reach those levels.  Not everyone does, and that is just fine.

But everyone possesses enough gifts not to be poor huh?

[BeachGuy23 642]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Incorrect.  Their maneuver is standard practice when you face such a problem. The government is the problem, if they stay out of it the market will ensure a better outcome.

What did the government do during Trump's horrible four years that caused the chain to declare bankruptcy? 

[RLLD 4,230]

5 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

If we're not all equally allotted in talent, then it makes sense that some of us don't have enough talent to be anything but poor.  Do you think that folks with IQs around 90 have the capability to do much beyond stacking boxes or flipping burgers?  I assume you blame these poor souls for being poor?  And if you don't blame them you're talking out of both sides of your mouth as usual.

You my friend are far to low IQ to have nuanced conversations.  Just like "inflation happened the moment Biden took office = inflation is Biden's fault!"

SAD

 

We are not all equally armed with talent, that does not mean we have to be poor.  We may not achieve the same level of success as others, but we do not need to be poor. When people make good decisions they can avoid poverty....maybe then never reach "wealthy" but they can avoid poverty.

I provide sources that actually support my position, where you have none.  I get it that you really think the world is unfair, business are exploitive and such....but that is not true. 

[RLLD 4,230]

6 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Why did they declare bankruptcy during Trump's horrible four years?  That the governments fault too?

Man you have zero concept of how the real world works boyo. 

Business declare bankruptcy every day, for a variety of reasons.  That does not mean inane policies should be employed.

[RLLD 4,230]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

 

So you are born without the ability to be a physicist or an NBA point guard (among other jobs)?

Most people are born without that ability, but they have other gifts. I think it is just fine that people gifted with special abilities rise as far as they can.

 

[RLLD 4,230]

4 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

But everyone possesses enough gifts not to be poor huh?

Making bad decisions is not a gift

[RLLD 4,230]

2 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

What did the government do during Trump's horrible four years that caused the chain to declare bankruptcy? 

You trotted it out. Try mimicking my behaviors, make a good choice and source your position.....with some evidence.....

[BeachGuy23 642]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

We are not all equally armed with talent, that does not mean we have to be poor.  We may not achieve the same level of success as others, but we do not need to be poor. When people make good decisions they can avoid poverty....maybe then never reach "wealthy" but they can avoid poverty.

I provide sources that actually support my position, where you have none.  I get it that you really think the world is unfair, business are exploitive and such....but that is not true. 

Explain to me how a dude with a 90 IQ and no ability to do a job beyond minimum wage level can avoid poverty through good decisions.

They should invest all their excess money better?  Go to a better college?

Exactly how can these people avoid being poor?

How about people who have to care for several people with high medical costs through no fault of their own?  You blame them for being poor too?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,106]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Business declare bankruptcy every day, for a variety of reasons.  That does not mean inane policies should be employed.

If they declared bankruptcy during the Trump years that was 4 years ago but they managed to continue to stay open with all those locations this entire time.  This is absurd - if bankruptcy was the problem they would have closed those locations earlier, but didn't.  This wage increase was the reason - they literally said that was the reason and it's patently obvious that they were able to stay open while in a bankruptcy.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

I do not believe that legislation creates wealth.  I believe that labor does.  Politicians like to pretend that their labor, legislating, creates wealth, rather it moves it around inefficiently, consuming part of that wealth in the process.

[BeachGuy23 642]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Making bad decisions is not a gift

What bad decisions did the mother whose husband was killed in a car accident and is left with a quadriplegic child to care for and pay make that made them poor?  Since the healthcare cost of their child is what's making them poor?

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Most people are born without that ability, but they have other gifts. I think it is just fine that people gifted with special abilities rise as far as they can.

 

So bad decisions put you in poverty but you can't make good decisions to improve your lot in life?

[RLLD 4,230]

3 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Explain to me how a dude with a 90 IQ and no ability to do a job beyond minimum wage level can avoid poverty through good decisions.

They should invest all their excess money better?  Go to a better college?

Exactly how can these people avoid being poor?

How about people who have to care for several people with high medical costs through no fault of their own?  You blame them for being poor too?

I already explained it above, will not repeat it again.

[RLLD 4,230]

3 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

If they declared bankruptcy during the Trump years that was 4 years ago but they managed to continue to stay open with all those locations this entire time.  This is absurd - if bankruptcy was the problem they would have closed those locations earlier, but didn't.  This wage increase was the reason - they literally said that was the reason and it's patently obvious that they were able to stay open while in a bankruptcy.

Its just a deflection away from the actual topic.....forcing labor costs up with have a commensurate action on the part of business to offset that increase, plain and simple.

