Any Love for Love?

[weepaws 3,158]

Price difference being what it is, I’ll take awesome, Which is league winner material.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,488]

21 hours ago, Gepetto said:

My keeper decision is between Jordan Love and Anthony Richardson. I like both and it's a start 2 QB league. I would definitely redraft A Richardson if I keep Love, hard to know how much he will cost in an Auction this year though. If I keep Richardson I'm ok drafting Love or another QB that can be a quality starter. A Richardson costs a bit more to keep 7% vs for Love 2% of total auction dollars. We are only allowed to keep one quarterback.

 

thoughts?

I'd keep Love and not think twice.  He's in a much better situation to put up better numbers.  He has a lot of weapons, a good line, and a good arm & grasp for the game.  Richardson got hurt twice in his first 4 games.  His legs were the reason for his good numbers, rushing for at least 30 yards and 1 TD in each of his first 3 games... he didn't last long enough in Game 4 to replicate that.  I like his talent, but I'm not buying him at the price he's going at.  I'd only invest in him as a QB2 because I have no idea if he'll even make it half way through the season.

If there's someone willing to give you something good for him, I'd trade him.  Otherwise, I'd throw him back and force someone to overpay for him.

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[GobbleDog 985]

Jeesh, teams sure are quick to hand out monster contracts based on limited success. Lawrence, Tua and now Love.

Dak Prescott has to like that.

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20 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

Jeesh, teams sure are quick to hand out monster contracts based on limited success. Lawrence, Tua and now Love.

Dak Prescott has to like that.

There isnt much alternative.  Its the way it is.  If you dont, someone else will.  In 2 years these guys wont be top 5 paid at the position.   Look at where Allen's contract ranks already.  

Cowboys could be the team that bucks the system and says we have seen enough to try something else.   Dak had a good year, but he is Dak.  They werent able to go "all in" this year.  They are in limbo of a good team that has been maxed out.  They had one of the better defenses.  They have a guy like Lamb who still needs a contract.  Even though it is crumbling, Dak has enjoyed one of the better OLines over the years.  Honestly not sure what the plan is for thr Cowboys.  Jerrah said they were all in this year, as they did close to nothing and got worse.  

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1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

Cowboys could be the team that bucks the system and says we have seen enough to try something else.   Dak had a good year, but he is Dak.  

They made him an offer last week. No details, but Dak reportedly wants $60 mill per year... which would top Lawrence and Burrow ($55 mil).

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17 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

They made him an offer last week. No details, but Dak reportedly wants $60 mill per year... which would top Lawrence and Burrow ($55 mil).

And I get it if I am Dak.  Not sure how Cowboys are financially set up, I assume not great.  Hard to pay the highest QB contract plus a top WR contract.  As seen with Mahomes, now Allen is if you pay your QB you have to let them make players around them.  Dak is 2-5 in the playoffs with usually a top roster on paper.   Cowboys paying Dak would be much more straight forward if it was his first big deal with room to grow.  But Dak has taken them to nice regular seasons with hardly any real push at a run.   And that was with very nice rosters.  To pay him is almost conceding to coming up short again and again.  But its hard not to.  

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On 7/15/2024 at 9:20 AM, TBayXXXVII said:

Over the last 8 weeks of the season, when they finished 6-2, he was on a 593 attempt pace (for a season).  The prior 9, when they were 3-6, he was on pace for a 567 attempt season. 

He finished as a QB5 last year in my league, and I see that as his floor for this year.  I think top 3 is reasonable

First nine ... 2,009 yds, 58.7% 14 Td, 10 Int, 2 rush Td... Qb 17 pt/gm

Last eight... 2,150 yds, 70.2%, 18 Td, 1 Int, 2 rush Td ... Qb 4 pt/gm

Can't argue he's a bad pick at Qb 9 adp, but which guy shows up?

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2 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

First nine ... 2,009 yds, 58.7% 14 Td, 10 Int, 2 rush Td... Qb 17 pt/gm

Last eight... 2,150 yds, 70.2%, 18 Td, 1 Int, 2 rush Td ... Qb 4 pt/gm

Can't argue he's a bad pick at Qb 9 adp, but which guy shows up?

I'm all in. Stroud is going QB6 which is ridiculous considering it was 1 season and choppy at that. 

Love at QB9 is about right. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

2 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

First nine ... 2,009 yds, 58.7% 14 Td, 10 Int, 2 rush Td... Qb 17 pt/gm

Last eight... 2,150 yds, 70.2%, 18 Td, 1 Int, 2 rush Td ... Qb 4 pt/gm

Can't argue he's a bad pick at Qb 9 adp, but which guy shows up?

