Judge's ruling to allow SJSU trans women's volleyball player to compete in tournament receives backlash

[jbycho 754]

13 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Do you enjoy watching crossdressers play volleyball like GUTTERBOY does? 

That guy mdc does for sure. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

Just now, jbycho said:

That guy mdc does for sure. 

Absolutely, he's a big supporter of the Crossdressers.  

[jbycho 754]

Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

Absolutely, he's a big supporter of the Crossdressers.  

He's ALWAYS the first on the scene. ALWAYS. 

[TimHauck 2,876]

I’m kinda wondering if the Idaho governor is directing Boise State to forfeit.  He’s made a lot of x posts about it.

[TimHauck 2,876]

Here is a video of Boise State celebrating their win in the last round, and you can see the logo for San Jose State already there as the opponent.  The team x account even put the hashtag “what’s next.”   Doesn’t seem like they knew they were going to be forfeiting IMO

https://twitter.com/BroncoSportsVB/status/1861963647645565058

 

 

[jerryskids 6,799]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Not sure why you would choose to bring me up regarding this topic. I’ve been very clear: transgender women should not be allowed to compete in girls sports. Period. On other issues regarding trans I tend to be woke and accepting- I don’t think it’s a mental disease, I’m for allowing them to use the bathrooms of their choice, I don’t think the state should be involved in gender affirming treatment etc. etc. and I reject totally the conservative anti-trans hysteria. But on this one issue I find myself on the conservative side. 

I appreciate that you don't support biological men in women's sports; that is the no-brainer of this situation.   

I've also said that I see both sides of the bathroom discussion, although IMO other women's spaces like locker rooms, spas, prisons, are a hard no.

That being said, trans is a mental disease.  At its core, it's no different than thinking you are an animal, or a reincarnation of Julius Caesar (I actually knew a VP of engineering who believed this).

If you believe you are something you aren't, that's a mental disease.  It doesn't mean you are a bad person (for example, pedophilia is a mental disease, where you believe you should have sex with children), but it's not normal.

And before you say "it's normal to them!" so is the animal, Julius Caesar, pedophilia, etc.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,264]

Men shouldn't be allowed in women's restrooms regardless of what species or gender they refer to themselves as. Why? Slipper slope. They will then be allowed in locker rooms, and eventually you have a grown man with his junk hanging out changing in front of your daughter. This isn't even a debate. The left assumes men who pretend to be women all have the best intentions. If one girl or woman is abused because we allowed males into female spaces, then it's not worth it. Which has already happened, which was also obviously predictable.

[TimHauck 2,876]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Here is a video of Boise State celebrating their win in the last round, and you can see the logo for San Jose State already there as the opponent.  The team x account even put the hashtag “what’s next.”   Doesn’t seem like they knew they were going to be forfeiting IMO

https://twitter.com/BroncoSportsVB/status/1861963647645565058

 

 

Looking a little more into this, it looks like when Wyoming forfeited during the regular season it may not have been their choice and that it was influenced by “outside pressure.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/wyoming-volleyball-coach-worried-about-political-pressure-to-forfeit-vs-san-jose-state/ar-AA1tNjec

Again, I commend the players if they made this choice.  But hopefully they’re actually the ones that made the choice.

[jerryskids 6,799]

30 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Looking a little more into this, it looks like when Wyoming forfeited during the regular season it may not have been their choice and that it was influenced by “outside pressure.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/wyoming-volleyball-coach-worried-about-political-pressure-to-forfeit-vs-san-jose-state/ar-AA1tNjec

Again, I commend the players if they made this choice.  But hopefully they’re actually the ones that made the choice.

What was the outside pressure?  And why are you defending this?

 

[TimHauck 2,876]

7 hours ago, jerryskids said:

What was the outside pressure?  And why are you defending this?

 

Defending what?  I am defending the opposing team’s opportunity to be the ones that actually make the decision whether or not to play.

According to this article, at least the first time Wyoming forfeited it was not the players’ choice.  The outside pressure came from both “activist groups” some of which are named in the article, but also the state legislature which supposedly threatened to cut funding to the university.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/dan-wolken/2024/10/29/san-jose-state-volleyball-boise-state-wyoming-forfeit/75914113007/

[TimHauck 2,876]

San Jose State lost in the conference tournament final

[jbycho 754]

26 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

San Jose State lost in the conference tournament final

What does that have to do with ANYTHING? 

[TimHauck 2,876]

12 hours ago, jerryskids said:

What was the outside pressure?  And why are you defending this?

