RB Rankings

[wolves111 104]

 Taylor, Barkley, Gibbs, Henry, and K. Williams. The adp's are fairly consistent among FF sites. I'm struggling with Williams and Henry going later. Taylor and Barkley will compete with running QB's, and Gibbs is in a RBBC. I'm picking 10th and at the turn I'm targeting possibly two of these five.

Who you picking?

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

1 hour ago, wolves111 said:

 Taylor, Barkley, Gibbs, Henry, and K. Williams. The adp's are fairly consistent among FF sites. I'm struggling with Williams and Henry going later. Taylor and Barkley will compete with running QB's, and Gibbs is in a RBBC. I'm picking 10th and at the turn I'm targeting possibly two of these five.

Who you picking?

Two thoughts came to mind immediately, go zero RB and load up on WR or hopefully land Gibbs or Taylor at 10 with a WR on the backside. 

That would actually be the ideal situation. I love drafting at the turn. 

 

[GobbleDog 978]

1 hour ago, wolves111 said:

Who you picking?

Wr-Wr

But for the sake of this thread... I'd draft Taylor and Williams from that list. Ya know my feelings about Barkley and Gibbs. My issue with Henry is the age/millage and lack of receptions. He'll have some spike games with 2+ Tds... along with several weeks of 40 yds and a cloud of dust. And there's always the decline/injury risk of an old over-worked Rb.

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

8 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Taylor and Williams

Kyren at 2.01? That's pretty bullish IMO. 

[wolves111 104]

1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Kyren at 2.01? That's pretty bullish IMO. 

Yeah, I initially thought that as well but his pts per game was higher than the rest of them last season. Doesn't mean he can repeat it but he's in a good offense so he just might. As for the rookie behind him? Be a good handcuff.

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

2 minutes ago, wolves111 said:

Yeah, I initially thought that as well but his pts per game was higher than the rest of them last season. Doesn't mean he can repeat it but he's in a good offense so he just might. As for the rookie behind him? Be a good handcuff.

I do agree with his point of WR/WR, that's probably the safest bet but if you do that then you're basically punting the position all together. 

[wolves111 104]

22 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I do agree with his point of WR/WR, that's probably the safest bet but if you do that then you're basically punting the position all together. 

Yeah, I won't do that. At minimum I take one RB.

Another interesting comparison is Puka, Wilson and Brown. Leaning towards Puka even with Kupp looming. Wilson would seem to have less competition but it's the JETS!

[GobbleDog 978]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Kyren at 2.01? That's pretty bullish IMO. 

That was if I was insane enough to draft 2 Rbs at the turn... despite being a 10 teamer ppr league. I think it's bananas, but to each their own. You have to get incredibly lucky just to pick 1 Rb correctly, let alone 2.

[jrokh 608]

You already asked this question, but I'll answer it the same way, Gibbs all day, every day...

[Ray_T 739]

1 hour ago, GobbleDog said:

That was if I was insane enough to draft 2 Rbs at the turn... despite being a 10 teamer ppr league. I think it's bananas, but to each their own. You have to get incredibly lucky just to pick 1 Rb correctly, let alone 2.

There is always an exception to every rule.

I drafted RB-RB on the turn in the July Mock, but all the WR I felt were worthy of a first round pick were gone.     sometimes when the draft turns in a way you dont expect you are forced to make hard decisions.   In my case I had to reach for a WR I felt wasnt worthy of a first round pick or draft 2 RB's who I felt were.

granted its a 12 teamer and not a 10 teamer so that makes a difference.   But you need to be willing to pivot based on what the draft is giving you and I dont like joining in on the end of a run at any position.

if  7 or 8 RB were taken in round 1 like in last year's Mock and I came up at the turn I might have taken one, possibly two WR.   but the draft didnt fall that way.   Its a classic case of having to go to plan B.

[weepaws 3,152]

Is this a ten team ppr? 

[Ray_T 739]

44 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Is this a ten team ppr? 

12 team.  

there is a link to the mock draft page on the main fftoday page.   check out the picks.

I have yet to draft a QB so you'd at least approve of that part.

[weepaws 3,152]

33 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

12 team.  

there is a link to the mock draft page on the main fftoday page.   check out the picks.

I have yet to draft a QB so you'd at least approve of that part.

I was asking the OP. 

[Ray_T 739]

17 minutes ago, weepaws said:

I was asking the OP. 

10 team.  see the original post.  he said he was drafting 10th at the turn.

[GobbleDog 978]

54 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

there is a link to the mock draft page on the main fftoday page.   check out the picks.

Awesome. Let's all congratulate / mock Ray_T on his picks:

1) T. Henry

2) S. Barkley

..............................  Mother of pearl, this hurts my soul. I'll give ya Nacua is the last-of-the-last appealing Wrs, but I still would've taken him and D. London next (I'm Wr-Wr til death do us part) but whatever. Barkley!?! Ya know my thoughts. I think Taylor is way more appealing than both of those Rbs. 

3) G. Pickens

4) J. Waddle

.........................  Love Waddle. Definitely would've taken DK Metcalf over Pickens, and it's not even close.

5) G. Kittle

6) D. Swift

.......................... Kittle is fantastic. Swift... ugh. Would've reached for Z. Moss instead.

Give 'em hell Ray!

[Ray_T 739]

5 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Awesome. Let's all congratulate / mock Ray_T on his picks:

1) T. Henry

2) S. Barkley

..............................  Mother of pearl, this hurts my soul. I'll give ya Nacua is the last-of-the-last appealing Wrs, but I still would've taken him and D. London next (I'm Wr-Wr til death do us part) but whatever. Barkley!?! Ya know my thoughts. I think Taylor is way more appealing than both of those Rbs. 

3) G. Pickens

4) J. Waddle

.........................  Love Waddle. Definitely would've taken DK Metcalf over Pickens, and it's not even close.

5) G. Kittle

6) D. Swift

.......................... Kittle is fantastic. Swift... ugh. Would've reached for Z. Moss instead.

Give 'em hell Ray!

drafting on the end is tough.   you pick and then its 22 picks until you pick again.   tough to plan a draft that way.

I like DK but not really sold on the QB situation in Seattle.  Pickens got over 1000 yards last year with a QB who is no longer a starter in this league.   so the arrival of Russell wilson should be an upgrade there.   So bottom line, I liked his upside more.    

and I know your thoughts on Barkley,  it actually wasnt my plan to take 2 RB at that point, but I do think Barkley is well suited to the Eagles offense.   running behind a far better line, and a far better offense and better team overall.   he will get a lot of late game carries during garbage time and even if hes not as good as I'd hoped, he will get the yardage on volume.

pick 5 and 6 I actually wanted to take McBride and Zamir White but both were taken just before I was on the clock.   I hate getting sniped like that but it happens.

That said  no complaints about Kittle.   for me both TE's were close in terms of what they are likely to deliver and both have risks associated with injury.   for Kittle the risk of injury is to him.  for Mcbride the risk is in his QB.     but take a look at McBrides stats after week 8 when Kyler Murray came back from injury.   Pretty sick.   I know the sample size is small, but over a full year, that projects to well over 1000 yards.   Granted when a player breaks out quite often once teams learn hes dangerous they will do things to hinder him.   but hes a good guy to consider in lieu of the top tier guys and provides the same upside with a bit more risk.

 

[GobbleDog 978]

6 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

for Kittle the risk of injury is to him.  for Mcbride the risk is in his QB.   

Didn't even realize McBride was available... still think you made the right pick. Not a McBride fan either, but surprising he fell that far.

[Ray_T 739]

2 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Didn't even realize McBride was still available... still think you made the right pick. Not a McBride fan either, but surprising he fell that far.

mcBride and Zamir White went the 2 picks before I was up.   so its not like those guys were an option for me when I was picking.

[GobbleDog 978]

39 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

I like DK but not really sold on the QB situation in Seattle.  Pickens got over 1000 yards last year with a QB who is no longer a starter in this league.   so the arrival of Russell wilson should be an upgrade there.   So bottom line, I liked his upside more. 

I'm not so much down on Pickens, but moreso I'm so bullish on DK. Pickens had shockingly great stats last year especially considering the Qb situation. Problem is I'm not sure that Qb play improves much and even if it does... Arthur Smith = receiving fantasy death. Still, I can't totally forget how amazingly good Pickens was with bad Qb play. So I won't be shocked if I'm wrong on him.

On the flip side, DK has a new up-tempo pass-friendly o-coordinator in town. I fully expect his stats to massively increase. Geno Smith isn't the greatest, but proved in '22 he can get the job done.

We shall see.

[Ray_T 739]

21 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

I'm not so much down on Pickens, but moreso I'm so bullish on DK. Pickens had shockingly great stats last year especially considering the Qb situation. Problem is I'm not sure that Qb play improves much and even if it does... Arthur Smith = receiving fantasy death. Still, I can't totally forget how amazingly good Pickens was with bad Qb play. So I won't be shocked if I'm wrong on him.

On the flip side, DK has a new up-tempo pass-friendly o-coordinator in town. I fully expect his stats to massively increase. Geno Smith isn't the greatest, but proved in '22 he can get the job done.

We shall see.

agreed.

the draft hasnt played out exactly the way I'd like but so far it has been fun.   its nice to test yourself against a high level of competition.

[weepaws 3,152]

4 hours ago, Ray_T said:

10 team.  see the original post.  he said he was drafting 10th at the turn.

I know it’s a ten team league, was asking the OP is the ten team league a ppr.  

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

16 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

I'm not so much down on Pickens, but moreso I'm so bullish on DK. Pickens had shockingly great stats last year especially considering the Qb situation. Problem is I'm not sure that Qb play improves much and even if it does... Arthur Smith = receiving fantasy death. Still, I can't totally forget how amazingly good Pickens was with bad Qb play. So I won't be shocked if I'm wrong on him.

In 2019 and 2020 AJ Brown put up the following stats:

52 / 1051 / 8 TD on 84 targets (rookie year)

70 / 1075 / 11 on 106 targets

Arthur Smith was his OC those 2 years.  I think Pickens will be just fine.  

 

16 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

On the flip side, DK has a new up-tempo pass-friendly o-coordinator in town. I fully expect his stats to massively increase. Geno Smith isn't the greatest, but proved in '22 he can get the job done.

We shall see.

I like DK as my WR1 I can get in the 3rd round.... I love DK as my WR2 I can get in the 3rd round to pair with a Chase/Amon Ra/AJB type.  Their new OC Grubb is big upgrade over Waldron.  Geno's career bounced back with Canales' west coast system in 2022....then we saw how 2023 worked out without Canales.  Sam Howell fits the new Offense better than Geno....

 

[GobbleDog 978]

45 minutes ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

Arthur Smith was his OC those 2 years.  I think Pickens will be just fine.

True. Brown did well those two years. Could be argued Tannehill was Qb those years and posted passer ratings of  117.5 & 106.5. Wilson hasn't posted a 106 passer rating since 2019 and barely broke 3,000 passing yards last year. It's also tough to dismiss how badly London and Pitts performed for two years with Smith. Given all that... Pickens makes me nervous.

As for Sam Howell... I've heard "experts" say don't write off his career just yet - after getting murdered behind the Redskins joke of an o-line with all his coaches waiting to get fired. So maybe he does compete with Smith for the starting job or take over eventually if Smith struggles.

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

Desmond Ridder and Taylor Heinicke weren't exactly lighting the world on fire either.... 

Pickens is going about 1.5 rounds after DK in the range of Tee, Cooper, Keenan slot.... I like Pickens upside over those guys but definitely NOT over DK.  

I have Pickens on my dynasty squad as my WR3 and/or FLX weekly starter and feel just fine about it.  I would be nervous is Pickens was my WR2 in redraft no doubt.  The Steelers keep getting tossed into the Aiyuk trade rumor spots and if that were to happen I would be more nervous.  

[weepaws 3,152]

Pickens 3 less rec last season than Metcalf,  but more yards, biggest difference Metcalf had 8 tds to Pickens 5.  I’m liking Pickings more than Metcalf right now, unless things change with the Steelers wr.  

Last season Smith wasn’t that good, but the Steelers didn’t have a Qb.  I like Pickens ADP a lot in redraft.  

[GobbleDog 978]

On 7/25/2024 at 4:23 PM, weepaws said:

Pickens 3 less rec last season than Metcalf,  but more yards, biggest difference Metcalf had 8 tds to Pickens 5.

Seattle finished second last among NFL teams with the fewest offensive snaps played last year. Pete Carrol's play-book was kill the clock, keep score close, win on a field goal.  Zzzzzzzzzz

Say hello to Ryan Grubb... gonna be lots of shifts / pre-snap motions and spread air raid.  Metcalf will be the beneficiary and so will I if I'm lucky enough to draft him.

[wolves111 104]

On 7/24/2024 at 2:00 PM, jrokh said:

You already asked this question, but I'll answer it the same way, Gibbs all day, every day...

I thought you would be less of a this year but I guess I was wrong.

[JagFan 149]

On 7/24/2024 at 10:55 AM, wolves111 said:

Yeah, I initially thought that as well but his pts per game was higher than the rest of them last season. Doesn't mean he can repeat it but he's in a good offense so he just might. As for the rookie behind him? Be a good handcuff.

I actually like Kyren for this very reason.  I just don’t see the coaches splitting this backfield the way some are expecting.  The goal is to win games, and this guy is a proven weapon.

[Ray_T 739]

4 hours ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

Their new OC Grubb is big upgrade over Waldron.  Geno's career bounced back with Canales' west coast system in 2022....then we saw how 2023 worked out without Canales.  Sam Howell fits the new Offense better than Geno....

 

while I'm not a big fan of Geno, however  stylistically Howell may fit the new system better, but he throws way to many INT for any system.

that said,  in the old days if a QB threw for almost 4000 yards with high int they would get another year to see if they could match or exceed that while lowering the INT.   But they bailed on him quick.

I dont love Howell.   but right now Geno would be who I start because with him you dont get the picks.

but I respect Howell has the better upside if he can clean up those interceptions(or at least get them less than 10 per year).   It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

17 hours ago, weepaws said:

Pickens 3 less rec last season than Metcalf,  but more yards, biggest difference Metcalf had 8 tds to Pickens 5.  I’m liking Pickings more than Metcalf right now, unless things change with the Steelers wr.  

Last season Smith wasn’t that good, but the Steelers didn’t have a Qb.  I like Pickens ADP a lot in redraft.  

I see Pickens' TD total closer to the 8-10 range for this season.   His ADP is pretty volatile from what I've recently looked at.  ESPN is closer to a 5th rd pick than a 3rd.  In a setup like that then you should have no issue getting DK and George.  

Pickens is getting more love than DK due to his "new situation" when DK has just as good, perhaps better, "new situation".  I like both to have their best pro seasons to date (DK equal to), question is where can you draft each for best value.  3rd rd between the two and I'm taking DK first.  A RB/RB start that follows up with a DK/Pickens in 3/4 could be pretty solid....or something like a ASB/Etienne/DK/Pickens WR heavy start for those 3 WR starting lineups looks nice too.  

[GobbleDog 978]

FFToday Mike's projection:

Pickens 79 rec, 1,085 yds, 7 Tds

Metcalf 79 rec, 1,085 yds, 7 Tds

 

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

no offense but isn't this just the same as the thread you started on Gibbs vs Barkley, just worded slightly different? I assume this is for the same 10 team league where you are picking 10th.

 

[wolves111 104]

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

no offense but isn't this just the same as the thread you started on Gibbs vs Barkley, just worded slightly different? I assume this is for the same 10 team league where you are picking 10th.

 

Expanded it to include Henry, Gibbs, and Williams. 

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

11 minutes ago, wolves111 said:

Expanded it to include Henry, Gibbs, and Williams. 

I don't mean to sound like the turd jcrock but I tend to agree. i'd rather see one thread when it's really more of a "who should I draft" in the form of discussion about the players. Just add to it with the new players you want to consider. 

I'm not even someone who would say "take it to the little help board" but there definitely was a time when this board was seemingly flooded with thinly veiled who should i draft or who should I start type topics. 

[GobbleDog 978]

14 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

i'd rather see one thread when it's really more of a "who should I draft" in the form of discussion about the players. Just add to it with the new players you want to consider.

If the board was flooded with repeat questions... ok. But it's July and the board is slow, so whatever. Fun to discuss anything fantasy related. And to answer the question again: Wr-Wr.  C'mon Wolves, try a few ESPN and Yahoo mocks with that strategy. You'll be shocked with how many reliable Rbs you can get in the mid-rounds. Especially a 10-teamer. Why gamble with your most valuable draft capital?

My big money league is 12 teams and I don't care what position I get... 90% chance I don't draft a Rb til Round 5. If it were a 10-teamer, it'd be a 100%.

[wolves111 104]

24 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

If the board was flooded with repeat questions... ok. But it's July and the board is slow, so whatever. Fun to discuss anything fantasy related. And to answer the question again: Wr-Wr.  C'mon Wolves, try a few ESPN and Yahoo mocks with that strategy. You'll be shocked with how many reliable Rbs you can get in the mid-rounds. Especially a 10-teamer. Why gamble with your most valuable draft capital?

My big money league is 12 teams and I don't care what position I get... 90% chance I don't draft a Rb til Round 5. If it were a 10-teamer, it'd be a 100%.

Well, last year there were six rb's with 211 pts or more. Just two WR's so there's that. After 30 years of doing this, it's ingrained in my thick head!

[GobbleDog 978]

41 minutes ago, wolves111 said:

Well, last year there were six rb's with 211 pts or more. Just two WR's so there's that.

In ppr?  I count 13 and that's only wks 1-17.  Whatever... let's look at those top six Rbs from last year and pre-draft adp:

1) McCaff - 1st rd, Rb 2               4) Hall - 4th rd Rb 16

2) Etienne - 3rd rd, Rb 10             5) Williams - 15th rd, Rb 55

3) Mostert - 10th rd, Rb 37           6) R. White - 4th rd, Rb 17

No way I'm gambling 1st and 2nd round picks on that position. Wr's finish much closer to their actual adp.

Edit - those rounds are based on 12-teamers.... Hall and White had adp's of 5th rd in 10-team.

[weepaws 3,152]

In both my leagues we play both, a hth, and total points, keeps more owners involved late into the season. Based on that. 

Wr over two points.  

4 in non ppr/ 14 in half ppr, with two going over 300 points. 

32 in full ppr/ with two over 300 points, and one over 400 points. 

Ten team league, rd one take a Def, And Rd two go Kicker, and you can still have enough Rbs/WRs to build on a winner.  Thanks 

[weepaws 3,152]

7 hours ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

I see Pickens' TD total closer to the 8-10 range for this season.   His ADP is pretty volatile from what I've recently looked at.  ESPN is closer to a 5th rd pick than a 3rd.  In a setup like that then you should have no issue getting DK and George.  

Pickens is getting more love than DK due to his "new situation" when DK has just as good, perhaps better, "new situation".  I like both to have their best pro seasons to date (DK equal to), question is where can you draft each for best value.  3rd rd between the two and I'm taking DK first.  A RB/RB start that follows up with a DK/Pickens in 3/4 could be pretty solid....or something like a ASB/Etienne/DK/Pickens WR heavy start for those 3 WR starting lineups looks nice too.  

 

7 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

FFToday Mike's projection:

Pickens 79 rec, 1,085 yds, 7 Tds

Metcalf 79 rec, 1,085 yds, 7 Tds

 

Very interesting lol. 

[weepaws 3,152]

After looking up some projections, and please note, I do not use them.  These are based on avg on different site projections 

Metcalf 74 rec/ 1070 yards/ 8 Tds.  Wr 18 , ADP wr 20  

Pickens. 64/936/6 tds.  Wr #33.  Wr 27. 

About one rd early is Metcalf going, I love these preseason discussions.