Here come the tariffs

[Horseman 2,683]

5 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

He didn't say grocery, He said lower prices all over, groceries, car insurance, cell phone bill, gas, internet, etc.  Go back and read.  Lower prices ALL OVER, but wouldn't say prices are down overall.

Everything you accuse me of is projection.  Try again, stupid.

So every grocery store, car insurance sales, phone companies, gas ,etc in the country then. Or at least enough to say they're all going down "overall".  

Not really helping your argument tiny brain.  

[Ron_Artest 1,856]

I see prices up all over, maybe even overall...

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/11/inflation-breakdown-for-august-2025.html

[The Real timschochet 7,120]

The inflation report is bad. 2.9%. 
 

Look for the interest rate cut to be no more than .25 because of this. Not the .5 Wall Street was expecting and hoping for. 

[Strike 5,838]

Stock market is taking this news BAD!!!!!   Dare I say it's TANKING!!!!!!!

[The Real timschochet 7,120]

8 minutes ago, Strike said:

Stock market is taking this news BAD!!!!!   Dare I say it's TANKING!!!!!!!

Well they’re still hoping for the .5 point but will be satisfied with the .25. 
 

Me I am really hoping for the .5 as I have an investment property I would very much like to refinance. But I don’t think it’s in the cards now…

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well they’re still hoping for the .5 point but will be satisfied with the .25. 
 

Me I am really hoping for the .5 as I have an investment property I would very much like to refinance. But I don’t think it’s in the cards now…

I'm specifically talking about today.  

[Ron_Artest 1,856]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

I'm specifically talking about today.  

You don't understand how markets work.

[Horseman 2,683]

I wondered what popped the market today. Inverse GutterBoy effect.  Keep skyscreaming Tiny. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,615]

On 9/8/2025 at 2:19 PM, Ron_Artest said:

My electric bill the past two months has been over $700

You're saying that Phil Murphy's bill to force NJ into 100% renewable energy a ending nuclear service is Trump's fault?

[Ron_Artest 1,856]

16 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You're saying that Phil Murphy's bill to force NJ into 100% renewable energy a ending nuclear service is Trump's fault?

Do you see those words in my post?

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17 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Do you see those words in my post?

Then why bring up the cost of your energy bill?  That cost is up, solely due to the Governor's policies.

[Ron_Artest 1,856]

4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Then why bring up the cost of your energy bill?  That cost is up, solely due to the Governor's policies.

We were discussing prices.  Some people were claiming that prices were down all over.  They are not.

Also I would disagree on the word "solely".  I'm no fan of Gov Phildo either, he deserves a good amount of blame.

Maybe chill out a bit.

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16 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

 

Maybe chill out a bit.

[TBayXXXVII 2,615]

39 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

We were discussing prices.  Some people were claiming that prices were down all over.  They are not.

Also I would disagree on the word "solely".  I'm no fan of Gov Phildo either, he deserves a good amount of blame.

Maybe chill out a bit.

In other words, you were trying to gaslight.  You were trying to give the impression that Trump's policies were causing your electric bill to go up, when it was in fact, "solely" (even though you want to pretend it isn't), caused by the governor.

But, for the sake of argument, let's pretend that Murphy doesn't garner 100% of the blame... let's call it 50%.  The other 50% would fall on PSE & G.  In NO WAY would NJ's energy costs fall at the feet of Trump or his policies (like you wanted to imply by omitting this pertinent information).

Now... you're just trying to deflect.

I don't need to chill, I'm just calling you out for being full of crap.

[Ron_Artest 1,856]

9 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

In other words, you were trying to gaslight.  You were trying to give the impression that Trump's policies were causing your electric bill to go up, when it was in fact, "solely" (even though you want to pretend it isn't), caused by the governor.

But, for the sake of argument, let's pretend that Murphy doesn't garner 100% of the blame... let's call it 50%.  The other 50% would fall on PSE & G.  In NO WAY would NJ's energy costs fall at the feet of Trump or his policies (like you wanted to imply by omitting this pertinent information).

Now... you're just trying to deflect.

I don't need to chill, I'm just calling you out for being full of crap.

No you're just not a smart person and you're driven by emotion.

My first post...

On 9/8/2025 at 2:19 PM, Ron_Artest said:

My electric bill the past two months has been over $700

was in the context of prices.  If you look at the post above, it's an anecdote about eggs prices, the previous 20 or so posts were about prices being up or down.  Your first mistake was thinking I was blaming this on Trump when I clearly never did.

My next post, when asked about it, I replied with this...

On 9/8/2025 at 3:03 PM, Ron_Artest said:

Nope.  Supply and Demand.

