HellToupee 1,484 Posted February 6 Breaking now…. Imo Shellenberger is a great journalist in a time when there is very few https://x.com/shellenberger/status/1887282681609588759?s=61&t=oX9G006TUZ9alBtC5c4uMQ https://substack.com/@shellenberger/note/c-91389057 https://www.public.news/p/both-usaid-and-the-cia-were-behind Quote Both USAID And The CIA Were Behind The Impeachment Of Trump in 2019 A US government-controlled group did the research that linked Rudy Giuliani to former Ukrainian prosecutors MICHAEL SHELLENBERGER AND ALEX GUTENTAG FEB 05, 2025 ∙ PAID The House of Representatives impeached President Donald Trump on December 18, 2019, after a White House whistleblower went public with evidence that Trump abused his powers by withholding military aid to Ukraine in order to dig up dirt on his rival, Joe Biden. In the complaint, the whistleblower claimed to have heard from White House staff that Trump had, on a phone call, directed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to work with his personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, to investigate Joe Biden and Hunter Biden. The whistleblower who triggered the impeachment was a CIA analyst who was first brought into the White House by the Obama administration. Reporting by Drop Site News last year revealedthat the CIA analyst relied on reporting by a supposedly independent investigative news organization called the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP), which appears to have effectively operated as an arm of the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), which President Trump has just shut down. The CIA whistleblower complaint cited a long report by OCCRP four times. The OCCRP report alleged that two Soviet-born Florida businessmen were “key hidden actors behind a plan” by Trump to investigate the Bidens. According to the story, those two businessmen connected Giuliani to two former Ukrainian prosecutors. The OCCRP story was crucial to the House Democrats’ impeachment claim, which is that Trump dispatched Giuliani as part of a coordinated effort to pressure a foreign country to interfere in the 2020 presidential election, which is why the whistleblower cited it four times. In a 2024 documentary that German television broadcaster NDR made about OCCRP’s dependence on the US government, a USAID official confirmed that USAID approves OCCRP’s “annual work plan” and approves new hires of “key personnel.” NDR initiated and carried out the investigation with French investigative news organization Mediapart, Italian new group Il Fatto Quotidiano, Reporters United in Greece, and Drop Site News in the United States. However, according to a Mediapart story published the same day as the Drop Site News article, NDR censored the broadcast “after US journalist Drew Sullivan, the co-founder and head of the OCCRP, placed pressure on the NDR management and made false accusations against the broadcaster’s journalists involved in the project.” On December 16, Drop Site’s Ryan Grim posted a link on X to the 26-minute-long documentary. “NDR, Germany’s public broadcaster, is facing a censorship scandal and has defended itself by saying it never killed a news report about OCCRP and its State Department funding — b/c no report was ever produced to kill,” said Grim. “That was absurd — and dozens, maybe hundreds, of journalists knew it to be false, and now of course, someone has leaked it.” The journalistic collaboration revealed that OCCRP’s original funding came from the Bureau of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs of the State Department, and quotes a USAID official who says, “Drew’s just nervous about being linked with law enforcement,” referring to Sullivan. “If people who are going to give you information think you’re just a cop, maybe it’s a problem.” OCCRP does not operate like a normal investigative journalism organization in that its goals appear to include interfering in foreign political matters, including elections, aimed at regime change. Sullivan told NDRthat his organization had “probably been responsible for five or six countries changing over from one government to another government… and getting prime ministers indicted or thrown out.” As such, it appears that CIA, USAID, and OCCRP were all involved in the impeachment of President Trump in ways similar to the regime change operations that all three organizations engage in abroad. The difference is that it is highly illegal and even treasonous for CIA, USAID, and its contractors and intermediaries, known as “cut-outs,” to interfere in US politics this way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 6 Magas on tilt about USAID 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tree of Knowledge 1,642 Posted February 6 I think I am okay with people from USAID being executed for treason. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 1,106 Posted February 6 @RLLD would you consider this article to be propaganda? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 6 1 minute ago, Tree of Knowledge said: I think I am okay with people from USAID being executed for treason. Treason? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tree of Knowledge 1,642 Posted February 6 1 minute ago, TrailGuy said: Treason? How would you characterize USAID after these revelations? Are they the good guys? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Girlfriend 208 Posted February 6 First they threaten you. Then they create conspiracy theories about you. Then they hound you with an online mob to make sure you fall in line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 1,864 Posted February 6 5 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: Treason? Exactly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 6 4 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said: How would you characterize USAID after these revelations? Are they the good guys? Bullshite. The impeachment was supported by evidence corroborated by multiple sources. Had nothing to do with your new Boogeyman USAID And yes USAID are the good guys. They save thousands of lives every year. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, The Girlfriend said: First they threaten you. Then they create conspiracy theories about you. Then they hound you with an online mob to make sure you fall in line. This maga culture is sickening. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,484 Posted February 6 Rahm Emanuel agreed. “You don’t fight every fight. You don’t swing at every pitch. And my view is — while I care about the USAID as a former ambassador — that’s not the hill I’m going to die on,” he said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,715 Posted February 6 The name is Bondi. Pam Bondi. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,484 Posted February 6 6 minutes ago, The Girlfriend said: First they threaten you. Then they create conspiracy theories about you. Then they hound you with an online mob to make sure you fall in line. Evidence is laid out right in front of you . As Jon would say you are just a bootlicker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,484 Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: The name is Bondi. Pam Bondi. Epstein client list on tap https://x.com/dineshdsouza/status/1887164256623194400?s=61&t=oX9G006TUZ9alBtC5c4uMQ BREAKING: newly confirmed US Attorney General Pam Bondi is calling for the Epstein client list to be released to the public! This is what Americans want! Expose the evil! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,715 Posted February 6 1 minute ago, HellToupee said: Epstein client list on tap https://x.com/dineshdsouza/status/1887164256623194400?s=61&t=oX9G006TUZ9alBtC5c4uMQ BREAKING: newly confirmed US Attorney General Pam Bondi is calling for the Epstein client list to be released to the public! This is what Americans want! Expose the evil! I hope she’s thinking what I’m thinking. Take down these rotten bastards all over the place and she can be the first woman president. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 6 5 minutes ago, HellToupee said: Epstein client list on tap https://x.com/dineshdsouza/status/1887164256623194400?s=61&t=oX9G006TUZ9alBtC5c4uMQ BREAKING: newly confirmed US Attorney General Pam Bondi is calling for the Epstein client list to be released to the public! This is what Americans want! Expose the evil! Never happen. Trump's on the list. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Girlfriend 208 Posted February 6 18 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: This maga culture is sickening. It’s a take on the Roy Cohn playbook. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Girlfriend 208 Posted February 6 4 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: Never happen. Trump's on the list. I’m sure they’ll take his name off first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 6 9 minutes ago, The Girlfriend said: It’s a take on the Roy Cohn playbook. Never admit you're wrong and never say you're sorry 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Girlfriend 208 Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: Never admit you're wrong and never say you're sorry Number one: attack, attack, attack. Number two: admit nothing and deny everything. And rule number three: no matter what happens, you claim victory and never admit defeat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 1,864 Posted February 6 19 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: Never happen. Trump's on the list. Exactly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,442 Posted February 6 1 minute ago, The Girlfriend said: Number one: attack, attack, attack. Number two: admit nothing and deny everything. And rule number three: no matter what happens, you claim victory and never admit defeat. With every post, you increasingly convince me that you aren't a blue-haired Leftie sky screamer. Defending USAID? They serve a purpose, in a Colonel Jessup sorta way. But there is a lot of bad stuff going on there. But Trump! Musk! Young engineers! Whatever else my Leftie cult masters tell me! 