Biden approves $500M Ukraine security package 11 days before Trump takes office

[jbycho 754]

What an ass. This is not what the American people voted for. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-approves-500m-ukraine-security-package-11-days-before-trump-takes-office

[HellToupee 1,776]

Meh the people burnt out in CA will get their $650 fema checks. Everything is just dandy

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

12 minutes ago, jbycho said:

What an ass. This is not what the American people voted for. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-approves-500m-ukraine-security-package-11-days-before-trump-takes-office

Last dime they will ever see.  Let Putin have it.  We are adding Panama, Canada and Greenland.  
 

Don’t play Risk with Father Trump is a lesson for everyone.  

[jbycho 754]

2 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Meh the people burnt out in CA will get their $650 fema checks. Everything is just dandy

Well, those fires are definitely Trumps fault. I mean, everyone knows that. 

[Mike Honcho 5,281]

14 minutes ago, jbycho said:

What an ass. This is not what the American people voted for. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-approves-500m-ukraine-security-package-11-days-before-trump-takes-office

Really, cause he was elected for a term that started on Jan 20, 2021 and ends on Jan 20, 2025, so yes, it was what they voted for.  

[jbycho 754]

Just now, Mike Honcho said:

Really, cause he was elected for a term that started on Jan 20, 2021 and ends on Jan 20, 2025, so yes, it was what they voted for.  

Sorry, the role of president is to listen to the people. And they have spoken. They said, everything the Democrats have been doing sucks. "Stop doing the same crap you have been doing. And get out of office."

[Mike Honcho 5,281]

1 minute ago, jbycho said:

Sorry, the role of president is to listen to the people. And they have spoken. They said, everything the Democrats have been doing sucks. "Stop doing the same crap you have been doing. And get out of office."

I'm sure that was the exact sentiment you had 4 years ago.  

[jbycho 754]

1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

I'm sure that was the exact sentiment you had 4 years ago.  

What you are pretend sure of is meaningless. 

[MDC 7,428]

26 minutes ago, jbycho said:

What an ass. This is not what the American people voted for. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-approves-500m-ukraine-security-package-11-days-before-trump-takes-office

They sort of did, when they elected Biden 4 years ago. And the Congressmen who’ve been approving the funding for the Ukraine war. That’s probably the most bipartisan legislation Joe passed in 4 years in office.

[Mike Honcho 5,281]

9 minutes ago, jbycho said:

What you are pretend sure of is meaningless. 

 

 

[jbycho 754]

3 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

 

It's a correct sentence. Learn to read. 'What' is not used as a question. 

Send yourself that shiit. 

[Mike Hunt 282]

Lame ducks from either party should not be able to make these types of decisions.   Put them on hold until the newly elected people can decide what to do.  That includes pardons.  If you are going to pardon someone do it while you are a sitting POTUS, not after you lost an election.

[zsasz 369]

1 hour ago, jbycho said:

What an ass. This is not what the American people voted for. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-approves-500m-ukraine-security-package-11-days-before-trump-takes-office

His right as the POTUS.  

[Mike Honcho 5,281]

53 minutes ago, jbycho said:

It's a correct sentence. Learn to read. 'What' is not used as a question. 

Send yourself that shiit. 

 

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The sentence "What you are pretend sure of is meaningless" is not grammatically correct. The word "pretend" is used incorrectly here. In this context, "pretend" should be used as an adjective or verb, but it doesn't fit with the phrase "are pretend sure of."

To make the sentence grammatically correct and clear, you could rephrase it in a couple of ways:

1. "What you pretend to be sure of is meaningless."
2. "What you are pretending to be sure of is meaningless."

 

 

[jbycho 754]

24 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

 

Wrong again by you. One is current state, one is what you do. It's part of you. It is you. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

That’s probably the most bipartisan legislation Joe passed in 4 years in office.

That's wonderful but we're pissing away money. I've said it a million times, they don't need money or missiles, they need bodies. They'll NEVER outlast Russia. 

As someone who trained with Ukraine Forces in 2017, trust me, they aren't the most skilled fighters on the planet. 