Given that the first nine were basically the first nine NFL games he ever played, there’s a pretty strong case for putting more emphasis on the last eight.

I like Love this year.

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28 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Given that the first nine were basically the first nine NFL games he ever played, there’s a pretty strong case for putting more emphasis on the last eight.

That's fair. I'd be a little more confident if there was amazing talent around him. Reed Wr 35, Watson Wr 43, Musgrave Te 17...  also worry about their overworked Rb.

One thing going for him - Green Bay always seem to have one of the better o-lines. 3rd fewest sacks allowed last year.

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30 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Given that the first nine were basically the first nine NFL games he ever played, there’s a pretty strong case for putting more emphasis on the last eight.

I like Love this year.

Great points, I agree. I don't see anyway that he can hurt you at QB9. 

[weepaws 3,158]

Plus Jacobs will be having a top ten rb ff season. 

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1 hour ago, weepaws said:

Plus Jacobs will be having a top ten rb ff season. 

Man, you love yourself some Jacobs. 

I'm not a hater but I don't think he's getting the volume that you're expecting in GB. 

[wolves111 104]

3 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

That's fair. I'd be a little more confident if there was amazing talent around him. Reed Wr 35, Watson Wr 43, Musgrave Te 17...  also worry about their overworked Rb.

One thing going for him - Green Bay always seem to have one of the better o-lines. 3rd fewest sacks allowed last year.

This kid Reed had a sneaky good year. He’s not the fastest or the biggest but reminds me of a solid # 3 for ff

[weepaws 3,158]

Been reading reports about Watson seeing a specialist about his hammy problems,  if he can stay healthy, big if, his adp is very good. 

[GobbleDog 985]

23 minutes ago, wolves111 said:

This kid Reed had a sneaky good year. He’s not the fastest or the biggest but reminds me of a solid # 3 for ff

I've looked a bit at Reed and I'm intrigued. 5'11" 187 lbs out of Mich St... 2nd rd pick. Had a respectable rookie year playing slot - 94 tar, 64 rec, 8 Tds. Watson is the deep threat, Doubs is the other split.

Hard to guess where the targets fall this year with Watson missing so many games last year. Still, Reed's rookie campaign was impressive and seems to have a connection with Love - who being a young Wr probably likes that short-yardage slot pass.

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19 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

That's fair. I'd be a little more confident if there was amazing talent around him. Reed Wr 35, Watson Wr 43, Musgrave Te 17...  also worry about their overworked Rb.

One thing going for him - Green Bay always seem to have one of the better o-lines. 3rd fewest sacks allowed last year.

Packers offense is stacked.

Doubs Wicks and Reed would all be 1000 yard WRs on many other teams.  

The stats beyond the stats prove this.  

 

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15 hours ago, weepaws said:

Been reading reports about Watson seeing a specialist about his hammy problems,  if he can stay healthy, big if, his adp is very good. 

Nah.  They spread it around too much.  He will have some big games but the ball is being spread.   Hes a weapon but as pure WRs ill take Doubs or Wicks over him.  

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15 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

I've looked a bit at Reed and I'm intrigued. 5'11" 187 lbs out of Mich St... 2nd rd pick. Had a respectable rookie year playing slot - 94 tar, 64 rec, 8 Tds. Watson is the deep threat, Doubs is the other split.

Hard to guess where the targets fall this year with Watson missing so many games last year. Still, Reed's rookie campaign was impressive and seems to have a connection with Love - who being a young Wr probably likes that short-yardage slot pass.

Its easy to know where the targets will fall.  They are chalked full of talent and Love and Lafleur like to spread it around.   

People get so used to QBs needing a guy to force it to.  That is not the case in GB.  They dont want a diva selfish needy #1.  It worked very well for them last year as a bunch of 22 year olds.  

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53 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Packers offense is stacked.

Doubs Wicks and Reed would all be 1000 yard WRs on many other teams.  

The stats beyond the stats prove this.  

 

Homer alert!  

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22 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Its easy to know where the targets will fall.  They are chalked full of talent and Love and Lafleur like to spread it around.  

Noticed that earlier only twice did a Packer's Wr break 100 yds... wk 17 and 18. Even red-zone - Doubs 9 targets inside the ten, scored 6.  Reed had 8 targets, scored 4.

Still, Reed probably builds some after an impressive rookie year. Especially if teams keep blitzing Love and he needs those short targets - finished as the most blitzed qb. Guess teams wanted to test the newbie.

