Here come the tariffs

[supermike80 1,992]

10 minutes ago, MDC said:

Trump spent years biiching about inflation and campaigned on lowering prices Day 1. 

Yes we know MDC.   And as we have discussed, I understand it is difficult for everyone to have the very first President ever to not live up to a campaign promise.   We are all adjusting to this new development

[Ron_Artest 1,795]

You know you're in a cult when the CPI data shows prices increased, but you believe an 80 year old senile liar instead.

[MDC 7,629]

9 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Yes we know MDC.   And as we have discussed, I understand it is difficult for everyone to have the very first President ever to not live up to a campaign promise.   We are all adjusting to this new development

This disconnect between “Day 1 lower prices” and “actually higher prices” might explain the 20-point drop in Trump’s approval rating since he took office. 

[supermike80 1,992]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

This disconnect between “Day 1 lower prices” and “actually higher prices” might explain the 20-point drop in Trump’s approval rating since he took office. 

Polls are fun!

[MDC 7,629]

Just now, supermike80 said:

Polls are fun!

They’re fake if they make Daddy mad.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,649]

Two things liberals did not care about during Biden: High prices and Epstein.  lol. 

[supermike80 1,992]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

They’re fake if they make Daddy mad.

Noo...I have been clear.  They ALL Suck.......All the time, everytime

[MDC 7,629]

4 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Noo...I have been clear.  They ALL Suck.......All the time, everytime

Then why keep cucking for this one?  

[Ron_Artest 1,795]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Two things liberals did not care about during Biden: High prices and Epstein.  lol. 

Trump lied to you about releasing the Epstein files, he lied to you about lowering prices, he lied to you bringing jobs back, he lied to you helping the middle and lower class, and here you are still cucking for him.  Shameful.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,649]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

Trump lied to you about releasing the Epstein files, he lied to you about lowering prices, he lied to you bringing jobs back, he lied to you helping the middle and lower class, and here you are still cucking for him.  Shameful.

Did you believe in climate change before you got TDS? 

[MDC 7,629]

Two things MAGAs cared about during Biden: high prices and Epstein.  

[supermike80 1,992]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

Then why keep cucking for this one?  

Oh I'm not.  Prices are going up.  No doubt.  Am I happy about that?  Nope.   But when you cry babies come on here and say stupid things like "he promised on day one" you just look so...silly.   You sound and act like emotional little girls.  

 

[MDC 7,629]

3 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Oh I'm not.  Prices are going up.  No doubt.  Am I happy about that?  Nope.   But when you cry babies come on here and say stupid things like "he promised on day one" you just look so...silly.   You sound and act like emotional little girls.  

 

The elderly billionaire you voted for Twitter sobbed about prices for years.  

[supermike80 1,992]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

The elderly billionaire you voted for Twitter sobbed about prices for years.  

Is that english?

[MDC 7,629]

6 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Is that english?

 

Trump complained about high costs for years. Now he’s in office and you MAGAs are sad and bad that people are complaining about even higher costs. Get it?

[supermike80 1,992]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

 

Trump complained about high costs for years. Now he’s in office and you MAGAs are sad and bad that people are complaining about even higher costs. Get it?

#1.  I am not a MAGA.

#2.  It's not the complaining.  It's the whining like a silly little girl.   Ohhhhhh  Bad Trump said on day oneeeee  WAHHHHHH   

[MDC 7,629]

4 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

#1.  I am not a MAGA.

#2.  It's not the complaining.  It's the whining like a silly little girl.   Ohhhhhh  Bad Trump said on day oneeeee  WAHHHHHH   

Seems to me you’re doing most of the whining this morning, friend-o.  

[supermike80 1,992]

9 minutes ago, MDC said:

Seems to me you’re doing most of the whining this morning, friend-o.  

Yeah...not really.   You ask questions, I answer them.  That's all.

Try to be more level headed.  We get you don't like Trump.   Anything about him.  Use reason and logic.   Crying like a little girl is a very very bad trait that many liberals have.  Its extremely unmanly.   