[RLLD 4,230]

3 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

What bad decisions did the mother whose husband was killed in a car accident and is left with a quadriplegic child to care for and pay make that made them poor?  Since the healthcare cost of their child is what's making them poor?

And this logical fallacy is called the appeal to extremes.  You want to trot out some example as a proof for the totality, and this is how bad decisions arise......

[BeachGuy23 642]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I already explained it above, will not repeat it again.

Please at least link to the post that you think explains this.

Cause you're lying as usual.

[RLLD 4,230]

4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

So bad decisions put you in poverty but you can't make good decisions to improve your lot in life?

According to Brookings there are actually three simple decisions that lead to the avoidance of poverty, I think starting with those is a great place. Past that there are certainly other decisions that will need to be made to sustain ones place, and perhaps improve it over time.

[BeachGuy23 642]

Just now, RLLD said:

And this logical fallacy is called the appeal to extremes.  You want to trot out some example as a proof for the totality, and this is how bad decisions arise......

LMFAO

You paint the entire country with a broad brush, I destroy your moronic idea with a simple example that is not close to extreme, TONS of folks are poor due to medical bills.

You are legit the most disingenuous and dumbest poster here.

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Please at least link to the post that you think explains this.

Cause you're lying as usual.

 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Its just a deflection away from the actual topic.....forcing labor costs up with have a commensurate action on the part of business to offset that increase, plain and simple.

correlation does not imply causation.

You know for someone who wants to say individuals are doing things in a vacuum you certainly want to handwave away corporate America as being affected by many outside factors.

Corporations will be okay without you stumping for them. 

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, BeachGuy23 said:

LMFAO

You paint the entire country with a broad brush, I destroy your moronic idea with a simple example that is not close to extreme, TONS of folks are poor due to medical bills.

You are legit the most disingenuous and dumbest poster here.

I do not paint, a legitimate study was conducted that provided three simple decisions.  Life is not that complex, we make decisions every day and if we make good ones our lives our better. 

You lack the acumen to honestly discuss this topic. 

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

correlation does not imply causation.

You know for someone who wants to say individuals are doing things in a vacuum you certainly want to handwave away corporate America as being affected by many outside factors.

Corporations will be okay without you stumping for them. 

I stump for no corporation, but I will explain how it works.  Its not that complex.  Later, when it arises that enough harm is applied we will potentially observe the same situation we recently noted in Portland....where they come back and admit they were wrong, but not before they harm alot of people.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

Just now, RLLD said:

I stump for no corporation, but I will explain how it works.  Its not that complex.  Later, when it arises that enough harm is applied we will potentially observe the same situation we recently noted in Portland....where they come back and admit they were wrong, but not before they harm alot of people.

You don't see the blatant contradictions in what you are arguing. It's amusing at this point. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

6 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I already explained it above, will not repeat it again.

Imagine believing that a hardworking and motivated person with an I.Q. of 90 can not find a job beyond minimum wage.  There are lots of repetitive labor jobs that pay well for dedicated workers.  

[BeachGuy23 642]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I do not paint, a legitimate study was conducted that provided three simple decisions.  Life is not that complex, we make decisions every day and if we make good ones our lives our better. 

You lack the acumen to honestly discuss this topic. 

Ok, so about 16% of the US has an IQ of 85 or below.  Please explain to me how the "study" you referenced applies to them.

[BeachGuy23 642]

3 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Imagine believing that a hardworking and motivated person with an I.Q. of 90 can not find a job beyond minimum wage.  There are lots of repetitive labor jobs that pay well for dedicated workers.  

Wait so no skill, repetitive labor jobs pay well now?  Do you live in opposite world or something?  Those are the very traits that make jobs pay poorly. 

Examples please.

[RLLD 4,230]

4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

You don't see the blatant contradictions in what you are arguing. It's amusing at this point. 

You fail to see the nuance, which makes sense since you also fail to understand how perverting the labor market creates problems....but it does add up for you. 

[RLLD 4,230]

4 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Imagine believing that a hardworking and motivated person with an I.Q. of 90 can not find a job beyond minimum wage.  There are lots of repetitive labor jobs that pay well for dedicated workers.  

It's a little disheartening to read people who think so poorly of people.

[RLLD 4,230]

2 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Ok, so about 16% of the US has an IQ of 85 or below.  Please explain to me how the "study" you referenced applies to them.

You insertion of "IQ" has no bearing here.  Making good decisions is possible even for those you assume are incapable of such an action. I do not think people are so stupid as you do.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

You fail to see the nuance, which makes sense since you also fail to understand how perverting the labor market creates problems....but it does add up for you. 

No I see the nuance, I understand it. You are overly simplistic in your thinking about it and what you are saying. 

[BeachGuy23 642]

9 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Imagine believing that a hardworking and motivated person with an I.Q. of 90 can not find a job beyond minimum wage.  There are lots of repetitive labor jobs that pay well for dedicated workers.  

So all the people who work as custodians, food service workers, cashiers, grocery baggers, nursing aides, etc are all unaware of these high paying jobs they could be working?

Are you unaware of the term "working poor"?

Because IRL, there are very very few decent paying jobs for the unskilled. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

On 6/5/2024 at 6:43 AM, BeachGuy23 said:

Wait so no skill, repetitive labor jobs pay well now?  Do you live in opposite world or something?  Those are the very traits that make jobs pay poorly. 

Examples please.

I did not say they pay well, just much more than minimum wage.  Already this morning I drove past a road crew.  There were flagmen, and laborers shoveling the road base along the shoulder of the road.  All make more, substantially more, than minimum wage.  How do I know, I used to haveaa ccess to the government contracts that paid them.  Across the street from me the homeowner is painting his home.  Painting is not rocket science.  They estimated my home which unfortunately for them I painted myself two years ago.  I have talked to that homeowner and know what he is paying and it is far above minimum wage.  There are crews in my neihborhood replacing roofs damaged by hail.  Good mindless work that pays well as does the kitchen renovation of my neighbor though that requires a bit more skill, still obtainable by someone with an I.Q. of 90.  Diligence, hardwork, reliability are valuble traits, traits employers will pay well for and they are plentiful among those with I.Q.'s in the 90's.

[BeachGuy23 642]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

You insertion of "IQ" has no bearing here.  Making good decisions is possible even for those you assume are incapable of such an action. I do not think people are so stupid as you do.

Your arrogance is astounding.

Folks with limited mental capacity simply aren't capable of handling any tasks beyond the very basic.  These basic tasks pay poorly and thus make them poor. 

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, BeachGuy23 said:

Your arrogance is astounding.

Folks with limited mental capacity simply aren't capable of handling any tasks beyond the very basic.  These basic tasks pay poorly and thus make them poor. 

I am saddened by your perception of people. I think when you look at people you should restrain from considering them in such a negative light. People with disabilities are capable of considerable value, I employ them and I they are often fantastic employees.

[BeachGuy23 642]

1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

I did not say they pay well, just much more than minimum wage.  Already this morning I drove past a road crew.  There were flagmen, and laborers shoeling the road base along the shoulder of the road.  All make more, substqantially more than minimum wage.  How do I know, i use to have ccess to teh government contracts taht paid them.  Across the street from me the homeowner is painting his home.  Painting is not rocket science.  They estimated my home which unfortunately for them I painted myself two years ago.  I have talked to that homeowneer and know what he is paying and it is far above minimum wage.  There are crews in my neibhborhood repalcing roofs damaged by hail.  Good mindless work tht pays well as does the kitchen renovation of my neighbor though tht requiresd a bit more skill, still obtainable by someone with an I.Q. of 90.  Diligence, hardwork, reliability arfe valuble traits, traits employers will pay well for and they aare plentiful among those with I.Q.'s in the 90's.

There are 50M people with IQs of 85 or less in this country.  You think there are 50M of these jobs?  You should aware all the people working all the chit jobs I noted that they could be making so much more money.

The arrogance of this place...SMH

It's like some of you never interact with people in different financial strata than yourselves. 

[BeachGuy23 642]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I am saddened by your perception of people. I think when you look at people you should restrain from considering them in such a negative light. People with disabilities are capable of considerable value, I employ them and I they are often fantastic employees.

Stop with the feelz and deal in facts boyo.

People with low ability mentally are very limited in their job options.  And these job options typically pay very poorly.

That's a fact.

As an aside, do you know what the average income is in the US?  Let me help.

The median income in the US is < $40k.  That means half the country makes LESS than $40k.  Since $40k for an individual isn't that far above the poverty line your arrogance forces you to say that almost half of the US is in the financial situation they're in because of bad decisions.

You're heartless. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

On 6/5/2024 at 6:49 AM, BeachGuy23 said:

So all the people who work as custodians, food service workers, cashiers, grocery baggers, nursing aides, etc are all unaware of these high paying jobs they could be working?

Are you unaware of the term "working poor"?

Because IRL, there are very very few decent paying jobs for the unskilled. 

I am aware of the term working poor.  I am also aware that we were discussing whether those with lower intellectual gifts could make well more than minimum wage.  You now want to convert that discussion to one of undefined "high paying jobs"  We were not discussing High paying jobs, just making substantially more than minimum wage.  There is a range in there, at least to my way of understanding those terms.

[edjr 6,592]

11 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Never heard of it

Do you think anyone in CA has heard of Demoulas or Market Basket?