 

Here’s a quote from that first article by the Wyoming AD which is relevant to the “it’s a safety issue!” complaint:

“I do think it's important to note, we have played against this athlete for the past two seasons and our student-athletes felt safe in the previous matches,” Burman wrote. "She is not the best or most dominant hitter on the Spartans team. Having said that it doesn't make it ok.

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

San Jose State lost in the conference tournament final

So it's ok to have Male Crossdressers play against Women?

[TimHauck 2,876]

39 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

So it's ok to have Male Crossdressers play against Women?

No

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

No

So why is it happening? Liberals? 

[Strike 5,547]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Here’s a quote from that first article by the Boise State AD which is relevant to the “it’s a safety issue!” complaint:

“I do think it's important to note, we have played against this athlete for the past two seasons and our student-athletes felt safe in the previous matches,” Burman wrote. "She is not the best or most dominant hitter on the Spartans team. Having said that it doesn't make it ok.

I have a question for you, and please don't take this the wrong way.   Are you on the Autism spectrum?  Because you have a habit of latching on to one minute detail of an issue and making it your life's work to prove it either wrong or right.  In this case, it appears to be that Boise is forfeiting due to safety reasons.  I was curious who was making that argument so I went through this entire thread and the only person I see who made that argument was Jerry who did so in his post with the article he posted yesterday.  However, in a subsequent post after you took issue with that comment, he acknowledged it might NOT be for safety reasons but for the integrity of the game.  So I'm curious why you'd continue to harp on that ONE aspect of this issue other than you must be on the spectrum.  Can you confirm?

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

45 minutes ago, Strike said:

I have a question for you, and please don't take this the wrong way.   Are you on the Autism spectrum?  Because you have a habit of latching on to one minute detail of an issue and making it your life's work to prove it either wrong or right.  In this case, it appears to be that Boise is forfeiting due to safety reasons.  I was curious who was making that argument so I went through this entire thread and the only person I see who made that argument was Jerry who did so in his post with the article he posted yesterday.  However, in a subsequent post after you took issue with that comment, he acknowledged it might NOT be for safety reasons but for the integrity of the game.  So I'm curious why you'd continue to harp on that ONE aspect of this issue other than you must be on the spectrum.  Can you confirm?

Lol. You hope he doesn’t take your question “the wrong way.” The only way to take such a question is that only an a$$hole would ask it. 

[squistion 2,202]

12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Lol. You hope he doesn’t take your question “the wrong way.” The only way to take such a question is that only an a$$hole would ask it. 

Um, you asked the same question of me once upon a time in the PSF.

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

2 minutes ago, squistion said:

Um, you asked the same question of me once upon a time in the PSF.

 

[The Real timschochet 6,765]

2 minutes ago, squistion said:

Um, you asked the same question of me once upon a time in the PSF.

Yeah and I was being an a$$hole. Sorry about that. 

[squistion 2,202]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yeah and I was being an a$$hole. Sorry about that. 

Apology accepted. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

3 minutes ago, squistion said:

Apology accepted. 

Paraplegic Inhuman Lier 

[TimHauck 2,876]

53 minutes ago, Strike said:

I have a question for you, and please don't take this the wrong way.   Are you on the Autism spectrum?  Because you have a habit of latching on to one minute detail of an issue and making it your life's work to prove it either wrong or right.  In this case, it appears to be that Boise is forfeiting due to safety reasons.  I was curious who was making that argument so I went through this entire thread and the only person I see who made that argument was Jerry who did so in his post with the article he posted yesterday.  However, in a subsequent post after you took issue with that comment, he acknowledged it might NOT be for safety reasons but for the integrity of the game.  So I'm curious why you'd continue to harp on that ONE aspect of this issue other than you must be on the spectrum.  Can you confirm?

My prior post was not specifically addressed at @jerryskids, but moreso to those making that argument in general.  For example, you have also made that argument in a prior thread, so it’s weird to me that you’re coming into this one saying “Jerry was the only one who even said anything about that,” and then of course you go on to make the same argument by saying “it appears Boise is forfeiting for safety reasons.”  Which is a lie btw, we don’t know why Boise State forfeited.  We do know that Wyoming’s AD (apologies, I said Boise State at first but it was Wyoming) specifically said it was NOT for safety reasons why they forfeited.

What we do know about Boise State is that their team celebrated their win in the prior round, knowing who their next round opponent would be, and based on that celebration it did not look like a team that was planning to forfeit.  That is the other aspect of this story that I find interesting that doesn’t seem to be being talked about much.  Hopefully it was actually the teams making the decisions whether or not to play.  It’d be disappointing if their hand was being forced by people trying to create political theater.

