California Does It Again

[Nomad99 744]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

And incidentally it’s a damn good idea to give drivers licenses to undocumented people. 

Given the topic.....this is such a ludicrous statement. I'll give you credit, when due, for making an argument for some of your stances & that you can, on occasion be more conservative than some....but then you go & make statements like above & reset the gameboard. Hint.....don't eat tacos & then extol the virtues of crapping your pants.

[jerryskids 6,799]

3 hours ago, purdygood said:

Please do and let us keep all our money. 

The success of California has roughly 0.0% to do with its Leftist policies or majority of people.  It has to do with the incredibly huge amount of natural resources, enormous coastline with numerous ports, and incredible weather.  Your state's ability to accrue massive debt while having nearly unlimited resources is quite impressive.

2 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

Of course I get your point and I was just going over the top when it comes to calling for violence. I thought that was clear when I mentioned "genocide" because no one in this country would advocate that. Not even a liberal.  

But honestly, the place is a mess on so many fronts. I live in Jersey and there are plenty of pockets of conservatives that are nice. And they are decent people. It's the rest of the state that make up the majority that focking votes in the idiots and makes this state the armpit of America. I'm just saying, California is a focking wreck. 

I thought you lived in Chicago?

 

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Giving them a license has no impact whatsoever on their status as an undocumented immigrant. If they commit a crime arrest them, punish them and deport them. I’m all for that. Licenses have nothing to do with it. 

Might it help them to vote illegally?

[The Real timschochet 6,770]

11 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

Might it help them to vote illegally?

They don’t care about voting. 

[The Real timschochet 6,770]

2 hours ago, Nomad99 said:

Given the topic.....this is such a ludicrous statement. I'll give you credit, when due, for making an argument for some of your stances & that you can, on occasion be more conservative than some....but then you go & make statements like above & reset the gameboard. Hint.....don't eat tacos & then extol the virtues of crapping your pants.

I gave you very good arguments as to why we should do this. The only rebuttal I received, as usual, was the obstinate and childish “we need to deport them all!” which is never going to happen. 
 

We can’t have this discussion unless you guys accept that most if not all undocumented immigrants are here to stay. 

[seafoam1 3,031]

22 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

The success of California has roughly 0.0% to do with its Leftist policies or majority of people.  It has to do with the incredibly huge amount of natural resources, enormous coastline with numerous ports, and incredible weather.  Your state's ability to accrue massive debt while having nearly unlimited resources is quite impressive.

I thought you lived in Chicago?

 

Might it help them to vote illegally?

I lived in a lot of states and Canada and have lived in Chicago and area for the largest time %. I grew up there. And mostly got started in life there. I have a shlt ton of family and friends there even at this time. That place is always in my multi yearly plans or (ad hoc plans) to go to visit. Has been all my life. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

I don’t want anyone to be injured or killed by an illegal driving.  But if it has to be someone, I wish it were Real Tim.  

[weepaws 3,194]

11 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I don’t want anyone to be injured or killed by an illegal driving.  But if it has to be someone, I wish it were Real Tim.  

Opps.  That’s not good.  

Matthew 12:36.  But I say unto you that every idle word that men shall speak , they shall give account thereof in the day of judgement.  Indeed 

Now you need to repent, ask God for forgiveness, and not go to that Catholic Church and talk to some Pedro priest, he’s already tasting the second death.  HTH. 

Amen Thanks 

[Maximum Overkill 1,997]

FREE NEEDLES BUT NO PLASTIC STRAWS. 

WTF California? 

[jerryskids 6,799]

11 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

They don’t care about voting. 

Wow, what a blanket statement. Not a single one of the 10s of millions of illegal aliens cares about voting?

Phew, that's a relief!

[The Real timschochet 6,770]

24 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Wow, what a blanket statement. Not a single one of the 10s of millions of illegal aliens cares about voting?

Phew, that's a relief!

A bit beneath you to try to win arguments this way, but OK I’ll rephrase: there are not enough undocumented immigrants who care about voting to ever impact the outcome of an election. 

[The Real timschochet 6,770]

10 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I don’t want anyone to be injured or killed by an illegal driving.  But if it has to be someone, I wish it were Real Tim.  

And here we go again. 

I have made a serious argument in this thread. You’re welcome to disagree with it (I’m quite sure most people here do.) But rather than try to rebut my points you personalize things and wish me ill will as you have done many times before. Your caveat is meaningless. 

[The Real timschochet 6,770]

Here are several more really good arguments as to why it is beneficial to our society to give drivers licenses to undocumented immigrants: 

https://www.cliniclegal.org/resources/state-and-local/why-states-should-grant-drivers-license-all-residents

 

[supermike80 1,913]

I generally never agree with Tim but i will here.  Id rather they get licenses than be driving around without them.  That being said im still 100% behind returning them to their home country if they are here illegally.   In time.  Anyone hoping that we will get em all out fast is deluding themselves.   This will take a lot of time

[squistion 2,203]

12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

And here we go again. 

I have made a serious argument in this thread. You’re welcome to disagree with it (I’m quite sure most people here do.) But rather than try to rebut my points you personalize things and wish me ill will as you have done many times before. Your caveat is meaningless. 

HT is a mean-spirited and hateful person, as he once again has demonstrated. 

[jerryskids 6,799]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

A bit beneath you to try to win arguments this way, but OK I’ll rephrase: there are not enough undocumented immigrants who care about voting to ever impact the outcome of an election. 

But this is what you do.  I've said before and I'll say it again -- when you assert an extreme, I know you are making stuff up.  For instance, what data supports the above assertion?

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Here are several more really good arguments as to why it is beneficial to our society to give drivers licenses to undocumented immigrants: 

https://www.cliniclegal.org/resources/state-and-local/why-states-should-grant-drivers-license-all-residents

 

Now this is interesting. 

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Issuing limited-purpose driver’s licenses and state IDs to undocumented immigrants is in line with federal law

The REAL ID Act is the federal law that establishes specific standards and procedures for states to issue driver’s licenses and ID cards to people who are unable to provide proof of lawful presence in the United States. [2] These documents may be used for limited activities, such as driving within the state, picking up prescriptions, or even opening a bank account in certain states. They cannot be used for official federal purposes, such as entering federal buildings, getting through airport security or voting. The Department of Homeland Security explained that the cards must clearly state they are not accepted for official purposes and must use a unique design to differentiate them from driver’s licenses and IDs granted to citizens and individuals with lawful presence in the U.S.[3]

As is this:

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The general requirements for undocumented immigrants to obtain driver’s licenses and IDs include proof of identity, such as a valid foreign passport; evidence of residency in the state, for example, a utility bill; and the application fee. Some states such as Delaware and Maryland require, in addition, proof of income tax filing in the state.

If states are truly following the REAL ID act and generating special IDs which follow the bolded, and if they follow the lead of Delaware and Maryland, then I am more in support of them receiving licenses.