Restaurant chain shuts down nearly 50 locations in California following minimum wage hike

[jerryskids 6,737]

19 minutes ago, torridjoe said:

Well of course not, esp in Cali it’s closer to $25 or more. What is a “starter” job and why are they beneath your dignity? 

I just said it was for HS kids with no training or education.

Are you high?

if not, why do you waste my time by replying without reading my posts?

[torridjoe 48]

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I just said it was for HS kids with no training or education.

Are you high?

if not, why do you waste my time by replying without reading my posts?

But it’s not, so I asked for you to explain. Where is a “starter job” defined and why do so many people who aren’t “starting” have them? Furthermore why do people in “starter” jobs deserve to have their labor exploited worse than “non-starter” employees? When you “start” needing to work to eat and live, why is it OK to not pay those people sufficient resources to do so?

[torridjoe 48]

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I just said it was for HS kids with no training or education.

Are you high?

if not, why do you waste my time by replying without reading my posts?

And of course I’m high (tho I didn’t even start until 9pm today, it varies). Me high is smarter than 90% of you yokels after 3 cups of joe. 

[5-Points 3,487]

8 hours ago, weepaws said:

Mmm why did they keep the Governor in office.  

Thanks. 

He was recalled. They rigged it. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

9 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Liberals will think it’s funny because that’s where working class families eat. 

Geek club: we support working class families.

Also geek club: you're being paid too much to work.

[RLLD 4,202]

9 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Rubios can blame the minimum wage but the truth is they’re a mediocre product who over expanded in an area where there are Mexican restaurants and taco stands on every corner. There are restaurants thriving here everywhere. 
 

Also, and this I say with direct, inside knowledge: Rubio’s site selector and director of leasing did very poor jobs choosing locations and signing leases. 

You may be correct in your assessment, that this service provider was not the best.  But pretending it was not the rising costs, of labor, in California is simply pretending away the destructive influence of government mandating the market. As these stores, and others, close, they reduce the available jobs and also the tax base.

These jobs were never designed to be paid at this level, they are not careers, they are intended for young kids to make some extra money and then gain work experience they can leverage to get that next-better job.

This is all just thoughtless pandering to make the public think they care without any thought for the wider and longer term consequences.   Later,  after enough people have been harmed they will likely make some adjustment and do that standard Democrat "oops, I guess we were wrong...."

[GutterBoy 2,899]

11 minutes ago, RLLD said:

You may be correct in your assessment, that this service provider was not the best.  But pretending it was not the rising costs, of labor, in California is simply pretending away the destructive influence of government mandating the market. As these stores, and others, close, they reduce the available jobs and also the tax base.

These jobs were never designed to be paid at this level, they are not careers, they are intended for young kids to make some extra money and then gain work experience they can leverage to get that next-better job.

This is all just thoughtless pandering to make the public think they care without any thought for the wider and longer term consequences.   Later,  after enough people have been harmed they will likely make some adjustment and do that standard Democrat "oops, I guess we were wrong...."

You might be correct with intent, but that's not reality.

Reality is that over half of minimum wage workers are over the age of 25.  Meanwhile the wealth gap is greater than any time in history.  The rich and corporations just got a huge tax cut to widen that even more.

I simply don't get how everyday Americans keep arguing for the rich elites to get richer at their expense.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

9 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Ah you got me. It had been awhile since I was wrong so I’ll take this one.

I see you are ignoring the part about them declaring bankruptcy 3.5 years ago though 

Righties ignore the trump era bankruptcy b cause it destroys their minimum wage narrative.

Same with OH MUH RED LOBSTER ECONOMY SUCKS.  No idiot, they were pilfered by PE.

[RLLD 4,202]

19 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

You might be correct with intent, but that's not reality.

Reality is that over half of minimum wage workers are over the age of 25.  Meanwhile the wealth gap is greater than any time in history.  The rich and corporations just got a huge tax cut to widen that even more.

I simply don't get how everyday Americans keep arguing for the rich elites to get richer at their expense.

The reality of people making poor life decisions can result in more people over the age of 25 being in those jobs. That does not mean we then bulk up job compensation for them.  Part of the reason they find themselves in those jobs is the very solution being afforded them, more money for no reason.