 

[jerryskids 6,799]

39 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

Lame ducks from either party should not be able to make these types of decisions.   Put them on hold until the newly elected people can decide what to do.  That includes pardons.  If you are going to pardon someone do it while you are a sitting POTUS, not after you lost an election.

I'm inclined to agree with this.  A lame-duck POTUS should not be able to do much other than prep for the new person.  Both sides do it; this isn't aimed at Biden specifically, definitely the pardons.  Although I don't recall Trump doing stuff like this Ukraine thing on his way out.

This is however a unique situation, because Biden isn't running anything.  Whoever is running the country clearly wants to make a statement with these moves.   

 

[MDC 7,428]

8 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

That's wonderful but we're pissing away money. I've said it a million times, they don't need money or missiles, they need bodies. They'll NEVER outlast Russia. 

As someone who trained with Ukraine Forces in 2017, trust me, they aren't the most skilled fighters on the planet. 

 

I think it’s a waste of $ too. But it’s what the people voted for and both parties have consistently supported it. Once Trump gets sworn in he can end it. That’s how it works.

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

I think it’s a waste of $ too. But it’s what the people voted for and both parties have consistently supported it. Once Trump gets sworn in he can end it. That’s how it works.

I'm not making a political thing. I'm just saying that whoever is President is making a terrible mistake by just fueling this war. 

It's sad and unfair but it's going to take Ukraine giving something up to end this War. I see no other outcome. Putin isn't just walking away empty handed. He somehow has to justify all the Russian lives lost.

[MDC 7,428]

9 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I'm not making a political thing. I'm just saying that whoever is President is making a terrible mistake by just fueling this war. 

Maybe. But that’s what the people voted for.

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Maybe. But that’s what the people voted for.

I didn't vote to send money to Ukraine 

[MDC 7,428]

1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I didn't vote to send money to Ukraine 

I didn’t vote for Trump. What’s your point?

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

Just now, MDC said:

I didn’t vote for Trump. What’s your point?

Trump never said he would cut off aid to Ukraine. Why do Liberals surmise that? 

[WhiteWonder 2,738]

37 minutes ago, MDC said:

I think it’s a waste of $ too. But it’s what the people voted for

No it’s not. Unless I missed the Ukraine platform Biden ran on which would have been very odd considering Putin waited until the weak were in office.

the people voted for Biden and all that comes with him… Yes. We know that. It’s still a lame fall back line to use when we all know people voted for him for entirely different reasons. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

These arms would have been handy in Panama.   

[MDC 7,428]

15 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

No it’s not. Unless I missed the Ukraine platform Biden ran on which would have been very odd considering Putin waited until the weak were in office.

the people voted for Biden and all that comes with him… Yes. We know that. It’s still a lame fall back line to use when we all know people voted for him for entirely different reasons. 

He’s POTUS for a few more days. I think you guys will make it.

[jerryskids 6,799]

7 minutes ago, MDC said:

He’s POTUS for a few more days. I think you guys will make it.

If he gives away a ton of money between now and then, it might leave a dent.  Should we not comment on it? 

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

22 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Putin waited until the weak were in office.

He absolutely did. Putin was stacking the border the day after Biden won. 

The Biden Crime Family saw the opportunity and swept in immediately. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

8 minutes ago, MDC said:

He’s POTUS for a few more days. I think you guys will make it.

So just go with it? Bend over and take it? 

That's exactly what Liberals have done and it's costing this Country dearly. Do you question anything Liberal? 

[MDC 7,428]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

If he gives away a ton of money between now and then, it might leave a dent.  Should we not comment on it? 

 

Go ahead and comment on it, whatever. You’d have had better luck complaining to the GOP congressmen who’ve been green lighting it for the past year.

[WhiteWonder 2,738]

28 minutes ago, MDC said:

He’s POTUS for a few more days. I think you guys will make it.

Yeah, that wasn't my point at all... but your response does indicate that you at least understand "but this IS what you voted for" is nothing more than a crutch excuse we like to give to our elected officials. 

[MDC 7,428]

Just now, WhiteWonder said:

Yeah, that wasn't my point at all... but your response does indicate that you at least understand "but this IS what you voted for" is nothing more than a crutch excuse we like to give to our elected officials. 

We have a new POTUS in less than 2 weeks. You can cry if you want to in the meantime.  

[WhiteWonder 2,738]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

We have a new POTUS in less than 2 weeks. You can cry if you want to in the meantime.  

 

unlike some, I don't cry over politics.   Doesn't mean I won't comment on things or have a discussion.  Deflect all you want. 

If Biden entered office in 2021 and immediately approved some sort of firearms bill allowing anyone to buy a gun with no background checks and people were saying "this isn't what we voted for" ... would your response be   "They sort of did, when they elected Biden"...   I highly doubt it. 

my entire presence in this thread was only to discuss that take. I havn't even said anything about $500M Ukraine

[MDC 7,428]

4 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

unlike some, I don't cry over politics.   Doesn't mean I won't comment on things or have a discussion.  Deflect all you want. 

If Biden entered office in 2021 and immediately approved some sort of firearms bill allowing anyone to buy a gun with no background checks and people were saying "this isn't what we voted for" ... would your response be   "They sort of did, when they elected Biden"...   I highly doubt it. 

my entire presence in this thread was only to discuss that take. I havn't even said anything about $500M Ukraine

Biden earned a full term. For most of that, a majority of Americans supported some kind of aid in Ukraine and several bills passed congress with overwhelming support. Arguing that he should stop carrying out his agenda because he leaves office in 2 weeks is sort of dumb. And I’m saying that as someone who doesn’t support the Ukraine war. Ending it might be the best thing Trump does.

[WhiteWonder 2,738]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

Biden earned a full term. For most of that, a majority of Americans supported some kind of aid in Ukraine and several bills passed congress with overwhelming support. Arguing that he should stop carrying out his agenda because he leaves office in 2 weeks is sort of dumb. And I’m saying that as someone who doesn’t support the Ukraine war. Ending it might be the best thing Trump does.

Right, but I am not making any argument that he should stop carrying out "his agenda".   All I did was state that using the overarching argument that "this IS what the American people voted for" is simplistic and lazy.  By that logic, a President can do whatever they want after they are in office and it can be defensed by the simple fact that they were voted POTUS 

The support for aid in Ukraine that you talk about happened after he was elected. Plus, congressional support for something does not always equal citizen support

Again I am not arguing for or against aid in Ukraine. I'll give my opinion on that below...  I was simply addressing the excuse that was given or statement that was made. 

 

 

As for aid in Ukraine, sending tons of money over there is not and has never been the best solution. I recall during Trumps debate with Harris where the moderators kept asking him if he wanted Ukraine to win the war and he kept responding he wanted the war to end. Obviously that's not the answer they wanted, they wanted him to specifically say he wanted Ukraine to WIN. It was obviously a trap question. ... but as far as I'm concerned, Ukraine wins when the war ends. Unfortunately they might have to make some concessions. This stuff happens all the time. At this point it is far better to make some concessions and end the war than to carry on with lives being lost. 

[MDC 7,428]

30 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Right, but I am not making any argument that he should stop carrying out "his agenda".   All I did was state that using the overarching argument that "this IS what the American people voted for" is simplistic and lazy.  By that logic, a President can do whatever they want after they are in office and it can be defensed by the simple fact that they were voted PUTOS. 

The support for aid in Ukraine that you talk about happened after he was elected. Plus, congressional support for something does not always equal citizen support

Again I am not arguing for or against aid in Ukraine. I'll give my opinion on that below...  I was simply addressing the excuse that was given or statement that was made. 

There was no Ukraine conflict before Biden was in office. For most of his term, a majority of Americans have supported backing Ukraine and funding bills overwhelmingly passed Congress. It’s not like this was a wildly unpopular policy he’s been ramrodding through.

Whatever. 

[Mike Hunt 282]

20 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I'm inclined to agree with this.  A lame-duck POTUS should not be able to do much other than prep for the new person.  Both sides do it; this isn't aimed at Biden specifically, definitely the pardons.  Although I don't recall Trump doing stuff like this Ukraine thing on his way out.

This is however a unique situation, because Biden isn't running anything.  Whoever is running the country clearly wants to make a statement with these moves.   

 

I agree and meant both sides.  I know Biden is not making any decisions on his own, but he has to sign off on them.