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/new-jersey/2025/07/24/why-is-my-electric-bill-so-high-what-to-know-about-rising-nj-rates/85330762007/

Gonna get worse now that Trump cut all solar and wind production.

 

Supply and Demand is my answer.  Not blaming Trump, again.  I also share an article, where they describe what caused the hikes, supply and demand, hot summers, data centers increasing demand and coal plant closures have limited supply.  I blame Gov Phildo, PGM, PSE&G.  I partially blame myself for never getting solar as I planned 2 years ago.  Never blamed Trump.

BUT, you will also see I go ahead and say it will get worse thanks to Trump, and that is true, as NJ did have a large wind farm planned, but that is now cancelled as Trump signed EOs to kill windmill projects.

So, the problem was created by Murphy, PGM and PSEG.  The plan was to increase supply through solar and wind, Trump killed that plan, so now we're focked.  Add it to the list of reasons to get out of this state.

Do you understand now where you were wrong?

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17 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

 

Supply and Demand is my answer. 

Supply and demand doesn't exist. I was told that numerous times as it related to oil and gas prices by many here (don't specifically remember TBay spouting that however)

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3 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

No you're just not a smart person and you're driven by emotion.

My first post...

was in the context of prices.  If you look at the post above, it's an anecdote about eggs prices, the previous 20 or so posts were about prices being up or down.  Your first mistake was thinking I was blaming this on Trump when I clearly never did.

My next post, when asked about it, I replied with this...

Supply and Demand is my answer.  Not blaming Trump, again.  I also share an article, where they describe what caused the hikes, supply and demand, hot summers, data centers increasing demand and coal plant closures have limited supply.  I blame Gov Phildo, PGM, PSE&G.  I partially blame myself for never getting solar as I planned 2 years ago.  Never blamed Trump.

BUT, you will also see I go ahead and say it will get worse thanks to Trump, and that is true, as NJ did have a large wind farm planned, but that is now cancelled as Trump signed EOs to kill windmill projects.

So, the problem was created by Murphy, PGM and PSEG.  The plan was to increase supply through solar and wind, Trump killed that plan, so now we're focked.  Add it to the list of reasons to get out of this state.

Do you understand now where you were wrong?

Where, that you put a left-wing article basically saying that it was someone else's fault and not Murphy's?  Where you're letting it linger out there so that people think that it was about Trump?  All in the name of climate change?  Again, you're going to blame Trump if it goes higher, because of what Murphy did?  You're setting it up to be Trump's fault because of a Democrat governor making a stupid policy.  On top of that, you're going to blame Trump again (if Sherrill wins), because your taxes are going to go up, just so that she can follow through on her campaign promise to lighten your burden on the bull crap energy bill that Murphy enacted.  No, I think I have the gist of it right.

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15 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Where, that you put a left-wing article basically saying that it was someone else's fault and not Murphy's?  Where you're letting it linger out there so that people think that it was about Trump?  All in the name of climate change?  Again, you're going to blame Trump if it goes higher, because of what Murphy did?  You're setting it up to be Trump's fault because of a Democrat governor making a stupid policy.  On top of that, you're going to blame Trump again (if Sherrill wins), because your taxes are going to go up, just so that she can follow through on her campaign promise to lighten your burden on the bull crap energy bill that Murphy enacted.  No, I think I have the gist of it right.

Well of course.   Ron has chronic TDS.   So that always has to be the starting point.  If anything isn't going well, it's Trumps fault.  Period.  If something is going well, he will only accept it IF Trump had nothing to do with it.   That's Ron

[Ron_Artest 1,856]

16 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Where, that you put a left-wing article basically saying that it was someone else's fault and not Murphy's?  Where you're letting it linger out there so that people think that it was about Trump?  All in the name of climate change?  Again, you're going to blame Trump if it goes higher, because of what Murphy did?  You're setting it up to be Trump's fault because of a Democrat governor making a stupid policy.  On top of that, you're going to blame Trump again (if Sherrill wins), because your taxes are going to go up, just so that she can follow through on her campaign promise to lighten your burden on the bull crap energy bill that Murphy enacted.  No, I think I have the gist of it right.

It's like you didn't even read anything I typed

Have to assume you're just trolling.  If not you're not smart enough to have a rational conversation.

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2 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Supply and demand doesn't exist. I was told that numerous times as it related to oil and gas prices by many here (don't specifically remember TBay spouting that however)

A lot of NJ's gas price issues are thanks to the wonderful elected democrats.  They had the votes to pass the gas tax bill in 2016 even if Christie vetoed it, so Christie negotiated for other tax breaks... breaks that the dbag in chief Murphy put an end to... oh, and then he jacked up the gas tax by himself in 2024, without putting it to a public vote.  He also conveniently decided to "extend" the bill to 2029.  It's designed to do exactly what he did.  He extended it without any ballot measure as a ho-hum.  At the time, his objective was to a) if a Democrat wins this year, give them the opportunity to do what he did... just extend it or b) Allow the NJ DNC to use gas prices as a hammer for a Republican (if he wins this year), when he's up for re-election.

