Thanks to illegal alien dbags we all pay more for insurance

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

312 - 226

 

So now you’re using the Seafoam argument? 
 

You’re right of course. I have reason and decency and American ideals on my side; you’ve got the votes and the power on yours. I lose. 

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

So now you’re using the Seafoam argument? 
 

You’re right of course. I have reason and decency and American ideals on my side; you’ve got the votes and the power on yours. I lose. 

No you don't.  You never had those and this is the problem with liberals like you:  You think you're on the moral high ground.  You're not.  Not even close.

America voted to bring those back - you and your side eradicated them with your extremist views.

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Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

No you don't.  You never had those and this is the problem with liberals like you:  You think you're on the moral high ground.  You're not.  Not even close.

America voted to bring those back - you and your side eradicated them with your extremist views.

OK you’re wrong. But the majority agrees with you 

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25 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

You lost. I won. Trump 2024 and beyond. 

This is really helping our discussion.   

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1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

This is really helping our discussion.   

For about half the folks here it’s all they got. I give you credit for at least making real arguments (even if they’re totally wrong lol)

[jerryskids 6,799]

20 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I mentioned the three countries in history that have allowed this. The United States allowed migrants to cross borders all the time through our history and has regularly given amnesty to those who do. 

Australia was originally a British colony mostly occupied by by criminals transported from England or criminals escaping to Australia. 

The original modern Jewish population of Israel was made up almost entirely of what you would call illegal immigrants. In fact the full name of the Mossad is Mossad Aaliyah Bet which means, literally: “Organization for Illegal Immigration”. 

Categorically false.  The United States for most of its history allowed a controlled number of WASPs from Western Europe.

We have discussed this numerous times, with supporting links, yet you continue to throw this lie out there.  It makes it difficult to have a serious discussion with you on this topic.

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

OK you’re wrong. But the majority agrees with you 

Well, no, I'm right.  That is not debatable.  You're wrong and always have been.  You and your side have been on the wrong side of history throughout this country's existence.  From slavery, to Jim Crowe, to the KKK, to supporting Hamas to the Tranny Flat Earth pseudo-science.

You should just embrace it instead of trying to rewrite history and pretending things aren't what they really are.

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1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Categorically false.  The United States for most of its history allowed a controlled number of WASPs from Western Europe.

We have discussed this numerous times, with supporting links, yet you continue to throw this lie out there.  It makes it difficult to have a serious discussion with you on this topic.

It's the same as his Vast Majority of Scientists™ fallacy with the Tranny Flat Earth pseudo-science.

Tim has a hard time grasping reality and it doesn't even cross his radar that he might be wrong.  Like all liberals, they think they're morally superior and that just isn't the case.  History proves that.

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Just now, jerryskids said:

Categorically false.  The United States for most of its history allowed a controlled number of WASPs from Western Europe.

We have discussed this numerous times, with supporting links, yet you continue to throw this lie out there.  It makes it difficult to have a serious discussion with you on this topic.

Not a lie. Please study the history of our border and relations with Mexico all through the 19th century and early 20th century. We didn’t even attempt to control our southern border until the mid 1920s. For most of our history it was pretty much wide open. Even after the 1920s we have never seriously trued to control the southern border. We’re not seriously trying to do it now. 

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2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Well, no, I'm right.  That is not debatable.  You're wrong and always have been.  You and your side have been on the wrong side of history throughout this country's existence.  From slavery, to Jim Crowe, to the KKK, to supporting Hamas to the Tranny Flat Earth pseudo-science.

You should just embrace it instead of trying to rewrite history and pretending things aren't what they really are.

Thats not debatable! 

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8 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

No you don't.  You never had those and this is the problem with liberals like you:  You think you're on the moral high ground.  You're not.  Not even close.

America voted to bring those back - you and your side eradicated them with your extremist views.

Pow!  

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But we all pay less for oranges.  

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Thats not debatable! 

Glad we could finally agree on something!  Welcome back to reality for however brief it is for you! 