[Strike 5,547]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

My prior post was not specifically addressed at @jerryskids, but moreso to those making that argument in general.  For example, you have also made that argument in a prior thread, so it’s weird to me that you’re coming into this one saying “Jerry was the only one who even said anything about that,” and then of course you go on to make the same argument by saying “it appears Boise is forfeiting for safety reasons.”  Which is a lie btw, we don’t know why Boise State forfeited.  We do know that Wyoming’s AD (apologies, I said Boise State at first but it was Wyoming) specifically said it was NOT for safety reasons why they forfeited.

What we do know about Boise State is that their team celebrated their win in the prior round, knowing who their next round opponent would be, and based on that celebration it did not look like a team that was planning to forfeit.  That is the other aspect of this story that I find interesting that doesn’t seem to be being talked about much.  Hopefully it was actually the teams making the decisions whether or not to play.  It’d be disappointing if their hand was being forced by people trying to create political theater.

Safety is absolutely a concern, ESPECIALLY in ths sport.  Ask Payton McNabb, who is still dealing with her injuries.  But it's not the ONLY concern.  The point is that these schools are forfeiting due to a biological male competing on the other team.  There are multiple reasons this is bad and I don't think most of us who are opposed to biological males competing want to be laser focused on any single reason. 

@The Real timschochet  There is nothing a-holish about the question I asked.  i was asked it just yesterday by someone else, for a different reason.  I was not offended.  Why do you consider asking someone that a-holish?  ti's a legit question.  People on the spectrum think and behave differently.  I am not insulting or demeaning him by asking that question.   But that's your MO - look for things to be offended by even if they're not offensive.   By the way, my answer yesterday was "not as far as I know", which isn't to say I couldn't be mildly on the spectrum.  It is my belief that we all have varying levels of some type of mental issue, based upon our scientific definitions of mental issues.  When it becomes a problem is when one has too much of that issue.  It explains much of the difference in behaviors and attitudes between different people.

[jerryskids 6,799]

16 minutes ago, Strike said:

Safety is absolutely a concern, ESPECIALLY in ths sport.  Ask Payton McNabb, who is still dealing with her injuries.  But it's not the ONLY concern.  The point is that these schools are forfeiting due to a biological male competing on the other team.  There are multiple reasons this is bad and I don't think most of us who are opposed to biological males competing want to be laser focused on any single reason. 

@The Real timschochet  There is nothing a-holish about the question I asked.  i was asked it just yesterday by someone else, for a different reason.  I was not offended.  Why do you consider asking someone that a-holish?  ti's a legit question.  People on the spectrum think and behave differently.  I am not insulting or demeaning him by asking that question.   But that's your MO - look for things to be offended by even if they're not offensive.   By the way, my answer yesterday was "not as far as I know", which isn't to say I couldn't be mildly on the spectrum.  It is my belief that we all have varying levels of some type of mental issue, based upon our scientific definitions of mental issues.  When it becomes a problem is when one has too much of that issue.  It explains much of the difference in behaviors and attitudes between different people.

I have asked @TimHaucknumerous times if he is on the spectrum, for the same reason you did.  I'd be very surprised if he isn't.

I like Tim.  We can be kinda... mean at this place.  I'd rather know if he is, in which case I might not keep calling him a yip yip dog.

[TimHauck 2,876]

25 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I have asked @TimHaucknumerous times if he is on the spectrum, for the same reason you did.  I'd be very surprised if he isn't.

I like Tim.  We can be kinda... mean at this place.  I'd rather know if he is, in which case I might not keep calling him a yip yip dog.

Not that I’m aware of, although my wife has made comments that she thinks I am too.

[TimHauck 2,876]

3 hours ago, Strike said:

Safety is absolutely a concern, ESPECIALLY in ths sport.  Ask Payton McNabb, who is still dealing with her injuries.  But it's not the ONLY concern.  The point is that these schools are forfeiting due to a biological male competing on the other team.  There are multiple reasons this is bad and I don't think most of us who are opposed to biological males competing want to be laser focused on any single reason

It can be a safety issue in general, but there’s no evidence it is in this specific case, which is not relevant to McNabb.  She was also in high school, which has no testosterone requirements.  The NCAA does and Fleming meets them.

[jbycho 754]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

It can be a safety issue in general, but there’s no evidence it is in this specific case, which is not relevant to McNabb.  She was also in high school, which has no testosterone requirements.  The NCAA does and Fleming meets them.

When did you get so dumb? Guys are not, and never will be, girls. 

[TimHauck 2,876]

13 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Guys are not, and never will be, girls. 

Agree

[easilyscan 925]

Wouldn't it be great if no one except for the trans/testicle showed up for the next match.