Those who make better choices enjoy better lives and outcomes, its a great solution to inspire people to achieve.

[Sean Mooney 1,971]

21 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

You might be correct with intent, but that's not reality.

Reality is that over half of minimum wage workers are over the age of 25.  Meanwhile the wealth gap is greater than any time in history.  The rich and corporations just got a huge tax cut to widen that even more.

I simply don't get how everyday Americans keep arguing for the rich elites to get richer at their expense.

As long as the rich people get to eat cake, the commoners are okay with crumbs.

17 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Righties ignore the trump era bankruptcy b cause it destroys their minimum wage narrative.

Same with OH MUH RED LOBSTER ECONOMY SUCKS.  No idiot, they were pilfered by PE.

MAH NARRATIVE!!!

[TimHauck 2,746]

18 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Righties ignore the trump era bankruptcy b cause it destroys their minimum wage narrative.

Same with OH MUH RED LOBSTER ECONOMY SUCKS.  No idiot, they were pilfered by PE.

Interestingly the Fox Business article didn’t even mention the bankruptcy. It mentioned Red Lobster though!

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

The reality of people making poor life decisions can result in more people over the age of 25 being in those jobs. That does not mean we then bulk up job compensation for them.  Part of the reason they find themselves in those jobs is the very solution being afforded them, more money for no reason.

Those who make better choices enjoy better lives and outcomes, its a great solution to inspire people to achieve.

Oh so the reason they're poor is they make poor life choices now?  Huh.  You've been making the case that the reason they're poor is because of Biden here for months, and you've been railing on anyone that doesnt empathize with what they're going through.  But now it's because they made bad choices. You're hilarious.

[Sean Mooney 1,971]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Interestingly the Fox Business article didn’t even mention the bankruptcy. It mentioned Red Lobster though!

Also, the article itself doesn't really explicitly tie it to the minimum wage. It basically says here are some reasons why the company says they are closing the stores...also the minimum wage went up to 20 dollars an hour. 

[RLLD 4,202]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Oh so the reason they're poor is they make poor life choices now?  Huh.  You've been making the case that the reason they're poor is because of Biden here for months, and you've been railing on anyone that doesnt empathize with what they're going through.  But now it's because they made bad choices. You're hilarious.

Correct.  People who do not meet with success in this design typically make bad decisions.  Its not like those who can make it well in this world are just "lucky". People who strive get results. Pretending its just that the world is not fair is part of the reason the issue increases.  When you remove accountability in this way you pave the way for bad outcomes. Were it not true that there are an abundance of people out there who bust their arse every day and achieve success your point might have more merit....but the examples of how to leverage this construct are all around us.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Correct.  People who do not meet with success in this design typically make bad decisions.  Its not like those who can make it well in this world are just "lucky". People who strive get results. Pretending its just that the world is not fair is part of the reason the issue increases.  When you remove accountability in this way you pave the way for bad outcomes. Were it not true that there are an abundance of people out there who bust their arse every day and achieve success your point might have more merit....but the examples of how to leverage this construct are all around us.

So anyone suffering from inflation right now just made bad choices, got it.  I'll remember that.

[TimHauck 2,746]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Correct.  People who do not meet with success in this design typically make bad decisions.  Its not like those who can make it well in this world are just "lucky". People who strive get results. Pretending its just that the world is not fair is part of the reason the issue increases.  When you remove accountability in this way you pave the way for bad outcomes. Were it not true that there are an abundance of people out there who bust their arse every day and achieve success your point might have more merit....but the examples of how to leverage this construct are all around us.

Good to know that Hunter Biden has made good decisions to ensure his financial success.

[RLLD 4,202]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

So anyone suffering from inflation right now just made bad choices, got it.  I'll remember that.

Inflation.....you mean the Biden tax on the poor? Oh yeah, that is nasty....they did nothing to deserve that, and sadly they likely will not learn from it....and will vote Democrat again.

Now, back to the topic, people were "poor" before inflation was thrust upon them, why might that be the case?  Hmmmm....is it just simply that they were unlucky? Or....could it be that they made poor choices?  I mean, some of them rise out of poverty right? Annnnnddd....enter the NFL?  And how is it that THOSE folks sometimes end up back in poverty? Just unlucky?