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaptainObvious1 260 Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, The Girlfriend said: Number one: attack, attack, attack. Number two: admit nothing and deny everything. And rule number three: no matter what happens, you claim victory and never admit defeat. Great description of TrailGhey and Squistion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, jerryskids said: With every post, you increasingly convince me that you aren't a blue-haired Leftie sky screamer. Defending USAID? They serve a purpose, in a Colonel Jessup sorta way. But there is a lot of bad stuff going on there. But Trump! Musk! Young engineers! Whatever else my Leftie cult masters tell me! I still haven't seen any bad stuff about USAID Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,442 Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, CaptainObvious1 said: Great description of TrailGhey and Squistion Careful, TrollGuy might drop 25 laugh emojis on you! I'm triggered by it like I said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,442 Posted February 6 Just now, TrailGuy said: I still haven't seen any bad stuff about USAID Congrats, you have the internet knowledge of 1985. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 6 Just now, jerryskids said: Congrats, you have the internet knowledge of 1985. I've seen the fake BS but nothing real or bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Girlfriend 208 Posted February 6 1 minute ago, TrailGuy said: I've seen the fake BS but nothing real or bad. I think he’s drunk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 6 Just now, The Girlfriend said: I think he’s drunk. I think he's just stupid and gullible Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Girlfriend 208 Posted February 6 1 minute ago, TrailGuy said: I think he's just stupid and gullible Isn’t he the guy who always bragged about his smarts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,442 Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: I've seen the fake BS but nothing real or bad. I can't help you and Girl fix stupid. To quote him, I think this is where I'll sit back and wait for the "I told you so" moment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 6 7 minutes ago, jerryskids said: I can't help you and Girl fix stupid. To quote him, I think this is where I'll sit back and wait for the "I told you so" moment. Well I already destroyed the USAID paying Chelsea Clinton's story, and the impeachment story is just beyond dumb. What did I miss? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 6 The irony is the guy busting USAID trying to save a few million has received $15B in govt grants the past few years and in trying to save a few million he has STOLEN a trillion dollars worth of data. And none of you care. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,033 Posted February 6 I’m trying to recall ever hearing the phrase “USAID” mentioned prior to the last 72 hours, in the media, on this discussion board, anywhere. I’m failing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,033 Posted February 6 However the pattern here is as old as dirt: there is a government agency that liberals like and conservatives don’t. As with any and all government programs (I would argue without exception) there is both some waste and fraud. Conservatives focus on the waste and fraud and use that as an argument to get rid of the agency. It’s almost never a good argument because it ignores the good things the agency does. In this case for example I am told that, under George W Bush and Obama and even Trump, USAID tackled several deadly diseases in Africa, including AIDs and Ebola, and helped to save millions of lives. I kind of consider that to be of value, myself. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Girlfriend 208 Posted February 6 4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: I’m trying to recall ever hearing the phrase “USAID” mentioned prior to the last 72 hours, in the media, on this discussion board, anywhere. I’m failing. Because you haven’t. It’s a new boogie man for the weak minded to be afraid of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,033 Posted February 6 55 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: The irony is the guy busting USAID trying to save a few million has received $15B in govt grants the past few years and in trying to save a few million he has STOLEN a trillion dollars worth of data. And none of you care. @RLLD’s argument in particular, in regard to what you’re saying here, appears to be the end justifies the means. Which really surprises me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tree of Knowledge 1,642 Posted February 6 7 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: I’m trying to recall ever hearing the phrase “USAID” mentioned prior to the last 72 hours, in the media, on this discussion board, anywhere. I’m failing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 552 Posted February 6 Geek club 2024: we must put an end to unelected bureaucrats who subvert the constitution for their own political and financial gains Geek club 2025: we're so happy that Musk, an unelected bureaucrat who is subverting the constitution for his own political and financial gains Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,807 Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: Geek club 2024: we must put an end to unelected bureaucrats who subvert the constitution for their own political and financial gains Geek club 2025: we're so happy that Musk, an unelected bureaucrat who is subverting the constitution for his own political and financial gains Take a breather broyo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites