RLLD 4,143 Posted July 16, 2024 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: So kidnapping is ok, got it Red Herring is your first move. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,937 Posted July 16, 2024 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: So kidnapping is ok, got it Give him 3 or 4 years for something else to happen. Then he might reconsider his thoughts. That's what adults do- you liberals don't understand. That is the gist of what he'll say- just add like 200% more pretentiousness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,143 Posted July 16, 2024 Just now, Sean Mooney said: Give him 3 or 4 years for something else to happen. Then he might reconsider his thoughts. That's what adults do- you liberals don't understand. That is the gist of what he'll say- just add like 200% more pretentiousness. You make my point for me Learning and growing is anathema for liberals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,937 Posted July 16, 2024 1 minute ago, RLLD said: No, adults consider the world and adjust their position accordingly. That you find this "progress" instead of simply "gown up" highlights what I see from liberals all the time, anything that challenges what they believe is labelled "evil" or "conspiracy". Hell, they cant even take the fact that their actions likely led to this, and have been on the air these last days spinning hard as hell to point it back to Trump! MSNBC was so worried that their propogandists could not handle it, they shut down Morning Joe..... Keep adding words to what I said. If you need to do that to enhance your position you're in the weeds already. Trumps rhetoric on January 6th was bad and helped lead to what happened. The rhetoric on Trump was bad and helped lead to what happened. Both democrats and republicans have operated in extremes in politics for as long as I've been alive and social media has ratcheted up that rhetoric because people post things out of context which further ignites flames. I'd venture the 20 year old republican was so far gone because all he has really known is that rhetoric. Also- an adult would see how both sides are involved in this and not point fingers one way. Maybe you are "gown up" enough. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,619 Posted July 16, 2024 4 hours ago, nobody said: Says the guy who wants to base motives off what the kid registered probably when he graduated high school and possibly a yard sign while ignoring that he tried to kill the guy. Are you talking to me? I literally just said the yard sign most likely wasn’t his, liar. But “when he graduated high school” wasn’t very long ago. If he really was a Republican (still unconfirmed), then I think it’s fair to say “rhetoric” isn’t really to blame. If he was that susceptible to the “rhetoric from the media!!” then he wouldn’t still be a Republican. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,937 Posted July 16, 2024 3 minutes ago, RLLD said: You make my point for me Learning and growing is anathema for liberals. You'd have to wait 4 years to know for sure though right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,129 Posted July 16, 2024 1 hour ago, RLLD said: Oh no, you see the liberal wet dream came true today.....so now, since we have an example, we have to assume rhetoric is a factor, right? Or.....is it only "true" if you can point to something...elsewhere? Yes, now that someone shot at Trump you can do a 180 and tell us that rhetoric matters. Mean tweets! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,143 Posted July 16, 2024 Just now, Sean Mooney said: Keep adding words to what I said. If you need to do that to enhance your position you're in the weeds already. Trumps rhetoric on January 6th was bad and helped lead to what happened. The rhetoric on Trump was bad and helped lead to what happened. Both democrats and republicans have operated in extremes in politics for as long as I've been alive and social media has ratcheted up that rhetoric because people post things out of context which further ignites flames. I'd venture the 20 year old republican was so far gone because all he has really known is that rhetoric. Also- an adult would see how both sides are involved in this and not point fingers one way. Maybe you are "gown up" enough. I expand my statements since you seem to be missing the point, its a natural reaction to what appears to be a lack of comprehension on your part. I think there is merit to your position on rhetoric and January 6th, I am amending my position based on what I have observed here; liberals weaponizing rhetoric(which they pretending to abhor regarding Jan 6th) which resulting in violence. I am conceding this point. Liberals have shown us what they said they feared. I am hopeful that both sides of the isle now take a step back, calm down a bit, stop attacking each other personally and get back to policy debate. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,143 Posted July 16, 2024 3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: You'd have to wait 4 years to know for sure though right? You never stop learning, as self-learners, we must first admit to our ignorance and realize that there is a world of knowledge ready to be accessed, but only once we can accept that we don't already know everything. A big reason why liberals struggle so mightily is their refusal to accept that they can be wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,143 Posted July 16, 2024 4 minutes ago, MDC said: Yes, now that someone shot at Trump you can do a 180 and tell us that rhetoric matters. Mean tweets! I wonder, do you understand how immature you come across? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,937 Posted July 16, 2024 4 minutes ago, RLLD said: I expand my statements since you seem to be missing the point, its a natural reaction to what appears to be a lack of comprehension on your part. I think there is merit to your position on rhetoric and January 6th, I am amending my position based on what I have observed here; liberals weaponizing rhetoric(which they pretending to abhor regarding Jan 6th) which resulting in violence. I am conceding this point. Liberals have shown us what they said they feared. I am hopeful that both sides of the isle now take a step back, calm down a bit, stop attacking each other personally and get back to policy debate. 