[MDC 7,629]

8 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Yeah...not really.   You ask questions, I answer them.  That's all.

Try to be more level headed.  We get you don't like Trump.   Anything about him.  Use reason and logic.   Crying like a little girl is a very very bad trait that many liberals have.  Its extremely unmanly.   

Pointing out that higher costs is the opposite of lower costs is crying - got it. Sorry I hurt your feels on this Monday morning. 

[supermike80 1,992]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Pointing out that higher costs is the opposite of lower costs is crying - got it. Sorry I hurt your feels on this Monday morning. 

Nope.   That was fine.  It was the he promised on day one crying.   You know that was what it was for.

If you had just pointed that out, and didn't add the little cry baby sh!t, you wouldn't be getting embarassed

[Ron_Artest 1,795]

There is no bigger crybaby than Donald Trump.  If you can't see that, you're in a cult.

[MDC 7,629]

2 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Nope.   That was fine.  It was the he promised on day one crying.   You know that was what it was for.

If you had just pointed that out, and didn't add the little cry baby sh!t, you wouldn't be getting embarassed

Dsy 1 was Don’s claim. I added it in for funsies, not to punch you in the kunt.  

[supermike80 1,992]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

Dsy 1 was Don’s claim. I added it in for funsies, not to punch you in the kunt.  

Sure you did.   Sure.

[WhiteWonder 2,848]

3 hours ago, MDC said:

Trump spent years biiching about inflation and campaigned on lowering prices Day 1. 

cool. Im not a Trump guy, and I know you're better at reading than guttertard. As I said, I am seeing lower prices all over. So in a vacuum, he's done what he campaigned on, at least for me and my area. There was a thread not long ago where people were discussing prices of gas/beef/eggs where they lived and it seemed like the minority of people were seeing prices still be high.  I've got cheaper gas, eggs, overall grocery bills, internet and cell phone bills... my auto insurance 6 month premiums also fell this year. The place where I had been renting was nailing me with 8% increases in 2022 and 2023. My old neighbor told me this year his increase was 3%.  Pretty much the only thing that is higher for me is natural gas and electric bills but those started getting higher back in 2024 

Regardless, my point was that no matter if you agree with tariffs or not, if prices are not lower where you live, or if someone like myself starts to see them rising again, at least we can point to why and have some hope that it's for a greater good plan where we will see the benefits down the road.  again, I am not saying you have to agree that there will be any long term benefit from tariffs... I am only saying that we have something tangible to point to where potential long term benefits have been discussed. 

Contrast that to 2023, 2024. What was the rationale behind the higher prices then? I feel like I often just heard "well, Putin invaded Ukraine!" 

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5 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

cool. Im not a Trump guy, and I know you're better at reading than guttertard. As I said, I am seeing lower prices all over. So in a vacuum, he's done what he campaigned on, at least for me and my area. There was a thread not long ago where people were discussing prices of gas/beef/eggs where they lived and it seemed like the minority of people were seeing prices still be high.  I've got cheaper gas, eggs, overall grocery bills, internet and cell phone bills... my auto insurance 6 month premiums also fell this year. The place where I had been renting was nailing me with 8% increases in 2022 and 2023. My old neighbor told me this year his increase was 3%.  Pretty much the only thing that is higher for me is natural gas and electric bills but those started getting higher back in 2024 

Regardless, my point was that no matter if you agree with tariffs or not, if prices are not lower where you live, or if someone like myself starts to see them rising again, at least we can point to why and have some hope that it's for a greater good plan where we will see the benefits down the road.  again, I am not saying you have to agree that there will be any long term benefit from tariffs... I am only saying that we have something tangible to point to where potential long term benefits have been discussed. 

Contrast that to 2023, 2024. What was the rationale behind the higher prices then? I feel like I often just heard "well, Putin invaded Ukraine!" 

The consumer price index showed prices up nearly 3% from July 24-25 and we’ve had positive inflation all year. So, costs on average are higher now under Trump than they were under Biden.