[RLLD 4,202]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Good to know that Hunter Biden has made good decisions to ensure his financial success.

Yikes.....  Hunter is a sad sack man.... I really think he was his fathers useful idiot....a bagman that absolutely made some really bad choices in his life, but happened to also be useful to a guy in his father who was able to take advantage of the fact that his son is a garbage human, to make use of him....  there is no reason to hate on Hunter, the dood is just a victim of his own father...

[GutterBoy 2,899]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Inflation.....you mean the Biden tax on the poor? Oh yeah, that is nasty....they did nothing to deserve that, and sadly they likely will not learn from it....and will vote Democrat again.

Now, back to the topic, people were "poor" before inflation was thrust upon them, why might that be the case?  Hmmmm....is it just simply that they were unlucky? Or....could it be that they made poor choices?  I mean, some of them rise out of poverty right? Annnnnddd....enter the NFL?  And how is it that THOSE folks sometimes end up back in poverty? Just unlucky?

Are you just playing a character at this point?  I mean in one post you say that people that are poor did nothing to deserve being poor, then you say they're poor because they make bad choices.  Well which is it?

Do you think anyone here buys the sh1t you shovel?  You're a clown show dude, seriously.

[TimHauck 2,746]

11 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Yikes.....  Hunter is a sad sack man.... I really think he was his fathers useful idiot....a bagman that absolutely made some really bad choices in his life, but happened to also be useful to a guy in his father who was able to take advantage of the fact that his son is a garbage human, to make use of him....  there is no reason to hate on Hunter, the dood is just a victim of his own father...

He’s certainly not poor though.   Would it be fair to say his wealth is an example of being privileged?

[RLLD 4,202]

5 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Are you just playing a character at this point?  I mean in one post you say that people that are poor did nothing to deserve being poor, then you say they're poor because they make bad choices.  Well which is it?

Do you think anyone here buys the sh1t you shovel?  You're a clown show dude, seriously.

I did not realize that I suggested the poor did nothing to deserve being poor.  If that was actually stated somewhere then I was speaking in error.

If you find yourself poor in this nation then you have made bad choices. This is not rocket science. You can ignore this fact, but it will remain.

This is a major failure of the liberal mind.....pretending we are all equally allotted in terms of ability, and of the system were just more fair everyone would have equity....which is galactically stupid, not to mention abhorrent....

Its time to grow up and set aside this childish notions of how the world works

[RLLD 4,202]

Just now, TimHauck said:

He’s certainly not poor though.   Would it be fair to say his wealth is an example of being privileged?

So then....you want to pluck up some example of actual privilege as a "proof". Its a tactic, I grant you that. I am wondering if you understand which logical fallacy you are using....instead of discussing the idea.

[Sean Mooney 1,971]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I did not realize that I suggested the poor did nothing to deserve being poor.  If that was actually stated somewhere then I was speaking in error.

If you find yourself poor in this nation then you have made bad choices. This is not rocket science. You can ignore this fact, but it will remain.

This is a major failure of the liberal mind.....pretending we are all equally allotted in terms of ability, and of the system were just more fair everyone would have equity....which is galactically stupid, not to mention abhorrent....

Its time to grow up and set aside this childish notions of how the world works

That is overly simplistic in many cases

[TimHauck 2,746]

Just now, RLLD said:

So then....you want to pluck up some example of actual privilege as a "proof". Its a tactic, I grant you that. I am wondering if you understand which logical fallacy you are using....instead of discussing the idea.

 

23 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Its not like those who can make it well in this world are just "lucky"

 

[RLLD 4,202]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

That is overly simplistic in many cases

Perhaps...but as Tim has done with reducing the argument to some over simplified example, I am also empowered then to do the same. right?

If we were to consider a "solution" we would start with this approach...making better decisions would have the most immediate and palpable positive impact. Past that initial solution we can get more into other aspects, and there absolutely are other aspects.

[RLLD 4,202]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

 

You seem to follow the MDC path of refusing to post what you actually mean, just coming in from the sidelines with nothing much of value.  I stand by both of those posts, they are not mutually exclusive.

[Sean Mooney 1,971]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Perhaps...but as Tim has done with reducing the argument to some over simplified example, I am also empowered then to do the same. right?

If we were to consider a "solution" we would start with this approach...making better decisions would have the most immediate and palpable positive impact. Past that initial solution we can get more into other aspects, and there absolutely are other aspects.

Perhaps....but decisions in this world don't happen in vacuums. 

 

[RLLD 4,202]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

Perhaps....but decisions in this world don't happen in vacuums. 

 

Agree.  Who your parents are, and what decisions they made are also a big influence....

But we have evidence to understand that there are simple things, and those things are your decisions.

The Brookings Institute is a left-leaning org that explained this rather well, noting that their analysis of Census Bureau data, is that young people can virtually assure that they and their families will avoid poverty if they follow three elementary rules for success – complete at least a high school education, work full time, and wait until age 21 and get complete at least a high school education, work full time, and wait until age 21 and getmarried before having a baby....

So we have documented evidence from a reliable source that it is in fact decisions......and then we can get past the simple stuff and more into the weeds of the minutia

[Engorgeous George 2,296]

9 hours ago, torridjoe said:

So they closed them to avoid paying a fair wage? that. 

My post was only to clarify the numbers for another poster.  I have no information on the reason for the closures other than what is alleged in the article.  I have no reason to doubt or to believe the article. As for whether the wage is fqair or not I leave that to others though I do believe that the market is a better determinant of fair than are politicians.  

[BeachGuy23 642]

20 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I did not realize that I suggested the poor did nothing to deserve being poor.  If that was actually stated somewhere then I was speaking in error.

If you find yourself poor in this nation then you have made bad choices. This is not rocket science. You can ignore this fact, but it will remain.

This is a major failure of the liberal mind.....pretending we are all equally allotted in terms of ability, and of the system were just more fair everyone would have equity....which is galactically stupid, not to mention abhorrent....

Its time to grow up and set aside this childish notions of how the world works

On one hand you say the poor made bad decisions to be poor.  On the next hand you say that we're not all equally allotted in terms of ability.

As usual you talk out of both sides of your mouth boyo.

And inflation was the result of Trump's reckless spending and destruction of supply chains, we've been through this before where I destroyed you with facts.  Inflation is a LAGGING indicator, which I've sourced many times before, which means the causes of inflation take time to matriculate their way through the economy.

Anyone with a brain knows this.  Inflation had tripled after Biden had been in office less then 3 months.  It's IMPOSSIBLE to claim Biden caused this since as I've proven prior, inflation is a lagging indicator.

Now back to you talking out of both sides of your mouth as usual...

SAD

[RLLD 4,202]

Just now, Engorgeous George said:

My post was only to clarify the numbers for another poster.  I have no information on the reason for the closures other than what is alleged in the article.  I have no reason to doubt or to believe the article. As for whether the wage is fqair or not I leave that to others though I do believe that the market is a better determinant of fair than are politicians.  

If costs rise reducing labor is a natural and accepted hedge against those rising costs.....along with other tools.  The government does not seem to understand this. Hence their reckless intrusion into the markets on occasion. 

It is comical for folks to pretend its the businesses being mean, when it is just the market behaving as it should.

[BeachGuy23 642]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

If costs rise reducing labor is a natural and accepted hedge against those rising costs.....along with other tools.  The government does not seem to understand this. Hence their reckless intrusion into the markets on occasion. 

It is comical for folks to pretend its the businesses being mean, when it is just the market behaving as it should.

Correct.  The market is "forcing" a bad business to close.  That's why they declared bankruptcy during Trump's terrible four years. 

[RLLD 4,202]

Just now, BeachGuy23 said:

On one hand you say the poor made decisions to be poor.  On the next hand you say that we're not all equally allotted in terms of ability.

As usual you talk out of both sides of your mouth boyo.

And inflation was the result of Trump's reckless spending and destruction of supply chains, we've been through this before where I destroyed you with facts.  Inflation is a LAGGING indicator, which I've sourced many times before, which means the causes of inflation take time to matriculate their way through the economy.