This, just like the electricity costs, are self inflicted.  None of that falls at the feet of any person at the federal level.

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8 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

A lot of NJ's gas price issues are thanks to the wonderful elected democrats.  They had the votes to pass the gas tax bill in 2016 even if Christie vetoed it, so Christie negotiated for other tax breaks... breaks that the dbag in chief Murphy put an end to... oh, and then he jacked up the gas tax by himself in 2024, without putting it to a public vote.  He also conveniently decided to "extend" the bill to 2029.  It's designed to do exactly what he did.  He extended it without any ballot measure as a ho-hum.  At the time, his objective was to a) if a Democrat wins this year, give them the opportunity to do what he did... just extend it or b) Allow the NJ DNC to use gas prices as a hammer for a Republican (if he wins this year), when he's up for re-election.

This, just like the electricity costs, are self inflicted.  None of that falls at the feet of any person at the federal level.

I don't disagree. I mentioned before here about PA and how their gas prices are high because Republicans raised gas taxes years ago and then baked those taxes into funding formulas so it was impossible to repeal them without messing up funding for other things.

I was told it was ONLY Biden's policies doing it. It's almost as if a lot of people here who devote themselves to politics talk don't understand anything other than what all the screamers on television tell them to think 

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7 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

It's like you didn't even read anything I typed

Have to assume you're just trolling.  If not you're not smart enough to have a rational conversation.

Yes, in a thread about tariffs where people are talking about costs of products increasing (or not), because of federal involvement, you just threw in a ho-hum "my electric bill went up", because that was supposedly on topic.  

Everything you type, always leads back to Trump's fault.  You even did with your electric bill.  Murphy limits the supply of energy under the guise of "renewable energy" (lol... wind energy), and prohibits nuclear (which is very environmentally friendly).  There was no reason at all for this bill.  Yet, if Trump's measures do increase electric bills in NJ, you'll blame him instead of the guy who actually caused the problem in the first place.

Again, yeah, I think I got the gist of it right. 

[Ron_Artest 1,856]

3 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Yes, in a thread about tariffs where people are talking about costs of products increasing (or not), because of federal involvement, you just threw in a ho-hum "my electric bill went up", because that was supposedly on topic.  

Everything you type, always leads back to Trump's fault.  You even did with your electric bill.  Murphy limits the supply of energy under the guise of "renewable energy" (lol... wind energy), and prohibits nuclear (which is very environmentally friendly).  There was no reason at all for this bill.  Yet, if Trump's measures do increase electric bills in NJ, you'll blame him instead of the guy who actually caused the problem in the first place.

Again, yeah, I think I got the gist of it right. 

You're just making excuses for why you focked up.  You know that right?  After I posted about blaming supply and demand, not trump, you're still trying to say that I "implied" trump.  It was pretty clear what I blamed my electric bill on.

Also NJ does not prohibit nuclear energy.  What bill are you talking about?

[TBayXXXVII 2,615]

29 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I don't disagree. I mentioned before here about PA and how their gas prices are high because Republicans raised gas taxes years ago and then baked those taxes into funding formulas so it was impossible to repeal them without messing up funding for other things.

I was told it was ONLY Biden's policies doing it. It's almost as if a lot of people here who devote themselves to politics talk don't understand anything other than what all the screamers on television tell them to think 

You're right, but not completely.  Democrats just jacked that tax up last year, didn't they?

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1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You're right, but not completely.  Democrats just jacked that tax up last year, didn't they?

The bill was written in 2013 and had floors built into it so if the price stayed above a certain floor it would go up. That triggered in 2023 . But again- it was written in a way so it baked into transportation infrastructure....so you could get rid of it but it would require figuring out how to gain back- on average- 65 cents a gallon on gas/diesel.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

You're just making excuses for why you focked up.  You know that right?  After I posted about blaming supply and demand, not trump, you're still trying to say that I "implied" trump.  It was pretty clear what I blamed my electric bill on.

Also NJ does not prohibit nuclear energy.  What bill are you talking about?

No, I pretty much nailed that part.  You wanted people to think Trump was the problem almost no one on this board lives here so they wouldn't actually know the truth, and because you never said it was Murphy and the state Democrats.  You even posted a link that gave Murphy a free pass.  It wasn't until 

As far as prohibiting nuclear energy, I misspoke.  He didn't prohibit them, he just closed one of them.  That one, plus 5 other coal burning plants, produced 20% of the states electricity, the majority of that 20% coming from that one nuclear plant.  Because of that, here's the irony, NJ is relying on importing energy from out of state and that energy is being produced from guess where?  That's right, the burning of fossil fuels.