There is definitely an argument to be made for everyone paying a little more for goods to boost US manufacturing and jobs. The thing is, Trump never made that argument. He beeched about inflation nonstop and promised lower prices.

It’s a little late in the game for Don to start talking about belt tightening and the collective good while he runs a bitcoin grift from the Oval Office and takes his security entourage golfing on the public dime. 

[WhiteWonder 2,848]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

The consumer price index showed prices up nearly 3% from July 24-25 and we’ve had positive inflation all year. So, costs on average are higher now under Trump than they were under Biden.

There is definitely an argument to be made for everyone paying a little more for goods to boost US manufacturing and jobs. The thing is, Trump never made that argument. He beeched about inflation nonstop and promised lower prices.

It’s a little late in the game for Don to start talking about belt tightening and the collective good while he runs a bitcoin grift from the Oval Office and takes his security entourage golfing on the public dime. 

again, my post was not really about Trump or pro Trump, so you don't need to fill your response with jabs at Trump. You can keep it to basic discussion. I was simply saying what I have seen in my area all year... and again, pointing to the fact that if we are blaming tariffs for any rise in prices, at least the issue is something that economists will argue short term/long term benefits and detriments.  To me that feels better than simply having high costs and being like "well, Russia!"  I would rather it be because of our own actions that could at least potentially have long term benefits.  It doesn't matter to me if Trump made that argument because most rational people with a basic understanding of economics  (like a guy with a minor in finance)  should know the possible positive outcomes that are on the table. 

I mean, I can't imagine Nancy Pelosi stood in front of congress in the 90's beating the drum about trade imbalance with China and our lack of reciprocal tariffs just for fun. I would imagine she was proposing action, though nothing was ever done, with a long term benefit mindset. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,282]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Two things liberals did not care about during Biden: High prices and Epstein.  lol. 

and broken campaign promises (i.e. "I'm going to cure cancer if you vote for me").

[seafoam1 3,237]

13 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

and broken campaign promises (i.e. "I'm going to cure cancer if you vote for me").

Liberal response: "Stop living in the past! We are talking about Trump now! "

All they have left in their lives is race baiting, fear mongering, and whining about things that don't even exist. 

This is the lifestyle they chose to live. At least it was a choice before they got TDS. After that, it's simply became their destiny to live that way. 

 

[Ron_Artest 1,795]

If you blame Biden for inflation the last 4 years but now think prices are going down, you are in a cult.

[MDC 7,629]

45 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

again, my post was not really about Trump or pro Trump, so you don't need to fill your response with jabs at Trump. You can keep it to basic discussion. I was simply saying what I have seen in my area all year... and again, pointing to the fact that if we are blaming tariffs for any rise in prices, at least the issue is something that economists will argue short term/long term benefits and detriments.  To me that feels better than simply having high costs and being like "well, Russia!"  I would rather it be because of our own actions that could at least potentially have long term benefits.  It doesn't matter to me if Trump made that argument because most rational people with a basic understanding of economics  (like a guy with a minor in finance)  should know the possible positive outcomes that are on the table. 

I mean, I can't imagine Nancy Pelosi stood in front of congress in the 90's beating the drum about trade imbalance with China and our lack of reciprocal tariffs just for fun. I would imagine she was proposing action, though nothing was ever done, with a long term benefit mindset. 

I don’t know where you live, but costs are objectively up this year over last year, so your experience is an outlier.  

I get the theory behind tariffs and the potential long term benefit. It’s sort of impossible to discuss it without talking about the way it’s being implemented. But this doesn’t look like a long-term plan to boost manufacturing to me. It’s a stunt.

Sorry. Seems more relevant than whatever Pelosi said in the 90s.

[WhiteWonder 2,848]

16 minutes ago, MDC said:

I don’t know where you live, but costs are objectively up this year over last year, so your experience is an outlier.  

I get the theory behind tariffs and the potential long term benefit. It’s sort of impossible to discuss it without talking about the way it’s being implemented. But this doesn’t look like a long-term plan to boost manufacturing to me. It’s a stunt.

Sorry. Seems more relevant than whatever Pelosi said in the 90s.