Anyone with a brain knows this.  Inflation had tripled after Biden had been in office less then 3 months.  It's IMPOSSIBLE to claim Biden caused this since as I've proven prior, inflation is a lagging indicator.

Now back to you talking out of both sides of your mouth as usual...

SAD

We are not all equally allotted in terms of availability. I will never be an NBA point guard, nor a physicist. Some will....and its not unfair, they just have more gifts than I do....there is nothing "unfair" in that.

Now....I get that this concept is not resonating for you......but in this nation, you have the ability to rise out of your station into higher station, if you make good choices.

Inflation existed before Trump, and will exist after him, what is rare is the stupidity of someone like Biden to inflame it with poor decisions.

You seem to lack the cognitive ability to speak forthrightly about these concepts.

[RLLD 4,202]

2 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Correct.  The market is "forcing" a bad business to close.  That's why they declared bankruptcy during Trump's terrible four years. 

Incorrect.  The government influenced the market, causing labor costs to rise.....the business has to react to this influence and will reduce their labor footprint, raise prices and likely even lower their portions....so what the government is then doing is harming a swath of people to help a small set who have made poor life decisions....not mention diluting their own tax revenue

 

[Sean Mooney 1,971]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

We are not all equally allotted in terms of availability. I will never be an NBA point guard, nor a physicist. Some will....and its not unfair, they just have more gifts than I do....there is nothing "unfair" in that.

Now....I get that this concept is not resonating for you......but in this nation, you have the ability to rise out of your station into higher station, if you make good choices.

Inflation existed before Trump, and will exist after him, what is rare is the stupidity of someone like Biden to inflame it with poor decisions.

You seem to lack the cognitive ability to speak forthrightly about these concepts.

You could've been an NBA point guard or physicist. You just didn't work hard enough to develop those skills

[Sean Mooney 1,971]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Incorrect.  The government influenced the market, causing labor costs to rise.....the business has to react to this influence and will reduce their labor footprint, raise prices and likely even lower their portions....so what the government is then doing is harming a swath of people to help a small set who have made poor life decisions....not mention diluting their own tax revenue

 

This is silly. The business could stay open. They are closing and using an easy scapegoat to get out of personal, or corporate, responsibility. 

[BeachGuy23 642]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

We are not all equally allotted in terms of availability. I will never be an NBA point guard, nor a physicist. Some will....and its not unfair, they just have more gifts than I do....there is nothing "unfair" in that.

Now....I get that this concept is not resonating for you......but in this nation, you have the ability to rise out of your station into higher station, if you make good choices.

Inflation existed before Trump, and will exist after him, what is rare is the stupidity of someone like Biden to inflame it with poor decisions.

You seem to lack the cognitive ability to speak forthrightly about these concepts.

If we're not all equally allotted in talent, then it makes sense that some of us don't have enough talent to be anything but poor.  Do you think that folks with IQs around 90 have the capability to do much beyond stacking boxes or flipping burgers?  I assume you blame these poor souls for being poor?  And if you don't blame them you're talking out of both sides of your mouth as usual.

You my friend are far to low IQ to have nuanced conversations.  Just like "inflation happened the moment Biden took office = inflation is Biden's fault!"

SAD

 

[BeachGuy23 642]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Incorrect.  The government influenced the market, causing labor costs to rise.....the business has to react to this influence and will reduce their labor footprint, raise prices and likely even lower their portions....so what the government is then doing is harming a swath of people to help a small set who have made poor life decisions....not mention diluting their own tax revenue

 

Why did they declare bankruptcy during Trump's horrible four years?  That the governments fault too?

Man you have zero concept of how the real world works boyo. 

[BeachGuy23 642]

5 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

You could've been an NBA point guard or physicist. You just didn't work hard enough to develop those skills

RLLD simply isn't enough of a nuanced thinker to understand that broad brushes don't work when you get down to specific situations.

Like a mentally challenged person who is poor.  Or that inflation takes many months to work its way through the economy.

Remember according to RLLD it's better to not have a job than to have high inflation and higher wages. 

[RLLD 4,202]

5 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

You could've been an NBA point guard or physicist. You just didn't work hard enough to develop those skills

Incorrect. I do not possess the gifts required to reach those levels.  Not everyone does, and that is just fine.