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12 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Homer alert!  

These are good WRs.  Any schlub can look at stats and say well these guys arent good.  

Doubs just mopped up Jaire Alexander in 1 on 1s.  Doubs just went off against a good cowboys defense in thr playoffs.  Doubs is very capable.  

Looking at stats of a 2nd year player and saying welp hes mid is just lazy.  

Listen 2 the homers.  They actually follow these teams.  

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20 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Noticed that earlier only twice did a Packer's Wr break 100 yds... wk 17 and 18. Even red-zone - Doubs 9 targets inside the ten, scored 6.  Reed had 8 targets, scored 4.

Still, Reed probably builds some after an impressive rookie year. Especially if teams keep blitzing Love and he needs those short targets - finished as the most blitzed qb. Guess teams wanted to test the newbie.

I wouldnt be that surprised if any of the Packers top 4 WRs led thr team on stats.  Bo Melton was getting targets at the end of the year.  Love doesnt care who he throws it to.  

Wicks is maybe their best WR.   

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16 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

These are good WRs.  Any schlub can look at stats and say well these guys arent good.  

Doubs just mopped up Jaire Alexander in 1 on 1s.  Doubs just went off against a good cowboys defense in thr playoffs.  Doubs is very capable.  

Looking at stats of a 2nd year player and saying welp hes mid is just lazy.  

Listen 2 the homers.  They actually follow these teams.  

Doubs, yes, I do believe he is good. That’s been evident since his rookie year. Does need to put it all together though

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16 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Doubs, yes, I do believe he is good. That’s been evident since his rookie year. Does need to put it all together though

But what does he have to put together?  He absolutely torched a good Cowboys defense when it mattered in the playoffs.  His route running and hands are evident.   Jaire a teammate said hes one of the best in the league.  Of course hes his teammate so I am sure thats a bit much but none the less.  

When asked who can breakout this year Love said a lot of guys.  But mentioned that Wicks..their 4th on paper...could have a "moster year"....his words.  

Its not these WRs fault they are deep at the position and Lafleur runs a scheme where it spreads it.  

My whole point was they are chalk full of good offensive players.  The next gen stats back it up too.  

There will be no bell cow.   We know exactly where thr ball will go...all over the place.  But to go back to what Gobble said..I wouldnt worry about Love's lack of weapons.  He has plenty. Everyone thinks you need a Jamar Chase.  Packers proved already you do not ...just last year.  As a bunch of 22 year olds.  

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2 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Nah.  They spread it around too much.  He will have some big games but the ball is being spread.   Hes a weapon but as pure WRs ill take Doubs or Wicks over him.  

Is ADP is a wr4, that’s pretty good,  I’ll take him.  

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15 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Is ADP is a wr4, that’s pretty good,  I’ll take him.  

You are right.  I thought he was going higher than that.  Thats not bad at all.  He will have a ton of 20 yard games and some big games.  Hed be great in  those best ball drafts but I dont do those.  

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1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

But what does he have to put together?  He absolutely torched a good Cowboys defense when it mattered in the playoffs.  His route running and hands are evident.   Jaire a teammate said hes one of the best in the league.  Of course hes his teammate so I am sure thats a bit much but none the less.  

When asked who can breakout this year Love said a lot of guys.  But mentioned that Wicks..their 4th on paper...could have a "moster year"....his words.  

Its not these WRs fault they are deep at the position and Lafleur runs a scheme where it spreads it.  

My whole point was they are chalk full of good offensive players.  The next gen stats back it up too.  

There will be no bell cow.   We know exactly where thr ball will go...all over the place.  But to go back to what Gobble said..I wouldnt worry about Love's lack of weapons.  He has plenty. Everyone thinks you need a Jamar Chase.  Packers proved already you do not ...just last year.  As a bunch of 22 year olds.  

You do need a gotta have it guy. But that’s more for real football than fantasy. I do agree with your point that the Packers can move the ball with what they’ve got

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15 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

You do need a gotta have it guy. But that’s more for real football than fantasy. I do agree with your point that the Packers can move the ball with what they’ve got

Gotta have it guys are nice.  But you dont need one.  If you have a coach with a good scheme and a QB who is willing to spread the love....someone is open.  You throw it to that guy.  

Josh Allen will be better not having to force it to Diggs.  Diggs was lights out first half of season.  Down thr end stretch he was the gotta have it guy.  He dropped a bomb vs KC in thr playoffs right through his hands.  Gotta have it guys have several paris of eyes on them at the end of games or on 3rd down.  Relying on throwing it to the double covered WR that everyone in the stadium knows wants thr ball in crunch time....well they will be tight windows.  Id rather throw it to the open guy.  