I only bring up Pelosi because she is a great liberal hero. Nothing major was ever done in the 90s but she was speaking on it. So while I don't really like Donald Trump, I can at least say he's taking action that others have only spoken about. Same can sort of be said for deportation and curbing new illegal immigration.  I am not even saying he's going about it 100% the correct way, just that he is taking action. I think it also speaks volumes that one of the things from his first term that Biden/Harris did not axe (and actually added some new ones I believe) was his initial tariffs 

[MDC 7,629]

11 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I only bring up Pelosi because she is a great liberal hero. Nothing major was ever done in the 90s but she was speaking on it. So while I don't really like Donald Trump, I can at least say he's taking action that others have only spoken about. Same can sort of be said for deportation and curbing new illegal immigration.  I am not even saying he's going about it 100% the correct way, just that he is taking action. I think it also speaks volumes that one of the things from his first term that Biden/Harris did not axe (and actually added some new ones I believe) was his initial tariffs 

I’d maybe give Trump credit if I thought this was a plan to boost US manufacturing and not just a stunt from a reality TV narcissist.

It can take years to get a manufacturing plant online. Why would a business do that when Trump changes his mind every few weeks? By the time the new widget factory is up and running he may have called the trade war off.

Again, I know you don’t want to talk about Trump but his policies are a lot more relevant than Harris, Biden and Pelosi. 

[WhiteWonder 2,848]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

I’d maybe give Trump credit if I thought this was a plan to boost US manufacturing and not just a stunt from a reality TV narcissist.

It can take years to get a manufacturing plant online. Why would a business do that when Trump changes his mind every few weeks? By the time the new widget factory is up and running he may have called the trade war off.

Again, I know you don’t want to talk about Trump but his policies are a lot more relevant than Harris, Biden and Pelosi. 

I didn't say I don't want to talk about Trump. The topic is indeed about Trump. I was saying there was no need to the bring the TDS level jabs that don't have anything to do with the topic.. (reality TV narcissist for example). 

I mentioned biden/kamala because they kept the tariffs from Trumps first term. I think that is very relevant to the topic... but I didn't say something like "Biden, while trying to figure out where he was on a day to day basis, decided to keep Trumps tariffs".... 

[purdygood 355]

I bought 12 eggs yesterday at Safeway.  $11.99

[Ron_Artest 1,795]

My electric bill the past two months has been over $700

[MDC 7,629]

42 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I didn't say I don't want to talk about Trump. The topic is indeed about Trump. I was saying there was no need to the bring the TDS level jabs that don't have anything to do with the topic.. (reality TV narcissist for example). 

I mentioned biden/kamala because they kept the tariffs from Trumps first term. I think that is very relevant to the topic... but I didn't say something like "Biden, while trying to figure out where he was on a day to day basis, decided to keep Trumps tariffs".... 

We’re just going to have to agree to disagree here. I think Trump’s unseriousness is relevant. Businesses aren’t going to invest in domestic manufacturing if they don’t feel like tariffs are part of a long term strategy. And the public isn’t going to back it if they were sold on lower prices. Congress didn’t approve tariffs and they’ll start getting skittish when midterms come up. So it all seems like a big stunt.

TDS I know. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,649]

35 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

My electric bill the past two months has been over $700

Private equity buy your electric company? 

[Strike 5,785]

41 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

My electric bill the past two months has been over $700

Maybe turn your vibrator off once in a while......

[Ron_Artest 1,795]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Private equity buy your electric company? 

Nope.  Supply and Demand.

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/new-jersey/2025/07/24/why-is-my-electric-bill-so-high-what-to-know-about-rising-nj-rates/85330762007/

Gonna get worse now that Trump cut all solar and wind production.

 

[seafoam1 3,237]

3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Nope.  Supply and Demand.

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/new-jersey/2025/07/24/why-is-my-electric-bill-so-high-what-to-know-about-rising-nj-rates/85330762007/

Gonna get worse now that Trump cut all solar and wind production.

 

Seems like gutterboy made some bad investments.