RLLD 4,201 Posted February 19 6 minutes ago, Strike said: Let's not forget that Biden announced that he would be OK with a "minor incursion" by Russia in to Ukraine. He basically invited Putin in. Oh well, I am not even pointing to that yet. Biden was a complete focking disaster at every turn. His failures in diplomacy were beyond ruinous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Psychic Observer 498 Posted February 19 Just now, RLLD said: I am an American, and when the President focks up I have every right to call him out on it. That's fine but you're blaming the invasion by Putin on your own president. Everyone knows that it was Putin that invaded Ukraine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HB Localboy 122 Posted February 19 On 2/17/2025 at 10:08 AM, The Real timschochet said: Nothing’s happened yet. Whatever deal Trump tries to make with Putin will have to be agreed to by Ukraine and the surrounding countries. This is what you do.... You tell Ukraine to accept the deal or they aren't getting one more penny, one more bullet, one more rocket, one more blanket... Accept the deal or you are on your own against Russia! In other words, we don't ask Ukraine to accept the deal....WE TELL THEM TO ACCEPT THE DEAL! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,201 Posted February 19 3 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said: That's fine but you're blaming the invasion by Putin on your own president. Everyone knows that it was Putin that invaded Ukraine. I am blaming Biden, absolutely. And....if roles were reversed, and Putin was courting Mexico into their fold....we would have every right to take action to impede that as well.....not unlike we did with Cuba. It was a stupid....stupid...mistake.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Psychic Observer 498 Posted February 19 6 minutes ago, RLLD said: I am blaming Biden, absolutely. And....if roles were reversed, and Putin was courting Mexico into their fold....we would have every right to take action to impede that as well.....not unlike we did with Cuba. It was a stupid....stupid...mistake.... If Russia said that they would defend Mexico if invaded then you would support America invading Mexico? This just sounds so strange to me. I feel like you're pulling my leg here. Do all Americans think like this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,909 Posted February 19 Supporting Ukraine is supporting Pedo Nazis 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,735 Posted February 19 5 hours ago, TrailGuy said: You can stop with the weak sissy liberal stuff now. You got your strong many maga in office now, and he's appeasing the enemy, siding with Russia, condoning imperialism, ignoring war crimes and giving the finger to our allies. Your big strong leader did that. Own it. Bless your heart. Russia will never give up without Crimea and Donbas. Trump is stroking Putin's ego that it is a win for him. He's also giving Zelensky a reality check and an out, where he can go to his people and blame the big bad US. Low intelligence folks will follow their MSDNC masters in vilifying Trump, as usual. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,909 Posted February 19 Pedo Nazis was the name of my College Band Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 554 Posted February 19 1 minute ago, jerryskids said: Bless your heart. Russia will never give up without Crimea and Donbas. Trump is stroking Putin's ego that it is a win for him. He's also giving Zelensky a reality check and an out, where he can go to his people and blame the big bad US. Low intelligence folks will follow their MSDNC masters in vilifying Trump, as usual. Trump is playing dumb and looking like Putins puppet so zelensky can save face? That has to be the dumbest take I've heard on this yet. Congrats Jerry. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,909 Posted February 19 3 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: Trump is playing dumb and looking like Putins puppet so zelensky can save face? That has to be the dumbest take I've heard on this yet. Congrats Jerry. Your Master at MSNBC says "Russia bad, Ukraine good". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,735 Posted February 19 4 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: Trump is playing dumb and looking like Putins puppet so zelensky can save face? That has to be the dumbest take I've heard on this yet. Congrats Jerry. He's enabling the obvious end. You are too dumb to see it, tho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,201 Posted February 19 15 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said: If Russia said that they would defend Mexico if invaded then you would support America invading Mexico? This just sounds so strange to me. I feel like you're pulling my leg here. Do all Americans think like this? That is an incorrect anecdotal. So you can stop right there. We should NEVER threaten Russia by courting their neighbors, ever. That is just idiotic, and that is what Biden did. Now, you can protest that Russia is what it is....that Putin is who he is.....and sacrifice the lives of others to hold that view. I will not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Psychic Observer 498 Posted February 19 1 minute ago, RLLD said: That is an incorrect anecdotal. So you can stop right there. We should NEVER threaten Russia by courting their neighbors, ever. That is just idiotic, and that is what Biden did. Now, you can protest that Russia is what it is....that Putin is who he is.....and sacrifice the lives of others to hold that view. I will not. NATO is not the bad guy in this situation. NATO is the good guy. NATO did not threaten anyone. NATO keeps the peace. NATO has never invaded another country. Never started a war. Russia has on multiple occasions. Russia is the aggressor. This is simple history. Your blame is wildly misplaced and now I'm convinced you are just pulling my leg. Disengage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,662 Posted February 19 35 minutes ago, RLLD said: I am an American, and when the President focks up I have every right to call him out on it. Biden made plenty of mistakes as President. So has Trump. Zelenskyy has as well. But the invasion of Ukraine was a great crime involving the murder of thousands of innocent men, women and children. The man responsible for that crime, its architect, is Vladimir Putin. Putting the blame on Biden or Trump or Zelenskyy is wrong as misguided because none of those three wanted this crime to happen. Putin did. Putin is an evil man, and he is responsible for these terrible events. I think it’s important to have moral clarity. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,909 Posted February 19 17 minutes ago, jerryskids said: He's enabling the obvious end. You are too dumb to see it, tho. @TrailGuy BOYO watches too much Macho Raddow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,201 Posted February 19 1 hour ago, The Psychic Observer said: NATO is not the bad guy in this situation. NATO is the good guy. NATO did not threaten anyone. NATO keeps the peace. NATO has never invaded another country. Never started a war. Russia has on multiple occasions. Russia is the aggressor. This is simple history. Your blame is wildly misplaced and now I'm convinced you are just pulling my leg. Disengage. NATO is irrelevant. Biden on the other had was an idiot. Not if you want to insist that NATO can court whomever it likes, and other people can die for that thought....that is on you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,201 Posted February 19 1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said: Biden made plenty of mistakes as President. So has Trump. Zelenskyy has as well. But the invasion of Ukraine was a great crime involving the murder of thousands of innocent men, women and children. The man responsible for that crime, its architect, is Vladimir Putin. Putting the blame on Biden or Trump or Zelenskyy is wrong as misguided because none of those three wanted this crime to happen. Putin did. Putin is an evil man, and he is responsible for these terrible events. I think it’s important to have moral clarity. Of course it was a crime, and completely predictable. Completely avoidable. Biden made many mistakes, this one is in the top three. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 554 Posted February 19 Think of it, a modestly successful comedian, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, talked the United States of America into spending $350 Billion Dollars, to go into a War that couldn’t be won, that never had to start, but a War that he, without the U.S. and “TRUMP,” will never be able to settle. The United States has spent $200 Billion Dollars more than Europe, and Europe’s money is guaranteed, while the United States will get nothing back. Why didn’t Sleepy Joe Biden demand Equalization, in that this War is far more important to Europe than it is to us — We have a big, beautiful Ocean as separation. On top of this, Zelenskyy admits that half of the money we sent him is “MISSING.” He refuses to have Elections, is very low in Ukrainian Polls, and the only thing he was good at was playing Biden “like a fiddle.” A Dictator without Elections, Zelenskyy better move fast or he is not going to have a Country left. In the meantime, we are successfully negotiating an end to the War with Russia, something all admit only “TRUMP,” and the Trump Administration, can do. Biden never tried, Europe has failed to bring Peace, and Zelenskyy probably wants to keep the “gravy train” going. I love Ukraine, but Zelenskyy has done a terrible job, his Country is shattered, and MILLIONS have unnecessarily died – And so it continues….. - Donald Trump Truth Social Looks like we're fully aligned with Putin now. Told you so... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,909 Posted February 19 1 minute ago, TrailGuy said: Looks like we're fully aligned with Putin now. Lesser of the two evils Keep ball licking Zelensky, he's a scumbag!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 554 Posted February 19 4 minutes ago, League Champion said: Lesser of the two evils Keep ball licking Zelensky, he's a scumbag!!! You're a scumbag and a traitor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,909 Posted February 19 16 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: You're a scumbag and a traitor. You're a Zelensky Ball Licker, say it. Zelensky stole the money, his wife has a 3 million dollar Bugatti. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 554 Posted February 19 6 minutes ago, League Champion said: You're a Zelensky Ball Licker, say it. Zelensky stole the money, his wife has a 3 million dollar Bugatti. More lies. You're a traitor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,198 Posted February 19 4 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: More lies. You're a traitor. He's a Russian bot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,723 Posted February 19 8 hours ago, TrailGuy said: You can stop with the weak sissy liberal stuff now. You got your strong many maga in office now, and he's appeasing the enemy, siding with Russia, condoning imperialism, ignoring war crimes and giving the finger to our allies. Your big strong leader did that. Own it. Putin invaded Ukraine once Biden took office. Never in the 4 years of Trumps first presidency.. Why? The war needs to end. Part of that needs to be putting aside the words enemy and allies. Lets be honest, how strong of an ally is Ukraine? How strong of an ally will they be if we continue to fund them in a war they can't win? What was the upside of the Biden plan of prolonging a war Ukraine won't win? Why is the TDS crowd so against the idea of simply doing what needs to be done to end the war? At this point the only win for Ukraine will be when the war ends. ... like honestly who cares if Putin gets his ego stroked? Who cares if we have to do a little appeasing of the enemy if the result is ending the war and saving lives? Liberals had no problem appeasing the enemy when we traded the merchant of death for Brittney Griner Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 554 Posted February 19 7 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said: Putin invaded Ukraine once Biden took office. Never in the 4 years of Trumps first presidency.. Why? The war needs to end. Part of that needs to be putting aside the words enemy and allies. Lets be honest, how strong of an ally is Ukraine? How strong of an ally will they be if we continue to fund them in a war they can't win? What was the upside of the Biden plan of prolonging a war Ukraine won't win? Why is the TDS crowd so against the idea of simply doing what needs to be done to end the war? At this point the only win for Ukraine will be when the war ends. ... like honestly who cares if Putin gets his ego stroked? Who cares if we have to do a little appeasing of the enemy if the result is ending the war and saving lives? Liberals had no problem appeasing the enemy when we traded the merchant of death for Brittney Griner Putin thought he could get Ukraine without going to war with Trump. Without covid he was probably right given how Trump is giving him Ukraine now. The United States has a long history of supporting its allies no matter how strong or weak they are. This is not a transaction this is diplomacy. The upside of beating Russia in Ukraine is to end Russian aggression against the west. What needs to be done to end the war is Russia needs to leave Ukraine. If they refuse then fight on. Or Russia and Ukraine agree on a ceasefire. This is not hard. I'm sorry but I don't agree with stroking the ego or appeasing the guy that caused all this and ended so many lives. In the end morals matter. Trump and Putin have none. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,909 Posted February 19 29 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: More lies. You're a traitor. How do Zelensky's balls taste? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,723 Posted February 19 2 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: Putin thought he could get Ukraine without going to war with Trump. Without covid he was probably right given how Trump is giving him Ukraine now. The United States has a long history of supporting its allies no matter how strong or weak they are. This is not a transaction this is diplomacy. The upside of beating Russia in Ukraine is to end Russian aggression against the west. What needs to be done to end the war is Russia needs to leave Ukraine. If they refuse then fight on. Or Russia and Ukraine agree on a ceasefire. This is not hard. I'm sorry but I don't agree with stroking the ego or appeasing the guy that caused all this and ended so many lives. In the end morals matter. Trump and Putin have none. First sentence makes no sense The US should support all allies, I agree. However in THIS case, the best thing we can do to support Ukraine is to figure out a way to END the war. You're right, it is diplomacy. Dipomacy often calls for negotiation. Something the Biden was unwilling to do and instead felt it was more appropriate to waste our money funding Ukraine in a war it can never win without the US completely stepping in from a military perspective. Beating Russia in Ukraine would be a great upside. It's not going to happen and the downside that Ukrainians continue to get demolished is more realistic... unless, again, the US get much more heavily militarily involved. Biden wasn't willing to do that either. If they refuse, then fight on? So I guess you also support funding a war Ukraine can't win for as long as possible . How do you think you get Russia and Ukraine to agree on a ceasefire when your president wasn't willing to speak to Putin? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 554 Posted February 19 1 hour ago, TrailGuy said: Think of it, a modestly successful comedian, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, talked the United States of America into spending $350 Billion Dollars, to go into a War that couldn’t be won, that never had to start, but a War that he, without the U.S. and “TRUMP,” will never be able to settle. The United States has spent $200 Billion Dollars more than Europe, and Europe’s money is guaranteed, while the United States will get nothing back. Why didn’t Sleepy Joe Biden demand Equalization, in that this War is far more important to Europe than it is to us — We have a big, beautiful Ocean as separation. On top of this, Zelenskyy admits that half of the money we sent him is “MISSING.” He refuses to have Elections, is very low in Ukrainian Polls, and the only thing he was good at was playing Biden “like a fiddle.” A Dictator without Elections, Zelenskyy better move fast or he is not going to have a Country left. In the meantime, we are successfully negotiating an end to the War with Russia, something all admit only “TRUMP,” and the Trump Administration, can do. Biden never tried, Europe has failed to bring Peace, and Zelenskyy probably wants to keep the “gravy train” going. I love Ukraine, but Zelenskyy has done a terrible job, his Country is shattered, and MILLIONS have unnecessarily died – And so it continues….. - Donald Trump Truth Social Looks like we're fully aligned with Putin now. Told you so... The facts. Zelenskyy’s approval rating is 57% Russia launched a full scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022, at 4.00 a.m. — committing a crime of aggression Total Military & Non-Military Assistance from US to Ukraine: $118 billion Total Military & Non-Military Assistance from the EU to Ukraine: $151 billion Zelenskyy is the democratically elected President of Ukraine Ukrainian constitution does not allow to hold national elections while martial law is in effect. Trump is repeating what Putin told him to say. It's vile. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,909 Posted February 19 1 minute ago, TrailGuy said: Trump is repeating what Putin told him to say. It's vile. BOYO, you're dumb. Trump baits people in by putting them over. He's done it a million times and he's doing with Putin to get the deal he wants. Trump is NY Mafioso, he knows how to work. You gotta lot of learning to do Son. Keep your allies close and your enemies closer! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 554 Posted February 19 3 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said: First sentence makes no sense The US should support all allies, I agree. However in THIS case, the best thing we can do to support Ukraine is to figure out a way to END the war. You're right, it is diplomacy. Dipomacy often calls for negotiation. Something the Biden was unwilling to do and instead felt it was more appropriate to waste our money funding Ukraine in a war it can never win without the US completely stepping in from a military perspective. Beating Russia in Ukraine would be a great upside. It's not going to happen and the downside that Ukrainians continue to get demolished is more realistic... unless, again, the US get much more heavily militarily involved. Biden wasn't willing to do that either. If they refuse, then fight on? So I guess you also support funding a war Ukraine can't win for as long as possible . How do you think you get Russia and Ukraine to agree on a ceasefire when your president wasn't willing to speak to Putin? Typo, Putin was waiting for the US to abandon NATO. Something that was and is likely during a second Trump term. A Ukraine invasion without NATO would have likely been an easy victory. Since trump lost in 2020, Putin lost his chance. Maybe he thought Biden would have a weak response like Obama and decided to give it a shot. It's really up to Ukraine to decide what is best for them, not us. What's in it for us anyway? I know Trump is trying to get their rare earth minerals but if he truly just doesn't want to spend the money then he just walks away. Biden took a harder stance with Putin than Trump. That much is clear. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,723 Posted February 19 1 minute ago, TrailGuy said: Typo, Putin was waiting for the US to abandon NATO. Something that was and is likely during a second Trump term. A Ukraine invasion without NATO would have likely been an easy victory. Since trump lost in 2020, Putin lost his chance. Maybe he thought Biden would have a weak response like Obama and decided to give it a shot. It's really up to Ukraine to decide what is best for them, not us. What's in it for us anyway? I know Trump is trying to get their rare earth minerals but if he truly just doesn't want to spend the money then he just walks away. Biden took a harder stance with Putin than Trump. That much is clear. Biden took a harder stance which was also the dumber stance. First of all, Putin definitely invaded under Biden because he expected a weak response, that much we can agree on... And that is exactly what he got. Perhaps he expected an even weaker one with zero pushback? .. still, the Biden plan of no communication with Russia and constant aid to a country that has no chance to win, is not a very strong response. Russia is not losing that war unless the US fully steps in and says "okay Ukraine, we will go to war with Russia for you". If you think it's up to Ukraine to decide what is best for them, not us, then why do you support all the $$ we sent them under Biden? Now you're saying "what's in it for us anyway?" when a post or two ago you were banging the diplomacy, helping all allies big and small drum. The best outcome, even if concessions have to be made, is for the war to be over. Prolonging it by aiding Ukraine just enough to keep it going only increases the loss of life. Concessions in war happen all the time. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 554 Posted February 19 6 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said: Biden took a harder stance which was also the dumber stance. First of all, Putin definitely invaded under Biden because he expected a weak response, that much we can agree on... And that is exactly what he got. Perhaps he expected an even weaker one with zero pushback? .. still, the Biden plan of no communication with Russia and constant aid to a country that has no chance to win, is not a very strong response. Russia is not losing that war unless the US fully steps in and says "okay Ukraine, we will go to war with Russia for you". If you think it's up to Ukraine to decide what is best for them, not us, then why do you support all the $$ we sent them under Biden? Now you're saying "what's in it for us anyway?" when a post or two ago you were banging the diplomacy, helping all allies big and small drum. The best outcome, even if concessions have to be made, is for the war to be over. Prolonging it by aiding Ukraine just enough to keep it going only increases the loss of life. Concessions in war happen all the time. Disagree on the Biden stance being "dumber". Biden stance was strong, Trump stance is weak. Maybe the correct answer would have been a middle ground. Our response to the invasion was strong. We organized a NATO coalition to provide hundreds of billions of dollars in military aid which stopped the Russian invasion. We sanctioned the crap out of Russia to the point where they might not have much solvency left as a country. I believe that is why Trump is pushing so hard for Zelensky to surrender now, because Putin has told him to do it quick and lift the sanctions or Russia could collapse. It's pretty fundamental to think that the country getting invaded gets to decide if they accept a ceasefire or not. To date their stance has been to leave. That might not change. Likely what happens now is Putin gets to keep all the territory they currently own plus likely more. He wants Kiev badly. Ceasefire. Sanctions are lifted. NATO guarantees not to accept Ukraine. Minimal peacekeeping force. 6 months later US withdraws from NATO. 6 months after that, Russia finishes the job and takes the rest of Ukraine uniting it with Russia. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,909 Posted February 19 1 minute ago, TrailGuy said: Our response to the invasion was strong. We organized a NATO coalition to provide hundreds of billions of dollars in military aid which stopped the Russian invasion. Boots on the ground? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 554 Posted February 19 2 minutes ago, League Champion said: Boots on the ground? I love you boyo but you're unhinged posting today. You're going on ignore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Hunt 275 Posted February 19 33 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: Putin thought he could get Ukraine without going to war with Trump. Without covid he was probably right given how Trump is giving him Ukraine now. The United States has a long history of supporting its allies no matter how strong or weak they are. This is not a transaction this is diplomacy. The upside of beating Russia in Ukraine is to end Russian aggression against the west. What needs to be done to end the war is Russia needs to leave Ukraine. If they refuse then fight on. Or Russia and Ukraine agree on a ceasefire. This is not hard. I'm sorry but I don't agree with stroking the ego or appeasing the guy that caused all this and ended so many lives. In the end morals matter. Trump and Putin have none. Obama rolled over and let Putin annex parts of Ukraine uncontested in 2014. Putin then took advantage of Biden being in office and that is where we are at now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,909 Posted February 19 3 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: Disagree on the Biden stance being "dumber". Biden stance was strong, Trump stance is weak. Maybe the correct answer would have been a middle ground. Our response to the invasion was strong. We organized a NATO coalition to provide hundreds of billions of dollars in military aid which stopped the Russian invasion. We sanctioned the crap out of Russia to the point where they might not have much solvency left as a country. I believe that is why Trump is pushing so hard for Zelensky to surrender now, because Putin has told him to do it quick and lift the sanctions or Russia could collapse. It's pretty fundamental to think that the country getting invaded gets to decide if they accept a ceasefire or not. To date their stance has been to leave. That might not change. Likely what happens now is Putin gets to keep all the territory they currently own plus likely more. He wants Kiev badly. Ceasefire. Sanctions are lifted. NATO guarantees not to accept Ukraine. Minimal peacekeeping force. 6 months later US withdraws from NATO. 6 months after that, Russia finishes the job and takes the rest of Ukraine uniting it with Russia. @TrailGuy BOYO, how do we recoup all the money we already invested into Ukraine?? Who's flipping the tab? We get the minerals Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 554 Posted February 19 2 minutes ago, League Champion said: @TrailGuy BOYO, how do we recoup all the money we already invested into Ukraine?? Who's flipping the tab? We get the minerals Russia should pay for starting the war. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,909 Posted February 19 Just now, TrailGuy said: Russia should pay for starting the war. Well they're not and Ukraine isn't winning without a Pro Russian deal or US boots on the ground. Guess which one it's gonna be? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,239 Posted February 19 Watching the democrats get on their knees and passionately blow Zelensky is one of the most disturbing things I have seen. It's almost stretching into the realm of literal. I feel like we could see a democrat offer to do it on TV just to prove how committed he is to Ukraine. Watch, Trump made these moves in order to get people to fully commit to Zelensky. He's going to drop a bombshell that will have all of Zelenskys followers looking like treasonous pigs ready to be walked to the gallows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 554 Posted February 19 4 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said: Watching the democrats get on their knees and passionately blow Zelensky is one of the most disturbing things I have seen. It's almost stretching into the realm of literal. I feel like we could see a democrat offer to do it on TV just to prove how committed he is to Ukraine. Watch, Trump made these moves in order to get people to fully commit to Zelensky. He's going to drop a bombshell that will have all of Zelenskys followers looking like treasonous pigs ready to be walked to the gallows. seek mental help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
