He who saves his Country does not violate any law

[Gepetto 1,285]

Why would anyone support our country going in debt. We could end up like Greece. Thankfully Trump was elected and is working on fixing it.

[TrailGuy 552]

1 minute ago, Gepetto said:

Why would anyone support our country going in debt. We could end up like Greece. Thankfully Trump was elected and is working on fixing it.

Trump added more debt than any other president in history.  He has already proposed another $4T in debt.

Stop with the lie that he's trying to eliminate debt.  You cannot be this dumb.

[nobody 2,557]

No sane person wants Trump as a dictator.  Yes, I know some of you wouldn't mind it.  You are not sane people.

But the quote has no context, so before you can start going off on Trump being a dictator, you must first show that he intends to be a dictator.

He's being influenced by Musk.  I've studied Musk to an extent.  Like many effective founders, he doesn't let useless bureaucracy and useless process stand in the way of his goals.  It's the "fail fast" mentality that everyone says they support, but then when it comes time to fail fast, they balk at taking risks.  In fact, that's why SpaceX was able to do what they do.  Boeing and other government contractors follow every stupid process the government says to.  SpaceX was like, "nah, that's stupid.  We're not doing that," and it saved them billions in development and years in schedule.

There is good and bad to fail fast. 

The good is that you can iterate quickly to find solutions and fix things.

The bad is that unless you have good people involved, fail fast becomes fail always and in catastrophic ways.  For the record, we don't have good people involved in government.

The bureaucracy and process is there to help ensure checks and balances, and also to avoid large mistakes.  However, like most bureaucracy and process, eventually people forget the point of the process is to help achieve a goal in some efficient, repeatable, and robust way. 

That sounds stupid, right?  Like what does that even mean - people forget the point of the process?  Well people who have no vision (which is most people) and people who don't understand the big picture (which is most people) and people who can't think critically (which is most people) will fall into the trap of treating the bureaucracy and process like it's the job, and they won't treat it for what it is... a means to achieve some goal. 

We are currently at that point.  So the point is this

1. We need the bureaucracy and process because our worst and dumbest are executing policy.  However, for this situation where Musk is accessing data, it can be assumed his team is highly capable.  Therfore, let them keep doing what they are doing.
2. Musk is only passing through, so policy recommendations from his team must be filtered through a lens of having the dumbest people in the country executing the plans.
3. And, yes, the office of the president should not be making sweeping changes without the healthy observance of checks and balances.  This includes involving lawmakers and courts where necessary.

[nobody 2,557]

1 minute ago, TrailGuy said:

Trump added more debt than any other president in history. 

Covid dummy.

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

44 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

You can't resist federal policy.  You may not actively "help" them, but you can't actively fight against it and provide information for others to elude them either (that's called aiding and abetting), other than in the courts.

If it's not listed as a Federal Policy, then only do States rights take over. 

Well you can. It’s just illegal. I approve of breaking the law if I believe the law to be immoral. That’s pretty rare but it applies to this case IMO. 

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

7 minutes ago, nobody said:

No sane person wants Trump as a dictator.  Yes, I know some of you wouldn't mind it.  You are not sane people.

But the quote has no context, so before you can start going off on Trump being a dictator, you must first show that he intends to be a dictator.

He's being influenced by Musk.  I've studied Musk to an extent.  Like many effective founders, he doesn't let useless bureaucracy and useless process stand in the way of his goals.  It's the "fail fast" mentality that everyone says they support, but then when it comes time to fail fast, they balk at taking risks.  In fact, that's why SpaceX was able to do what they do.  Boeing and other government contractors follow every stupid process the government says to.  SpaceX was like, "nah, that's stupid.  We're not doing that," and it saved them billions in development and years in schedule.

There is good and bad to fail fast. 

The good is that you can iterate quickly to find solutions and fix things.

The bad is that unless you have good people involved, fail fast becomes fail always and in catastrophic ways.  For the record, we don't have good people involved.

The bureaucracy and process is there to help ensure checks and balances, and also to avoid large mistakes.  However, like most bureaucracy and process, eventually people forget the point of the process is to help achieve a goal in some efficient, repeatedly, and robust way. 