 

[jbycho 754]

45 minutes ago, easilyscan said:

Wouldn't it be great if no one except for the trans/testicle showed up for the next match.

 

It would be great. GREAT. I wish it would happen. 

Society needs to tell sick people when they are sick. 

[TimHauck 2,876]

2 hours ago, easilyscan said:

Wouldn't it be great if no one except for the trans/testicle showed up for the next match.

 

She probably isn’t going to have a next match. Her mediocre career is over

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,106]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

She probably isn’t going to have a next match. Her mediocre career is over

HIS mediocre career. 

[Strike 5,547]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

It can be a safety issue in general, but there’s no evidence it is in this specific case, which is not relevant to McNabb.  She was also in high school, which has no testosterone requirements.  The NCAA does and Fleming meets them.

So your stance is that we can't consider a biological male participating in a given female sport a safety issue unless something unsafe happens with that particular biological male?  That's nucking futs. 

[TimHauck 2,876]

25 minutes ago, Strike said:

So your stance is that we can't consider a biological male participating in a given female sport a safety issue unless something unsafe happens with that particular biological male?  That's nucking futs. 

No that is not my stance.  But if no one in the NCAA considers a player a safety issue for 3 years of competition, why would they be one all of a sudden in their fourth?

[Strike 5,547]

8 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

No that is not my stance.  But if no one in the NCAA considers a player a safety issue for 3 years of competition, why would they be one all of a sudden in their fourth?

Why does any of this matter?  We're talking policy.  And the stance or people such as myself and I believe Jerry although I don't want to speak for him, is that a biological male should not be playing on the biological female team, and safety is one of the reasons.  If Gary Coleman wants to try out for the volleyball team as a girl I still wouldn't want him on the team even though I'm about 100% certain he wouldn't pose a safety issue for the girls for what should be obvious reasons.  That wouldn't change my stance that he shouldn't be eligible to play on the team.  Given you can't disprove it I'm just gonna assume you ARE on the autism spectrum because despite what I think is a very logical argument you keep clinging to this one specific aspect of this issue. 

Oh, and can you post the athletic history of THIS particular player because it my recollection that he is new to this team this year.  I'd like to see his history of playing on other biologically female teams in the past since you are asserting he has been for at least 3 years.  TIA.

[jerryskids 6,799]

30 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

No that is not my stance.  But if no one in the NCAA considers a player a safety issue for 3 years of competition, why would they be one all of a sudden in their fourth?

No one does, not a single female volleyball player in all of the NCAA?

[TimHauck 2,876]

37 minutes ago, Strike said:

Why does any of this matter?  We're talking policy.  And the stance or people such as myself and I believe Jerry although I don't want to speak for him, is that a biological male should not be playing on the biological female team, and safety is one of the reasons.  If Gary Coleman wants to try out for the volleyball team as a girl I still wouldn't want him on the team even though I'm about 100% certain he wouldn't pose a safety issue for the girls for what should be obvious reasons.  That wouldn't change my stance that he shouldn't be eligible to play on the team.  Given you can't disprove it I'm just gonna assume you ARE on the autism spectrum because despite what I think is a very logical argument you keep clinging to this one specific aspect of this issue. 

Oh, and can you post the athletic history of THIS particular player because it my recollection that he is new to this team this year.  I'd like to see his history of playing on other biologically female teams in the past since you are asserting he has been for at least 3 years.  TIA.

Again.  I agree she shouldn’t be playing on a women’s team.  But she has not posed any more of a safety issue than a typical player.  So I think it is grandstanding for people like the governor of Idaho to claim a team is forfeiting for “their own safety” when it’s really not, and may not have even been their choice.

This was her third season at SJSU after 1 at Coastal Carolina.

 https://sjsuspartans.com/sports/womens-volleyball/roster/player/blaire-fleming

[Strike 5,547]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Again.  I agree she shouldn’t be playing on a women’s team.  But she has not posed any more of a safety issue than a typical player.  So I think it is grandstanding for people like the governor of Idaho to claim a team is forfeiting for “their own safety” when it’s really not, and may not have even been their choice.

This was her third season at SJSU after 1 at Coastal Carolina.

 https://sjsuspartans.com/sports/womens-volleyball/roster/player/blaire-fleming

Ok let me go a little deeper.  And I doubt you will have this and I'm not trying to be difficult here.  Do you have any evidence that anyone on her team other than maybe the coaches KNEW she was a biological male?  Because my understanding is this ONLY became an issue this year and even one of the coaches got in to some trouble IIRC talking about it wrong and it seemed like even that coach was unaware until it became an issue.  So I suspect her actual sex was hidden from a LOT of people until it somehow got leaked.