So, NJ is staying "greener", but we're now paying more for the same kind of energy we were doing for a portion of the price.  He's an idiot and so are the Democrat's who wanted and supported it.  NOW, Sherrill, the dumb broad, is campaigning on helping the citizens alleviate that burden.  How funny is that?  Murphy causes the problem, she white washes is, then campaigns to help people.  Gotta love it.  Dumbocrats in this state will buy it and probably elect her.  This state never really votes red.  Both Whitman and Christie weren't red... they were more purple.  Ciattarelli is probably the only actual Republican NJ has had running for governor in my lifetime, that seems to have a chance to win.  I don't have much faith in the population to elect him though.  Hope I'm wrong.

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3 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

It's like you didn't even read anything I typed

Have to assume you're just trolling.  If not you're not smart enough to have a rational conversation.

How come you didn’t mention it last year when prices spiked like it said in the article you linked? 

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47 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

The bill was written in 2013 and had floors built into it so if the price stayed above a certain floor it would go up. That triggered in 2023 . But again- it was written in a way so it baked into transportation infrastructure....so you could get rid of it but it would require figuring out how to gain back- on average- 65 cents a gallon on gas/diesel.

I can think of a few ways to get it back.  Jack up the tax on charter flight fuel.  Add taxes for hotel rooms.  Add taxes to round trip airline tickets bought outside of PA.  This is how most states should operate.  Make the tourists and climate change activists who fly all over the world all the time, pay for it.

They estimate that last year, PA brought in about $2.8B from the gas tax.  In 2022, almost 2.9M rooms were booked in Philadelphia.  In Allegheny County, about 3.8 million were booked.  In the Philadelphia and Pittsburgh areas, you have over 6.5M hotel rooms booked.  I've gone with the little woman to places like Tennessee, Ohio, Connecticut, and others where they charge for stupid crap... Ohio specifically, charged $16 per night, for a "luxury housing tax".  Tack on $20 a night in PA.  There is $120M just from those 2 areas.  That's not counting areas like Harrisburg or the Penn State area.  This like that can easily be added to reduce costs to the tax payer.  I noticed that the costs for aviation fuel was only 10% of the automobile tax.  Willing to bet if if was 25% or even 50% (because the automobile number would drop), that would make a huge dent as well.

There's ways to do it, they just don't want to... any of them.  All of the politicians are jackazzes.

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20 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

How come you didn’t mention it last year when prices spiked like it said in the article you linked? 

Shhh... that's the part you don't say out loud.  I bet that if Sherrill is elected, he'll be here complaining about his property taxes going up... and blaming Trump's policies.

[Ron_Artest 1,856]

25 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

How come you didn’t mention it last year when prices spiked like it said in the article you linked? 

They didn't spike last year, it was this year

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2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

They didn't spike last year, it was this year

So if your wife a shorty too? And is she also unemployed? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,704]

On 9/8/2025 at 3:09 PM, Hardcore troubadour said:

From your article : “Rates surged in 2024”.  Also Trump or his policies are not mentioned. You didn’t read it again, did you? What’s the matter with you? 

Read it Gutterdope. It most certainly did.  

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1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I can think of a few ways to get it back.  Jack up the tax on charter flight fuel.  Add taxes for hotel rooms.  Add taxes to round trip airline tickets bought outside of PA.  This is how most states should operate.  Make the tourists and climate change activists who fly all over the world all the time, pay for it.

They estimate that last year, PA brought in about $2.8B from the gas tax.  In 2022, almost 2.9M rooms were booked in Philadelphia.  In Allegheny County, about 3.8 million were booked.  In the Philadelphia and Pittsburgh areas, you have over 6.5M hotel rooms booked.  I've gone with the little woman to places like Tennessee, Ohio, Connecticut, and others where they charge for stupid crap... Ohio specifically, charged $16 per night, for a "luxury housing tax".  Tack on $20 a night in PA.  There is $120M just from those 2 areas.  That's not counting areas like Harrisburg or the Penn State area.  This like that can easily be added to reduce costs to the tax payer.  I noticed that the costs for aviation fuel was only 10% of the automobile tax.  Willing to bet if if was 25% or even 50% (because the automobile number would drop), that would make a huge dent as well.

There's ways to do it, they just don't want to... any of them.  All of the politicians are jackazzes.

The bolded part is the most important thing and it's why hero worship of politicians, and all the fighting over them is idiotic.