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Imagine going back over 100 years to make a point?  When the border was patrolled by a few men on horses and millions weren’t trying to get in? And half this country didn’t attend school past the 8th grade? Real Tim is the kind of guy you tune out IRL when he starts spouting irrelevant garbage but thinks he’s making a point.  

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2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Imagine going back over 100 years to make a point?  When the border was patrolled by a few men on horses and millions weren’t trying to get in? And half this country didn’t attend school past the 8th grade? Real Tim is the kind of guy you tune out IRL when he starts spouting irrelevant garbage but thinks he’s making a point.  

I was answering a direct question put to me about what countries in history welcomed undocumented immigrants and how it worked out for them. It worked out well, it continues to do so for us. 

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18 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

For about half the folks here it’s all they got. I give you credit for at least making real arguments (even if they’re totally wrong lol)

Your "discussion" is nothing other than you repeating and repeating and repeating your idiotic social and political stances. 

You lost. That's what you do. You go lay down or something. Go for a walk and seek some help. 

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13 minutes ago, Red White and Blue said:

But we all pay less for oranges.  

My neighbor has tangelo trees that hang over my fence.  I get all I want for free! 

I mostly just peel them for old fashioneds.  I've read that you can freeze the peels; and also dry slices.  I need to look into doing that before this year's crop is done.   

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Tom is one of those people that were  yelling “yeah but the crusades” after 9/11. 

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4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Tom is one of those people that were  yelling “yeah but the crusades” after 9/11. 

Not only that, he'd also be saying "They paid less for eggs during the Crusades too!"

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11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I was answering a direct question put to me about what countries in history welcomed undocumented immigrants and how it worked out for them. It worked out well, it continues to do so for us. 

I've read a lot of history from that time, living in a border state.  Fascinating stuff.  Also, you are wrong:

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Mexican immigration to the United States was limited before the 1920s, but it was not completely unwelcome. Mexican laborers were needed to work in agriculture and mining, and they were admitted as guest workers during World War I. However, Mexican immigrants faced discrimination and violence. 

 

Before the 1920s 

 

• Migration was limited and mostly short-term
• Mexicans were exempt from some immigration restrictions
• Mexican laborers were needed for agriculture and mining
• Mexican laborers were admitted as guest workers during World War I

 

During the 1920s 

 

• Mexican immigration increased sharply
• The number of legal migrants grew to about 50,000–100,000 per year
• Mexicans faced discrimination and racial violence
• The U.S. economy expanded and attracted Mexican labor

 

Immigration restrictions

In 1924, Congress and President Calvin Coolidge restricted immigration by placing most countries on a quota system. Mexico was excluded from these restrictions. 

 

 

Anti-Latino sentiment

Anti-Latino sentiment grew along with immigration. Latinos were barred from Anglo establishments and segregated into poor areas. 

Mexicans were only welcome as occasional short-term labor.  While it is true that there wasn't a major US federal force manning the border, let's just say that things had a way of... working themselves out back then, without a lot of red tape.

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On 2/14/2025 at 12:06 AM, The Real timschochet said:

If we gave them legal status they would be able to buy insurance and YOUR insurance would actually go down. 

holy fock batman. Or don't allow them to be here and your insurance won't go up.  It is absolutely true that illegal immigrants (or anyone) who are not insured, cause all of our rates to go up. 

If we just gave every illegal immigrant legal status, as you want , rates would only go down in the sense that they would reverse back to "normal"

 

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

The main reason that many choose not to do it is because they are terrified of becoming part of the system. They don’t want to be noticed. So they stay in the shadows, pay everything in cash, and avoid all government if they can. 

why don't they want to be part of the system?  

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9 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I've read a lot of history from that time, living in a border state.  Fascinating stuff.  Also, you are wrong:

Mexicans were only welcome as occasional short-term labor.  While it is true that there wasn't a major US federal force manning the border, let's just say that things had a way of... working themselves out back then, without a lot of red tape.

You keep trying to limit the discussion to what was legal or illegal. I am discussing what was actually happening. 

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2 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

why don't they want to be part of the system?  

Because they fear deportation. 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

6 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

holy fock batman. Or don't allow them to be here and your insurance won't go up.  It is absolutely true that illegal immigrants (or anyone) who are not insured, cause all of our rates to go up. 

If we just gave every illegal immigrant legal status, as you want , rates would only go down in the sense that they would reverse back to "normal"

 

If we don’t allow them to be here your insurance and mine would go way up. Along with all our other costs. Everything we buy would skyrocket. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Because they fear deportation. 

why would they fear deportation? is it because they are here illegally? 

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Just now, WhiteWonder said:

why would they fear deportation? is it because they are here illegally? 

Because they don’t have documents, yes. 

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

If we don’t allow them to be here your insurance and mine would go way up. Along with all our other costs. Everything we buy would skyrocket. 

Explain to me, in detail, how our auto insurance would go up without illegal immigrants being here in the country operating motor vehicles with no insurance.  It's a subject I am very familiar with so I look forward to your answer. 

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You keep trying to limit the discussion to what was legal or illegal. I am discussing what was actually happening. 

No, we were talking about your assertion that American policy was to welcome them.  It wasn't.

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1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

No, we were talking about your assertion that American policy was to welcome them.  It wasn't.

I didn’t use the word welcome, I used the word allow. I WISH it was welcome but it never has been. 

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3 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Explain to me, in detail, how our auto insurance would go up without illegal immigrants being here in the country operating motor vehicles with no insurance.  It's a subject I am very familiar with so I look forward to your answer. 

Al prices would go up as a result of grocery prices going up. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I didn’t use the word welcome, I used the word allow. I WISH it was welcome but it never has been. 

I addressed "allow," which you seem to mean we didn't have a wall or a large force preventing it.  But people were sent back or, let's say, strongly encouraged to go back.  There wasn't a wide open kumbaya where Mexicans came over and settled whenever or wherever they wanted.  Local authorities saw to that.

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7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Al prices would go up as a result of grocery prices going up. 

.  great detail.  Thanks for trying.   

You can stick with regurgitating what your msm tells you 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

I wonder what Tim’s thoughts on Caesar Chavez, hero of the left, are? Was he a racist as well? 

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1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

No you don't.  You never had those and this is the problem with liberals like you:  You think you're on the moral high ground.  You're not.  Not even close.

America voted to bring those back - you and your side eradicated them with your extremist views.

You think trump is a moral person?

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15 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I wonder what Tim’s thoughts on Caesar Chavez, hero of the left, are? Was he a racist as well? 

Nope. He was a great hero of labor. But he was also a socialist who didn’t understand economic reality, and his anti-immigration and trade views were a result of that non understanding. A complicated figure, much to be admire about him, but wrong about many things, much like other socialists like Bernie and AOC. 

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Nope. He was a great hero of labor. But he was also a socialist who didn’t understand economic reality, and his anti-immigration and trade views were a result of that non understanding. A complicated figure, much to be admire about him, but wrong about many things, much like other socialists like Bernie and AOC. 

Yeah, he couldn’t grasp why illegals doing the same work as the people he represented for less money was actually a good thing for everyone. It’s a tough concept to understand.  

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1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Imagine going back over 100 years to make a point?  When the border was patrolled by a few men on horses and millions weren’t trying to get in? And half this country didn’t attend school past the 8th grade? Real Tim is the kind of guy you tune out IRL when he starts spouting irrelevant garbage but thinks he’s making a point.  

A blowhard is going to blowhard. Even in deranged California I bet his friends & family rolls their eyes whenever he gets started 

[HellToupee 1,776]

This thread is a testament of Tim’s innate ability to make a thread about him

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

16 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

This thread is a testament of Tim’s innate ability to make a thread about him

Or perhaps it’s a testament to you and others making it about me? You’re the one who always wants to bring up my personal life and psychoanalyze me. Me, I just talk about the issues.