2 minutes ago, RLLD said: You never stop learning, as self-learners, we must first admit to our ignorance and realize that there is a world of knowledge ready to be accessed, but only once we can accept that we don't already know everything. A big reason why liberals struggle so mightily is their refusal to accept that they can be wrong. You still seem to think it is only one side involved in this....what needs to happen in 3 or 4 years to make you change that position? See- you are missing the point which is just sheer ignorance and/or arrogance on your part (typical really)...an adult could have looked at January 6th in that moment and said "C'mon man- you can't say that stuff. That leads to why this happened." They don't say "Liberals are making this up." (flash forward to something 4 years later) "Oh man...now something happened to the person I support wholeheartedly so hey words are bad and got us here. Stupid liberals." If something is bad, it's bad. Maybe when you are more "gown up" you'll understand that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,619 Posted July 16, 2024 7 minutes ago, RLLD said: I am hopeful that both sides of the isle now take a step back, calm down a bit, stop attacking each other personally and get back to policy debate. I don’t usually watch the news at all. Traveling for work so figured I’d see what Fox News had to say about the assassination attempt. 90% of it is people saying how everyone on the left and especially Biden (“he defended his bullseye comment by saying ‘I didn’t say crosshairs!) are horrible awful people. The dude that just finished literally said, and I quote “Trump saved the justice system by defeating these bastards.” Not much talk about the actual shooter. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BirdGang 385 Posted July 16, 2024 4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: You still seem to think it is only one side involved in this....what needs to happen in 3 or 4 years to make you change that position? See- you are missing the point which is just sheer ignorance and/or arrogance on your part (typical really)...an adult could have looked at January 6th in that moment and said "C'mon man- you can't say that stuff. That leads to why this happened." They don't say "Liberals are making this up." (flash forward to something 4 years later) "Oh man...now something happened to the person I support wholeheartedly so hey words are bad and got us here. Stupid liberals." If something is bad, it's bad. Maybe when you are more "gown up" you'll understand that. There’s the Jan 6th, DRINK! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,143 Posted July 16, 2024 2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: You still seem to think it is only one side involved in this....what needs to happen in 3 or 4 years to make you change that position? See- you are missing the point which is just sheer ignorance and/or arrogance on your part (typical really)...an adult could have looked at January 6th in that moment and said "C'mon man- you can't say that stuff. That leads to why this happened." They don't say "Liberals are making this up." (flash forward to something 4 years later) "Oh man...now something happened to the person I support wholeheartedly so hey words are bad and got us here. Stupid liberals." If something is bad, it's bad. Maybe when you are more "gown up" you'll understand that. Except that I do not think its only one side, noting this element on more than one occasion. It would seem that not excluding those you might support from the equation is not to your liking. Your stance, your logic, from January 6th that "an adult could have looked at January 6th in that moment and said "C'mon man" can be extended to the situation regarding Biden selling us out for money that funneled to his family through the LLC's. I am not sure you want to invest in that philosophy in that manner. Perhaps reconsider that stance, or soften it. I might note that if liberals actually believe that words are violence and rhetoric could lead to violence.....all along....they would have never engaged in it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,937 Posted July 16, 2024 3 minutes ago, TimHauck said: I don’t usually watch the news at all. Traveling for work so figured I’d see what Fox News had to say about the assassination attempt. 90% of it is people saying how everyone on the left and especially Biden (“he defended his bullseye comment by saying ‘I didn’t say crosshairs!) are horrible awful people. The dude that just finished literally said, and I quote “Trump saved the justice system by defeating these bastards.” Not much talk about the actual shooter. Because there is a chance the shooter was Republican. Why would they want to address that when they can use it to mobilize their side. It works because people like RLLD buy it hook, line, and sinker despite believing they are of superior intelligence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,143 Posted July 16, 2024 4 minutes ago, TimHauck said: I don’t usually watch the news at all. Traveling for work so figured I’d see what Fox News had to say about the assassination attempt. 90% of it is people saying how everyone on the left and especially Biden (“he defended his bullseye comment by saying ‘I didn’t say crosshairs!) are horrible awful people. The dude that just finished literally said, and I quote “Trump saved the justice system by defeating these bastards.” Not much talk about the actual shooter. I might suggest that there is likely far worse being said and thought out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,937 Posted July 16, 2024 2 minutes ago, RLLD said: Except that I do not think its only one side, noting this element on more than one occasion. It would seem that not excluding those you might support from the equation is not to your liking. Your stance, your logic, from January 6th that "an adult could have looked at January 6th in that moment and said "C'mon man" can be extended to the situation regarding Biden selling us out for money that funneled to his family through the LLC's. I am not sure you want to invest in that philosophy in that manner. Perhaps reconsider that stance, or soften it. I might note that if liberals actually believe that words are violence and rhetoric could lead to violence.....all along....they would have never engaged in it. Now here comes the tactic of adding things to the discussion that were not a part of it. I recommend you reconsider the path you are taking and/or maybe take a step back and really think about what you are saying Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,619 Posted July 16, 2024 1 minute ago, RLLD said: I might suggest that there is likely far worse being said and thought out there. Didn’t you just say the sides should stop attacking each other? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,937 Posted July 16, 2024 Just now, TimHauck said: Didn’t you just say the sides should stop attacking each other? Give him 3 years to think about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,143 Posted July 16, 2024 2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: Now here comes the tactic of adding things to the discussion that were not a part of it. I recommend you reconsider the path you are taking and/or maybe take a step back and really think about what you are saying Not a tactic, but I think your move to dilute one side here might be misplaced, so reminding you that those who were so adamant Jan 6th was inspired by rhetoric, sure had no issue using it....almost as if they did not believe their admonishment of it was true....like me....and when it arose that it was true, they reacted in a way which suggests that they too now understand it better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrahmaBulls 628 Posted July 16, 2024 2 hours ago, GutterBoy said: Maybe try pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and make a success out of your life. Thanks for confirming the dumb and jerk thing. Well done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,143 Posted July 16, 2024 2 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Didn’t you just say the sides should stop attacking each other? Yep, your point? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,937 Posted July 16, 2024 1 minute ago, RLLD said: Not a tactic, but I think your move to dilute one side here might be misplaced, so reminding you that those who were so adamant Jan 6th was inspired by rhetoric, sure had no issue using it....almost as if they did not believe their admonishment of it was true....like me....and when it arose that it was true, they reacted in a way which suggests that they too now understand it better. I am not diluting one side. I'm saying both sides have done this and both should account for it. You still want to point to one side and say "It's them, not us." But again- maybe after 3 or 4 years you will change your mind and try to high ground someone else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GutterBoy 2,898 Posted July 16, 2024 49 minutes ago, RLLD said: I have no problem with Trump liking a post about Biden tied up on a tailgate. Posting an image of biden tied up is fine, but saying Trump is a threat to democracy is over the top. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,143 Posted July 16, 2024 Just now, Sean Mooney said: I am not diluting one side. I'm saying both sides have done this and both should account for it. You still want to point to one side and say "It's them, not us." But again- maybe after 3 or 4 years you will change your mind and try to high ground someone else. Oh you are, that was not coming across well; fantastic. Instead of misrepresenting what I said, you should consider depicting me accurately, I mean, people can read and clearly see what you are suggesting about me is not true. And later, if I change my mind on something else, that is being an adult. Maybe you were taught to never admit when you are wrong, but that is what adults do. Now would be the time to point to the deficiencies of your ideological masters who implemented the thing they said was so dangeroud. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,143 Posted July 16, 2024 1 minute ago, GutterBoy said: Posting an image of biden tied up is fine, but saying Trump is a threat to democracy is over the top. And? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GutterBoy 2,898 Posted July 16, 2024 1 minute ago, RLLD said: And? You're a fool. HTH. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,143 Posted July 16, 2024 2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said: You're a fool. HTH. That's it? You skipped recess to deliver that zinger? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,578 Posted July 16, 2024 My SIL was over for dinner last night. Absolute Drumpf hater, hates his guts. Asked me to put him walking out to the RNC on tv last night. She sat in aw and watched, commented on how good he looked and how stoic. This "attempted assassination" is going to lock it up for Trump. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,129 Posted July 16, 2024 35 minutes ago, RLLD said: I wonder, do you understand how immature you come across? Do you know what a waffling hypocrite you are? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,578 Posted July 16, 2024 1 minute ago, MDC said: Do you know what a waffling hypocrite you are? I could go for a nice caramel waffle 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,143 Posted July 16, 2024 2 minutes ago, MDC said: Do you know what a waffling hypocrite you are? Irony. You are the example of hypocrisy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,619 Posted July 16, 2024 30 minutes ago, RLLD said: Yep, your point? Well Fox News is still attacking. Just turned on CNN. They are at the RNC interviewing some Republicans. One guy simply talking about Republicans trying to pick up more minority votes, guy now talking about the bill to increase secret service protection for the candidates and the mistakes that were made at the rally. Now they are talking about Vance, haven’t heard anyone complain about him calling Trump Hitler. Now MSNBC. They did bring up the Hitler comments (but of course so did Fox News and I Iike his answer which MSNBC showed). Also commenting that Vance isn’t “diverse” enough. Now talking about the mistakes made at the rally especially from secret service. Mention the secret service director has spoken and said that building was assigned to local police who were apparently inside of it. Host talking about how tragic the incident was and mentioning the victim that died. My main takeaway is I can’t believe people still watch cable TV. Way too many commercials. But overall, small sample size but the people (including the Republicans being interviewed) on CNN/MSNBC seem much more calm than Fox News, where most of the people including those being interviewed seem angry. I get it, someone (possibly one of their own) tried to kill their candidate, but don’t say the media should stop the attacks if you’re not actually going to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,129 Posted July 16, 2024 7 minutes ago, RLLD said: Irony. You are the example of hypocrisy. Do you have a problem with mean tweets now? Because werdz didn’t matter before. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,143 Posted July 16, 2024 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: Well Fox News is still attacking. Just turned on CNN. They are at the RNC interviewing some Republicans. One guy simply talking about Republicans trying to pick up more minority votes, guy now talking about the bill to increase secret service protection for the candidates and the mistakes that were made at the rally. Now they are talking about Vance, haven’t heard anyone complain about him calling Trump Hitler. Now MSNBC. They did bring up the Hitler comments (but of course so did Fox News and I Iike his answer). Also commenting that Vance isn’t “diverse” enough. Now talking about the mistakes made at the rally. Mention the secret service director has spoken and said that building was assigned to local police who were apparently inside of it. Host talking about how tragic the incident was and mentioning the victim that died. My main takeaway is I can’t believe people still watch cable TV. Way too many commercials. But overall, small sample size but the people (including the Republicans being interviewed) on CNN/MSNBC seem much more calm than Fox News, where most of the people including those being interviewed seem angry. I get it, someone (possibly one of their own) tried to kill their candidate, but don’t say the media should stop the attacks if you’re not actually going to. I think we should be thankful. The examples we have with the BLM riots and threats toward SCOTUS etc.... and yet we see nothing burning, no riots, no marching...none of the things we might expect. I see this as a good. Moreover, I give credit to the liberal media that has performed so viciously toward Trump.....they have done a very good job policing themselves, even shutting down their morning joe folks.... I hope the media too learns from this, I hope what we are observing is their own self-awakening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tree of Knowledge 1,701 Posted July 16, 2024 By the time the Biden DOJLOL concludes their investigation we will find out the shooter was upset over an elimination on The Apprentice years ago that scarred him for life and there was no other motive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,143 Posted July 16, 2024 3 minutes ago, MDC said: Do you have a problem with mean tweets now? Because werdz didn’t matter before. I don't, but then again I don't frequent twitter. In what little of have seen of the platform is roughly the lunch table full of mean girls in middle school.....I did not derive any value from it, so I don't participate. If it is your intention to suggest that mean tweets are something we need to end, well, that would seem to be the end of the platform. Or....are you suggesting that all violence comes from twitter? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GutterBoy 2,898 Posted July 16, 2024 8 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Well Fox News is still attacking. Just turned on CNN. They are at the RNC interviewing some Republicans. One guy simply talking about Republicans trying to pick up more minority votes, guy now talking about the bill to increase secret service protection for the candidates and the mistakes that were made at the rally. Now they are talking about Vance, haven’t heard anyone complain about him calling Trump Hitler. Now MSNBC. They did bring up the Hitler comments (but of course so did Fox News and I Iike his answer which MSNBC showed). Also commenting that Vance isn’t “diverse” enough. Now talking about the mistakes made at the rally especially from secret service. Mention the secret service director has spoken and said that building was assigned to local police who were apparently inside of it. Host talking about how tragic the incident was and mentioning the victim that died. My main takeaway is I can’t believe people still watch cable TV. Way too many commercials. But overall, small sample size but the people (including the Republicans being interviewed) on CNN/MSNBC seem much more calm than Fox News, where most of the people including those being interviewed seem angry. I get it, someone (possibly one of their own) tried to kill their candidate, but don’t say the media should stop the attacks if you’re not actually going to. Morning Joe led with the failures of the secret service during the rally, both prior to the shooting and after the shooting allowing him to stand up, fist pump and walk out. Fox News was focused on Biden talking about a bullseye on Trump and how the rhetoric has to stop. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,129 Posted July 16, 2024 7 minutes ago, RLLD said: I don't, but then again I don't frequent twitter. In what little of have seen of the platform is roughly the lunch table full of mean girls in middle school.....I did not derive any value from it, so I don't participate. If it is your intention to suggest that mean tweets are something we need to end, well, that would seem to be the end of the platform. Or....are you suggesting that all violence comes from twitter? No, I’m suggesting that people who support a disgusting vulgarian like Trump can stop the crocodile tears and blame game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,143 Posted July 16, 2024 Just now, MDC said: No, I’m suggesting that people who support a disgusting vulgarian like Trump can stop the crocodile tears and blame game. Oh, gotcha, well since his counterpart shared in the behavior and someone tried to assassinate Trump.....you apparently hate everyone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites