South Bend Indiana firefighter exam too hard for women and blacks

[Frozenbeernuts 2,114]

Take a look at the exam that's too tough for them. If you don't see the trend where we are being guided down this path of destroying our education and reproduction, then you are in for a rude awakening when it hits you.

https://x.com/cremieuxrecueil/status/1844856866192363630?s=19

[Herbivore 1,115]

how about frozensheepnuts?

[easilyscan 860]

Let's dig in.

Here's the official press release from the US Department of Justice.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-south-bend-indiana-discriminating-against-black-and-female-police

Interesting tidbits from that release. 

The lawsuit alleges that, since at least 2016, South Bend has used a written examination that has disproportionately excluded Black applicants and a physical fitness test that has disproportionately excluded female applicants from consideration for police officer positions. 

The department also seeks relief for Black and female applicants disqualified by the challenged tests, including back pay and, for those who can successfully complete the new lawful selection process, job offers with retroactive seniority.

 

 

Now let's dig in to try and find specific examples of why they claim the physical fitness test has disproportionally excluded female applicants , & the written examination has disproportionately excluded black applicants.

https://www.justice.gov/crt/media/1373236/dl

B. CMPD’s Physical Fitness Test
16: Since at least 2016, Defendant has used a PFT test to screen candidates for SBPD police officer positions. The PFT is a pass/fail component of the selection process. Only individuals who pass the PFT may continue in the selection process. 

17: The PFT requires applicants to perform six activities, including a vertical jump, sit-ups, 300-meter run, push-ups, 1.5-mile run, and a pistol trigger pull. To pass the PFT, candidates must meet specific standards for each of the six PFT components.

18: Since at least 2016, female applicants have passed the PFT at a lower rate than male applicants.

19: From 2016 through August 2019, approximately 87.6 percent of male test-takers passed the PFT, while approximately 45.5 percent of female test-takers passed. During this period, the difference between the pass rates of female and male applicants on the PFT is statistically significant at greater than three units of standard deviation.

20: In or around August 2019, Defendant, while still requiring applicants to perform the same six activities on the PFT, lowered the passing standards. Since that time, female applicants have continued to pass the PFT at a lower rate than male applicants. 

21. Since August 2019, approximately 83.8 percent of male test-takers passed the PFT, while approximately 47.4 percent of female test-takers passed. During this period, the difference between the pass rates of female and male applicants on the PFT is statistically significant at greater than three units of standard deviation.

They go on to say that the PFT isn't job related & that there are alternative selection procedures that it could have used that would have resulted in less adverse impact against female applicants. Have you ever heard of bigger load of BS in your life ?

 

C. SBPD’s Written Test
25. Since at least 2016, Defendant has used a written test developed by Testing for Public Safety, LLC, formerly known as the Institute for Public Safety Personnel, Inc.
26. The written test includes 120-130 multiple choice questions broken down into 7 sections: (1) Learn and Apply Knowledge; (2) Observe and Accurately Describe Events and Objects; (3) Remember Identifying Information; and (4) Remember Shapes and Spatial Relationships; (5) Complete Routine Forms; (6) Grammar; and (7) Spelling.

27. Until 2017, applicants had to score at least 82 percent to pass the written test and advance to the next step in Defendant’s selection process.
28. Since in or around 2017, the test components have remained the same but the minimum passing score was lowered to 80 percent.

Since that didn't provide the results they had hoped for, let's see what they tried next.

29. Since at least 2016, African-American applicants have passed the written test at a lower rate than white applicants. Approximately 84.1 percent of white test-takers passed the written test, while approximately 62.8 percent of African-American test-takers passed.
30. Since at least 2016, the difference between the pass rates of African-American and white applicants on the written test was statistically significant at greater than three units of standard deviation.

 

 

Since lowering the standards didn't provide the results they had hoped for, let's see what they tried next.

31. Since at least 2016, the written test and Defendant’s method of use of the written test has not been job related or consistent with business necessity. 32. Even if Defendant could demonstrate that its use of the written test is job related and consistent with business necessity, there are alternative selection procedures that it could have used that would have resulted in less adverse impact against African-American applicants and still served Defendant’s legitimate needs.

This is what should be referred to as denial. No specific reasons as to why a significantly lower percentage of African-Americans passed the written test relative to white applicants. 

 

What's the solution the geniuses at the USDJ came up with.

A. Refrain from using a written test to screen and select applicants for SBPD police officer positions where such use results in a disparate impact on African Americans, is not job related for the police officer position and consistent with business necessity, and does not otherwise meet the requirements of Section 703(k) of Title VII, 42 U.S.C. § 2000e-2(k);

B. Refrain from using a physical fitness test to screen and select applicants for SBPD police officer positions where such use results in a disparate impact on women, is not job related for the police officer position and consistent with business necessity, and does not otherwise meet the requirements of Section 703(k) of Title VII, 42 U.S.C. § 2000e-2(k);

C. Provide make whole remedial relief to all persons who have been harmed by the discrimination alleged in this Complaint; & D. Adopt other appropriate nondiscriminatory measures to correct the present effects of its discriminatory policies and practices, including the use of police officer selection procedures that comply with Title VII.

Respectfully submitted,
KRISTEN CLARKE Assistant Attorney General Civil Rights Division
KAREN D. WOODARD
Chief
Employment Litigation Section Civil Rights Division
JENNIFER M. SWEDISH Deputy Chief
/s/ Juliet E. Gray
JULIET E. GRAY
NADIA E. SAID
SHAN R. SHAH
Trial Attorneys
U.S. Department of Justice Civil Rights Division

There it is ladies and gentlemen. Madness............or to quote Bill Maher..........the elevation of sensitivity over truth.

[RLLD 4,143]

They did something similar in Maryland. The state troopers had some simple math and physical test for academy admission.

DOJ looked at outcomes and decided that based on those outcomes the test simply must be sexists and racist.

So they lowered the standard.

Later, when the lowered standard results in negative outcomes, they will THEN pretend the cops are bad because the lower quality people they insisted had to be allowed in did something bad…..

When in reality it is the DOJ’s misuse of data that caused it

[Frozenbeernuts 2,114]

All of this crap is coming from the left. It has nothing to do with equality. It has everything to do with destroying the fabric of this country. We should be raising the standards. Challenging ourselves to be better.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,114]

Women can do everything men can do. And we also need to lower the standards to make sure this is the truth.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

This is why sane people hate Liberals.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,114]

Just now, Patented Phil said:

This is why sane people hate Liberals.

They don't see that all of these things keep adding up. Little by little lowering the standards of this country. It's a slippery slope. They can't see how the entire puzzle fits together.

I want to go back to Christian America. I am not a Christian, but I would love for family values to be at the forefront of the discussion. The worst I had to worry about was a Christian trying to sell me on Jesus. If I said no thanks, they would leave it at that. How good we had it.

[BiffTannen 868]

Male > female 

White > black. 
 

get over it 

[squistion 1,949]

5 hours ago, RLLD said:

They did something similar in Maryland. The state troopers had some simple math and physical test for academy admission.

DOJ looked at outcomes and decided that based on those outcomes the test simply must be sexists and racist.

So they lowered the standard.

Later, when the lowered standard results in negative outcomes, they will THEN pretend the cops are bad because the lower quality people they insisted had to be allowed in did something bad…..

When in reality it is the DOJ’s misuse of data that caused it

They could have been right. It is possible the test had some gender or cultural bias built into the questions, which would explain the lower test scores for women and blacks.

[RLLD 4,143]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

They could have been right. It is possible the test had some gender or cultural bias built into the questions, which would explain the lower test scores for women and blacks.

Except it wasn’t racism nor sexism.  Men naturally perform better in rigorous physical activity so women will struggle to meet the needs of the position.

In terms of simple math, well, math is math, it’s never racist. Racism is used to pretend away the culture of failure that pervades the African American community.

[easilyscan 860]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

It is possible the test had some gender or cultural bias built into the questions, which would explain the lower test scores for women and blacks.

That's exactly the reason I researched the original case mentioned by the OP. I found exactly what I suspected I would............NOTHING!

It's all BS. I included links for my research. Go over it yourself. If you can find what I couldn't, I'd love to hear it. 

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

They could have been right. It is possible the test had some gender or cultural bias built into the questions, which would explain the lower test scores for women and blacks.

It’s was elementary math my 5th grader would ace it. God forbid we require police officers know basic arithmetic. Lefties love their racism dog whistles though. 
 

 

[jbycho 590]

16 hours ago, Dizkneelande said:

It’s was elementary math my 5th grader would ace it. God forbid we require police officers know basic arithmetic. Lefties love their racism dog whistles though. 
 

 

In all fairness, all Democrats find these questions to be overly difficult to answer. 

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

1 hour ago, jbycho said:

In all fairness, all Democrats find these questions to be overly difficult to answer. 

Mathematics have been around for thousands of years but it’s now racist because the left have failed intercity black youths. 

[Frozenbeernuts 2,114]

Just now, Dizkneelande said:

Mathematics have been around for thousands of years but it’s now racist because the left have failed intercity black youths. 

Amazing how the solution isn't to make people better at math. Democrats need their voters to feel and act like victims. If they educated them more, well they probably wouldn't have as many voters.

[squistion 1,949]

18 hours ago, RLLD said:

Except it wasn’t racism nor sexism.  Men naturally perform better in rigorous physical activity so women will struggle to meet the needs of the position.

In terms of simple math, well, math is math, it’s never racist. Racism is used to pretend away the culture of failure that pervades the African American community.

Does it take being proficient at math to be a good police officer? It is probably a skill that is not needed that often as a LEO.

[listen2me 23 1,825]

8 minutes ago, squistion said:

Does it take being proficient at math to be a good police officer? It is probably a skill that is not needed that often as a LEO.

Lol