That sounds stupid, right?  Like what does that even mean - people forget the point of the process?  Well people who have no vision (which is most people) and people who don't understand the big picture (which is most people) and people who can't think critically (which is most people) will fall into the trap of treating the bureaucracy and process like it's the job, and they won't treat it for what it is... a means to achieve some goal. 

We are currently at that point.  So the point is this

1. We need the bureaucracy and process because our worst and dumbest are executing policy.  However, for this situation where Musk is accessing data, it can be assumed his team is highly capable.  Therfore, let them keep doing what they are doing.
2. Musk is only passing through, so policy recommendations from his team must be filtered through a lens of having the dumbest people in the country executing the plans.
3. And, yes, the office of the president should not be making sweeping changes without the healthy observance of checks and balances.  This includes involving lawmakers and courts where necessary.

These are all very reasonable points. I normally disagree with a lot of your posts but I agree with you here. 

[lod001 1,344]

4 hours ago, TrailGuy said:

We're rocketing toward an autocracy at lightning speed! 

We all certainly hope so because you retards have focked everything up so badly the last 4 years, you should never be allowed to hold power again.

[TrailGuy 552]

21 minutes ago, nobody said:

Covid dummy.

Trump increased the deficit every year he was in office.  Covid is not an excuse.

[nobody 2,557]

Yes, it very much is an excuse.

[CaptainObvious1 322]

23 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well you can. It’s just illegal. I approve of breaking the law if I believe the law to be immoral. That’s pretty rare but it applies to this case IMO. 

Great people should commit crimes based on their morals.  Idiot

[Patented Phil 1,469]

4 hours ago, TrailGuy said:

We're rocketing toward an autocracy at lightning speed! 

You need a hobby, boyo.  I’m worried about you.  Pickleball maybe?

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

Just now, CaptainObvious1 said:

Great people should commit crimes based on their morals.  Idiot

Actually feel free to call me an idiot but I didn’t come up with this concept. It was the United States at the Nuremberg trials who developed the legal notion that individuals not only have the right but the DUTY to disobey laws they regard as immoral. Of course they didn’t originate that idea either; it came first from our Founding Fathers and then from the abolitionist movement. 

So if believing in this principle makes me an idiot then I’m pretty proud to be one. 

[TrailGuy 552]

14 minutes ago, nobody said:

Yes, it very much is an excuse.

Well congrats you lost the ability to think for yourself.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Actually feel free to call me an idiot but I didn’t come up with this concept. It was the United States at the Nuremberg trials who developed the legal notion that individuals not only have the right but the DUTY to disobey laws they regard as immoral. Of course they didn’t originate that idea either; it came first from our Founding Fathers and then from the abolitionist movement. 

So if believing in this principle makes me an idiot then I’m pretty proud to be one. 

This is how late-term abortion doctors get murdered.  Probably best to stay focused on actual written laws and not how each person subjectively evaluates those laws against their “morals”.

[The Real timschochet 6,391]

Just now, Patented Phil said:

This is how late-term abortion doctors get murdered.  Probably best to stay focused on actual written laws and not how each person subjectively evaluates those laws against their “morals”.

Refusing to obey a law is not the same as committing violence against others. I reject your comparison 

[weepaws 3,150]

4 hours ago, TrailGuy said:

We're rocketing toward an autocracy at lightning speed! 

Let’s get this straight, it’s the governments agenda.  No matter which side.   Fools.  

[Tebok 285]

49 minutes ago, nobody said:

No sane person wants Trump as a dictator.  Yes, I know some of you wouldn't mind it.  You are not sane people.

But the quote has no context, so before you can start going off on Trump being a dictator, you must first show that he intends to be a dictator.

He's being influenced by Musk.  I've studied Musk to an extent.  Like many effective founders, he doesn't let useless bureaucracy and useless process stand in the way of his goals.  It's the "fail fast" mentality that everyone says they support, but then when it comes time to fail fast, they balk at taking risks.  In fact, that's why SpaceX was able to do what they do.  Boeing and other government contractors follow every stupid process the government says to.  SpaceX was like, "nah, that's stupid.  We're not doing that," and it saved them billions in development and years in schedule.

There is good and bad to fail fast. 

The good is that you can iterate quickly to find solutions and fix things.

The bad is that unless you have good people involved, fail fast becomes fail always and in catastrophic ways.  For the record, we don't have good people involved in government.

The bureaucracy and process is there to help ensure checks and balances, and also to avoid large mistakes.  However, like most bureaucracy and process, eventually people forget the point of the process is to help achieve a goal in some efficient, repeatable, and robust way. 

That sounds stupid, right?  Like what does that even mean - people forget the point of the process?  Well people who have no vision (which is most people) and people who don't understand the big picture (which is most people) and people who can't think critically (which is most people) will fall into the trap of treating the bureaucracy and process like it's the job, and they won't treat it for what it is... a means to achieve some goal. 

We are currently at that point.  So the point is this

1. We need the bureaucracy and process because our worst and dumbest are executing policy.  However, for this situation where Musk is accessing data, it can be assumed his team is highly capable.  Therfore, let them keep doing what they are doing.
2. Musk is only passing through, so policy recommendations from his team must be filtered through a lens of having the dumbest people in the country executing the plans.
3. And, yes, the office of the president should not be making sweeping changes without the healthy observance of checks and balances.  This includes involving lawmakers and courts where necessary.

Well stated, but I disagree that there are no "good people involved in government."

Too many babies have been recklessly thrown out with the bathwater. He hasn't been transparent as he said he would be, and the process should have been more thoughtful and surgical so, for example, they're not scaring the crap out of people and having to scramble to hire back people. 

[Horseman 2,353]

15 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

Well congrats you lost the ability to think for yourself.

Where is the wife all day while you "work" from home crying about Trump?

[League Champion 1,896]

6 hours ago, TrailGuy said:

We're rocketing toward an autocracy at lightning speed! 

Because your Party has been put on notice. The fraud and hypocrisy is being exposed by the second. That's what this is really about, isn't it? 

[TrailGuy 552]

11 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Because your Party has been put on notice. The fraud and hypocrisy is being exposed by the second. That's what this is really about, isn't it? 

That's what they want you to believe.  Instead you're witnessing one of the largest grifts in global history 

[League Champion 1,896]

Just now, TrailGuy said:

That's what they want you to believe

Fraud denier! 

[weepaws 3,150]

12 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Because your Party has been put on notice. The fraud and hypocrisy is being exposed by the second. That's what this is really about, isn't it? 

Foolish talk, it’s one team.  Simply hidden in plain sight.   And people are to blind to seeing the truth.  Indeed 

[League Champion 1,896]

Just now, weepaws said:

Foolish talk, it’s one team.  Simply hidden in plain sight.   And people are to blind to seeing the truth.  Indeed 

Confucious says what? 

[weepaws 3,150]

23 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Confucious says what? 

It says you like lies.  Indeed 

[League Champion 1,896]

1 minute ago, weepaws said:

It says you like lies.  Indeed 

Not true at all. I like blonde chicks with nice juggs and round assses. 

[weepaws 3,150]

1 hour ago, League Champion said:

Not true at all. I like blonde chicks with nice juggs and round assses. 

You have some disgusting dreams about trump.  That’s just gross.  

[League Champion 1,896]

1 minute ago, weepaws said:

You have some disgusting dreams about trump.  That’s just gross.  

You like Pastors and Tranny Flags 

[weepaws 3,150]

3 minutes ago, League Champion said:

You like Pastors and Tranny Flags 

More disgusting dreams you have, gross man, dummy up, stop living on Epstein island.   

[League Champion 1,896]

1 minute ago, weepaws said:

More disgusting dreams you have, gross man, dummy up, stop living on Epstein island.   

I don't live there, I just visited 100+ times 

[weepaws 3,150]

Just now, League Champion said:

I don't like there, I just visited 100+ times 

Of course you did Pedro man.  Hopefully you do not have children.  

[League Champion 1,896]

1 minute ago, weepaws said:

Of course you did Pedro man.  Hopefully you do not have children.  

I might have a few after visiting the island, who knows?