GB is breaking the mold.  WRs are paid so much these days.  Look around at the greats at the position and count to SBs.   Drafting well and throwing several darts in thr mid rounds is the way to go.  Theyve been great at it for a while now.  When you have a top paid QB, its almost the only sensible route to go.   If the Cowboys pay Lamb and Dak at thr same time, they are in trouble roster wise going forward.   

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1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

Gotta have it guys are nice.  But you dont need one.  If you have a coach with a good scheme and a QB who is willing to spread the love....someone is open.  You throw it to that gut.  

Josh Allen will be better not having to force it to Diggs.  Diggs was lights out first half of season.  Down thr end stretch he was the gotta have it guy.  He dropped a bomb vs KC in thr playoffs right through his hands.  Gotta have it guys have several paris of eyes on them at the end of games or on 3rd down.  Relying on throwing it to the double covered WR that everyone in the stadium knows wants thr ball in crunch time....well they will be tight windows.  Id rather throw it to the open guy.  

GB is breaking the mold.  WRs are paid so much these days.  Look around at the greats at the position and count to SBs.   Drafting well and throwing several darts in thr mid rounds is the way to go.  Theyve been great at it for a while now.  When you have a top paid QB, its almost the only sensible route to go.   If the Cowboys pay Lamb and Dak at thr same time, they are in trouble roster wise going forward.   

Sure but the gotta have it guy opens things up for others. Everyone knows you want to get the ball to them and you’ll try, but if it isn’t there hopefully you’ve got an open guy in the flat or underneath because the defense is focused so much on the gotta have it guy. Anyway, they’re a pretty good team and I’m not intending to rip on them in any way. Just think someone needs to separate from the pack a little bit (no pun intended).

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2 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Sure but the gotta have it guy opens things up for others. Everyone knows you want to get the ball to them and you’ll try, but if it isn’t there hopefully you’ve got an open guy in the flat or underneath because the defense is focused so much on the gotta have it guy. Anyway, they’re a pretty good team and I’m not intending to rip on them in any way. Just think someone needs to separate from the pack a little bit (no pun intended).

I can agree with that.  A guy getting doubled definitely can open it up.  But they also demand targets and dont want to be a decoy.  At times last year Josh would force it to Diggs just because.  Rodgers with Adams as well. They were great at it because Adams is so elite off the line.  But id rather have the current crop of maybe a bunch of #2s 4 deep.  Than Adams, Lazard, MVS.  Rodgers was injured that final year and didnt play too well.  But its amazing how thr offense was able to roll when Love played within Lafleurs system.  

Id love all 4 of them to level up again.  But in the end there are so many snaps and balls to go around.  Wicks and Doubs were great at creating separation.  Reed was great as a rookie.  Hell Melton showed ability.  2 young talented TEs.  Then they like to run the ball as well.  Be hard for any one WR to end up with big stats even if they prove to be the guy.  If you took Watson out and Higgins in there, Id imagine Higgins would not see the stats he saw as the #2 in cincy.    

[weepaws 3,158]

Not good, Jacobs has another hammy issue, I might not be right about him.  

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Doubs been dominating.  Today it was Wicks.  

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2 hours ago, weepaws said:

Not good, Jacobs has another hammy issue, I might not be right about him.  

The injuries arent of much concern as of now.  Basically vet rest days if you have a tweak.  RBs dont do a whole lot of stuff in camp with no tackling.  Well at least vets that understand blitz pickups and stuff. 

I believe it is a groin.   

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33 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

The injuries arent of much concern as of now.

Very True. Lot of Simps on here overreacting to every blurb they read on Rotoworld...

[weepaws 3,158]

I hope so, I have Jacobs on a lot of my mock teams 

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On 8/1/2024 at 4:47 PM, weepaws said:

I hope so, I have Jacobs on a lot of my mock teams 

He said he would have played if it was a game.  They are just starting to put pads on.  No need to work a vet RB each and every practice.  Now if he keeps tweaking it all season sure.  But id imagine all teams have a top player or 2 have a "tweak" and sit out.  

I saw an interview after he didnt suit up and he was in a pretty good mood.  He said people are underrating their backfield as a whole.  They say Dillon has lost extra flab and looks more explosive than he ever has.   They do like the rookie as well as a change of pace to the 2 big backs.  Im sure if Jacobs is cooking he will see a few big carry games.  But Lafleur ultimately likes to give the lead back no more than 13-15 carries if things are going to plan.